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Vancouver won again and are headed to the playoffs on the back of two wins in a row. Dunedin also ended their season on a high, they won on Sunday for their sixth win in a row. They did not make the playoffs. Vancouver starts their playoff on Tuesday in a best of five, winner take all, series.

Buffalo had a big win with Orelvis back in the lineup. New Hampshire lost, their season cannot end soon enough.



Lehigh Valley 3 Buffalo 9

Portland 8 New Hampshire 5

Eugene 4 Vancouver 8

Dunedin 4 Tampa 2


Three Stars

Third Star - Alan Roden

Second Star - Josh Kasevich

First Star - Yohendrick Pinango


Boxes


NOTES


Orelvis Martinez was back and it helped lengthen the lineup. The Bisons had twelve hits, with seven doubles. Orelvis had two hits, both doubles. Alan Roden and Will Robertson singled and doubled. Josh Kasevich had three hits.


Orelvis played third in this game. It will be interesting to see where he plays over the next two weeks. He had been playing at second before the suspension, but now there are other players ready to play second. He could be ticketed for third depending on whether the Jays think Barger is a third baseman or an eventual replacement for Springer.


Trenton Wallace started. He loaded the bases with no outs in the first inning. He had two baserunners in the second, two more in the third and just one in the fourth. But he held them off the board, so four innings, one run, six K's. The Bisons used four other pitchers including Emmanuel Ramirez who pitched a 1-2-3 seventh and Dillon Tate who hit a batter in the ninth but otherwise got three outs.


Dahian Santos started for New Hampshire and it didn't go well. He walked three of the first four hitters, then a double and a single led to four runs. That was it for Santos. NH got three of those back when Yohendrick Pinango hit his first home run as a Blue Jay. Pinango drove in the fourth and tying run with a ground out. Ryan Jennings took the loss by giving up a run in the seventh and Hunter Gregory gave up three more in the eighth.


The Cats had six hits, Devonte Brown had two.


Pat Gallagher started for Vancouver and gave up back to back jacks in the first inning. The C's scored three in the bottom of the first with two hits, a walk, a hit batter, an error and a wild pitch. The C's added three more in the fourth capped by a two run home run from Marcos De La Rosa and two in the fifth.


Pat Gallagher settled down after conceding in the first inning, he went five innings with just the two home runs on his record.


The C's had eight hits, Jace Bohrofen had a single, double and a walk.


Dunedin scored first, Arjun Nimmala doubled and later scored on an error. The Jays trailed 2-1 in the seventh. Aaron Parker doubled, Eddie Micheletti walked and Brock Tibbets hit a three run home run, his first of the season. That was it for the scoring. The Jays had just four hits. Nimmala had two of them. Nimmala's OPS for the last three months was .881, .871 and .976. He is still 18 years old.


Colby Holcombe started and went three shutout innings. Luis Torres threw the last three innings. He struck out five and has K'd 33 in 24 A level innings. However the lefty threw his changeup almost 50% of the time on Sunday. His next used pitch was his slider, combined he threw them 80% of the time.


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Glevin - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 08:26 AM EDT (#452389) #
Early this year, it looked like 2022 draft was a complete bust but Kasevich looks like a backup of some sort and Roden has starter potential and Barriera is still young enough to turn out to be something.

I had a thought. I was looking at comparing Nimmala to Orelvis. Orelvis didn't play as an 18 YO but as a 19 YO in A, he was quite a bit better. However, because of the shrinking of the minor leagues, is it harder to be good now? The league wiped out 40 teams. That means the quality of the minor leagues, especially the lower minors, should be significantly better. The Jays lost one rookie league team and their A- team so all the top talent that was there would have to be combined with FCL or with Dunedin and the bottom talent just isn't there.
hypobole - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 09:57 AM EDT (#452396) #
On the subject of drafts being complete busts, I was looking at our 2018 draft earlier. The best player thus far by bWAR? Yes, it is Griffin Conine, with 0.3 WAR in his 12 MLB games.
bpoz - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 10:03 AM EDT (#452397) #
IMO every draft requires patience from me. This comment may accurately be interpreted as cherry picking because I am going to give examples of successful picks that have a low pedigree and received absolutely no media praise as well as the Jays themselves had a low opinion of them I think. Maybe some Bauxites thought that they were good but not me.

