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Joey Votto made his first start for Buffalo and he did indeed hit a big fly. Buffalo won easily. Rafael Sanchez threw a complete game shutout for New Hampshire. It was just seven innings but complete games are rare in the minor leagues. A number of the Jays lesser pitching prospects had had nice starts in the past few days. Alex De Jesus drove in five runs between the two games. Vancouver took one on the chin. Dunedin were tropical stormed out.

Buffalo 10 Worcester 1 - 8 innings

New Hampshire 3 Binghamton 0 - game one

New Hampshire 5 Binghamton 1

Tri-City 15 Vancouver 3

Dunedin at Daytona - postponed


Three Stars

Third Star - Will Robertson

Second Star - Alex De Jesus

First Star - Rafael Sanchez


Boxes


NOTES


The Bisons had eleven hits with every starter getting at least one hit. Joey Votto homered and walked. If he stays healthy Joey should definitely get some major league time before the end of the season, to at least get some positive PR for the team. Will Robertson stayed hot, doubling twice and driving in three runs.


Paxton Schultz started and he and Luis Quinones threw seven innings with four hits allowed between them.


Rafael Sanchez threw a complete game shutout (7 innings) in the first NH game. He struck out five. He threw 101 pitches, that's the highest I recall a minor leaguer throwing in some time.


In the sixth inning Josh Kasevich doubled to score Ryan McCarty. RJ Schreck had a bunt single with an Alex De Jesus double scoring the two base runners. Just five hits for the Fisher Cats.


In the second game De Jesus hit a three run home run in the first inning to give him five RBI on the day. He walked in the third inning and scored on a single by Garrett Spain.


CJ Van Eyk started game two and went three innings. He gave up an unearned run. Dahian Santos struck out four in 2.2 innings.


The Vancouver game was close into the fifth inning. Carson Pierce threw 4.2 innings with just one hit allowed. Tri-City scored two unearned runs off him in the fifth thanks to two errors, one by Pierce himself. Three relievers gave up 12 runs in 2.1 innings.


The C's scored three with nine hits. Marcus De La Rosa hit his first home run. Victor Arias had two hits.


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Ducey - Sunday, August 04 2024 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#451018) #
I asked this previously. I don't think I got an answer. Can the Jays afford to promote Joey? He is to make $2 M (prorated) but maybe some bonuses?
Gerry - Sunday, August 04 2024 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#451019) #
Well first he will replace someone who presumably is on major league minimum which is $740,000 so its just the difference.

Nobody outside of the org knows how close the Jays are to the tax limit.

The Jays could just delay calling up Joey until the last week or two to cut the amount paid to him while in the majors. The difference is say $1.2M or $200,000 per month. Call him up for the last two weeks and its $100,000. we still don't know if thats material.
jerjapan - Monday, August 05 2024 @ 08:07 AM EDT (#451020) #
Concrete Blonde!  Joey is great, but I do prefer 'God is a Bullet' from the album before.  Back when indie rock and the Blue Jays were both good.
Mike Green - Monday, August 05 2024 @ 09:57 AM EDT (#451022) #
I read an item that one night in August, 2018, Joey Votto used a walk-up playlist to honour his father who died 10 years previously.  The playlist included Wish You Were Here, Voodoo Chile, Riders on The Storm, Over the Hills and Far Away and Running with the Devil.  Some good hard contact there.  

Votto has used Kendrick Lamar's Humble, Amy Winehouse's Rehab, Dolly Parton's Jolene and Mac Miller's Nikes on My Feet.  I'm so old that Joey Votto is young enough to be my son.  I like Rehab and Jolene.  But may I suggest for Votto's return to Toronto in September...Respect- and he gets to pick whether Aretha or Otis. 


