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It's another first place team. Of course it is.


The Rangers' dramatic improvement this season is one of the year's least surprising developments. You could see it coming a mile away. After all, I saw it coming a mile away, as far back as last October, and it can't be much more obvious than that:

Texas went 15-35 in the one-run games, which is almost impossible to do. Bruce Bochy is going to look like a genius when they finish second next year.


This, of course, was karmic payback for the Rangers' equally inexplicable record in the one-run games (36-11) back in 2016. Their good luck that year lifted what was probably little better than a .500 team into the post-season. This past year's equally bizarre set of outcomes dropped what might have been a slightly below .500 team into 94 loss territory.

It was certainly reasonable to expect the inevitable disappearance of their random evil luck, but the Rangers thought other improvements were required. This was wise. They did go 68-94. Improvements were required, and improvements were made. The most celebrated of those improvements involved signing a celebrated but notoriously injury-prone starting pitcher. But the addition of Jacob deGrom has proved pretty insignificant. He's already lost for the rest of the season and much of the next one after making 6 starts and working 30.1 innings. Nevertheless, Texas has gone from being eleventh in the league in preventing runs from being scored to fourth. Obviously, deGrom hasn't had much to do with it. It's the other four starters they've added through free agency - Jon Gray a year ago, Nathan Eovaldi, Andrew Heaney, and their own Martin Perez this past winter - who have done most of the heavy lifting. Dane Dunning, bumped from the rotation with all the free agent additions, has returned to the rotation to take over deGrom's spot. He was very effective out of the pen, and his first two starts were quite good as well - his last two not so much.

But none of the money the Rangers have thrown at starting pitchers can explain why they're scoring 6.19 runs per game, far more than any other team in the majors. It certainly helps that Marcus Semien is having a much, much better season than his first year in Texas, and while Nathaniel Lowe hasn't been as nearly as good as he was last year, he's been more than adequate. Robbie Grossman has been getting most of the playing time in left field - Grossman hasn't really been very good at all, but seeing as how last season's left fielders were absolutely awful it's still been an improvement. Josh Jung has settled in at third base, and he's been a large upgrade on Ezequiel Durán and the other jokers who were manning the hot corner last season. (And Duran has been terrific off the bench in 2023.) It's mostly been Jung and two holdovers - shortstop Corey Seager and centre fielder Leody Tavares - that have been the keys to the offensive improvement. Jung is hitting .283/.337/.500 - Texas third basemen hit .222/.277/.333 last season. And Tavares has taken a big step forward. After hitting .226/.280/.344 in his 181 games in the majors, he's batting a sweet .305/.364/.481 this season and one thinks Bruce Bochy may soon be thinking about getting him out of the bottom of the batting order.

But mostly -  Corey Seager. It's not like he was bad in 2022, his first year in the AL after seven years with the Dodgers. It was certainly a sub-par season by his own standards, but even so - shortstops who hit 33 HRs don't grow on trees. I do think that they might be more common than guys who raise their BAVG, their OBPct, and their Slugging - each of them - by at least 100 points. Which is what he's done this season, going from .245/.317/.455 to .357/.417/.643. And you'll certainly take that from your shortstop. He's put himself in the MVP (non Shohei division) conversation.

The Jays took 4 of 6 from the Rangers last year, talking two of three at home to open the season, and again taking two of three deep in the heart of Texas last September. It was a different time, and a different Texas team.

Matchups

Fri 16 June - Gausman (5-3, 3.12) vs Perez (6-2, 4.67)
Sat 17 June - Richards (0-0, 3.30) vs Dunning (5-1, 2.76)
Sun 18 June - Bassitt (7-5, 4.02) vs Gray (6-2, 2.32)
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hypobole - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 09:31 AM EDT (#430298) #
Morning quiz.

An identical thing happened to both a Rangers catcher and a Jays infielder. Who and what?
hypobole - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:02 AM EDT (#430300) #
Should have been more specific. Happened to them and no one else in baseball.
Dewey - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#430301) #
Forecast to be close to 40 C in Arlington today, with heat and air advisories. I don’t know how those people handle that regularly. Doubt that I could.
92-93 - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#430302) #
It wouldn't make much sense to call up Horwitz. Biggio looks comfortable at the plate right now, and Clement provides more flexibility.

