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The Toronto Blue Jays visit Paul Molitor and the Minnesota Twins to wrap up the month of May. The 1993 World Series MVP has skippered the Twins to a first-place tie with the Kansas City Royals in the AL Central with identical 28-18 records, 1-1/2 games ahead of Detroit. The Twins are coming off a sweep of the Boston Red Sox at Target Field and have won five in a row after taking the last two games of their series against the Chicago White Sox in the Windy City.




The Blue Jays are hoping for their first winning road trip of the season since beginning the year with a 4-2 record in New York and Baltimore during the season's opening week. They'll be hard-pressed to get it as they have the NL East-leading Washington Nationals to deal with after this three-game set against Minnesota. The Jays completed a 5-5 homestand by taking two of three against the White Sox. That leaves them with a record of 22-27 but are just 3-1/2 games behind the New York Yankees in the AL East.

Series Schedule / Probable Starters


Friday at 8:10 pm ET — Mark Buehrle (5-4, 5.13) vs Trevor May (3-3, 4.95)
Saturday at 2:10 pm ET — Aaron Sanchez (4-4, 3.98) vs Kyle Gibson (4-3, 2.72)
Sunday at 2:10 pm ET — Drew Hutchison (4-1, 5.12) vs. Ricky Nolasco (5-1, 5.12)

In roster moves, the Blue Jays have called up Bo "The Hammer" Schultz from Triple-A Buffalo. Scott Copeland was sent back down to the Bisons. Schultz will wear 47, Merkin Valdez's old digits.

Famous Schultzes


Dave Schultz



Dwight Schultz

Of note, Chris Colabello faces his former team for the first time. He is on an eight-game hitting streak, which is just less than half of that of Josh Donaldson's 17 gamer. The Jays are 12-5 against the Twins at Target Field but lost two of three there last season after dropping a doubleheader. Jose Bautista — who may return to the outfield at some point during this road trip — has hit 11 home runs in 14 games at Bullseye's Ballpark while Edwin Encarnacion has six.

Looking ahead, the Jays are off to Washington next week before returning home a week from Friday for a six-game homestand against Houston and Miami.


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John Northey - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#301473) #
Bo Schultz certain appears to have earned his promotion.  16 games, 21 1/3 IP, 15 H 7 BB 18 SO 1.69 ERA.  Nice to see guys who keep trying getting shots, you just hope he can make the most of what will probably be a brief audition.
vw_fan17 - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 06:48 PM EDT (#301474) #
What about this Schultz? I'm guessing this is the one he was teased about much more as a kid.. :-)
<img src="http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjE4Mzg3OTgxNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTM0MDgxOA@@._V1_SY317_CR101,0,214,317_AL_.jpg"></img><br>Sgt. Schultz

vw_fan17 - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 06:50 PM EDT (#301475) #
Allright, well, I tried.. The editor DOES say the "img" tag is allowed, and I tested img tag, and it worked on my browser in its own .html file.. Sorry..
uglyone - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 06:56 PM EDT (#301476) #
the quotes messed it up.
vw_fan17 - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#301477) #
Thanks.
JB21 - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#301481) #
So... Josh Donaldson. Where would we be without him?
cybercavalier - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#301483) #
So... Chris de circuit. When could we win in this game without Colabello ?
Petey Baseball - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#301484) #
Although the wins haven't piled up like they did in May '14, this is the most promising stretch of baseball the Jays have played since then, IMO. A couple of unlucky losses in the Angels series is the only thing that's kept them from a big run since the debacle in Houston.

The most encouraging thing for me has been the consistency of the offence. As long as Reyes, Bautista, Encarnacion, and Donaldson are healthy and in the lineup, it's hard to picture the team EVER going into a slump.

If A.A. can add another decent starter and a reliever this summer, these other AL East teams might be in our dust when it's all said and done.
uglyone - Friday, May 29 2015 @ 11:47 PM EDT (#301485) #
might be the most satisfying win of the year. What a leaderbeans performance from Buehrle - so bad to start that Tepera was warming up in the first inning, then perfect the rest of the way.

