Buffalo schedule ends Sept 22 so lots of time for AAA prospects to make an impression.

Jays need to move off of some former prospects to make room for other guys. Can't see how Miguel Hiraldo or Cam Eden ever have major league careers but bigger issues in AA where there don't look to be any actual prospects apart from guys who might be reporting there now from trades. De Jesus is young enough where you can't write him off completely but not much hope and none of Turconi, Kasevich, McCartey, Doughty, Spain, Martinez, etc...look like prospects right now. You're not going to have an interesting prospect at every position at every level obviously but you also shouldn't have entire teams where nobody looks like a future major leaguer.

Kasevich has cooled off, but he is still hitting 282 and plays a very good SS. He is 23 and could develop some more power.

Doughty just started playing after being out most of the season.

Kasevich has had 3 years in the minors. Wrc+ of 100, 103, 98. Hard to see how that becomes a major leaguer. Doughty has 2.2 bb% and over 30% K and hasn't hit at all in AA. I'm not saying to cut these guys or anything. They're still young enough where things can change just right now I don't see any of these guys as prospects.

BA has issued an updated top 30. Here are some notables:

3. Yesavage

4. Bloss

5. Loperfido

10. McAdoo

12. Clase

25. Wagner

28. Coffey

Few things would surprise me more than Doughty turning into something useful. His pitch recognition skills are poor and he doesn't have a defensive position that he can play competently. I don't think much of Kasevich either but his defense and strike zone control skills at least give him a chance.

Eric Longenhagen at Fangraphs has also ranked the prospects traded with a grade.

4. Bloss 50

25. Clase 40

29. Paulino 40

31. Coffey 40

56. Wagner 35+

57. Rivera 35+

59. Pinango 35+

70. McAdoo 35

83. Sharp 35

86. Schreck 35

87. Harry 35

89. Batista 35


Joey Loperfido was not ranked presumably because he is no longer a prospect.

Yesavage would have a better shot at the Hall of Names if his first name was Dan.

I try not to get too excited about pitcher upsides. Sometimes a pitcher learns a new pitch, and that's enough to propel them forward while so many of their higher-ranked peers develop arm injuries. Occasionally, a Paul Skenes comes along and you just know. That is very much the exception.

There must be a whack of folks that BA likes in the levels below Vancouver for Coffey to be 28.

BA's list makes no sense to me at all.

Not worried about the questionable BA and Fangraphs lists. All will come right when the Box weighs in at the end of the year.

Some of the guys were traded to the Jays because of concerns they could be lost in the rule 5 draft.
It's hard to see how guys like that--who could stick on an MLB club a full year--rate 35.

Fangraphs had McAdoo as an outfielder who has power but no hit.
He's played mostly 3B in A+, some RF, a bit of first base, a bit of DH.
He hit .302 last year and .315 this year with 14 HR. How is that a bad hit tool?

Trenton Wallace was promoted to Buffalo and makes the start for the Bisons. He's an under-the-radar rotation possibility for the 2025 Blue Jays. If they're adventurous, they might try a Yariel Rodriguez-Wallace tandem combination to limit the innings of both.

I think mid-year lists are always wonky. Evaluators don't update previous priors enough.

Agreed,Glevin. In the case of a low round draft pick like McAdoo, all the more so.

I'm skeptical about Wallace. He's had some success but the arm slot and 91 mph fastball both scream reliever to me.

It's not just the Rule 5 but some of the players will be MILB free agents: Pinango, Paulino.

In the LOOGY days I would have been more optimistic about Wallace. There's a ton of funk and deception in his delivery but the stuff is pretty marginal. There are a bunch of reliever spots open though so anything is possible.