My examples are Matt Boyd and Kendel Graveman from the 2013 draft. Also D Jansen, T Mayza and R Tellez were picked. But Tellez got a very good signing bonus.
uglyone - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#452408) #
AAA (Age Appropriate = 23)

* X IF Martinez (22): 273pa, 8.8b%, 24.2k%, .296bip, .264avg, .268iso, 122wrc+
* OF Clase (22): 393pa, 12.2b%, 25.7k%, .325bip, .257avg, .186iso, 97wrc+

Orelvis back with a bang. A strong finish will have him back in contention for an mlb spot to start the year but i wouldn't mind starting him back in AAA again until he truly dominates. Clase still doing nothing as a Jay but still has a solid line for his age.

* X IF Jimenez (23): 226pa, 13.3b%, 15.0k%, .300bip, .271avg, .160iso, 131wrc+
* IF Kasevich (23): 121pa, 8.3b%, 14.0k%, .370bip, .321avg, .083iso, 109wrc+

Kasevich keeping it up to his credit over a not insignificant sample now.

* OF Roden (24): 248pa, 11.3b%, 14.1k%, .351bip, .318avg, .182iso, 136wrc+
* X UT Barger (24): 249pa, 16.1b%, 19.3k%, .299bip, .260avg, .206iso, 127wrc+

Roden crushing it. Deserves to be in the bigs more than Barger, Loperfido, Schneider right now.

* X 1B Horwitz (26): 259pa, 17.0b%, 15.8k%, .401bip, .335avg, .179iso, 159wrc+
* X OF Lukes (29): 231pa, 9.5b%, 15.6k%, .378bip, .333avg, .135iso, 131wrc+
* X IF Wagner (25): 355pa, 16.6b%, 10.4k%, .339bip, .315avg, .129iso, 129wrc+
* OF Berroa (25): 275pa, 12.4b%, 24.4k%, .375bip, .297avg, .186so, 129wrc+
* X OF Loperfido (25): 189pa, 11.1b%, 28.0k%, .316bip, .272avg, .296iso, 123wrc+
* X IF DeLosSantos (26): 154pa, 13.6b%, 22.7k%, .310bip, .260avg, .181iso, 116wrc+
* 1B Tirotta (25): 301pa, 14.0b%, 26.9k%, .306bip, .241avg, .193iso, 113wrc+
* X C Serven (29): 159pa, 16.4b%, 28.9k%, .386bip, .265avg, .114iso, 110wrc+

Berroa crushing it since being sent back down, and deserves a look as much as any of these guys.



AA (Age Appropriate = 22)

* IF Paulino (21): 278pa, 10.4b%, 21.6k%, .335bip, .263avg, .128iso, 113wrc+

Paulino did nothing in his brief rehab in dunedin. He could join vancouver for playoffs or come back up to AA to finish the year.

* IF McAdoo (22): 239pa, 10.9b%, 27.2k%, .292bip, .230avg, .187iso, 111wrc+
* IF Dejesus (22): 425pa, 8.2b%, 28.0k%, .357bip, .260avg, .117iso, 104wrc+
* OF Pinango (22): 328pa, 9.8b%, 21.0k%, .256bip, .209avg, .113iso, 84wrc+
* OF Brown (22): 103pa, 3.9b%, 28.2k%, .313bip, .215avg, .086iso, 68wrc+

McAdoo goes cold just when i start to big him up. Hopefully he bounces back a bit. Dejesus a solid enough line (with tools) to keep around imo. Pinango not so much. Dasan is finally starting to hit a bit and might get his line up to respectable before the end of the year.

