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New Hampshire hit four home runs, two from Orelvis Martinez, on their way to racking up 17 runs. Dunedin used two home runs in the last inning to turn a loss into a win in game one of their doubleheader. They scored eight runs in game two without a home run. While New Hampshire and Dunedin were feasting on runs, Buffalo and Vancouver were fasting, Vancouver had just one hit in ten innings.

Worcester 3 Buffalo 1

New Hampshire 17 Binghamton 8

Everett 4 Vancouver 1 - 10 innings

Dunedin 4 Clearwater 3 - game one

Dunedin 8 Clearwater 0 - game two

FCL Yankees 6 Blue Jays 2

This is what I noted from yesterday's games.

Just four hits for Buffalo. LJ Talley drove in Otto Lopez for the only run.

Seven pitchers used by Buffalo. Nick Allgeyer took the loss while Matt Gage gave up a run, his first in two weeks.

Where to start with the New Hampshire offense. They scored 17 runs with 18 hits. Orelvis hit three home runs last weekend. He added a pair on Thursday to give him a league leading 24. He added a sac fly to drove in five runs and he walked. Addison Barger hit a three run home run and added two singles. John Aiello, Luis De Los Santos and Cam Eden picked up three hits each.

Yosver Zulueta pitched two innings in relief. He walked two and struck out four.

It was a pitchers duel in Vancouver. Chad Dallas threw six shutout innings, two hits, two walks, eight K's. Justin Kelly gave up a game tying home run in the ninth then in the tenth walked the first batter and hit the second. Everett went on to score three runs.

Harry Ray's double was the C's only hit, he also scored their only run.

Dunedin scored three runs in the top of the seventh in game one to turn a 3-1 deficit into a 4-3 win. Two home runs were the ticket, Angel Del Rosario hit a two run shot to tie the game and then Will Robertson, on rehab, hit the go ahead homer. Eric Pardinho threw to more shutout innings.

Dunedin had the bats going in game two. Jose Rivas and Rikelbin De Castro combined to drive in three runs in the fourth inning. Jose Ferrer then drove in three with a double in the fifth. De Castro added another RBI single to give him three RBI. Del Rosario, who homered in game one, had two more hits in game two, one of them a double.

Connor Cooke had eight K's in game two in just four innings.

Andres Tolhurst started for the FCL Jays and threw his first professional inning. Tolhurst was a 2019 draftee in the 23rd round. He has been injured a lot so his first pro inning came three years after he was drafted.

Three Stars

Third Star - Chad Dallas

Second Star - Angel Del Rosario

First Star - Orelvis Martinez

Boxes

Posted by Gerry on Friday, July 29 2022 @ 07:49 AM EDT.

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whiterasta80 - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#418275) #

I know that Moreno was just named the best prospect in baseball but is he even our best prospect? No slight intended but orelvis looks like he is taking another step.

Mike Green - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#418280) #

Nope. Orelvis continues to strike out almost 29% of the time, walk 6% of the time and hit fly balls 52% of the time. His home run/fly ball rate is 22% which is very good, but not outstanding, and he has lots of pop-ups and few line drives. It all adds up to a .213/.280/.492 line.

It's shocking to me, but Addison Barger is right now a better player (but not a better prospect because of the age difference- that too may change given their different development paths).

bpoz - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 12:43 PM EDT (#418281) #

Orelvis has youth & amazing power in AA. For me that is still potential. His bb has been quite good since May. His K rate has also been improving. I am just lookin at monthly totals rather than 1 week or 2 week totals. So for monthly Avg he is simply bad every month. I accept this for a 20 year old in AA.

Addison Barger has taken a huge leap forward. Great power, Great Avg, good bb and low K rate. Currently dominating AA as a 22 year old. So AAA next year with a chance to play in the majors. Has a very strong arm. Needs and probably gets added to avoid the rule 5 draft.

This is a nice conversation about hitting prospects. Damiano Palmegiani is another great performer. 1st full season of minor league ball. Great power, very good bb, good K rate and decent Avg for a power hitter. I believe that his defense is not that good.

I looked at the Mets Mauricio (young but has burned 1 option) and Baty to see how they compare to our 3 prospects above. Baty is incredible but Orelvis has more Hr 24-14 and is 2 years younger.

All 5 prospects look great.

Mike Green - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#418282) #

I tried to find a major league comp for Orelvis. The closest I could find is Kyle Schwarber (who has posted a .204/.307/.501 line this year). Except Orelvis walks about half as often and has less power, and pops-up almost twice as often.

bpoz - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#418285) #

In the DSL Carlos Vasquez, 5'8" 150 lb 17 year old C is doing well more bb than Ks, .338 avg. He had both hits for the DSL Jays who out hit Baltimore 2-1 and lost.

I am also going to pay attention to Daniel Guerra a 6'6" 230lb
18 year old right hander that is doing well in his 2 games this year.

greenfrog - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#418286) #

How about Buxton as a possible comp for Orelvis?