AAA

* X 1B Horwitz (26): 259pa, 17.0b%, 15.8k%, .401bip, .335avg, .179iso, 157wrc+
* X SS Jimenez (23): 226pa, 13.3b%, 15.0k%, .300bip, .271avg, .160iso, 129wrc+
* X LF Barger (24): 249pa, 16.1b%, 19.3k%, .299bip, .260avg, .206iso, 126wrc+
* X 2B Wagner (25): 328pa, 16.8b%, 10.1k%, .333bip, .311avg, .125iso, 124wrc+
* X RF Loperfido (25): 189pa, 11.1b%, 28.0k%, .316bip, .272avg, .296iso, 121wrc+
* X CF Berroa (25): 239pa, 12.1b%, 23.8k%, .373bip, .296avg, .160so, 121wrc+
* X DH Martinez (22): 269pa, 8.9b%, 24.2k%, .288bip, .260avg, .264iso, 118wrc+
* X 3B DeLosSantos (26): 90pa, 16.7b%, 21.1k%, .286bip, .243avg, .157iso, 114wrc+
* X C Serven (29): 159pa, 16.4b%, 28.9k%, .386bip, .265avg, .114iso, 109wrc+

All these guys are borderline graduated (i think Wagner will be up soon enough) and for the most part deserve to be. Orelvis and Jimenez the only two that are still actually prospects and I wouldn't hesitate to bring them back down if they aren't hacking it anytime soon. The rest are either hacking it in the bigs or not worth getting interested in.


* 1. 1B Tirotta (25): 209pa, 15.8b%, 25.4k%, .324bip, .263avg, .234iso, 137wrc+
* 2. RF Lukes (29): 192pa, 9.9b%, 15.1k%, .375bip, .333avg, .146iso, 133wrc+
* 3. 2B Cancel (27): 108pa, 15.7b%, 30.6k%, .308bip, .242avg, .253iso, 119wrc+
* 4. CF Clase (22): 293pa, 14.0b%, 25.3k%, .335bip, .268avg, .199iso, 106wrc+
* 5. DH Robertson (26): 330pa, 11.2b%, 31.8k%, .293bip, .229avg, .232iso, 100wrc+
* 6. C Clarke (26): 104pa, 15.4b%, 16.3k%, .290bip, .244avg, .093iso, 91wrc+
* 7. LF Roden (24): 121pa, 13.2b%, 14.9k%, .277bip, .245avg, .108iso, 88wrc+
* 8. 3B Palmegiani (24): 337pa, 11.6b%, 29.1k%, .268bip, .211avg, .166iso, 82wrc+
* 9. SS Lantigua (26): 351pa, 13.1b%, 20.2k%, .317bip, .248avg, .060iso, 79wrc+

* X. OF Eden (26): 316pa, 11.1b%, 27.5k%, .265bip, .202avg, .129iso, 63wrc+
* X. C McDowell (30): 135pa, 6.7b%, 32.6k%, .247bip, .189avg, .148iso, 54wrc+
* X. C Raposo (26): 208pa, 7.2b%, 21.6k%, .214bip, .193avg, .156iso, 50wrc+
* X. IF Hiraldo (23): 83pa, 8.4b%, 34.9k%, .333bip, .205avg, .027iso, 42wrc+

* X. C Henry (27): 94pa, 7.4b%, 18.1k%, .273bip, .244avg, .151iso, 80wrc+
* X. IF Turconi (25): 77pa, 6.5b%, 35.1k%, .311bip, .194avg, .028iso, 22wrc+
* X. IF Arnold (22): 14pa, 0.0b%, 7.1k%, .250bip, .286avg, .286iso, 109wrc+
* X. OF Spain (23): 8pa, 12.5b%, 37.5k%, .250bip, .143avg, .143iso, 38wrc+


Tirotta and Lukes are old enough and good enough to be in that graduated group and called up whenever. Too old to be excited by anything they do in the minors tho.

Clase of course looks very good for his age.

And hear comes Roden, finally. Looks well on his way to being an above average hitter as his babip continues to sort itself out. Still hasn't been good enough this year not to be slotted in to start next year in AAA tho.

Nothing else interesting here really. I guess now we have a whole bunch of catchers who are probably all nothing but maybe one of them pops a bit. It doesn't take much for a good defensive C to be valuable.