And oh yeah, Donaldson is the best player on the team, and will win MVP if we can get into the playoffs.

And good for Cola. That must have felt good.

against the hottest team in baseball, this is the kind of win that could be a real teambuilder. meanwhile, the rest of the division lost, so now we're 2.5gms back of first. Now is the time for a run.
JB21 - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 12:20 AM EDT (#301486) #
O's won, Yank's are still playing, FYI.
scottt - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 05:30 AM EDT (#301487) #
5-5 in the last 10 isn't that exiting. It's just that only Baltimore has done better with 6-4. Everybody else is 3-7.

greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 10:00 AM EDT (#301488) #
Gibson has been pitching well of late (7 ER in his last six starts). Let's hope Sanchez stays hot this afternoon.
Mike Green - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#301489) #
Gibbons made a good decision to leave Buehrle in for the 9th despite his pitch count.  It was the conventional decision but also the right one, I thought. In the overall spirit of goodwill, it should be noted that China Fan noticed Colabello's offensive potential and the possible effect of his thumb injury.  He's not going to be hitting .379 at the end of the year, but it may be that his .200 IsoP is for real.  In which case, he is a useful bat.

The pitchers are finding the strike zone; the walk rate in May has not been great but much better than April.  None too soon.

scottt - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 11:39 AM EDT (#301490) #
Cola is slowing down only hitting .429 in the last 7 games.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#301491) #
I am thrilled with Colabello's offensive production, but I also remember the arc of Juan Francisco's season last year. Like Colabello, Francisco was a defensively limited player with a power-based career 100 OPS+ who got off to a scorching start. However, Francisco really struggled after that and his numbers fell off precipitously. Time will tell whether Colabello can write a different script for 2015.
uglyone - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#301492) #
encouraging numbers for cola....while he has a ridiculous .483babip over his 95pa so far to help him to a 188wrc+....over his last 55pa that's dropped way down to a more reasonable .353babip...and he's still managed to post a 164wrc+. That'll play even if the babip regresses a bit further.

First 40pa: 5.0bb%, 27.5k%, .654babip, .474avg, .158iso, 221wrc+
Last 55pa: 10.9bb%, 21.8k%, .353babip, .306avg, .265iso, 164wrc+

that first line is a weird fluky babip/avg high strikeout low power unsustainable performance.

that second line looks much more like a legit slugger's performance.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 12:53 PM EDT (#301493) #
Interestingly, Colabello's 2015 AAA line is virtually identical to his 2015 MLB line (component stats included). He's actually had 190 outstanding PA so far this year, not just the 95 PA he's accumulated in the majors.
Gerry - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#301494) #
Word out of Buffalo is that Kawasaki is on his way back up. Could be that Tolleson heads to the DL, he was unavailable a couple of days ago with an injury.
Gerry - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#301495) #
John Lott gets the credit for that report.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#301496) #
Nice job by Sanchez to strike out Escobar and Herrmann to end the fourth and keep the game close.
JB21 - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#301497) #
Travis isn't playing today in Buffalo because his shoulder is sore. And apparently Izturis has a tear in his shoulder.

Rough couple days for the second basemen.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#301498) #
It would be nice if the Jays let their players heal fully before having them resume play.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#301499) #
Horrible PAs by Pillar, Goins and Reyes with runners on second and third and (initially) none out, resulting in a K, popup, K.
pooks137 - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#301500) #

It would be nice if the Jays let their players heal fully before having them resume play.

I'm a physician. People seem to think that predicting healing and sports medicine in general is a lot more linear and absolute than it actually is.

There is obviously expected timeframes and rehab schedules that most injuries and individuals fall in. But a lot of clearing someone to resume their previous activities involves "Take this amount of recommended time off. If it feels better, return slowly to previous activities. If it hurts a little bit, it's probably okay. If it hurts a lot, stop and slow down, time to rethink the plan."

