Which age-29 through age-32 100+-game winner will end up with the most career wins? (Current age and win total shown.)
Roy Halladay (32, 142) | 151 (47.63%) |
Roy Oswalt (31, 135) | 4 (1.26%) |
Javier Vazquez (32, 134) | 3 (0.95%) |
Mark Buehrle (30, 132) | 41 (12.93%) |
Barry Zito (31, 128) | 2 (0.63%) |
C.C. Sabathia (28, 126) | 95 (29.97%) |
Johan Santana (30, 120) | 18 (5.68%) |
Jon Garland (29, 111) | 3 (0.95%) |
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1) CC
2) Buehrle
3) Roy
Buehrle has never relied on speed, which makes him a really good candidate to get up there in Wins. CC simply has age and the fact that he plays for a really good team - he'll always be able to rack up the wins despite what he does on the diamond.
2) Buehrle
3) Roy
Buehrle has never relied on speed, which makes him a really good candidate to get up there in Wins. CC simply has age and the fact that he plays for a really good team - he'll always be able to rack up the wins despite what he does on the diamond.
3) Roy
Which one? No, seriously, it's obvious who you mean, but I am a little surprised by the 20-0 (current) whitewash of Halladay over Oswalt. I think Oswalt stands a pretty good chance of outwinning Halladay in the end, though I'd be surprised if either outpaces Sabathia, ultimately.
CC has been abused pretty good but he's huge and seems fine on the heavy workload. He'll have Rivera saving his games for a few more years at least then likely another top tier closer. Doc has shown he can be overworked although I don't think he will show it again. Johan is Johan and he's got what 5 more years in the weaker league at least.. It's going to be one of those 3. Oswalt is too fragile, Vazquez and Garland aren't that good. Zito isn't that good anymore. Buehrle wants to retire when his contract is up.
I'm going to go with CC, but I hope its Doc.
I'm going to go with CC, but I hope its Doc.
Buehrle may retire early. I'd hesitate to bet on him, though he certainly has the ability to hang in there awhile if he feels like it.
Sabathia and Halladay are the clear 1-1A for me.
Sabathia and Halladay are the clear 1-1A for me.
Halladay.
Subjectively, whether he remains a Blue Jay or not, I am of the view that he is going to be an effective pitcher into his early 40s. He's a bigger, stronger, nicer Mike Mussina.
Subjectively, whether he remains a Blue Jay or not, I am of the view that he is going to be an effective pitcher into his early 40s. He's a bigger, stronger, nicer Mike Mussina.
I voted for Javier Vazquez just because of his durability, but I could just as easily see it being Johan Santana- who's changeup should allow him to pitch effectively late into his 30's.
I don't think CC's body will hold up, but I said that 4 years ago so we'll see.
Doc will be pitching for a while, and in all likelihood for a better team :(
Barry Zito and Jon Garland have votes and Roy Oswalt is the only candidate with none? Really?
I guess you can defend Zito based on his lefthandedness. Still, I think Oswalt is the better Roy. I know that's sacrilege around here, but hey ...
I guess you can defend Zito based on his lefthandedness. Still, I think Oswalt is the better Roy. I know that's sacrilege around here, but hey ...
Oswalt is a great pitcher, but I would bet against him throwing 180 innings a season in his late 30s. He's also only 3 months younger than Doc. My guess is that if you asked 100 knowledgeable fans outside of Canada and Texas which pitcher they would prefer that their team had over the next 10 years, 90-95 would choose Halladay.
CC ought to be the easy winner given the team he pitches for... although given his body he may break down.
On the other hand, given he's LH he ought to be able to get away with declining velocity as he ages.
On the other hand, given he's LH he ought to be able to get away with declining velocity as he ages.
"CC ought to be the easy winner given the team he pitches for... although given his body he may break down."
He's also only 15 wins behind Halladay and is 3 years younger. That's a pretty easy gap to close.
He's also only 15 wins behind Halladay and is 3 years younger. That's a pretty easy gap to close.
I'll concede that Sabathia is younger.
I'll concede that Halladay has had more significant arm related injuries than Sabathia.
But Halladay is clearly better and always has been. Pitching in a tougher division his entire career he's put up better numbers than Sabathia.
CC has also only thrown 150 innings less than Doc, which is probably about as equally significant as the 3 years younger he is. Because really, what is more important to a pitchers longevity? Obviously age is, but so is (and also obviously) wear and tear on the arm. If Sabathia can pitch effectively to the same age that Doc does, he wins easily, but if he merely just pitches effectively to the same number of total innings... well, then my bet is on Doc.
It will be interesting to see. Doc looks like the better athlete to me.
I'll concede that Halladay has had more significant arm related injuries than Sabathia.
But Halladay is clearly better and always has been. Pitching in a tougher division his entire career he's put up better numbers than Sabathia.
CC has also only thrown 150 innings less than Doc, which is probably about as equally significant as the 3 years younger he is. Because really, what is more important to a pitchers longevity? Obviously age is, but so is (and also obviously) wear and tear on the arm. If Sabathia can pitch effectively to the same age that Doc does, he wins easily, but if he merely just pitches effectively to the same number of total innings... well, then my bet is on Doc.
It will be interesting to see. Doc looks like the better athlete to me.
Spirited debates about Doc and CC are all good fun but seriously...
Garland and Zito got votes??!!?!!?!!?!!?!!!!!!!?!?!!?!???!?!?
Garland and Zito got votes??!!?!!?!!?!!?!!!!!!!?!?!!?!???!?!?
The key question is who do you think will age better. For me the answer is Beurhle and Halladay, and I went with the lefty. CC doesn't keep himself in good shape, and as most of us know, this becomes problematic on the other side of 30.