* OF Schreck (23): 145pa, 13.1%, 23.4k%, .280bip, .231avg, .231iso, 134wrc+
* 1B Nunez (23): 413pa, 10.2b%, 19.9k%, .319bip, .272avg, .142iso, 119wrc+
* X IF Kasevich (23): 393pa, 6.6b%, 10.7k%, .313bip, .284avg, .080iso, 101wrc+

The babip has worn off a bit for Schreck but still a very good line overall. Nunez continues his strong finish.



A+ (Age Appropriate = 21)

* OF Arias (20): 40pa, 15.0b%, 12.5k%, .379bip, .324avg, .029iso, 130wrc+
* IF Coffey (20): 368pa, 11.1b%, 24.5k%, .261bip, .224avg, .190iso, 109wrc+

Arias been injured for a while. Coffey still hasn't done much since the trade but still keeping up a strong line.

* IF Pinto (21): 76pa, 5.3b%, 13.2k%, .316bip, .300avg, .271iso, 154wrc+
* C Deschamps (21): 43pa, 11.6b%, 37.2k%, .333bip, .200avg, .114iso, 99wrc+
* IF Harry (21): 448pa, 8.0b%, 21.7k%, .247bip, .213avg, .154iso, 90wrc+

Pinto keeping a great line even after the babip has fallen off. Deschamps i've decided to add in here because he's had a legit good performance at both A and A+ this year, and while his strikeouts are too high he's a catcher so he gets leeway.

* OF Bohrofen (22): 485pa, 12.4b%, 23.7k%, .318bip, .254avg, .178iso, 126wrc+
* 1B Orf (22): 215pa, 15.3b%, 22.8k%, .305bip, .240avg, .179iso, 120wrc+

Bohorfen finishes the year very strong. Orf too but not quite as much.


A (Age Appropriate = 20)

* IF Nimmala (18): 361pa, 8.3b%, 31.3k%, .301bip, .232avg, .245iso, 121wrc+

Very nice season from Nimmala. Especially since returning from that stint in complex league - 266pa, 28.9k%, .302iso, 149wrc+. I won't ever ignore his weak start to the year, but if that line since returning is a legit improvement then he's moving into top prospect territory.

* OF Joseph (19): 273pa, 7.3b%, 24.5k%, .281bip, .222avg, .134iso, 91wrc+

Injured for a while now. Solid line for his age.

* OF Mitchell (20): 103pa, 6.8b%, 19.4k%, .319bip, .289avg, .178iso, 129wrc+
* C Duran (20): 327pa, 11.9b%, 15.3k%, .293bip, .245avg, .068iso, 97wrc+
* IF Beltre (20): 446pa, 9.6b%, 18.6k%, .287bip, .236avg, .091iso, 96wrc+

Mitchell with a very nice line, even after the babip came back down to earth. He even cleaned up his strikeouts which were high early on.

* C Parker (21): 100pa, 17.0b%, 27.0k%, .286bip, .235avg, .284iso, 154wrc+
* 3B Keys (21): 98pa, 13.3b%, 21.4k%, .365bip, .293avg, .159iso, 134wrc+
* C Deschamps (21): 120pa, 12.5b%, 35.8k%, .368bip, .235avg, .186iso, 119wrc+
* C Tibbitts (21): 91pa, 12.1b%, 13.2k%, .318bip, .282avg, .090iso, 119wrc+
* IF Freethy (21): 76pa, 22.4b%, 23.7k%, .250bip, .182avg, .055iso, 110wrc+

Parker the standout out of this group of slightly overagers, though Keys was coming on strong too. And all of them have good enough lines to be interesting.

* OF Micheletti (22): 90pa, 14.4b%, 15.6k%, .333bip, .292avg, .167iso, 155wrc+
* OF Cunningham (23): 105pa, 18.1b%, 21.9k%, .236bip, .197avg, .118iso, 113wrc+

Micheletti kept up a strong line even as the babip came down. Wouldn't mind seeing him get a late promotion. Cunningham not so much.
bpoz - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#452414) #
Very nice write up UO. I have Roden, Kacevich and Orelvis as my #3,4,5 with Wagner #10 because he is close to losing his prospect status and I wanted to give him some credit. Roden, Kacevich and Orelvis are basically equal to Loperfido, Barger etc... and also D Schneider. So no shortage of competition.