Everytime there is a setback during rehab doesn't usually mean that someone is an idiot/incompetent

Mike Green - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#301501) #
Interesting choice of relief pitcher.  Hicks hits lefties a lot better than right-handed pitchers.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#301502) #
Pooks, that makes sense. It just seems that the Jays have had a lot of players come back quickly from injuries or illnesses, only to experience setbacks or prolonged recoveries (Janssen, Lind, Lawrie, Reyes, Saunders, to name a few). And Lind has publicly questioned the medical treatment he was given in Toronto, including the missed diagnosis of a foot fracture.

It must be hard to assess the performance of any given team's medical staff, because any lingering issues, setbacks, etc. can always be attributed to the phenomenon you describe, rather than to the competence of the medical staff.
scottt - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#301503) #
It's not the players coming back too soon that exasperates me, it's the guys playing while injured of day-to-day for 10 days before hitting the DL.

I don't see how you can play pro baseball if you don't have your full motion range.

Mike Green - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#301504) #
There is obviously expected timeframes and rehab schedules that most injuries and individuals fall in. But a lot of clearing someone to resume their previous activities involves "Take this amount of recommended time off. If it feels better, return slowly to previous activities. If it hurts a little bit, it's probably okay. If it hurts a lot, stop and slow down, time to rethink the plan."

There is probably quite a bit more to it for professional athletes, for a couple of reasons.  The level of activity demanded is generally quite high.  Travis did DH yesterday, but even swinging a bat isn't the easiest thing on a shoulder.  And clubs can and do spend resources to ascertain pace of recovery that you wouldn't see for an average person.  The Red Sox have spent a lot of money on this very issue.
BlueJayWay - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#301505) #
Well, so that's 3-11 in one run games, and this thing has been going on a while: http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/5/28/8676745/why-are-the-jays-terrible-in-close-games-this-century
jerjapan - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#301506) #
Thanks for the professional input Pooks.  IMO, if athletes only played when they were 100%, lots of guys wouldn't be playing.  it's for sure frustrating as a Jays fan watching some of the lingering / persistent injury problems, but when I was coaching, I just had to trust that my athletes knew themselves well enough to make the call themselves.  pro players certainly don't get to the bigs without knowing their bodies and their limitations.

Frustrating loss.  Greenfrog called it, those ABs with runners on 2nd and 3rd and no outs were the ballgame right there. 

Loup isn't looking like himself to me these days.

and kudos to Zaun for calling out the hitters for their approach and Carrera for that unnecessary jump that went for a triple.  he can be an old-school blowhard, but sometimes i think that old-school blowhards are right on. 

scottt - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#301507) #
There is a culture of playing injured in pro baseball. Players that refuses to pitch because they don't feel comfortable for example. Burnett, Hayhurst,  I'm sure there is a long list just in TO.  And of course look at Cal Ripken.

You can't rely on the players because they are not making the decisions, their teammates are.



greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 06:32 PM EDT (#301508) #
I thought Sanchez's start today was encouraging. Over his last three starts, Sanchez has posted the following results:

20 IP, 20 H, 7 ER, 3 HR, 8 BB, 14 K

I like that his BB:K and BB:IP ratios are improving. He has been holding his own in the rotation of late.

BlueJayWay - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#301509) #
You really wanna hear some crazy shit? Only Oakland and Boston (and them just barely) have a worse winning % than us in the AL. And only KC has a better run differential.
ComebyDeanChance - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#301510) #
People seem to think that predicting healing and sports medicine in general is a lot more linear and absolute than it actually is.

Amen. I think it was Mike who wrote something similar recently.
uglyone - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#301511) #
damn that was frustrating.

take 2 of 3 from the hottest team around and i'm still happy, thoughm
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#301512) #
People seem to think that predicting healing and sports medicine in general is a lot more linear and absolute than it actually is.

I think it's possible to accept this proposition and still wonder whether the Jays are doing a good job of preventing and treating/managing injuries.
JB21 - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#301513) #
From John Lott's twitter account.