Seager's MVP odds went from 100:1 to 50:1 over the last week. Can a non-Yankee other than Ohtani actually win the award? Franco, who probably deserves it as of now, is 30:1.
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#430303) #
The only good thing you can say about Texas in the summer is that Phoenix is worse.  It is, of course, very serious.

I didn't get a good look at Santander's game-winning hit.  Should Guerrero Jr. have been able to keep the ball in front of him to prevent the run from scoring?
92-93 - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#430306) #
Yes, but to be fair the ball was drilled.

They lost the game because they scored two runs, though.
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 12:03 PM EDT (#430307) #
I always find the Base Run standings helpful when evaluating where a club is, particularly early in the season.  The Blue Jays are 38-32 with a +20 run differential (4.56 RS per game; 4.27 RA per game).  By Base Runs which removes sequencing, the Jays are 38-32 with a +26 run differential (4.97 RS per game; 4.60 RA per game).  By Base Runs, the Blue Jays have the 5th best offensive production in the major leagues and the 19th best defensive production in the major leagues.  Once you account for the defence and the pitcher-friendly RC, the pitching has been quite poor.  The offence has sequenced poorly and the pitchers have sequenced well and those have balanced each other out in the won/loss.  They do need to pitch better.  With this defence and this park, they need to be top 10 in run prevention. 

The Blue Jays +26 Base Runs is miles behind the Rays and Rangers (no surprise), but in a knot with the Angels, Astros, Yankees and Orioles (and behind only the Angels).  The Orioles have hugely outperformed their Base Runs, due mostly to clutch factors but also due to sequencing. 


lexomatic - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#430308) #
Pretty clear indication of bias when the Jays are favored 28% Oakland just under 31% and everyone else between 43-63%

https://umpscorecards.com/teams/

Just the basic chart that loads, last column yo the right
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#430309) #
The Blue Jay leader in IsoP over 2021-23 is Danny Jansen.  He edges Vladimir Guerrero Jr.  .249-.231 over that frame.  (595 PA for Jansen; 1698 for Guerrero Jr.).  That includes Guerrero Jr's great season in 2021.  Jansen hits, runs and throws well enough to be a right-fielder, and would probably be much more durable there and might be more consistent with the bat.  Just saying. 
scottt - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 12:16 PM EDT (#430310) #
The only time I hear "sequencing" is when the pitchers/coaches/catchers talk about mixing pitches.

Baseball Savant gives the RC a neutral Park Factor of 100 this year.

Fenway 109
Camden Yards  103
RC 100
Yankees 97
House of Horrors 96


scottt - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#430311) #
Jansen will hit 2 HR in one game and then will go a month without hitting another one.
If he hits at all. Played in 70 games in 21, 72 last year and 39 so far this year.

His injuries are more related to hitting bare handed and running than catching.

Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#430312) #
Sequencing of hits is used most often in sabermetric circles.  The simplest version is single, single, home run in the first inning and no other hits/walks in the second and third innings leading to three runs.  Whereas singles and nothing more in the first and second innings and a solo homer leading off the third and no other baserunners leads to one run. 

BBRef has the one year park-factor for the RC as 91 for both pitching and hitting, and 97 for three years.  I suspect that Savant is using a longer-term park factor, which is dubious in light of the changes to the park during the off-season. 
Nigel - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 01:25 PM EDT (#430313) #
The hitting has been almost exactly as unlucky as the pitching has been lucky. It doesn't really change that the team is good but not great with no real way to materially improve it. It will be a fascinating trade deadline if the team continues as it currently is. For one of the few times in the last decade, the path forward is really unclear from a GM decision making perspective.
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#430314) #
It seems pretty clear to me what they need.  A league-average starter who will look better than that thanks to the defence.  They can't have Kikuchi and a bald spot both in the rotation.  After that, they need to hope that Guerrero Jr.  picks thing up (his xwOBA is 12th in the major leagues, so he's not that far off) and that Manoah returns as a reasonable facsimile of the pitcher he was. 
uglyone - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#430316) #
correct me if I'm wrong, Mike, but Base Runs doesn't account for any potential home run luck, right?

The Jays currently own the highest HR/FB in baseball at 14.8%.

They rank in a tie for 6th in xFIP- at 94.