McAdoo and Dasan Brown definitely repeat AA. Bohrofen, Hornung and Peyton Williams will start in AA IMO because they did well enough. Peyton got a walk off hit and C's Plus Baseball got video of it. In the celebration on the field he jumped very high in a shoulder bump with another player so I am hoping that he could be quite acrobatic at 1B.
Kelekin - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#452416) #
"IMO every draft requires patience from me."

Drafts generally take about ten years to really close the book on which makes it understandably hard to be patient. I don't think anyone had DeSclafani and Musgrove pegged to have longer careers than Syndergaard and Sanchez.
Kelekin - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#452417) #
Re: Dunedin lines for the college draftees - while we know first-year stats rarely have any bearing, it was still nice to see nobody falling below the floor. Cunningham wasn't impressive overall, but at least had a near .400 OBP to buoy his wRC+.

Comparing the past few years for college draftees, in A Ball, the year they're drafted, by wRC+, with ages and draft status:

2024
Micheletti Jr 155 (22 - 8th)
Parker 154 (21 - 6th)
Keys 134 (21 - 4th)
Mitchell 129 (20 - 4th)
Tibbitts 119 (21 - 13th)
Cunningham 113 (23 - 10th)
Freethy 110 (21 - 14th)

2023
Bohrofen 189 (21 - 6th)
Orf 127 (21 - 13th)
Arnold 115 (21 - UDFA)
Goodwin 112 (21 - 7th)
McCarty 111 (24 - UDFA)
Barry 48 (21 - 8th)
Hornung 23 (22 -16th)

2022
De. Brown 171 (22 - UDFA)
Doughty 147 (21 - 2nd)
Turconi 127 (23 - 15th)
McCarty 124 (23 - UDFA)
Williams 116 (21 - 7th)
Roden 105 (22 - 3rd)
Rock 103 (23 - 8th)
Kasevich 100 (21 - 2nd)


2023 was pretty poor overall outside of Bohrofen. Orf was my draft sleeper, and while there are some things to like, he's yet to turn his raw power into game power. I was really hoping we'd draft Jeremiah Jenkins, in the same mold as an Orf or Williams (he fell all the way to the Giants in the 14th Round).

I will say, out of the three drafts, this is the first year where I felt they focused more on offensive upside across the board. The biggest thing we lack however is drafting high-risk, high-reward toolsy CF types on the regular. Mitchell is a step in that direction.
GabrielSyme - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#452418) #
Who can forget Devonte Brown mania?

It is interesting that the only two real prospects from those 2022/23 groups are Kasevich and Roden, whose lines are among the least impressive. I guess you don't have to light the world on fire right out of the gate.

If one broadened out the analysis and looked at all college bats in A in their draft year, you could probably get a pretty strong sense of how much information you can glean from those first 100+ plate appearances.
Nigel - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#452419) #
I still hold to the view that I had after about the first third of that year in Vancouver - all of those college players in Vancouver in that year, other than Roden, were uninteresting. Kasevich has the most latitude because of his defensive skills but he's being kept afloat this year on some BABIP luck. He may still have a 5th infielder profile though so that's something I guess.
uglyone - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#452420) #
cool list Kelekin....for me it actually confirms that first year stats do have some bearing...and it definitely confirms to me that we shouldn't give college kids any special leeway in terms of age/level.

There's only 3 topline numbers for overagers in 2022 and 2023 there that stand out as possibly "legit prospect" quality - Bohrofen, Devonte, and Doughty. The rest just aren't good enough to be anything more than borderline interesting for their ages. Orf's is borderline and he's borderline again this year, but given his lack of defensive value he's a longshot.

And when you look at Devonte there's probably too much babip in there to believe in. Bohrofen better in that regard but still not a clean line either...then again he's salvaging his year this year nicely right now so his promising A performance still seems meaningful. Dougthy's line isn't perfect and probably wasn't good enough to be outright "legit" at that point but it was good enough to be interesting so his performance since is definitely dissappointing.