Felix Doubront this evening in Buffalo: 7IP/6H/2R/2BB/5K/102 pitches-63 strikes. ERA rises from 0.00 to 0.82.
hypobole - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#301514) #
Wanna see a pitching line?

Sean Reid-Foley for Lansing tonight 5.2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 10 K's.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#301515) #
There are now only five teams in baseball with a better run differential than the Jays.

And only seven teams with a worse W-L record.

The Jays need to straighten out this nonsense, stat.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#301516) #
Wanna see a pitching line?

Good to see, although it should be noted that only two players in Dayton's (the opposing team's) lineup had an OPS of 700 or more (Reynoso at 701 and Kronenfeld at 735). The OPS of the rest of the hitters ranged from 545 to 689.
cybercavalier - Saturday, May 30 2015 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#301518) #
How about John Axford ? Davidi has said in a recent Sportsnet article:

General manager Alex Anthopoulos can certainly help matters by adding a bullpen arm, and once the draft wraps up in about two weeks, teams will shift focus to the trade market. While Jonathan Papelbon seems the obvious answer, that’s not happening unless the Philadelphia Phillies eat a substantial portion of his salary and settle for a lower-level prospect, non-starters thus far. A more mid-range option like John Axford – eligible to be dealt by the Colorado Rockies without his consent once the veto period for free agents signed last winter passes June 15 – might make more sense in both acquisition cost and payroll allocation.

Chuck - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#301519) #
The Jays need to straighten out this nonsense, stat.

That also works without the comma.

Paul D - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 12:32 AM EDT (#301520) #
I was at today's game. I think Gibbons has a Loup problem. He has neither the profile nor the record to justify his current use.
finch - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 12:45 AM EDT (#301521) #
Why did the Jays trade catcher, Carlos Perez? He's actually playing really well for the California Angels
Jonny German - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 02:54 AM EDT (#301522) #
When Perez was traded the Jays still had Arencibia, D'Arnaud, and Yan Gomes. And a .283 OBP doesn't not compute with "playing really well". Not that 46 PA are meaningful, either.
Jonny German - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 03:04 AM EDT (#301523) #
The Jays latest reclamation project is Phil Coke. I don't see any reason to expect him to be better than Rasmussen, but it would amuse me to have Coke & Cola on the roster together.
Chuck - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 08:02 AM EDT (#301524) #
Coke & Cola on the roster together.

New business model: product placement.

Chuck - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 08:08 AM EDT (#301525) #
I think Gibbons has a Loup problem. He has neither the profile nor the record to justify his current use.

I agree and have argued this very position before. With Loup's career 526/739 split, Gibbons cannot be so cavalier about pitching him against a string of RHB in high leverage situations.

hypobole - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 10:16 AM EDT (#301526) #
Random posts seem to show up on the "Hot Topics" list, guessing because of spammers. For amusement, or lack thereof, check out the one entitled "Early Look at College Hitters"

In particular, 2 senior catchers, both playing in the SEC at the time. The batting line for one was far superior in almost aspects to the other, and the superior catcher went 21st, the other 48th that year.

The superior catcher did stick behind the plate longer than the lesser catcher, but my oh my how their careers have diverged.
92-93 - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 10:36 AM EDT (#301527) #
I noticed that too, hypobole. I searched the thread hoping to find somebody who liked the bringer of rain, but nobody mentioned him.
greenfrog - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#301528) #
I remember around the time of the draft Ricciardi touted Arencibia as a catcher who could end up hitting .240 - .260 in the majors with power.

He was almost right. Arencibia ended up as an ML power-hitting catcher with an OBP of between .240 and .260.
finch - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 01:06 PM EDT (#301529) #
"And a .283 OBP doesn't not compute with "playing really well". Not that 46 PA are meaningful, either."

No, but a near .800 OPS is pretty nice for 50 ABs for a C. You wouldn't take that over Josh Thole?
China fan - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#301531) #
"....I think it's possible to accept this proposition and still wonder whether the Jays are doing a good job of preventing and treating/managing injuries...."