ISLAND BOY - Monday, August 05 2024 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#451028) #
Joey Votto's song for this season could include the lyrics," I fought the bat and the bat won."
92-93 - Monday, August 05 2024 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#451031) #
The Jays don't have anybody getting a qualifying offer, so getting under the luxury tax level only matters if the team actually intends on spending over it next season (or under it while signing an FA with a QO). 2025 payroll projects between 175-180MM, and everybody seems to want to get rid of the star SS making 16.5MM.
Mike Green - Monday, August 05 2024 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#451034) #
I don't know about that, 92-93.  Many here think that Bichette's value right now is very low and are not particularly keen that he be traded.  For what it's worth, his W rate is up and his K rate is down.  His quality of contact has been diminished, but also he's been somewhat unlucky.  Just a perfect storm of things. 

Bichette himself may want to be out of here.  It's a tough situation for a team if a young talented player wants to be gone at the absolute low point of his value. 
jerjapan - Monday, August 05 2024 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#451037) #
Joey Votto and his dad have some great taste in music.  That's a nice anecdote Mike, I like Votto even more now. 

Was listening to forget who on the radio, basically saying the call is up to Votto - if he want to play this year, feels ready and fit, like it won't harm his legacy, that's he'll play.  I'm inclined to agree. 

I haven't been to a game all year, and a fitter version of myself could ride a bike to the Dome in 40 minutes from where I live, but if Votto gets a call up, I'll turn up to see him bat.  It's a win-win for an org that needs one.
As for a walk up song, I would've prefered something local and indie if I had the choice, but I'm not sure they had licensing for the Deadly Snakes or the Hidden Cameras. 
Mike Green - Monday, August 05 2024 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#451038) #
I like both the Deadly Snakes and the Hidden Cameras.  But the prospect of 40,000 Toronto fans singing R-E-S-P-E-C-T to Joey Votto seems like a nice way to go out to me. 
jerjapan - Monday, August 05 2024 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#451041) #
For sure, iconic. 

I think the stadium has to to play Respect for Votto.  I know it's been a part of his rep before, and it'd be cool, but that'd be like, pretty Rick Flair of him to choose that song for his debut.
Although, now I really hope he does pick that. 
Parker - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 08:14 AM EDT (#451058) #
With apologies to Johnette Napolitano:

Tomorrow Vladdy's gonna hit a long fly.
Parker - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 08:19 AM EDT (#451060) #
Rather, apologies to Andy Prieboy. I somehow forgot that "Tomorrow, Wendy" was a cover.

BTW, I think Votto should stride to the plate to "Come On" by the Headstones.
Mike Green - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 09:08 AM EDT (#451061) #
If I were choosing a Canadian song roughly from the era as a walk-up tune, it would be Little Bones by the Hip.  Would be perfect for Wade Boggs.
jerjapan - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 10:05 AM EDT (#451063) #
Somehow, I'd never heard that Headstones song before.  Nice one!  That or the Hip would be rockin walk-ups. 
Gerry - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#451067) #
Kiley McDaniel at ESPN has reranked the farm systems after the trade deadline. The Jays are at number 22 mainly because there has been no breakthrough performance in the season worthy of top 100 consideration, added to the injuries and Orelvis's suspension.
Mike Green - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#451069) #
Unfortunately, I place about 0 weight on an evaluator's descriptions of whether a system is the #15 or #22.  They just don't have the ability to make that kind of broad yet detailed evaluation of 50 prospects for each of 30 teams.  I see enough from the individual rankings and comments to persuade me that it is biting off more than they can chew.

It was obvious prior to the deadline that the Blue Jay system was in very poor shape by its own historical standards (and undoubtedly in comparison to other clubs).  It is also obvious that there has been very meaningful improvement with the deadline acquisitions and draft signings, and how far it takes them is both hard to tell and not that important.  The club and everyone else will know more about what they have in six weeks, and they'll have to make a number of decisions based on that.  That's the time for the evaluations. 
85bluejay - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#451070) #
I agree that prospect rankings have to taken with a large grain of salt. The Jays system most would say was in poor shape and except for the pitcher Bloss I'm meh about all the other prospects added and of course every team added draft prospects so that shouldn't change the Jays rankings until we see how those prospects perform. I'd say that #22 is a generous grade considering the Jays were viewed as bottom 5 before the draft and trade deadline.
pooks137 - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#451071) #
It is also obvious that there has been very meaningful improvement with the deadline acquisitions and draft signings, and how far it takes them is both hard to tell and not that important.

