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One last road series, and then homeward bound. To play out the string.


I want to talk about tonight's starter. You've probably noticed that Jose Berrios has already established a new career high with his 16 Wins. To this point he's also posted a career best 3.44 ERA. This has not been a typical Berrios season, but possibly not for the reasons you might expect. What strikes me is how much this current season has in common with the often ugly results we saw from him in 2022.

In his eight full seasons, since 2017, Berrios has generally been right around the league average in striking out hitters - the MLB average is 22.4% of the hitters, and Berrios' career mark is 22.7%. He's averaged at least 8.5 Ks per 9 innings over his career. This year, however, his K's were all the way down to 7.0 per 9. The only other time he failed to fan at least 8.5 per 9 over a full season was in 2022, when he was down to 7.9 per 9. Those are the only times he's failed to strike out at least 22% of the opposition, being down around 19% on both occasions.

Berrios has also been right around the MLB average in allowing Home Runs - 1.2 per 9 innings, a homer in 3.3% of the Plate Appearances. The two years when he gave up more long balls? That would be 2022 and 2024, iallowing a career high 29 HRs (so far) both times, 3.9% of opposition Plate Appearances..

What's going on?

It's the Balls In Play, of course. Over his career, the opposition has hit .291 on their Balls In Play against Berrios, which is mighty close to the MLB average of .295 over this period. You can probably guess which two years deviate quite sharply from that established level - in 2022, the opposition hit a robust .329 on their Balls In Play, which in combination with the additional Home Runs helped generate that ugly 5.23 ERA. The HRs haven't hurt nearly so much this season when the opposition, for whatever reason, is hitting only .250 on their Balls In Play. Hence the career best ERA.

Another thing. I don't think Berrios is anybody's idea of a true ace. I think he's generally regarded as a quality starting pitcher who always gives his teams a chance to win. And they do. The Blue Jays have  played .632 ball in his 108 starts for Toronto, a figure no one in franchise history even comes close to matching, and I'll bet no one even suspected that to be the case. But there have been 32 pitchers who have started 75 games for the Blue Jays, and here is how the team has fared in each man's starts:

Pitcher          STARTS   W      L    PCT     Rest of Team
                
Jose Berrios    106    67    39    .632 .521
Doyle Alexander    103    63    40    .612 .573
David Wells    138    83    55    .601 .543
Mark Buehrle    97    58    39    .598 .494
Roy Halladay    287   171   116    .596 .487
Alek Manoah    75    44    31    .587 .533
Jimmy Key    250   145   105    .580 .560
A.J. Burnett    80    45    35    .563 .549

Mike Flanagan    76    42    34    .553 .559
Dave Stieb    408   225   183    .551 .501
Kevin Gausman    91    50    41    .549 .527
Brandon Morrow    93    51    42    .548 .488
J.A. Happ    127    69    58    .543 .472
Juan Guzman    195   105    90    .538 .503
Shaun Marcum    95    51    44    .537 .524
Pat Hentgen    238   127   111    .534 .472

John Cerutti    108    57    51    .528 .551
Todd Stottlemyre   175    91    84    .520 .557
Luis Leal    151    78    73    .517 .499
Kelvim Escobar    101    52    49    .515 .520
Marco Estrada    120    61    59    .508 .508
Ricky Romero    127    64    63    .504 .480
Marcus Stroman    129    64    65    .496 .476
Jim Clancy    344   168   176    .488 .471

R.A. Dickey    130    63    67    .485 .533
Ted Lilly    89    43    46    .483 .482
Chris Carpenter    135    63    72    .467 .509
Aaron Sanchez    92    42    50    .457 .496
Josh Towers    89    39    50    .438 .506
Woody Williams    76    33    43    .434 .500
Dave Lemanczyk    82    29    53    .354 .362
Jesse Jefferson    91    32    59    .352 .362

All things are not created equal, which is the point of that final column which gives the team's winning percentage when some other guy was starting. As you can see,. Berrios has pitched for better teams than, say, Roy Halladay did during his Blue Jays career.  But even so, Berrios has risen further above his teams than Doc was able to do, and the fact that they were better teams actually increases the degree of difficulty. The Jays played .521 ball when Berrios wasn't the starter - their winning percentage improved .111 when he took the mound. Halladay comes so close that he essentially matches that performance - teams that played .487 ball behind the other starters improved by .109 when Doc was the starter. Mark Buehrle is the only other starter in the same area code as Berrios and Halladay, although Happ, Hentgen, Morrow, Wells, Manoah and Stieb were also significantly better than the rest of the team. (Woody Williams and Josh Towers were significantly worse; Marco Estrada and Ted Lilly was almost a perfect match.)

I am of course afraid that now I've gone and put a hex on him. All I can say in my defense is that it's 2024, so who cares, anyway?