I think it's totally permissible to wonder about anyone's performance, but I have a fair amount of sympathy for the Jays medical and training staff, as I've mentioned before, simply because it can be so incredibly difficult to diagnose and treat a player's injury and to send him on a linear straight-line recovery path.  The latest evidence is Devon Travis.  Hit in the collarbone by a ball on April 30.  Nothing broken, but some inflammation.  For days afterwards, there was pain when he swung the bat, but -- like most players -- he preferred to play through the pain.  (If you were the trainer or manager, would you put a player on the DL if he is experiencing pain?  Depends, right?  Hard to make a simple call on that.  Is the player being foolhardy or reckless, or is he just being tough and ignoring a minor injury that isn't hampering him too much?)  So he finally goes onto the DL on May 17, then begins his rehab stint in Buffalo on Friday.  He has four ABs on Friday -- and has no pain.  Everything seems fine.  And then, after the game, the pain returns.  By today, the pain is still there.  So the Jays have shut him down for a week and sent him to Dunedin for rest and treatment.  Now, how much of this was preventable or predictable?  Probably none of it, in my view.  Someone else might disagree, but even Travis himself thought he was pain-free on Friday night -- and then he's back in pain again.  It's complicated.  Hard to predict or diagnose.

 
greenfrog - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#301532) #
If you were the trainer or manager, would you put a player on the DL if he is experiencing pain? Depends, right? Hard to make a simple call on that.

This is why MLB teams hire professional medical staff - to make professional assessments and recommendations. Yes, it's hard to get it precisely right in each instance. On the other hand, it's easy to understand why (for example) Lind was upset when the team misdiagnosed his foot fracture as a bone bruise. It's reasonable to expect that a professional sports teams with an enormous budget would be able to provide medical care with a certain degree of accuracy and sophistication.

http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/mlb/former-blue-jay-adam-linds-comments-brew-up-news-at-spring-training
uglyone - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#301533) #
rough start for hutch, but he settled in nicely......but then got torched 3rd time through. too bad. he's gotta do better.

tie game in the late innings for the series win against the best homefield team in the league. let's see if we can get it done.

a couple good innings from osuna here would be nice.
Alex Obal - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#301534) #
I don't know anything about any of this. It sounds like the process depends heavily on input from the players, who think they have an incentive to understate their pain, which only makes the trainers' job tougher. You want your players to be as forthcoming as possible. There are probably things you can do as an organization to encourage that.

Plouffe's homer was Hutchison's 82nd pitch. I want to see splits on how Hutch pitches when there is someone throwing in the bullpen versus when there isn't.
greenfrog - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#301535) #
Josh Donaldson is good at baseball.
uglyone - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#301536) #
can the pen hold this?

it took osuna 19 pitches to get those 2 outs. I still bring him back out for the #8 and 9 hitters, and then hope he's quick enough to be able to face dozier for the 3rd out. the next dozier at bat is the key one for the pen i think. hope osuna is still in for it.
uglyone - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#301537) #
christ.

i blame reyes.
christaylor - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#301538) #
Lind ought to have had an MRI, but with his injury other damage might have hindered a scan. He tried to play. He says so in the article -- I'm not a medical deyoctor, but I know from experience patients have to work with their physicians to get the care and tests that are appropriate.

The physicians I have worked with are professionals and there's no doubt the Jays staff is too -- in my research I have done more sensitive and sophisticated tests that would not normally have been done. In at least one case, a physician took a closer look because of those tests. Does this mean he's not a professional? No because the patient volunteered to spend their time to participate in tests that were not standard medical treatment.

That said, citing Lind on anything Blue Jays or even medical, is probably not going to the most reliable source. I don't think it is unfair that he did not take care of himself, particularly with respect to his back issue.
christaylor - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#301539) #
Yep. Reyes.

That said, how many managers allow Osuna to keep pitching?

