"Light-headed in the sauna and fell in the shower," Gibby says. 

In the Age of Trump, I suppose anything is possible, but I'd wager quite a bit that this is not quite the whole story.

And then I had a dream about spiders.

Isn't Barney the emergency catcher? I'm pretty sure Gibbons said that Donaldson would never play another inning at catcher again. Maybe Gibby didn't want to burn Barney with Martin unplayable

Good point. That may well have been a factor.

Yep. I wouldn't think Storen would be long for this team now. That may have been the final coffin nail.

I'm hoping none of them are operating heavy machinery.

Then I'm guessing you took a pass on the RNC last week.

Devlin's seriousness and intensity works okay in basketball, where plays happen quickly and dramatically, but is totally ill-suited to baseball.

I praised Devlin as a fine substitute for Martinez last year, but I now find myself much less impressed and agree with Dave that his high energy broadcast style is inappropriate for baseball. Still, he's not so bad that I'd pine for Buck.

Was anyone else surprised to see that of Griffey and Piazza, the latter is the one with the narrower shoulders and the more slender physique? Piazza doesn't look like an ex-catcher at all. I'm sure this has not gone unnoticed by one particularly obsessive member of the BBWAA.

I suppose if an organization profiting off of human garbage and another organization's moral deficiency is something to applaud, then sure, good job Yankees. May you and the Cubbies get everything you deserve.

jays could have matched that offer quite comfortably imo.

Considering the Jays don't have any Top 25 prospects at the moment, I really don't think they could. Quantity doesn't necessarily beat quality, and the Cubs still gave up a lot of quantity

I guess the closest Jays equivalent to Torres would be Richard Urena, whom isn't regarded at the same echelon. And Rowdy Tellez might be our best position player prospect, but in terms of trade value he's probably more equivalent to Dan Vogelbach in the Mariners swap for Mike Montgomery

I'd say Pompey + Urena is the sams value or better.

And that's your opinion, while mine is different (and worth about the same). But I'm pretty sure most prospect evaluators and the Yankees front office wouldn't agree

I like Pompey and hope he fills a big role next year with budget constraints and FAs leaving. But I think at this point, his trade value outside of Jays fandom is probably closer to Anthony Gose than Top 25 prospect, especially if he doesn't break out pronto by ST next year.

I am sorry, but where was another poster chastised dalimon5? Is there where you also tell me to 'stick to sports'? There are plenty of things I can be accused of in life, but naive and short sighted are not generally included. Especially so when it comes to the plague that is domestic violence and its rationalization and acceptance by the sporting public.

That is fair Mike and your completely your prerogative. I do not share those qualms when it comes to describing those that brutalize women. Everything else you said I agree with completely.

Jays fans are funny. Scream bloody murder about trading prospects and then give up on them in a second. There's probably a good lesson in there as to what prospects are really worth.

I hope Pompey succeeds. But I see also personally believe that like all fanbases do with their own stock, the general Jays blogosphere overvalues his worth. A prospect's value depreciates quickly when he loses eligibility and doesn't succeed immediately. I could be wrong, but I think it's unrealistic to still lump him in with the most valuable commodities in baseball

Pompey hasn't shown to have health as a skill. He's been banged up a lot of late. His AAA stats are pedestrian. He did well at AA last year, but in a SSS of 31 games. He hasn't hit well in the majors. He's been passed over again and again by management when call-ups are needed. There are questions about his mental makeup. And he has very valuable skills like speed and defence, but questions about his hit tool and power. He could be a valuable player, possibly a better hitting Kevin Pillar, but I would say the chances that he is going to be a MLB star has diminished since spring 2015 and prospects are mostly valued on their ceilings.

Which would be perfectly understandable if it was not your lack of comprehension with respect to my original comment that lead to your decision to impugn those same qualities. Nor does it actually explain what you believe my naivety to encompass, or how an abhorrence of domestic violence and its general acceptance in sport is short sighted.

Hoagie I at least found amusing. If that is the worst thing I am to be called this week it will have been a good week.

It's not the jays blogosphere that ranked him an elite prospect last year or in the link from today I just gave you.

Pompey's stock 18 months ago was probably around where Torres' is now.

All this is moot since the Jays weren't in the market for Chapman and the Yankees probably wouldn't want to trade in the division anyway

But I'd still argue that the Jays don't have the horses to make a Chapman/Pomeranz calibre addition even if they wanted to if you look at market prices for prospect capital

It's pretty hard to argue in my mind that Pompey has done anything to even maintain his stock over the last 18 months. Probably his most impressive showing has been his playoff pinch-running last year. But the Terrance Gore types are awesome to have but don't have much trade value either.

So I guess we have no idea what Pompey will become. But it's too early to give up on him. I wouldn't bring him up now just to pinch-run and be a defensive reserve, but he would be a useful September callup.

I'm certainly not ready to give up on Pompey. I think he's going to be really valuable to the team next year when we are out of money and don't re-sign most of our guys

But in my eyes, he's no longer an elite prospect in terms of trade value, especially in trading for all-star MLB talent. I think he's probably closer in value right now to Travis Snider/Anthony Gose (Brad Lincoln/Brett Wallace/Devon Travis) than Syndergaard/d'Arnaud/Hoffman/Norris (Price/Dickey/Tulowitzki)

• My disgust for Chapman, the Yankees and the Cubs is not based in politics but rather basic human decency.
• MLB the entity has spent a century and tens/hundreds of millions of dollars protecting the integrity of the game from the manufactured issues of PEDs and gambling. What significant steps before its sad wrist slap of Chapman has MLB taken to truly combat domestic violence within its ranks? Meanwhile baseball the culture shows between little and no hesitation in pursuing and celebrating the perpetrators for their skill. There is scant evidence that domestic violence has not been implicitly accepted within the game for as long as the game has been around.
• Trying to equate domestic violence with gambling, PED usage, tax evasion etc. and demanding an equivalent showing of outrage for those issues if I am to express an opinion at all shows either a deplorable lack of education on the issue or an equally deplorable disregard for it.
• “…your inability to comprehend that it’s just a part of the game that needs to be monitored, punished and dismissed as much as humanly possible, but not to the extent that team’s shouldn’t pursue players with the talent…” neatly sums up the hypocrisy of baseball’s stance and the source of my disgust.

If you would actually like to engage in a thoughtful discussion of the issue I would gladly accommodate you. However, to this point you have contributed little beyond personal insults and straw men arguments and I have no desire to bore those Bauxites that remain in this thread. Feel free to contact me via direct message if you so wish.