Do our pitchers historically have higher than normal hr/fb rates?
Nigel - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#430317) #
I agree with that need but the Jays have neither the prospect capital nor the salary room (at least as publicly expressed) to acquire a league average starter. So, they would need to be creative. One idea that would never pass the Rogers PR test would be to do an "asset reallocation trade" which might see a Chapman and/or a Romano out for starting pitching help and hope that Espinal could give you something as semi-regular option at 3B. None of the options are that appealing.
Nigel - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 02:18 PM EDT (#430318) #
uo - Kikutchi has obscenely high historical HR/FB rates (like so bad (+20%) you really don't want to look) and Berrios has slightly higher than normal rates. The 2023 number is probably about what you would expect.
Magpie - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#430319) #
A league-average starter who will look better than that thanks to the defence.

Agreed. After all, the whole idea behind this season was to sacrifice some offense for improved run prevention. It's an approach that's worked for other teams in the past, and here we are. This team's runs scoring is certainly down and their run prevention has actually improved, although not nearly by as much as it would have without the Manoah Disaster.

The Manoah Disaster has made many best laid plans go gang a'gley (Robbie Burns reference) and I just don't think they can wait for Hyun-Jin. Realistically he's probably another six weeks away. And you don't really know what he'll be like when he gets back. He's always been a command and control pitcher, and that doesn't always come back as quickly as velocity (which was never that important to him anyway.)

On the other hand, he has rehabbed his way through a couple of major surgeries before, including this very one. I would expect he'll know when he's ready.

Now for those of you interested in some truly gripping drama, scoot on over to the Stats Canada website, and watch as this nation's population ticks slowly up towards 40 million. It should go clicking over in the next forty minutes.
ISLAND BOY - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#430322) #
Well, they are still hitting the ball at a reasonable clip, just not with men on base. It's frustrating to watch, game after game.
uglyone - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#430323) #
ok so of course i had to check.

HR/FB%: This Year --- Previous 2yrs --- difference

* Gausman: 10.8 --- 9.9 --- +0.9
* Manoah: 14.9 --- 8.3 --- +6.6
* Bassitt: 16.3 --- 10.1 --- +6.2
* Berrios: 9.8 --- 13.1 --- (-3.3)
* Kikuchi: 21.3 --- 21.9 --- (-0.6)

In the rotation, Gausman and Kikuchi are about the same as expected. Berrios solidly better than expected. but Manoah and Bassitt hugely worse than expected. Overall that's a substantially higher hr/fb% than expected from the SP imo.

* Romano: 6.7 --- 9.3 --- (-2.6)
* Swanson: 12.5 --- 7.3 --- +5.2
* Bass: 13.0 --- 13.2 --- (-0.2)
* Cimber: 26.3 --- 6.0 --- +20.3
* Mayza: 0.0 --- 20.7 ---- (-20.7)
* Garcia: 21.1 --- 10.5 --- +10.6
* Pop: 33.3 --- 7.2 --- +26.1
* Richards: 15.6 --- 14.0 --- +1.6

Let's say Romano, Swanson, Bass, and Richards are all close enough to expectations there given the small sample size, though combined you might say they lean towards worse than expected, while the other four are significantly off expectations - 1 of them being much better (mayza) and the other three (cimber garcia pop) much worse.

Again overall is seems the relievers have put up a fairly significantly higher hr/fb% than we might have expected.

Interestingly this doesn't seem to have anything to do with the new dimensions at the dome. They're worst on the road (15.0% #30) than at home (14.6% #29).
Nigel - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#430324) #
Uo - Bassitt's numbers aren't actually that far off expected once you adjust for historical home ball parks. He's probably slightly high but only by a little. The Jays number is probably a little high but not by much.
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#430325) #
In the did you know department, the seat allocations by province for 2022-32 are based on population estimates from October 2021.  At that time, Statistics Canada estimated the population of Ontario at 14,800,000, Quebec at 8,600,000, BC at 5,200,000 and Alberta at 4,400,000 (all figures rounded to nearest 100,000).  The current estimates are Ontario 15,600,000, Quebec  8,800,000, BC 5,600,000, Alberta 4,700,000.  FWIW, in addition to its rep by pop seats, Quebec gets an additional 7 under a grandfather clause. 