No confidence in the rest of the pen and dollars to donuts Loup isn't going to be used as a LOOGY here... and it will probably backfire.
christaylor - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#301540) #
...I'm glad I was wrong. That said, can the offense come back?
uglyone - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#301541) #
no way i would have taken osuna out there, personally. he's the guy i want fwcing the righties at the top of the order.

really, reyes and cola both should have had outs there and out of the inning with a lead.
John Northey - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#301542) #
The Jays are a team that really could've used a DH for every position.
Defense...
1B: Smoak
2B: a few choices
3B: Donaldson
SS: Goins
LF: Pillar
CF:Pompey
RF: not sure who is best here
CA: Martin

Offense...
1B: Encarnacion
2B: not sure
3B: Donaldson
SS: Reyes
LF: Cola
CF: pretty much anyone but Pillar or Pompey
RF: Bautista
CA: Martin

Sadly we still need Reyes to play somewhere and SS is about it for open slots, Cola is limited to LF/DH, EE should be DH, Bautista is limited to DH lately, ...

Sigh. This is a team that with a HOF calibre manager could win but I don't think we have that.

Chuck - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#301543) #
Not watching. Listening to radio broadcast. Jerry Howarth, who can find something nice to say about anyone, ripped into Reyes pretty good saying that Goins was obviously the team's best shortstop and that Reyes was in serious decline and, paraphrasing here, hurting the team. It was an unrestrained attack on Reyes, the likes of which I've not heard come out of Howarth's mouth before.
katman - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#301544) #
I think Colabello's bat may be legit. I also think we can't afford to have him in the field any more. He has cost us 3 runs in this game alone. Which is to say, the eye test tracks with stats that say he gives his hitting WAR right back with defense. And now we're going to add Navarro back. While having no outfield alternatives. Joy.

Reyes' return just makes the overall pattern worse. Goins is not a good hitter - but anyone have stats re: how he has compared to Reyes when defense is factored in? Is Reyes a net plus, and by how much?
China fan - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#301545) #
Obviously the Reyes and Colabello errors were a big part of the problem today, but I'm also very concerned about the bullpen.  Osuna has now had a couple of bad outings in a row, and that should be a concern.  (Yes, one of the runs was unearned today, but he still allowed 3 of 7 hitters to reach base.)  Osuna had a great start to the season, but we really don't know if we can count on him as a high-leverage reliever for the whole season.  Most of the rest of the bullpen has been patchy and unpredictable.  You can't blame Gibbons for choosing the wrong pitchers in the late innings, when so few of his relievers are really reliable.  It was up to Anthopoulos to build a strong bullpen, and he's had about 8 months to do so, and he still hasn't done it.  It's been an obvious problem, and it's clearly one of the reasons for the proliferation of one-run losses.  Sure, you can argue that the Stroman injury has forced Estrada into the rotation, but even with Estrada the bullpen didn't look better.  And the relative success of Osuna and Hendriks (most of the time) was an unexpected windfall that AA shouldn't have been counting on.   He should have acquired a couple of better relievers, even if it cost him a prospect or a few million dollars. Even if relievers are inherently unpredictable, this revolving door of Tepera/Copeland/Albers/Delabar/Schultz/Hynes/Francis/Redmond/Jenkins was really unlikely to solve the fundamental problem of a lack of high-leverage relievers.
greenfrog - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 06:02 PM EDT (#301546) #
With Pompey hitting .150 over his last ten games in AAA, it doesn't look like help is on the way any time soon. Tough situation for the Jays.
jerjapan - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 06:33 PM EDT (#301547) #
I'm a big AA fan, but as Stoeten was arguing a few days back he needs to make a trade to shore up the team soon - an area that has been a weakness for him in the past.  One proposal i saw earlier was for Carlos Gomez and a reliever with the Brewers - they are in rough shape in MLB and on the farm and with Gonzalez not on peak offensive form (but still looking great with the glove) we could possibly make the deal for three or four prospects outside of our top 6 - Reid-Foley / Smith Jr. / Smoral / Matt Boyd types. 