Seeing the massive amounts of releases from the Jays system over the last few weeks in the wake of their new draft signings & deadline firesale acquisitions due to the newer 165 minor league prospect roster limit, one wonders if these new dynamics lesson the value of the low minors lottery prospect pickup so characteristic of low value trades for major league talent.

The proportional value of some flyer prospect midseason would seem lower if so many marginal low minor prospects must be purged post-draft in July simply to make room for new blood.

I know there has always been mass releases of low minors talent during the offseason (and to a lesser degree midseason post-draft in the very low minors pre-MLB acquisition and contraction of MiLB post-COVID to free up spots for new draftees).

But it would seem like new minor league roster caps, less minor league affiliates and faster prospect churn simply means there's less spots and time in any given system to sit on flyer lottery types overall.

Gerry - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#451072) #
Josh Kasevich has been promoted to Buffalo.
Glevin - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#451074) #
People love lists and rankings myself included but agree with Mike, that ranking systems or prospects is going to be hard to do, especially when you get out of the top few.
John Northey - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#451077) #
I see rankings as a way to estimate farm strength.  50+ ranked players show top end, near ML guys (or super-stud lower minors guys).  35+ guys show depth.  Getting beyond that I find to often be silly, fun, but still silly.

Pre-season FanGraphs had the Jays with 31 35+'ers, and 2 50's.  The Rays had 4 50's and 49 35+'s as a comparison - so the Rays had the Jays on both depth and quality at the top. 

Now, are these ratings perfect? Of course not - Schneider pre-2023 wasn't even ranked as a 35+ for example, and he was 'WOW' that year when called up and has had more of a career than most on these lists will ever have.  However, they do give a mostly unbiased view of the system we fans can never have. If the Jays have the fewest 35+'s that is an issue, if they have the fewest 50+'s then that too is an issue.  The trade deadline got the Jays got 8 35+'s from the pre-season lists and 1 50+ (Bloss) to go with 1 proven ML'er and 5 lottery tickets.  Most of these guys will be forgotten in 2-3 years as we move on from this trade deadline and focus on results or free agents or other trades.  Odds are very good that Bloss will be something (be it a meh guy with 1-5 WAR lifetime or an all-star), while some others might be good too - Jonatan Clase is my favorite as I love speedsters - and the Jays have never had anyone steal more than 60 in a season (Dave Collins 1984) with Shannon Stewart in 1998 the last to get 50+, last 40+ was Rajai Davis in 2013, 30+ José Reyes in 2014. Wow, the Jays speed shortage has been extreme hasn't it?
Gerry - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 06:26 PM EDT (#451079) #
The Jays announced a slew of roster moves today. Draft picks had to be added to teams and the Jays had to abide by the 165 player limit. Most of the draft picks were assigned to Dunedin with some Dunedin players being sent back to the FCL.

Dunedin are stormed out tonight again.

In addition the Bisons released Aaron Sanchez and Beau Sulser.
John Northey - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 07:01 PM EDT (#451080) #
Sad that Sanchez is toast. Was hoping he'd have a final run in him. A 7.92 ERA over 61 1/3 IP 5.7 BB/9 vs 6.0 K/9 didn't show any hope imo. Such a key part of the 2015/16 teams, part of a no-hitter after being traded to Houston, but his star fell completely after that. Missed 2020, 136 ERA+ over 35 IP for SF in 2021, but a 60 for 2 teams in 2022 and that was it for the majors. From a top 30 prospect to an ERA title at age 23 - he was a guy who always felt like he was going to be an ace at any second but just couldn't quite make it work for more than that one season. Doubt anyone else will sign him now unless he goes to Korea or something.
Glevin - Tuesday, August 06 2024 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#451081) #
Dasan Brown finally promoted. Curious to see how he does in AA. Bloss will start in Buffalo Saturday. Dunedin is now filled with prospects.
pooks137 - Wednesday, August 07 2024 @ 09:36 AM EDT (#451099) #
Sad that Sanchez is toast.

