Fine, how about this? What career "counting stat" record would you most enjoy seeing pursued and broken?
Rose - Hits | 48 (24.87%) |
Bonds - Home Runs | 66 (34.20%) |
Aaron - RBI | 5 (2.59%) |
Henderson - SB | 31 (16.06%) |
Jackson - Strikeouts | 3 (1.55%) |
Young - Wins | 22 (11.40%) |
Ryan - Strikeouts Pitched | 13 (6.74%) |
Hoffman - Saves | 0 (0.00%) |
Orosco - Appearances | 1 (0.52%) |
Other (who and what?) | 4 (2.07%) |
193 votes | 11 featured comments
Stolen bases record, the forgotten art of baseball.
Rose just because I can't stand the guy. Might be better if it didn't happen till after he passes on though as we'd probably get tons of exposure of him if someone does approach it.
Cy Young's win total would be a blast to watch someone chase though as it would just be amazing. Think about it - Maddux and Clemens were still over 150 wins away when their careers ended - or to put it another way both still needed to have Roy Halladay's career so far to get close.
Cy Young's win total would be a blast to watch someone chase though as it would just be amazing. Think about it - Maddux and Clemens were still over 150 wins away when their careers ended - or to put it another way both still needed to have Roy Halladay's career so far to get close.
Hits could be broken by Jeter- automatic no.
HR could be a-rod- automatic no.
Srikeouts are fascist, so stolen bases it is. ^ ^
I'm in on Wins as well. As noted above, it would take a rather incredible career to threaten that record. Take every league leading total from the NL from 1985 to 2009 (average of 20.7 wins for 25 years) and you end up with 517 wins, barely over the 511 record. That would be a fun record to watch. How to do it - aside from making regular turns in the rotation, the pitcher should be put into the game if it is tied after the 8th inning, thus maximizing the chances for a cheap win.
If you moved to a tandem starter regime with two pitchers each going 4 innings every 3 games, you'd get a pitcher (the second) with 54 realistic opportunities to win. Still, winning 25-30 games a year, you'd still need to pitch for 20 seasons effectively. This is going to be hard; realistically, it will take a new deadball era for another pitcher to have a shot at Young's record.
Either a new deadball or a team with serious guts to put a 4 man rotation in place with a killer ace (the Jays almost did it with Halladay) or to do to a knuckleballer what was done to Wilbur Wood in the 70's - namely give him 40-50 starts a season and see what happens (5 straight years of 40+ starts peaking at 49 - peaked at 24 wins with ERA+'s over 115 twice). Phil Niekro had 40+ for 77 through 79 with 4 more of 37+ around it (85 wins after that streak with a 99 ERA+ - all post years were in his 40's).
For comparison, Cy Young lasted 22 years. 3 had under 10 wins, one other under 18. The remaining 18 were 18+ wins with 5 years over 30 wins each. His peak for starts was 49. To reach his games started total a guy would need to start 33 games a year (standard 5 man rotation level) for 24 2/3 seasons (arrive at 22, pitch until 47) while averaging 20.4 wins a year for 25 years or 20.7 per 33 starts. For comparison Roger Clemens had 354 wins over 707 starts or 16.5 per 33. Roy during his peak in Toronto (2002 to 2009) averaged 18.0 wins per 33 starts. Randy Johnson's career is 16.6, Greg Maddux 15.8, Sabithia 15.6, ... I suspect the start total could be matched with better health care now but the win total will be extremely hard. To get to 511 wins with a pace of 16.6 wins per 33 starts you'd need to start 1016 games or 33 per year for almost 31 seasons. Shift to 36 starts a year and you are down to 28.2 years (20 years old into majors, last until 49 at 18.1 wins per year). Not an easy thing to do.
Note: for above comparisons I just took total wins and total starts, didn't take out wins in relief.
For comparison, Cy Young lasted 22 years. 3 had under 10 wins, one other under 18. The remaining 18 were 18+ wins with 5 years over 30 wins each. His peak for starts was 49. To reach his games started total a guy would need to start 33 games a year (standard 5 man rotation level) for 24 2/3 seasons (arrive at 22, pitch until 47) while averaging 20.4 wins a year for 25 years or 20.7 per 33 starts. For comparison Roger Clemens had 354 wins over 707 starts or 16.5 per 33. Roy during his peak in Toronto (2002 to 2009) averaged 18.0 wins per 33 starts. Randy Johnson's career is 16.6, Greg Maddux 15.8, Sabithia 15.6, ... I suspect the start total could be matched with better health care now but the win total will be extremely hard. To get to 511 wins with a pace of 16.6 wins per 33 starts you'd need to start 1016 games or 33 per year for almost 31 seasons. Shift to 36 starts a year and you are down to 28.2 years (20 years old into majors, last until 49 at 18.1 wins per year). Not an easy thing to do.
Note: for above comparisons I just took total wins and total starts, didn't take out wins in relief.
Other. Steve Carlton's balk record. 90. If there's a guy with a pickoff move good enough to justify 91 career balks, I want to see him.
Always the outsider, I voted "other." I'd really enjoy seeing any record challenged. I like the excitement of the race.
Originally, I voted for Cy Young's wins record, but in retrospect, I think we would all enjoy someone coming close to Cy Young's loss record a whole lot more.
For career losses Nolan Ryan came close. 292 vs Young's 316 - just 24 away or about 2 more full time seasons. Phil Niekro also came close with 274. Pud Glavin had the record with 310 pre-Young but Young's 9 losses in his final season gave him the record.
Wahoo Sam Crawford hit 309 triples. Johnny Damon and Jimmy Rollins lead all active players with 95; Carl Crawford has 92.