As for catcher Carlos Perez, he was part of the deadline deal for Happ which seemed to work out well for the Jays - Perez is the only prospect sent to Houston that has amounted to much, and he was taken off the 40 man a year or two ago and available to anyone who wanted him in the rule v.   
Charlie - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 07:02 PM EDT (#301548) #
Why can't Reyes be moved to 2B and Goins to SS?
Chuck - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#301549) #
Why can't Reyes be moved to 2B and Goins to SS?

Reyes hasn't played 2B in over a decade and you also have one guy making $20M and one guy making $500K, so you know which player is going to be accommodated.

You'd like to think the organization will at least consider moving Reyes off SS this coming off-season. With Travis and Donaldson firmly entrenched at 2B and 3B (I'd be very disappointed to see Travis fall so badly over the balance of the season that he has lost his grip on his position), LF would seem to be the only halfway realistic destination left for Reyes.

Magpie - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#301550) #
What Chinafan said. Except louder.

Building a bullpen just shouldn't be this hard. There is no shortage of pitchers who can help you, one inning at a time. (Look at what Houston's crew of retreads has done.) But they're not going to help you if they're going in and out the revolving door that has been this organization's basic approach to building a bullpen for several years.

Incidentally, with Dioner Navarro set to return, what are the chances that we might see this in the none-too-distant future.

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John Northey - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#301551) #
At this point I'd like to see AA pull off another miracle and find a trading partner who wants Reyes and will take that contract off the Jays hands.  Sadly there are only so many GM's who would do that type of trade and their careers are often on edge.  Think the Mets could possibly be crazy enough?  Their 3B and CF situations are horrid (65 and 67 OPS+) - Wriight is on the DL.  d'Arnaud is also DL'ed and the regular has a 57 OPS+, could the Mets be crazy enough to take the two frustrating contracts off the Jays hands (Navarro & Reyes)?  I'd take nada if they'd take them and their contracts as $27 mil this year could go a long way in a trade.  I suggest it just because the Mets are very close right now (just 1 1/2 out) and might be feeling the pressure to win now and if so then their GM could be talked into doing something he normally wouldn't.
Mike Green - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#301552) #
Building a bullpen just shouldn't be this hard. There is no shortage of pitchers who can help you, one inning at a time. (Look at what Houston's crew of retreads has done.) But they're not going to help you if they're going in and out the revolving door that has been this organization's basic approach to building a bullpen for several years.

Don't agree at all.  I see as much talent in this bullpen as in many others (although obviously not as much as the Yankee pen).  Gibbons' usage pattern leads to more wear on arms which leads to the revolving door (especially for the #6, #7 and #8 slots in the pen).  I don't think that's a huge deal, in any event. 

If that wasn't the game that exposed the effect of having Colabello in the outfield, I don't know what would be.  The metrics suggest he is about -50R/150G in the outfield over his career and the eyes say that number is pretty close to being accurate.  You simply cannot have him out there. 
John Northey - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#301553) #
The pen having #7/8 revolving is perfectly fine as it makes a 7 man pen into an 8 or 9 man pen.  The trick is the manager using each piece properly to maximize potential effectiveness.  IE: If you have a pure LOOGY use him that way (Loup), if you have guys who can only go through a lineup twice use them that way (Hutchison), if they are best when starting an inning use them that way (most relievers)
Mike Green - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#301554) #
Zaun ripped Reyes as well.  I've been hard on Reyes in the past, but I would have been more generous today at least about his fielding error.  It was a bounced throw that was easily scoopable, but that's not Edwin's forte. 
Four Seamer - Sunday, May 31 2015 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#301555) #
I wasn't listening at the time of the error, but he might still have been sore about his baserunning blunder. Jerry and Joe, albeit in their usual sugarcoated genial way, were both quite critical of him for that (and previous baserunning errors they called to mind). My ears definitely perk up when Jerry gets the least bit critical, as it takes a lot to move him to that state.
finch - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 01:13 AM EDT (#301556) #
You'll see Dwight Smith Jr in the OF before Russell Martin.
Michael - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 05:37 AM EDT (#301557) #
While I think there are clear problems, a bit more health would fix some things. Also, there was a little too much harshly made about some of the things from this game.

