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Three games left. Most pleasantly surprising Jay stat in 2006?

Molina 19 homers 8 (4.49%)
Johnson .319 BA 48 (26.97%)
Hill 27 doubles 4 (2.25%)
Ryan 0.87 WHIP 19 (10.67%)
Halladay 220 IP 3 (1.69%)
Lilly 15 wins 19 (10.67%)
League 2.53 ERA 64 (35.96%)
Other (specify) 13 (7.30%)
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Rob - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#156251) #
I almost voted for League, but I went with "Other: Overbay, 69 extra-base hits". Before 2006, he averaged 57 per year. It's mostly his doubles, though.
Mick Doherty - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#156252) #

That's funny Rob -- I almost included that as one of the options, but without looking up his historical stats, decided 70 or so XBH really wasn't a "surprise" from Overbay. Guess I was wrong!

js_magloire - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#156253) #
Other: Rios 17 homeruns, a total that could have been much bigger with a clean slate of health.
Anders - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 05:57 PM EDT (#156254) #
Alex Rios, .860 OPS?
Troy Glaus, 37 HR?
Lyle Overbay, 46 doubles?

I think these accomplishments rank up there too, although I really love Brandon League.

Brandon League fun fact of the day: League has allowed only 16 fly balls in 42.2 innings

Jonny German - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 06:05 PM EDT (#156255) #
Other:  Johnson 869 OPS

Also surprising, to me:

Rios 859 OPS
Zaun 470 SLG
Downs 4.16 ERA
Tallet 3.98 ERA
Hinske 865 OPS

And also notable: Catalanotto 429 AB. Is it time to drop the injury-prone tag?

Jonny German - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#156257) #
For interest's sake, here's the PECOTA prediction from BP2006 for each:


Actual
PECOTA
Molina 19 HR 9
Johnson .319 AVG .264
Hill 27 2B 27
Ryan 0.87 WHIP 1.12
Halladay 220 IP 184
Lilly 15 W 8
League 2.53 ERA 5.53




Overbay 69 XBH 52
Overbay 46 2B 32
Rios 859 OPS 755
Rios 17 HR 11
Johnson 869 OPS 702
Zaun .470 SLG .382
Downs 4.16 ERA 4.95
Tallet 3.98 ERA 5.51
Hinske 865 OPS 765

Mike Green - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 06:32 PM EDT (#156259) #
Like Jonny, I voted "Other" for Reed Johnson's OPS.  I thought that he'd beat the PECOTA, but nothing like that.
js_magloire - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#156261) #
PECOTA is the biggest garbage model there is.
jjdynomite - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#156262) #
Other: Alexis, for the reasons js_magloire (homers) and Anders (OPS) mentioned.  It is very surprising he is not on this list.   None of the position players on this list were All Stars.  And Rios was a deserving All Star, unlike Ted of 2004 and Hilly of 2005, and, one could even argue, Mighty Troy of 2006.
Jonny German - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#156265) #
PECOTA is the biggest garbage model there is.

And by that you mean.... what?

If you're saying it produces a lot of predictions that an astute fan can spot as highly unlikely, I agree. But it is an entirely objective system, and is one of if not the best of its kind. Maybe you just don't like its kind.

I'm actually not a huge fan of it myself, mostly because I think Baseball Prospectus severely oversells its capabilities.
js_magloire - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#156266) #
Well I mean exactly what you said. But what other "kinds" are like it? I know its an objective model, but it seems both retrospective and inaccurate for predicting the future, because of both the historical comparisons aren't eras very very different), and it seems like I'd be better off looking at the yearly average of a player on baseballreference.com, which is what I do.

I'm suspicious of expected standings too, because it averages theortically what would happen. Wouldn't it be more accurate HERE to use how historical seasons have played out (kind of like win expectancy), or maybe I just understand the stat wrong.

But I like VORP, WARP, EQA and other of there main stats.

greenfrog - Friday, September 29 2006 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#156267) #
I picked Reed (no one could have predicted a .319 BA).

But now that I think about it, I'm voting for Rios making the all-star team. Is that a stat?


actionjackson - Saturday, September 30 2006 @ 01:48 AM EDT (#156271) #
League, because it seems like every time he comes in with a man on 1st, there's a double play coming up in short order, and his control is back. His effortlessness is beautiful to watch.
Twilight - Saturday, September 30 2006 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#156273) #
My vote went to League. I have always enjoyed watching him pitch, with the unorthodox delivery, high velocity, and of course the wicked shades. Always thought he had top notch stuff and that it was a shame he couldn't command a little bit better. Well, I guess it's come to him now, and I'm pleased that he has made it and can be a key member of the bullpen in 2007.

I do have to say though that after the first month and a half of play, I was worried about Hill. Guess not...

Pepper Moffatt - Saturday, September 30 2006 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#156275) #
I don't think Ted Lilly is too surprising, given that he's had 3 consecutive 10+ win seasons before this year.

Both Lilly and Burnett have career 59-58 records, though Lilly is almost exactly 1 year older.

Jdog - Saturday, September 30 2006 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#156277) #

I voted Other.

John Macdonald

3 Hr's ..including a grand salami

VBF - Saturday, September 30 2006 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#156278) #

At the last game of the season, the video board did a Top 10 Moments of 2006. Perhaps NFH or JBrum or whomever else was here Monday could fill in the blanks, but some of them I recall:

  • 10: Can't remember
  • 9: JMac's Fielding Percentage
  • 8: Can't Remember
  • 7: Overbay's 69 XBH
  • 6: Can't Remember
  • 5: BJ Ryan's 37+ saves
  • 4: Vernon's Three Homer Game
  • 3: Can't Remember
  • 2: Vernon's 10th inning homer against Rivera
  • 1: The Fans (cheesy, but oh well. It was Fan Appreciation Day after all)

 

I'm nothing that even resembles an expert on anything, much less PECOTA, but it would seem like PECOTA would be a useful tool in identifying established Major Leaguers probable statistics, like a Tigers fan would use it to forecast Kenny Rogers' statistics this year. It probably wouldn't tell us a heck of alot if we wanted to know what Rios, or League, or even Overbay would do this year. That's for the baseball gods to decide. So in that sense, I'm not shocked that alot of players didn't resemble their projections at all.

Magpie - Saturday, September 30 2006 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#156279) #
I was there, VBF, and while I missed the very first one (coming back from fetching a drink, I believe), I do happen to remember the other three that have Slipped Your Mind:

8 - Bengie Molina's triple
6 - Roy Halladay, 16-5, 3.19
3 - Aaron Hill's walkoff HR against Tampa

ayjackson - Saturday, September 30 2006 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#156281) #

didn't Benji have an infield hit in the same game he had a triple?

I voted for Brandon, but as for other surprising stats - I am astonished every time Tallet throws a strike....I'm not sure how he does it, and I think he's a surprised as me (though he hides it well).  Seriously, seeing his ERA under 4.00 is astounding.

On a side note, I get the impression that when Gibby pulls a lefty starter early in a game (like last night), he tends to go for a lefty reliever, instead of putting a righty in.  I would prefer a righty because early in a game, the opposing manager is less likely to reverse his platoons and waste his bench.  Is there any logic to this?  Has anybody else noticed?

And while we're on the subject, is Janssen shut down?  Thought he'd be in the long-relief mix.

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