AA

3B McAdoo (22): 118pa, 11.0b%, 24.6k%, .324bip, .269avg, .221iso, 134wrc+
IF Paulino (21): 278pa, 10.4b%, 21.6k%, .335bip, .263avg, .128iso, 113wrc+
1B Nunez (23): 307pa, 9.4b%, 18.9k%, .289bip, .254avg, .145iso, 106wrc+
OF Pinango (22): 230pa, 11.3b%, 20.9k%, .273bip, .224avg, .124iso, 100wrc+
IF Kasevich (23): 388pa, 6.7b%, 10.8k%, .311bip, .282avg, .075iso, 98wrc+
IF Dejesus (22): 358pa, 8.7b%, 27.4k%, .336bip, .244avg, .099iso, 92wrc+


McAdoo good enough to graduate up to AAA already. I wonder if the Jays just move him straight to buffalo.

Paulino with very good nmumbers for being a year young for the level. No rush to move him but that's a very nice hitting line.

Nunez and Pinango good enough for their ages to keep an eye on. Kasevich and Dejesus barely hanging on to relevance.


A+

OF Arias (20): 8pa, 37.5b%, 0.0k%, .400bip, .400avg, .200iso, 247wrc+
OF Brown (22): 321pa, 11.8b%, 24.0k%, .333bip, .260avg, .158iso, 125wrc+
IF Coffey (20): 281pa, 10.3b%, 24.9k%, .267bip, .234avg, .218iso, 116wrc+
OF Bohrofen (22): 355pa, 13.2b%, 25.6k%, .286bip, .218avg, .153iso, 107wrc+
1B Orf (22): 125pa, 13.6b%, 23.3k%, .253bip, .208avg, .189iso, 103wrc+
C Deschamps (21): 4pa, 0.0b%, 75.0k%, 1.000bip, .250avg, .250iso, 102wrc+
IF Harry (21): 340pa, 8.8b%, 19.1k%, .243bip, .214avg, .136iso, 91wrc+

Arias with the well deserved call-up and hitting right away while young for the level. He could start to look like a really good prospect if he can excel at this level the rest of the season.

Coffey also a standout while young for the level.

I'm getting the feeling the org doesn't believe in Brown. Can't see the benefit of keeping him in A+ and not testing him at the next level at his age.

Bohorofen and Orf probably shouldn't be on the list. barely above average hitters while old for the level, and not much defense in their profiles.

Deschamps i probably should have been listing while he was in A ball but as he was old for the level and his sample was small i always found a reason to keep him out. But his numbers were worthy of promotion so nice to see him get bumped up to his age appropriate level. If he can be an average hitter at this level ther rest of the year then he might be a prospect if he can stick behind the plate.

Harry very borderline overall, but if his defense is there, then his hitting line is only a babip correction away from solid.


A

X OF Arias (20): 332pa, 10.8b%, 21.7k%, .347bip, .279avg, .175iso, 142wrc+
X C Deschamps (21): 120pa, 12.5b%, 35.8k%, .368bip, ,235avg, .186iso, 119wrc+
IF Nimmala (18): 237pa, 9.7b%, 33.8k%, .267bip, .206avg, .250iso, 114wrc+
C Duran (20): 249pa, 13.3b%, 14.9k%, .301bip, .251avg, .082iso, 109wrc+
IF Beltre (20): 371pa, 9.7b%, 18.6k%, .288bip, .237avg, .087iso, 96wrc+
OF Joseph (19): 268pa, 6.3b%, 25.0k%, .284bip, .223avg, .134iso, 90wrc+

Nice to see Nimmala start going again after a slow couple weeks. He still profiles as our best prospect imo.

Duran looking very legit, especially for a catcher.


CPX

X IF Nimmala (18): 30pa, 30.0b%, 23.3k%, .308bip, .238avg, .333iso, 176wrc+

IF Chirinos (19): 164pa, 9.8b%, 25.0k%, .412bip, .300avg, .143iso, 134wrc+






Question for da Box - what's the story with Nate LaRue? what injuries has he had keeping him out so much? is he actually a guy with a chance to stick behind the plate?

actually we seem to have a whole wack of catcher prospects/suspects in the system right now - does anyone have any idea which ones have defensive chops and which ones are Cs in name only?