Back to baseball.  Sorry for the aside.
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#430326) #
Or you could compare pitcher's Slug against with expected Slug per Statcast.  Here are the numbers for the starters:

Gausman Slug .357, xSLG .389
Berrios      SLG .362, xSLG .433
Bassit        SLG .416, xSLG .427
Kikuchi      SLG .507, xSLG .503
Manoah    SLG .485, xSLG .495

League average xSLG is .415.  They've been hit hard.
hypobole - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#430327) #
Steve Pearce had a bit of a transaction history including once being sold for cash. But he was only traded twice. Both were straight up swaps. One was for Espinal. The other was for current Texas catcher Jonah Heim.

Good riddance to my quiz.
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#430328) #
Never would have got that, hypobole.
Magpie - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#430329) #
Good riddance to my quiz.

Way too difficult for me, especially when I'm tracking national population data. Sorry!
Leaside Cowboy - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#430330) #
Good riddance to my quiz

I could only think of Mike Napoli.

Cracka - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#430331) #
Spencer Horwitz activated. Cimber too. Lukes & Hatch optioned. Glad he's getting a look.
uglyone - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#430332) #
Gerry - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#430334) #
Lukas needs to get some at bats so its probably wise to option him down.
scottt - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#430335) #
Seems like a weird way to look at it.
The hitter doesn't control the type of hits.
The pitcher has more control over it than the hitter.
The umpire also plays a large role.
Often the choice is not to hit a single or a homerun but to chase or get called out on a ball. 

Then there's the impact of the running.
When the runner goes, the infielders move and thus can't field.
The Jays are not aggressive on counts where the pitch is likely to be a strike, especially not with the top of the lineup. They do it with some guys like Espinal, but the result is usually a foul ball.

Normally, it's easier to get a hit when the pitcher is in the stretch, but that doesn't seem to apply to the Jays.
Also, pitchers are more aggressive when there are nobody on base.
Call it pitching to contact, if you will. Which leads to balls in play and hits.



Ducey - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#430336) #
Hopefully Horwitz isn't stapled to the bench for 2 weeks and then sent down. Schneider seems to have a tendency to do that, whereas Charlie seemed to give them too much playing time.
John Northey - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#430337) #
An interesting idea - I don't see it happening but a challenge trade would be interesting. See if a team that expected to contend but failed (St Louis I'm thinking) would be interested in Kikuchi who is signed for this year and next at a reasonable price ($10 mil per) for someone better who is a free agent after 2023.

Jordan Montgomery is who comes to mind - 110 ERA+ this year, 127 last, 110 lifetime so a solid stable pitcher in his age 30 season, free agent after 2023. We'd have to add some sweetener in the deal of some kind of course, but then St Louis could just resign him in the offseason. Harrison Bader is who the Cards gave up last year to get him, he makes just $10 mil this year but will be demanding a lot more this winter. Of course, St Louis could just hold him and get a draft pick. Or they could trade him for a batch of prospects at the deadline potentially. But they are a win in 2024 team - they want help for then and beyond. I doubt that is a realistic deal and opens a slot in the rotation for 2024 here.

Chris Stratton is a decent reliever they have who is a free agent post 2023, wonder if we could do a 1-1 deal giving them Garcia? Garcia has the better track record pre-2023, and is signed for 2024 while Stratton isn't. Jordan Hicks is more what the Jays dream of (14.3 K/9) but is super wild (6.7 BB/9).

Fun digging into teams that are having much worse years. The Cards have been top 3 in their division every year from 2009 to now, last time sub 500 was 2007, were in last place at the end of a season when Babe Ruth was still a starting pitcher (1918, last time he qualified for the ERA title).
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#430338) #
I missed this article by Mike Petriello on Kevin Kiermaier.  He's great and he plays with such joy.  What a treat. 
Gerry - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#430339) #
Looking at the simple stats on MLB.com for tonights game.

The lowest batting average for the Texas lineup is .258 for Garcia. All the other eight are at .275 or above. For OPS the lowest is .774. They have a lineup that has offense spread relatively evenly through the order.

For the Blue Jays they have three hitters hitting over .275 (vs 8). Four hitters are batting less than the lowest Texas hitter.

For OPS the Jays have three hitters over the lowest Texas hitter at .774.