Matchups

Fri 20 Sep - Berrios (16-9, 3.44) vs TBD
Sat 21 Sep - Rodriguez (1-6, 4.29) vs Bradley (6-11, 4.39)
Sun 22 Sep - Bassitt (10-13, 4.16) vs Baz (3-3, 4.21)

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Ducey - Friday, September 20 2024 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#452775) #
We will see if the curse of the Trop continues.

Continuing the discussion from the last game thread, the bullpen might be fine without many additions.

Keepers:

1. Cabrera
2. Green
3. Swanson (he is pitching much better recently)
4. Little

Maybes:

5. Nance
6. Romano

Some assembly required:
7. Pop
8. Burr
9. Danner
10. Macko

Just a guy - 40 man, but could be on waivers any second:

Robertson
Tate
Ramirez
De Geus
Eisert
Frias
Lucas

AAA roster not on 40 man, some hope:
Schultz
Quinones
Fluharty
Bash
Juenger
Cooke
Pardinho

You might cycle through some of these guys for an upgrade, but I'd only add one or two FA relievers.

You just dont know who is going to be good/ healthy next year.
Glevin - Friday, September 20 2024 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#452777) #
Keepers:

1. Cabrera
2. Green
3. Swanson (he is pitching much better recently)
4. Little


Nothing about Cabrera says keeper. Horrible K/BB ratio, bad underlying numbers, and not improving in second half. (His XFIP has been 4.40-4.90 basically every year of his career). Little too isn't a keeper. He's been not bad but you don't keep a guy who has been not bad for a few innings. Cabrera and Little have combined for -0.9 FWAR. These guys can compete for a spot and Jays can hope they can be more, sure, but these aren't the kind of guys Jays should be having in their bullpen if they want to succeed. (Closest is probably Burr who can at least K some guys). They need to get a closer-type, another 7th/8th inning sort of guy, and some other legitimate options to vie for spots in spring.
soupman - Friday, September 20 2024 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#452778) #
Yimi might be a good guy to bring back. He's been bad since the trade, but was consistently good-great in a Jays uniform for 3 years. He's 33 now, so maybe it's the end of the road, but seems like a reasonable bet and I assume a reunion would be welcome on both sides.

There will be guys - I think this year injuries to the back end really hurt the bullpen. Romano is coming back, Swanson looks better. Green has been good - he's had 3 bad outings, all of them in September. his last few outings have been fine. maybe just shut him down while confidence is back.

I don't think the jays pen repeats as the worst in baseball next year. just as I didn't think it was nearly as good as it was last year.

Romano has been an underrated asset. hopefully he returns to form. he's been great at converting saves, while never looking totally dominant...I definitely under rate him because I always expect the worst, but he comes through. maybe a case of someone that somehow outperforms the underlying predictive metrics...you love to see it...except with the closer that always seems to load the bases to start the inning and then eek out the save by the skin of his teeth. love the result but not the process, I guess.
SK in NJ - Friday, September 20 2024 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#452780) #
"the bullpen might be fine without many additions."


I feel the exact opposite. The team needs to upgrade practically every spot in the pen this winter. Green is the only keeper, and that's only because the Jays have $10.5M reasons to keep him in 2025. The only RP's on the team with a positive WAR this season are Yimi (0.8), Burr (0.2), and Tate (0.1) who has only thrown 1 inning. Literally every other RP they have tried this season is either at 0 or negative WAR. I haven't looked it up, but this might be one of the worst pens in franchise history. It's that bad.

Green, Swanson, and then find upgrades everywhere else, IMO.
Magpie - Friday, September 20 2024 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#452781) #
I haven't looked it up, but this might be one of the worst pens in franchise history.

I'm planning to look it up once the season's over! But I agree - Green and Swanson I feel okay about, solid depth relievers. I hope Romano is back to being himself. And that's about it, going forward.
uglyone - Friday, September 20 2024 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#452782) #
I actually would bet on Romano / Green / Swanson being a solid group of relievers next year again.

But i wouldn't bet the house on it.


the rest of the names.....meh, who knows. all absolute lottery tickets. keep them replace them whatever - probably need a scouting upgrade to start picking out the right arms i dunno.

I think Yariel and Yarborough could give some nice depth to the pen too.



scottt - Friday, September 20 2024 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#452783) #
Since all the free agents are already gone, they will have to drop a few relievers before the rule 5 crush.

There is also a chance that Bo has already played his last game in a Jays uniform.
It all depends on what teams will be offering.
Nigel - Friday, September 20 2024 @ 05:29 PM EDT (#452784) #
Swanson is 30 and has had 5 full or partial MLB seasons of sufficient length to matter. In that span, he's had one year (2022) of being an elite/high leverage reliever, one year (last year) of being a pretty good/medium leverage reliever and three years of being somewhere between ok for low leverage innings and a dumpster fire. I'm not betting on him for next year but he has looked better recently so he'd be in the mix of guys that you throw at the wall to see what sticks.
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