Kasevich looked like nothing much then and I'd still say that's true now. I won't believe in that hitting line until there's more power and less babip.

Roden didn't look like anything then...but with one major exception in his numbers that was likely making them look worse than he was. His .253babip was the lowest of any of these guys and you add 50pts there and he's probably in the 135wrc+ type range. Still not good enough for his age to be that intersting tho. So his rise is still a lesson to never write anyone off completely.


But it's fun to try and put this year's crop into perspective with those two years....

* Micheletti looks to be in line with Devonte. A little lower top line number but with a lower babip. Interesting enough to keep an eye on but probably not legit.
* Parker actually kind of looks good in this comparison. His hitting line is moderately better than Doughty's line both top and underlying, and he's a C. I'd actually probably put Parker's line right there with Bohorofen's line when factoring in the big babip discrepancy. And Parker apparently has much more defensive upside than Bohorfen. Parker's line might be the rare overager line that actually looks legit interesting. We'll see what happens there.
* Keys' line is pretty good. Not great though. Not quite Doughty-level but not far off. Not good enough to get excited about but a better performance than most all of those previous 2yrs overage guys.
* Mitchell's line is just plain good considering he's the only guy here who's not too old for the level. Looks pretty legit right now tbh.
* the other three aren't awful and have some interesting caveats (tibbets is a C, Cunningham and Freethy have super low babip) but nothing to note yet.

GabrielSyme - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 06:48 PM EDT (#452421) #
Sean Keys is a better-performing Spencer Horwitz - a lefty-hitting, righty-throwing college 1B who might be able to fake it well enough elsewhere in the infield, who is more quality-of-contact than huge power, and who couples that with a good approach and contact ability. Keys was the much better college performer, hence his draft position.

After signing in 2019, Horwitz put up a 137 wRC+ in advanced rookie Bluefield in 231 plate appearances, then scuffled to a 47wRC+ in 44 plate appearances in short-season Vancouver. The leagues have changed now, so hard to make a clear comparison to Keys' line in Dunedin. I think it's hard to project these kinds of college hittability hitters. Some such guys do really well, and some who are regarded very highly as pure hitters never do put it together - it looks like Austin Martin is joining that club along with Brett Wallace to name a few former Jays farmhands.
GabrielSyme - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#452422) #
Following up on the Rule 5 discussion in a previous thread, I think two names that are likely going to be under strong consideration are Victor Arias and Adrian Pinto. Both only in high-A, but excellent performance and both relatively young. I would suspect Pinto goes to Arizona.

Of the other names mentioned, I don't think Estrada or Wallace are likely to be protected - they only look as good to us as they do because of the lack of top-rate pitchers in our system who have stayed on the mound this season. The Jays can't protect all the marginal relief prospects that currently litter our 40-man and at the same time, add a few more to protect them from the Rule V. And a few spots will have to be freed up for free agents and potentially, for Arias, Pinto and Dahian Santos. So there isn't going to be much room for the likes of Fisher, Juenger, Pardinho, Cooke et al. More than one reliever being added would surprise me.
metafour - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#452423) #
Ugly, Nick Mitchell is a whopping 3 months younger than Sean Keys. He just turned 21. The idea that being 3 months younger makes one "legit", and the other "not really exciting because of his age" is complete nonsense.

What do we think of #3 overall pick Charlie Condon, by the way? He is "age appropriate" in A+, but he has been atrocious: .180/.248/.270 with a 31.2% K-rate, and a 3.7% BB-rate. Time to write him off, I assume?
Kelekin - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#452424) #
"And Parker apparently has much more defensive upside than Bohorfen"

Curious where you heard this? My understanding was the inverse - Parker's defense was his big question mark, while Bohrofen was known to be a corner outfielder with athleticism, who was usually the go-to in CF whenever Dasan Brown was out of the lineup.
Kelekin - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#452425) #
@GabrielSyme - The question when it comes to Arias or Pinto is are they worth keeping on the 40-man when so far away. There's precedent - the Jays did it with Jimenez. I don't see anyone stashing Arias for an entire year, but Pinto could be targeted.