Surprised that Sanchez seems to have outlasted Noah Syndergaard by a year, albeit in the minors and very unsuccessfully.

Syndergaard, selected 4 picks after Sanchez in 2010, finishes with 15 bWAR to Aaron's 8. Which is closer than I would have guessed.

I can't find any evidence that Syndergaard is pitching this year (or rehabbing), so I guess he is done as well.

Thinking back to the rumoured RA Dickey deal where AA chose to keep Sanchez over Syndergaard, the deal ended up mattering less than it originally appeared at the end due to Syndergaard's inability to stay on the field.

I recall so much anger that a seemingly irreparable Sanchez was dealt for essentially salary relief & Derek Fisher at the deadline in 2019 (I would've guessed it was several years earlier).

At least it's not debatable that both righties clearly outperformed their compatriot Deck McGuire chosen a good 20+ picks earlier.

scottt - Wednesday, August 07 2024 @ 10:09 AM EDT (#451100) #
I still think that Sanchez could pitch as a reliever.
He's only ever had one good pitch.

pooks137 - Wednesday, August 07 2024 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#451102) #
In addition the Bisons released Aaron Sanchez and Beau Sulser.

On another note, the two veterans released certainly were candidates to be cut based on performance alone.

Looking at the Bisons' roster though, there doesn't appear to be an abundance of SP candidates.

Sanchez & Sulser were among the leaders in GS for Buffalo. Troy Watson with a handful of starts was traded to Detroit.

Chad Dallas is hurt. Andrew Bash is rehabbing in Dunedin. Trenton Wallace has 1 AAA start. Presumably room for Bloss is being made. Espino is still around, as is Kaprelian. Paxton Schultz has made a few recent spot starts.

I suppose it's simply roster crunches & machinations, but it does seem like a drop in SP depth for the rest of the year when the AAA rotation seems thin & the big club has a constantly empty 5th starter slot until Bloss is ready.

John Northey - Wednesday, August 07 2024 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#451106) #
For pitching it is always a struggle to get consistent starters in the minors it seems. 20+ starts for the Jays this year: Devereaux Harrison AA - that's it. 21 others have 10-18 starts most in lower levels. For guys with a sub 5 ERA who had at least 1 game in AA or AAA you get 8 guys. Ugh. Trenton Wallace was doing great in AA but in Buffalo he has a 7.36 ERA (1 start, 3 runs in 3 2/3 IP). Lazaro Estrada dominated A/A+ and is OK in AA (2.81 ERA 10 BB vs 23 K in AA over 25 2/3 IP in 5 starts) but at 25 is a bit old to be seen as a strong prospect. Ryan Jennings got hurt (argh!).

I can see a big need for healthy young arms in the system. But the trades didn't bring in a lot of those, nor did the draft. A few good ones (in truth what the Jays most want is 2 or 3 really good ones). Hopefully the IFA market gets them a stack of solid ones.
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, August 07 2024 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#451107) #
Age isn't always black and white... Estrada was signed out of Cuba at age 18 then inexplicably threw 70 innings in the DSL. From 2020-22, he threw less than 50 innings due to injuries/COVID cancelation. He's been very good when on the mound but he's also very fastball heavy in his approach despite a curveball that rates very highly. He's always at the top of the milb "STUFF" leaderboard and gets an unusually high number of whiffs on his fastball even though it's 93-94 mph. He's also a milb FA at the end of the year and a club like TB will no doubt be interested if he's not added to the 40-man but the future may be 2-3 inning reliever.
scottt - Wednesday, August 07 2024 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#451109) #
I don't really think of Tampa as a club that poaches players from other orgs.
My impression is that they already have lots of tough decisions to make with their 40 roster, especially once all the injured pitchers are added back.
Just my impression though. I haven't researched the subject.

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