Bottom line, Texas has scored 99 more runs than the Jays. Their pitching is better too. Texas's run differential is +143, the Jays are at +20.
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#430340) #
"Able to beat the speed of Kirk" is not a phrase that I recall hearing before. 
Chuck - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#430341) #
Jays seem to be infecting the Rangers with their RISP cooties.
Chuck - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#430342) #
Cimber is surely watching Grant Anderson’s pitching style with approval.
92-93 - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#430343) #
Merrifield is due up next, but Schneider removed him from the game and put Biggio in at 2B instead. Why not just sub in Kiermaier for Biggio? Is Whit hurt?
Mike Green - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#430344) #
Merrifield made the last out of the 8th.
92-93 - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#430345) #
I misread the boxscore but still don’t understand putting the weakest defender at 2B in a 1 run lead.
krose - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#430346) #
Samad Taylor called up by the Royals today.
Nigel - Friday, June 16 2023 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#430347) #
Fun game and good outcome. The offence’s problems go beyond poor sequencing.
uglyone - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 12:24 AM EDT (#430348) #
So Vladdy was a really great hitter when he was nice and fat.

Why did we want him to change again exactly?
Nigel - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 12:37 AM EDT (#430349) #
He was a great hitter in the bandbox of Dunedin. He’s been a good hitter everywhere else since his promotion.
Kasi - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 02:20 AM EDT (#430350) #
And if he’s only a good hitter now in his athletic prime than I don’t want to think how he’ll be if those wrist injuries keep mounting up or his bat speed slips. Great downgrading to food was what we were expecting. Good declining to average not so much. Certainly not worth 300 million.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 03:06 AM EDT (#430351) #
" Jansen will hit 2 HR in one game and then go a month without hitting another one."

Time flies.
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 04:20 AM EDT (#430352) #
Boston clobbered the Yankees by a score of 15-5. Justin Turner hit a grand slam, had 10 total bases, and 6 RBI.
scottt - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:45 AM EDT (#430353) #
Bassitt is great, but he can get stunned if something bad happens and the pitch clock doesn't give him a chance to clear his head. They should do a better job of using mount visits to let him cool down before it happens.
scottt - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:48 AM EDT (#430354) #
The relievers are not ground ball pitchers, so late in the game, 2B defense doesn't matter as much.

The Varsho assist was beautiful, by the way.
Nothing flashy, just perfect execution.

scottt - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:53 AM EDT (#430355) #
Hopefully Horwitz starts again right handed pitchers.

I am not sure I like Merrifield in the 2-spot.
He was stealing bases down in the order, playing small ball.
They might just have him stand and wait for the big hit up there.
bpoz - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 08:17 AM EDT (#430356) #
The Jays are just half a game out of 4th in the AL. Pretty good I think.
hypobole - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#430357) #
Our hitting has not been as good as hoped, and especially run scoring. One thing few if any bring up is the quality of competition.

The 7 best teams at preventing runs this year from highest to lowest: TBR, HOU, MIN, SDP, TEX, NYY, ATL.

After last night, we've played 31 games vs those 7 teams. We've played 71 games overall. So 43.66% of the Jays games so far have been against the 7 best run prevention teams.

Gee, I wonder if that may have anything to do with our offensive struggles?
BlueJayWay - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#430358) #
Good catch, hyperbole. The schedule should ease up soon.
scottt - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#430359) #
Forecast to be close to 40 C in Arlington today, with heat and air advisories. I don’t know how those people handle that regularly.

Well, the Texas Governor just passed a legislation voiding all local labor regulations, like the mandatory break construction workers enjoy in the Dallas area. I guess, people use religion, drugs and guns to cope. Mostly guns.

Incidentally, the jeans and t-shirt look of those uniforms is not doing it for me.
scottt - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#430360) #
Yeah, as long as they start scoring runs and winning series during the next stretch, they'll be fine in the standings.

Then the worry will move back to how to play against good teams by early September.

Nigel - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 10:30 AM EDT (#430361) #
Cause or effect? Are those 7 teams suppressing the Jays’ scoring or are those team’s run prevention stats goosed by playing the Jays!!!! :)
scottt - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 10:31 AM EDT (#430362) #
Vladdy still plays like a kid having fun.
His approach will mature eventually.

Anybody else noticed the sheepish grin on Varsho, another young player, after his assist?


hypobole - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#430363) #
Cause or effect?

