Given the Mitchell Report, gotta ask -- Roger Clemens, Hall of Famer?
| Duh! Of course! |  90 (39.65%) |
| Yes, but make him wait a year or two | 43 (18.94%) |
| He'll probably get in but shouldn't | 30 (13.22%) |
| No way, ever! | 23 (10.13%) |
| Need more time/information | 41 (18.06%) |
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I Chickened out and said "need more info." The truth is, unlike Andy Pettitte who says he took HGH to recover from injury... Clemens is being accused of being a serial abuser. After his last two years in Boston I thought he was basically done as an elite pitcher. I was pleasantly surprised that he did so fantastically well in his two years in TO. Now, I'm confused and upset. Later, I'll know more about what Roger did and more about how I feel about it.
The evidence in the Mitchell report indicates that Clemens' usage began in 1998. He had a historically great season in Toronto in 1997.
Clemens, Bonds etc---Should get into the Hall of Fame but they should have to wait at least 10 years after their retirement.
They need to open a special area of the HoF for the players from the Steroid ERA... just stick everyone from the last 20 years into this space and visitors can then make up their minds...
Something like this might also help solve the problem as I'm of the feeling that its the silence of the team-mates that helps this kind of cheating to occur. If a clean teammate realised that their own achievements would be tarnished by association then perhaps it might help to break up this 'locker room silence' mentality and make it harder for cheats to prosper.
So empty a room, stick a big asterix on the door and create an homage to Bonds, Clemens, Tejada, Canseco etc... no reason not to give them admittance to the hall, but lets not pretend we're dealing with angels here.
Something like this might also help solve the problem as I'm of the feeling that its the silence of the team-mates that helps this kind of cheating to occur. If a clean teammate realised that their own achievements would be tarnished by association then perhaps it might help to break up this 'locker room silence' mentality and make it harder for cheats to prosper.
So empty a room, stick a big asterix on the door and create an homage to Bonds, Clemens, Tejada, Canseco etc... no reason not to give them admittance to the hall, but lets not pretend we're dealing with angels here.
Steroids, HGH, etc. will all be forgotten in 10-20 years as other methods appear (medical augmentation is just around the corner if it isn't here already with genetic manipulation in the womb to produce sports stars close behind).
I strongly suspect future generations will look at these as being as minor as we see the 'uppers' and 'greenies' of the 60's as being, and as the people of the 80's saw the pro status of Olympic athletes being irrelevent vs those of the 20's who kicked guys out over it.
Standards change and new outrages will always occur. Lately I'm reminded of it each time I turn on the radio to AM640 as they go on and on about how 'those people' are pushing to remove Christ from Christmas - something that people have yakked about on talk radio since the 80's at least.
I strongly suspect future generations will look at these as being as minor as we see the 'uppers' and 'greenies' of the 60's as being, and as the people of the 80's saw the pro status of Olympic athletes being irrelevent vs those of the 20's who kicked guys out over it.
Standards change and new outrages will always occur. Lately I'm reminded of it each time I turn on the radio to AM640 as they go on and on about how 'those people' are pushing to remove Christ from Christmas - something that people have yakked about on talk radio since the 80's at least.
You can lump it all under "cheating". An old prof of mine used to say that if he couldn't explain it to his 11 year old daughter, it wasn't worth much. "Cheating" falls easily within the category of things that an 11 year old can understand.