He's hitting .216/.291/.535 this year. BB rate 7.7% and K rate 30%. .319 ISO. FB rate 51.9%. wRC+ 130.

Mike Green - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#418287) #

Buxton has many fewer pop-ups and somewhat more home runs on his balls in the air (25%) And, of course, he's a lot faster so beats out more ground balls.

Orelvis would hit well under the Mendoza line in the major leagues now.

greenfrog - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#418288) #

Buxton didn't have a wRC+ over 92 until his age-25 season. In his age-22 season, he struck out 35.6% of the the time (with a 6.9% walk rate). So it has taken him a while to evolve into the player he is now.

Not sure how fast he is at this point in his career. He has 2 SB this season, compared with 29 SB when he was 23.

uglyone - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#418289) #

Any comp should be of a guy who was 20 in AA, of course.

Age 20

Buxton A+: 7.5b%/24.6k%, .298bip/.240avg, .165iso, 106wrc+
Orelvis AA: 6.3b%/29.1k%, .220bip/.213avg, .279iso, 103wrc+

Much more impressive age 20 performance by Orelvis i'd say.

85bluejay - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#418290) #

I think Zulueta & Juenger can help the pen this year so hopefully the team can add a quality lefty at the deadline & not another Brad Hand!

PeterG - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#418292) #

We have 3 guys in the pen that need to be replaced and internal options may take care of it. I would, however, trade for one good reliever if possible. Prospects that I see as trade candiadates: Groshans, Barger, Horwitz.

lexomatic - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#418293) #

Not sure how fast he is at this point in his career. He has 2 SB this season, compared with 29 SB when he was 23.

Really intersting article on Fangraphs about burst speed. TLDR is Buxton's burst speed is still waaaaay up there, but he's easing up a bit to avoid injury, so not going full speed all the time. Will need to see if it works consistently, or if this year is just luck.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/byron-buxton-tim-anderson-and-the-judicious-application-of-speed/

hypobole - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#418313) #

Otto Lopez doubled in the 1st, then hit only his 2nd HR of the year in the 2nd. And then his 3rd HR of the year in the 4th.

John Northey - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#418314) #

Thinking of the big potential trades one big question comes up - what is the value of our top 3 prospects?

Checking the past, the Jays have had a top 5 prospect (ala Moreno) in 1990, 1993, 1994 (2), 2000, 2018, 2019, and right now (Moreno was #7 at the start of the year but is #1 now via BA). Lets look closer and see what they did along with the Jays #2/3/4 prospects that year who made the top 100. (position WAR)

1990: John Olerud (1B/LHP 58), Glenallen Hill (OF 9), Alex Sanchez (RHP -0.6)
1993: Carlos Delgado (CA 44), Alex Gonzalez (SS 11), Shawn Green (OF 34)
1994: Alex Gonzalez (SS 11), Carlos Delgado (CA 44), Jose Silva (RHP -0.9)
2000: Vernon Wells (OF 28), Felipe Lopez (SS 7), Cesar Izturis (SS 11)
2018: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (3B 12), Bo Bichette (SS 10), Anthony Alford (OF 0)
2019: Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (3B 12), Bo Bichette (SS 10), Danny Jansen (C 4)
2022 mid season: Gabriel Moreno (CA 1), Ricky Tiedemann (RHP 34), no 3rd guy listed (Orelvis Martinez SS was #73 pre season)

Yes, Olerud was a pitching and hitting prospect at first but never pitched as a pro (was 15-0 one year in college). The guys who made the top 5 for the Jays were all successes to some degree, most to a great degree (Olerud/Delgado both near HOF, Wells 28 WAR, Vlad we all know and love) but Alex Gonzalez the first was decent but not a 'wow' - 11.2 WAR, never an all-star, cracked 100 for OPS+ only once (in 38 games before getting hurt). So that suggests Moreno has a great shot at being a near HOF player (2 out of 5, maybe 3 out of 5) and a very good chance of being a star (4 of 5). Do you give up 6 cheap years of that to get a HOF level player in their prime for 2 1/2 years (and a shot at signing him for more)? The rest are more challenging - flops are few but there (Sanchez, Silva, Alford), decent players common (Hill, Gonzalez, Lopez, Izturis). A Soto trade in other words is a lot higher risk than I thought at first. It is rare to have a top 5 prospect and those need to be valued highly by a team. But where to play Moreno when you have Vlad at 1B and Kirk/Jansen behind the plate and Kirk using DH a lot? A good problem but it affects trades.

greenfrog - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 09:27 PM EDT (#418324) #

Lopez now 4/4 with a single, double and two home runs.

Mike Green - Friday, July 29 2022 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#418325) #

And has walked and stolen a base. A triple and an HBP would complete a supercycle. Alas, it's not going to happen.

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