Good point. If we remove the 20 run game and the two 7 run games and the three 6 run games and the four 5 run games, it becomes rather obvious the Jays batters are the reason those teams are preventing runs. :)
Nigel - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 11:35 AM EDT (#430365) #
:)
greenfrog - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 11:43 AM EDT (#430366) #
Speaking of offensive production, in June Shohei Ohtani is hitting .421/.521/.930 (wRC+ 281). On the season, he's hitting .301/.385/.621.

Good player.
Kasi - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#430368) #
Yeah the “Vlad is a better player than Ohtani” thing has definitely been put to rest.
krose - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#430370) #
Four hits, including a double and only one run. Just not smart baseball.
Kasi - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#430371) #
Classic Jays sequencing.
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#430372) #
Vladdy was thrown out by a lot there. Based on the distances alone I thought it was going to be a much closer play
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#430373) #
That outfield was design is pretty stupid
lexomatic - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#430374) #
<br>Giving up go ahead runs just after you've tied things is also classic Jays
lexomatic - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#430375) #
Oops. Was also supposed to inckude.. " or when getting back into a game."

Francis is wild. Jays throwing too many very wild pitches.
Not optimistic about current plan
hypobole - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#430376) #
Something that never dawned on me until I realised Richards hasn't pitched since June 10th. Might the Jays be stretching him out to become a starter? It was less than 4 years ago in Miami that he was converted to a bullpen role.
greenfrog - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#430377) #
Guaranteed Unlikely Win Day (tm). You can thank me later.
Leaside Cowboy - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#430378) #
The façade of a taco restaurant in Arlington, Texas features a mural of Rougned Odor punching José Bautista.

yeah, well Alaska is bigger than Texas.

99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:01 PM EDT (#430379) #
Second time I would have left Francis in rather than go to the pen. Only at 56 pitches and we need to save bodies for tomorrow
Magpie - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:12 PM EDT (#430380) #
Might the Jays be stretching [Richards] out to become a starter?

I hope not. This year he's pared his repertoire down to his two best pitches, which works for him one time through the order. And it's not like he was ever a good starter.
Magpie - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#430382) #
I don't know if Schenider and/or Walker have noticed, but this year's Yimi Garcia turns into a pumpkin after about 15 pitches.

Oh, and we're told the Rangers are a team that destroys soft stuff and breaking balls. Is this a job for Adam Cimber?
Magpie - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#430383) #
I guess it was!
uglyone - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#430384) #
When you think about it its kind of amazing that shapiro andnatkins have managed to avoid any public speculation about their job security after 9 years.
greenfrog - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#430385) #
Not sure if anyone else has noticed, but the Angels are now ahead of the Jays in the WC race. So the Jays currently have two teams to pass (NYY, LAA) to secure the final WC spot.
Nigel - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#430386) #
Groundhog Day - the offence struggles to score two runs and Garcia gives up runs (he’s given up at least one run in 6 of his last 10 appearances).
hypobole - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 06:59 PM EDT (#430387) #
When you think about it its kind of amazing that shapiro andnatkins have managed to avoid any public speculation about their job security after 9 years.

Huh? You have been publicly speculating about their job security almost the entire time.
Kasi - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#430388) #
I think there has been a lot of media discourse on Atkins. Shapiro though had remained immune because of things like the Dunedin complex and Rogers renovation. Even the couple things Shapiro did get nailed on like the stuff with Toronto city politics rolled off him. But Atkins has had plenty of articles written on him.
krose - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#430389) #
Dana’s Taylor led off his career with a home run.
John Northey - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#430390) #
Atkins is the one on the hot seat right now publicly but Rogers cares about the bottom line first, last, and always. If the Jays are profitable then Atkins is safe. Just like Gillick was safe in the '86-91 period when the Jays got into the playoffs twice while being the favorites every year. Despite being nicknamed 'stand Pat' when he went a year without making a trade despite the team having clear issues and enough of a farm to potentially fix those issues.

