Looking ahead to '08: which iconic '80s OF most deserves Hall of Fame induction?
8-time All-Star Andre Dawson (1 MVP) | 56 (28.87%) |
7-time All-Star Tim Raines | 112 (57.73%) |
8-time All-Star Jim Rice (1 MVP) | 26 (13.40%) |
I put Raines far ahead personally. Just using stats from Baseball-Reference.com
Lifetime - Avg/OBP/Slg Hits/HR/RBI Runs scored OPS+ SB-CS
Dawson - 279/323/482 2774/438/1591 1373 119 314-109
Rice - 298/352/502 2452/382/1451 1249 128 58-34
Raines - 294/385/425 2605/170/980 1571 123 808-146
Take note on how via OBP Raines is far ahead, but trails in Slg. That is what is going to kill him next year. Voters will talk about Rice and his power, Dawson and his power but ignore Raines and his walking/stolen bases.
Raines was amazing, expecially in his prime. Stole more than 5 bases per time caught (Dawson just under 3-1, still good but not Raines level, Rickey stole 4.2 vs Raines 5.5 bases per time caught, Lou Brock just 3.1 per time caught). In his peak there was no one else I'd rather have in the 80's, he would beat you via the bases, the long ball, the timely hit, you name it. Despite not being in the playoffs during his prime he still hit 270/340/349 vs Rice 225/312/366 and Dawson 186/238/237 (ugh).
If Rice or Dawson gets in while Raines is forgotten (which is what I fear next year) it would be one of the worst HOF votes ever. I sadly fear Raines getting such a low vote that he ends up being removed from the ballot or put into the Dale Murphy/Dave Parker category (i.e.: always there but never even close).
I don't think many will even think twice about Raines, since he peaked at a severely offensively depressed time (early 80's), in the worst place possible (Montreal) to gain attention. When he gets 30-40% of the vote (just a guess), the next year, a bunch of voters might start looking at him more seriously.
but he admitted to using it during games, and actually slide on his stomach so he wouldn't break the vials in his back pocket.
He was an admitted cocaine user, yes, but this specifically sounds highly dubious. What is the source of this?
I didn't put a specific link in in because it's general knowledge but it's here half-way through this article by Jerry Crasnick:
During the Pittsburgh drug trials in the early 1980s, Raines testified that he kept a gram of coke in his uniform pocket, snorted during games, and made a point of sliding head-first so as not to break the vial.
Thanks for the link. If I ever knew the gory Raines details, I'm sure I've long ago forgotten.
You don't see it now, but back in the day it was normal to see the circular shape of chewing tobbaco containers in players' back pockets. Perhaps astute fans in the 80's would have noticed the outline of a small tube. What would it be these days? The outline of syringe? A grandy jury indictment? The deed for your new Carribean island courtesy of your newly inked $50M contract?
It's the difference between Ross Rebigliati and Ben Johnson.
Anyway, on the topic of the poll, I don't think Raines runs away with it, as Rice and Dawson were very good players, but Raines was slightly better. That slight bit between them appears to me to be the difference between a HoF career and not. If Rice and Dawson made it into the Hall, it wouldn't bother me that much. At this point, I don't think much about the HoF would bother me (election procedure is farcical) though.
Anyway there's a nice piece by Jeff Blair though about Alomar's future Hall bid and it's good to hear that he'll be inducted into the Level of Excellence. Hopefully they announce the date soon.