Bonds indicted! Your first reaction?
It's about time. | 45 (25.00%) |
No big deal, nothing will come of it. | 16 (8.89%) |
Prison time is coming. | 14 (7.78%) |
Barry -- no Hall for you! | 14 (7.78%) |
Wayyy too much attention to this. | 26 (14.44%) |
Waste of government resources. | 47 (26.11%) |
Yawwwwn. | 13 (7.22%) |
Other (what?) | 5 (2.78%) |
It's possible this wil end Bonds' career, and leave a great debate for future generations of baseball fans, the ever popular What if... game (see: Ted Williams, Willie Mays). If Rodriguez, or Pujols, or someone else, ends up 10-50 HRs past Bonds, will people be arguing "yeah, but if ... hadn't happened" for Bonds in 30 years?
First of all I have to confess - I've never been normal. 25 years as a professional "dispute resolutionist" in various business guises has warped me to the point where I can appreciate so many sides of each argument that I can be incoherent.
I, at the time I started to write this, am the only "other" vote.
IMO Bonds was a HOFer before the clear, the juice, the needles, the pills and the long descent into chaos. Bonds was a GREAT player, an obnoxious odious human, but a GREAT player. Then along came Canseco, McGwire, Lansford, Giambi etc. all-juiced, all-white and all-forgiven. SO - Bonds juices and not surprising becomes as good or better juiced as they were, makes sense since he was better than them before juice so he should be better after juicing.
SO, now the only big time BLACK in the gig is going to jail for up to 30 years for lying about it and McGwire says to HIS government when subpoenaed "I'm not here to talk about the past." I might feel a little better if I wasn't disgusted by the oppressive racism south of the border, I might feel a little better if I had more respect for a criminal justice system that MURDERS murderers on a state lottery system.
The truth is I feel sick to my stomach. Bonds, in his run to the big hit has acted with more class and dignity than the rest of them put together. Now, like Martha Stewart before him, he'll go to jail for "lying" while a dysfunctional country winks as the Blackwater Gang murderers slaughter 14 innocents.
I told you I wans't normal. Bonds, here's one vote for you. Baseball's a game man. Baseball's a game.
McGwire was forgiven? Canseco is white? I still hate Giambi... But more seriously, I do see your point about it being Bonds getting hit for this while other, far worse, crimes are being ignored. I just don't see how other crimes going unprosecuted justifies letting Bonds slide on his [alleged] crimes. If he actually gets 30 years in prison for it, that would be a travesty, but a bit of jail time seems deserved to me. Bonds didn't act classy for the grand jury; Giambi had the personal integrity, at least, to admit to what he was doing when faced with possible consequences. So did other players, apparently. Mind you, this is the bottom scum of the integrity barrel (tell the truth or go to jail), and it didn't raise my opinion of anyone when I heard they had admitted their use. But Bonds lied, and pretty boldly lied at that. Bonds may have acted better in the public eye, but he tried to avoid even he most basic personal responsibility for his actions when he had a chance under oath.
The institutional racism is the US (and don't kid yourselves Canada, it's here too) did cross my mind many times when I wrote my first comment, I just wasn't sure if it merited mention here. McGwire's shameful act in front of congress was almost as bad, and could quickly have reached the perjury level if the representatives had the courage to push it that far. Palmeiro perjured himself with his testimony (or so it appears), and was let go without consequences. But outsiders testifying for congress have a long and distinguished history of lying and avoiding the facts (lobbyists, boutgh and paid for 'scientists', industry executives); I'm not aware of anyone being brought up on charges for it.
It's not a simple issue, when looked at in a larger context. I just choose not to do that all the time. Sometimes lying to the grand jury is just lying to the grand jury...
No question this is a witch hunt pure and simple. If they were chasing him on taxes or something like that, OK. But for lying about taking drugs? Sheesh. Talk about politicians trying to look good on TV. Guess their next tough stand will be to say they are in favour of the flag or something.
while a dysfunctional country winks as the Blackwater Gang murderers slaughter 14 innocents.
Hear hear. Everyone will talk about Bonds. Everyone will talk about Britney Spears' next public debacle. But most Americans have no idea who Blackwater is.
Just more evidence that Chomsky is right. The entertainment industry is meant to distract the teeming masses, and distracted we are.
A waste of government resources. Bonds hasn't hurt anyone other than himself. We waste far too much time and money putting people behind bars for victimless crimes. The Americans have their priorities wrong. (As do we in Canada to a lesser degree.) They jail people for smoking a joint and have a show trial because some athlete used steroids and lied about it. Who cares?
However, it seems to me that crying racism is the common knee-jerk reaction whenever something like this happens to a minority. First of all, last time I checked, Conseco and Palmeiro were latino. Secondly, correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Giambi, McGwire, nor Conseco lied to the grand jury. Refusing to answer a question that might incriminate you is not an offence. I know Palmeiro stated that he never used steroids, but is there any hard evidence that proves otherwise? The fact that he was caught using steroids after he made that statement and that he was rumoured to have used steroids raises serious suspicion, but does not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did in fact use steroids prior to to making his statement to congress. You can't charge somebody based on suspicion. From what I've read there is real evidence proving that Bonds used steroids. I'm sure that if similar evidence existed that proved that Palmeiro used steroids prior to his statement of denial to congress, he'd be indicted too.
I think it's a waste of time, but I don't think it's motivated by racism.
By and large, I agree with what's been said here. However, I believe it serves the Grand Jury quite well to prosecute high profile people who lie under oath. It is an important legal institution and Bonds showed it little respect. Was he unaware that Balco was raided? No. Was he unaware that they he had given them blood and/or urine samples? Highly unlikely. He told a bold face lie to the Grand Jury to protect himself. He could have at least taken the 5th - this is why it was written. No he lied and obstructed justice to retain some element of doubt as to the obvious amongst the masses.
Sure, there's a witchhunt element here. But, if I'm the Grand Jury, and lying under oath is a day-to-day problem for me, then I'm prosecuting too.
That said, you lie to a grand jury, you go to jail. Just like Scooter.
Hang on....
http://www.edgeofsports.com/2007-08-09-277/index.html
"Because he is an outspoken BLACK man who doesn't bother making small talk with the media. For this he faces jail?"
No. He faces jail for lying to the Federal Grand Jury.
What the heck is with this race card stuff?
Want to know why Bonds is being targetted rather than McGuire, Sosa, Palmero, or Canseco? Because Barry Bonds holds 2 of the greatest records in Baseball. The Single season Homerun record and the All Time Home Run record. Oh and he is still playing the game. Sosa is a minority, he still plays, but because he hasn't accomplished near the amount Bonds has, nor is he in any position to break any more records, he isn't being villified. Anyone who wants to bring up race better have a damned good explaination why Sosa isn't being targetted. He isn't white. It is because of accomplishments.
And Anyone who wants to talk about Giambi? Well he Apologized, and has gone much farther than Barry has with regards to "clearing his name". If Bonds apologized a long time ago, there probably wouldn't be half of the scrutiny that there is now (but still a lot because of his accomplishments).
Anyways, Barry might get Jail time. Who knows. But at the end of the day Selig doesn't have the balls to bar Barry from the Hall, nor should he, because he was a surefire HOFer before the Roids. Just Roids turned him into the greatest player ever. While at the end of the day, this may seem trivial, it's the law. He should be convicted.