I know I'm a broken record on this, but remember if the Jays win 90+ this year it'll be the second time ever winning 90+ in 3 straight years (91-93 the only other time). The years with 90+ wins: 2022, 2021, 2015, 1993, 1992, 1991, 1987, 1985. The first time the Jays won a playoff series ever was 1992 (Gillick was GM from 1978-1994 remember, no playoff series wins in '85, '89, or '91). The team is doing well overall. Currently the Jays are on an 88 win pace (87.8 to be exact) which isn't peanuts. They are 1/2 a game out of the playoffs at the moment (last spot shared by Houston & LAA). This is a good position given that Vlad hasn't found his stroke, Manoah is in the lowest level of the minors, Kirk is sub 700 for OPS, etc. Note: Chapman and Kiermaier have both come back to earth - both sub 800 OPS now after their fantastic starts.

Logically at some point the offense has to act like expected for at least a few weeks. If/when that happens this team could run off a 10 game winning streak easily which would jump them up the standings a lot I'm sure. The nightmare is their issues with the AL East and the final 2+ weeks being purely against the East (Boston (3), NYY (3), TB (3), NYY (3), Rays (3) = 15 straight to end the season against the AL East). Baltimore they finish off with August 22-24. They need to be firmly in the playoffs before that final 15 game stretch I figure, as going 7-8 during it is probably the best we can hope for.
Chuck - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#430391) #
Watching the SD-TB game. Tatis leads off with a double. Eric Karros is agitated that Soto, the next hitter, is being too patient. He insists that the Padres would be better served by Soto making an out to get Tatis to third rather than having Soto walk. The run-expectation matrix disagrees, of course.

To hear an announcer in 2023 talk this way is surprising.

uglyone - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 08:36 PM EDT (#430392) #
"Huh? You have been publicly speculating about their job security almost the entire time.
"

Thank you for considering my internet posts "public".
greenfrog - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#430393) #
UO, weren’t you predicting something like 100 wins for this team in 2023? You must have thought the front office did a good job in the off-season.
John Northey - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#430394) #
Quick check on "If the offseason didn't happen"
Gone...
  • Moreno: 0.5 fWAR, 84 wRC+
  • Gurriel: 1.2 fWAR, 122 wRC+
  • Hernandez: 0.9 fWAR, 108 wRC+
  • Tapia: 0.3 fWAR, 85 wRC+
  • Bradley Jr: -0.6 fWAR, 4 wRC+
  • Stripling: -0.5 fWAR, 7.24 ERA
  • Merryweather: 0.5 fWAR, 3.26 ERA
Incoming...
  • Kiermaier: 1.6 fWAR 120 wRC+
  • Varsho: 0.9 fWAR 97 wRC+
  • Belt: 0.7 fWAR 130 wRC+
  • Bassitt: 0.4 fWAR 4.02 ERA
  • Swanson: 0.2 fWAR 2.67 ERA
Net Outgoing fWAR: 2.3, ignore negatives 3.4
Net Incoming fWAR: 3.8 (2 fewer players)

So no big difference it appears on paper, but imagine if instead of Bassitt we had Stripling this year - the difference I'm sure would've been a lot more than 0.9 wins. Merryweather would've been a very nice guy in the pen vs Bass but I don't recall ANYONE saying the Jays should keep Merryweather over Bass then, nor would anyone have seen Merryweather being more valuable to this point than Swanson (unless Swanson had been hurt).

So does Atkins deserve some credit for doing a switchover which allowed a shift from all RH to a mix RH/LH lineup, plus adding a starter who has been FAR more useful than the guy we let leave as a free agent over a player option (Stripling himself said that was the deciding factor).
Kasi - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#430395) #
Atkins has been good on the FA markets and trades. Like if we can say the biggest fish who got away is Frasso that’s not saying much. Where he does deserve a lot of criticism is player acquisition and development. It would be nice to have actual reinforcements from AAA this year and we don’t have it right now.
greenfrog - Saturday, June 17 2023 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#430396) #
Caleb Joseph on Sportsnet had a good analysis of Vladdy’s poor baserunning in the first inning leading to an out at the plate. Vladdy should have been able to score on the play. Basically, with two outs, he should have started running sooner from second base on contact, and he should have made a better turn at third base. Joseph estimated that he lost about four steps en route to the plate as a result. Disappointing.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 07:54 AM EDT (#430398) #
yesterday, I conducted an experiment:

the Rogers Centre is approximately 9 kilometres from my home. I made it there (downhill) in about 95 minutes. The return trip (uphill) took roughly 110 minutes. Google Maps suggests the route I took was 19.5 km total.

better tighten up on my back stroke.
scottt - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#430399) #
Shapiro's job is not put the team together.
His job is to give Atkins whatever he needs to succeeds.
Including the payroll and the money to sign international free agents and maintain top facilities.