Re: Wallace/Estrada, I don't think Estrada is marginal from the starts I've watched. They wouldn't have kept him around through two major arm injuries if they didn't like his arm.

I agree Wallace is probably marginal, but the team is going to need SP depth on the 40-Man. There are very few internal options for it. OTOH, they may just try to trade him.
Marc Hulet - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#452426) #
I don't see a need to protect Cooke (elbow damage) or Juenger (right-hander with an average FB, no real breaking ball, inconsistent command and changeup is his best pitch). I'd protect Pardinho or even Andrew Bash over those two. I don't see much in Fisher, either.

Juenger was intriguing because he was advanced and moved quickly but that's irrelevant now and his stuff backed up.

You might see Arias (if healthy) and Pinto in the AFL to see how they look against AA/AAA pitchers. And maybe Dahain Santos also in the AFL which gives the Jays a little more data to decide on the 40-man spots. I would protect Estrada because he has two pitches that flash plus and could be a good multi-inning reliever. I would also be tempted to add Arias... if he can stay on the field, he has promising exit velos/raw power and a good approach.
John Northey - Monday, September 09 2024 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#452432) #
For any 40 man guys the team is debating the question becomes - do you think a contender would want him (unlikely) or do you think the White Sox or A's will take him. Everyone outside of those 2 probably feels they can contend in 2025 (well, Angels, Marlins, and Rockies also might punt in 2025 everyone else is within 11 of a wild card).
uglyone - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 12:31 AM EDT (#452439) #
"Ugly, Nick Mitchell is a whopping 3 months younger than Sean Keys. He just turned 21. The idea that being 3 months younger makes one "legit", and the other "not really exciting because of his age" is complete nonsense."

fair, sometimes players slip through the middle on these things. in this case there's also the fact that Keys has a much higher babip. but hey I was a Keys fan when we drafted him and on his good side is that he had an ice cold start and has come on like gangbusters laely. Just not quite as solid a performance as Mitchell, but close.



"What do we think of #3 overall pick Charlie Condon, by the way? He is "age appropriate" in A+, but he has been atrocious: .180/.248/.270 with a 31.2% K-rate, and a 3.7% BB-rate. Time to write him off, I assume?"

interesting case. That's truly a horrendous line for him, and like Austin martin, draft slot really doesn't matter a whole lot. he wouldn't be going #3 if the draft was today.


at the same time, Condon has such elite power upside that of course you don't give up on that.
but man that's a scary start for a top prospect.
uglyone - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 12:34 AM EDT (#452440) #
"Curious where you heard this? My understanding was the inverse - Parker's defense was his big question mark, while Bohrofen was known to be a corner outfielder with athleticism, who was usually the go-to in CF whenever Dasan Brown was out of the lineup."

well catcher defense has massive variance but if he's actually a C that can stick there then yeah I see that as much more defensive value than a corner OF. I wasn't aware that Bohrofen had any CF value or even any plus corner OF value.
pooks137 - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 07:43 AM EDT (#452442) #
Saw D.M. Fox reporting on X that Nolan Perry has had Tommy John & Chad Dallas is scheduled to do so.

Seems there's nary a virgin elbow left in the system.
bpoz - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 09:01 AM EDT (#452444) #
I read about Perry & Dallas. Fernando Perez has only pitched 12 innings since he played in the Futures game. That was in 4 games. Game by game 5IP 1 ER, 2.2IP 3er, 3.1IP 1er, 1IP 4er. Hope he is ok. Last year he pitched 49.2 innings this year 82 innings.

Luis Torres 19 YO LHP IMO has had a good year FCL & FSL combined. 53IP total. The early start to the FCL meant an early end to the season. He was promoted right away to the FSL.

I hope they were protecting the arms of Perez and Torres. They should have a plan for this.