When I see a pitcher like Wallace with ERA numbers as he has, there's usually something beyond the stuff. If you look at his splits, you'll see lots of solo home runs and absolute domination with runners in scoring position. Command and smarts.

There have always been pitchers like this who succeeded and disproportionately they have been left-handed.

Paulino, Pinango and Schrek are the only left bats the Jays have in AA.

He's got a change, a curve and a wipeout slider with a 40% whiff rate.
Also, a guy who sits at 91mph is less likely to be injured all the time.

That sounds like enough raw material to me. It's hard to maintain the K rate that Wallace has with a 91 mph fastball and nothing else.

Lots of minor league releases today as the new players come in.

Miguel Hiraldo, Kekai Rios and Mike Mayers released by Buffalo.

Pitchers Jorge Bautista and Jordan Powell released by Dunedin.

I was at the C’s game today - Brown was in the dugout so he definitely wasn’t headed to NH today.

I love funky LH pitchers and Wallace has certainly pitched well and earned his promotion. I only saw him live once so everything I say is a ridiculously small sample size. But even within the one start I saw the batters both RH and LH were completely baffled the first time they saw him but the RH’s started to time him up as the game went on. LH’s gave up as the game went on:)

Irv Carter pitched for the C's today.

Thanks, Nigel.

We'll see how Wallace does in triple A. There would be nothing wrong with starting him in long-relief, Jimmy Key style.

wagner wants to be up. and should be. no need for De Los Santos to be up here.

Mike - totally agree and the SL definitely looks like a major league pitch.

Fun night on the farm. The Bisons rallied in the ninth to win behind Phil Clarke's homer, and the Fisher Cats have an interesting lineup for the first time in a long while. They lead 4-0 after a couple of delays.

The Miguel Hiraldo era is over?! Sad days.

Promoting Wagner just means the manager will plant him on the bench.

The only players planted on the bench are the depth options, the guys not on the prospect track in terms of development. 

Berroa isn't playing regularly because he has not been viewed as a prospect.  The team will happily promote a tweener like this - Eisert, De Los Santos - and deploy them infrequently.  If someone can force their way into more playing time, great, if not, you can remove them from the 40 man without much loss to the org, and perhaps a career boast for the player.  Guys who succeed on this path go on to have Taylor Saucedo type careers.  Stall out and you are Nathan Lukes.  Tough for the players, relatively immaterial to the big league team. 

Wagner has been less than a week in the org.  He will play if called up.  The team needs to know what they have, and if they need to protect him.  Guys like De Los Santos and Berroa are coming up on a decade as Blue Jays. 

Horwitz, Barger and Jimenez have all played plenty, despite being flawed prospects. 

It's the Wagner's and Tirotta's that are most interesting to me for the rest of this year - which rule 5 eligible guys will get the call up / added to the 40 man / org stays the course and hopes player isn't picked.  
I'm higher on Tirotta than others, and found this nugget on C's Chat from the BA draft report card, calling him 'fastest runner and the best defensive player' in the 2021 class.  Interesting.  FWIW, linking him in the same category as Lukes is pretty unfair.  Yeah, old for a prospect, but at least he still lies on the 'developing' side of the aging curve. 

There is currently a LOT of space on the 40 man, if you count fringe guys as space. 

Lukes I could see getting the stopgap reward callup that De Los Santos got.  Clarke has depth catcher potential, but they won't want to add him to the 40 man until the need materializes.  Clase and Wagner should get some run. 

Guys like Kasevich are hard for us online fans to grade, since his primary appeal is his SS defense. 

I like Wallace, and Estrada in a similar vein - unheralded starters who just keep marching through the org impress me more than their reliever kin, even if reliever is the likely fate. 

Who do you guys see as the 40 man questions marks?  The priorities for developmental playing time? 

That BA reference with Tirotta as the best defender and fastest runner in his draft class has to be a typo or a reference to another player. There is zero chance that he was either in his draft class.