So Shapiro has been great, much better than Beeston who was running the team on a budget.

scottt - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 10:30 AM EDT (#430401) #
You got players like Kiermaier who give it 100% but is always injured and is functioning around 80% on any given day.
You also got players like Vladdy who missed part of spring training due to a knee issue and who was the DH yesterday.  Maybe Vladdy needs to practice the turn at third base.  Maybe it was a mental error and he forgot there was 2 outs or maybe he doesn't feel like pushing his legs without reason and waited to see if the ball was through. He did ran hard.

If you compare Vladdy to Tatis, Vlad has been in 573 games with 623 hits and 113 HR, Tatis has been in 323 games with 362 hits and 95 HR.

Gerry - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#430406) #
Spencer Horwitz makes his debut today at DH.
85bluejay - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#430407) #
Congratulations Samad Taylor - big day yesterday - 1st start,hit,walk,run,RBI and no K. Always an intriguing prospect with the Jays, seems to have lowered his K rate which is key to his development.
greenfrog - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#430408) #
I noticed that too, 85. Good for Samad. He has worked hard to get to the majors. I hope he sticks around for a long time. He’s still only 24.
Kasi - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#430409) #
Vlads not really good at this base running thing.
greenfrog - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#430410) #
Welcome to the majors, Spencer Horwitz! And thanks for helping out with the Jays’ sequencing issues.
hypobole - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#430411) #
1st time we've had a 5 run lead since May 30 .
lexomatic - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#430412) #
<Did Kirk get injured? Saw him pulled for PR just started watching 3rd.
hypobole - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#430413) #
Got hit in the hand/wrist with a fastball.
Nigel - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#430414) #
It’s never pretty when your luck runs out as a pitcher. I can’t really decide if Bassitt is going to survive in the AL East. I’ve changed my mind several times on that one already this year.
greenfrog - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#430415) #
Disappointing game so far. At least Kirk doesn’t appear to have any fractures.
scottt - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#430416) #
Bassitt seems to get rattled easily and since he calls his own game and there's a clock, he just seems to lose focus.

I didn't like that first homerun that Pearson gave up.
He started the AB with a slider and then threw only fastballs some balls some strikes.
The hitter took every pitch, like he was waiting for the next slider.
I certainly would have made him swung at fastball before going back to the slider.

If you want to strike guys out with the slider, maybe don't show it until there's 2 strikes.
When a guy throws 97 to 100mph, guys will sit on those 85mph sliders.
The slider is good when guys starts their swings for the fastball and can't hold up.
It's not a good pitch to throw for strikes.

uglyone - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#430417) #
lexomatic - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#430418) #
So Bassit's responsible for not getting rattled but Huerrero's error just KILLED momentum for thr Jays as much as any single pkay I've seen. Nothing since then has gone right. The inabilitynof thr Jays to bunch hits ( except for the first couple of innings) and frequency of mental mistakes makes them play down from their abilities.
Nigel - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#430419) #
That was an excellent walk by Horwitz.

The team just looks whipped to me. They have a hangdog look about them. They’ve had a long stretch of playing games against teams that in many cases are just better than them. A few games against a cupcake would do this team the world of good. They will look better.
Leaside Cowboy - Sunday, June 18 2023 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#430422) #
vamos a Miami.
Kelekin - Monday, June 19 2023 @ 01:07 AM EDT (#430424) #
I do hope Horwitz makes the most of the opportunity and gets a good look; I do see him as a major league regular despite the lack of power output thus far. He's definitely in the Belt mould and despite his overall line in the minors not looking crazy, he has a .906 OPS versus righties (.664 vs lefties). A good enough performance and he could fill that role next year (though it is probably just as likely that he's being showcased).
vw_fan17 - Monday, June 19 2023 @ 01:47 AM EDT (#430425) #
How can you keep pitching Cimber in anything except a blowout??
Chuck - Monday, June 19 2023 @ 07:29 AM EDT (#430426) #
The circle of trust in the bullpen is quite small. Too small.
85bluejay - Monday, June 19 2023 @ 08:53 AM EDT (#430428) #
Calling Shea Hillenbrand.
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