GabrielSyme - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#452448) #
I had not heard of Luis Torres, but he looks promising. I couldn't find a scouting report, but statcast has some pitch data for Dunedin: he's 92-93, top 95 with a sinker and 4-seamer; and a slider and changeup, both of which got 50% whiffs. Those whiff rates on the secondaries are pretty impressive.
GabrielSyme - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#452450) #
With Wallace and Estrada, there are lots of potential minor-league starter to reliever potential Rule V picks out there, and I don't see them being among those chosen, but I don't know. As for Wallace being put on the 40-man as starting pitcher depth, I can't see it: presuming we don't sign anyone, the starting five are the current five: Berrios, Gausman, Bassitt, Rodriguez and Francis. Then you have Bloss and Macko already on the 40-man, so you're already seven deep. Then Manoah and Tiedemann should be back sometime next summer and would move in front of Wallace on the depth chart. So I can't see the value of using a 40-man spot on Wallace to ensure extra starting depth.

In general I think it's pretty hard to guess who might get taken as a reliever (when was the last starter taken as a starter stuck all year?). That being said, Wallace throws 88. Nobody is going to pick him in the Rule V draft.
bpoz - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#452452) #
Anyone that believes that 1) Young Jays pitchers can stay healthy and 2) That young tall but underweight pitchers can get stronger and throw harder must be pleased with quite a few of our pitchers.
hypobole - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#452456) #
"when was the last starter taken as a starter stuck all year?"

Mitch Spence was taken by the A's from the Yankees. He's started 20 games and counting.
Gerry - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 01:40 PM EDT (#452458) #
It looks like Trent Palmer was released.
GabrielSyme - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#452459) #
Thanks both for the answer and the lack of comment on my abysmal grammar.
Glevin - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#452464) #
Spence was a full time starter in AAA last year. It's funny that almost all the guys who were taken in rule 5 last few years who had success have been Yankee prospect pitchers. Spence, Whitlock, and Slaton. Either way, not worried about marginal relief prospects being lost. Other teams have better prospects to lose and maybe one guy a year is at all decent.
John Northey - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#452465) #
Not a shock with Palmer - at 25 he had a 9.88 ERA over A and AA in 27 1/3 IP walking 31 vs 25 K's. Kind of hard to see a future for him on the mound. Just 153 1/3 IP over 4 seasons. Sad but the way it goes. Staying healthy is a skill and some pitchers just don't have it. Frasso missed 2024 due to injury so has just 152 IP over his 4 pro seasons, Zach Britton is a C/IF with a 602 OPS in AA this year so not much there either - he reached AA in 2022 but over 3 years has hit just 213/330/340 in AA (382 PA). CJ Van Eyk was round 2 with a 5.77 ERA in AA this year over 92 IP (206 as a pro) his BB/9 was OK at 3.5 but his K/9 was just 7.2 which is too low in AA to see a future with that ERA mixed in. So Austin Martin is the only success story from that tiny draft - and that ain't a big success (outside of being used to get Berrios of course) - an 89 OPS+ and now in the OF (split CF/LF) but doing very poor in fielding -5 DRS in LF, -7 in CF. Yikes. If he can't get that OPS+ to the 120's he has no future with that glove.

So whoever was responsible for that 2020 draft needs to be fired or at least strongly reviewed (maybe they did better other times), that was a total flop despite the 'luck' of having Martin fall to the Jays. Of course, the Mariners picked 6th and got nothing but negative WAR so far from that draft too. So maybe it was also a function of losing 2020 and just a bad draft overall. We'll know for sure in a few years. The scouting director was Shane Farrell who is still the scouting director today. Of course in 2023 he did draft Arjun Nimmala who looks very promising and has from day one.
GabrielSyme - Tuesday, September 10 2024 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#452466) #
Nick Frasso could yet salvage the 2020 draft. I think it's hard to draw too many conclusions from it. Martin was obviously a big miss, but a) nobody as far as I can tell disliked the pick at the time and b) while you'd rather have Nick Gonzales, there wasn't anyone widely considered in the Jays pick range who looks like a star. It's more a failure to go off the board to, say, Crochet or Bailey, than missing someone who actually was a likely pick at #5.
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