Osuna pitched ok. There was a throwing error that should have been an out and a fly ball that also should have been an out.

Reyes's base running error wasn't that bad when viewed in replay. At the time at live speed I thought it was horrible because the ball beat him to second by quite a bit, but when you see the replay the fielder was on his butt and wasn't going to be able to throw to second so Reyes went. The fielder instead threw it to a different fielder who wasn't all that close to him, and that fielder threw it to second on a bad angle for fielding and tagging. Even with both throws being pretty much as good as possible given the situation, and the catch and throw and catch and tag being executed well, it was still a reviewable play that looked safe from a couple of angles, but was just out by the best angle. If it takes an unconventional relay and multiple players doing things just right to get you, then it was likely quite reasonable to go. I know the big 3 bats were coming up, and know they hit a lot of extra bases, but it is still easier to score from 2nd with no one out. And it is a tie game late in the game. Fly ball advances and scoring on singles are possible from there. I'm not positive it was right to go, but I don't think it was a clearly wrong major blunder.
China fan - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 06:17 AM EDT (#301558) #
".... I see as much talent in this bullpen as in many others...."

I'm surprised you would say that.  I don't see a lock-down late-inning reliever in this bullpen, especially if Osuna is beginning to be exposed a little, as I fear he is.  It's fine to have a 20-year-old in the bullpen, if he is surrounded by several other strong pitchers, but not if the manager is forced to rely on him so heavily.  Loup seems to be in decline, and he's being over-used because of a lack of alternatives.  Cecil is not bad, but far from lock-down status.  The rest are simply the survivors of the spring-training game of throwing 20 marginal relievers at the wall to see which ones would stick.


Mike Green - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 08:19 AM EDT (#301561) #
Interesting comment about Reyes' baserunning, Michael.  The most stinging criticism I heard was that Reyes didn't run hard out of the box- if he had, the play at second would not have been close.

As for the bullpen, the major league leading bullpen in WPA would be the Twins.  I look at their bullpen and am far from impressed with the talent.  Do I think Glen Perkins is a better pitcher than Brett Cecil?  Nope.  Ryan Pressly, Casey Fien. Blaine Boyer and J.R. Graham may have more talent than the Jay set-up crew but you have to squint real hard to persuade yourself that this is true. 
Chuck - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 09:04 AM EDT (#301562) #
I think with Reyes, it didn't help that he was recently thrown out at third base with two outs, trying to stretch a double into a triple. While he's been a high percentage base stealer his whole career, suggesting someone who takes calculated risks, his baserunning seems much less calculated. Whether he is trying to make up for lost time, or has not realized he has slowed down a little from his 20s, or is just a reckless crazy man, I don't know.
Mike Green - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 09:52 AM EDT (#301563) #
Whether he is trying to make up for lost time

I'd put my money on this one, although who really knows.  It may also be that he is trying too hard to earn his large salary.  Reyes is a funny mixture of talents- a good hitter who usually stays within himself, a shortstop with the talent to be very good but not in fact good due to positioning/reaction issues and an inconsistent arm, a fine basestealer but sometimes a head case on the basepaths.  He is cheerful and tries his best, and I think that on balance he helps a club, it's just that $22 million number that is hard to bear.  A contract is a contract...
92-93 - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 10:38 AM EDT (#301565) #
"(Look at what Houston's crew of retreads has done.)"

Are you referring to Qualls, Gregerson, and Neshek, pitchers the Astros actually decided to spend money on to bolster their bullpen?
China fan - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 11:29 AM EDT (#301567) #
As he defends the Jays bullpen, Mike will be annoyed by this excerpt from Jeff Blair's column today:

This weekend only reinforced the idea that adding a top-notch arm to the bullpen should be job No. 1, now that Roberto Osuna has traded in his Superman cape for a 20-year-old rookie’s uniform, but as with the case of adding an outfielder, the Blue Jays are said to have come to an internal realization that to make a significant bullpen move – more than signing an out-of-work free-agent – they will need to trade one of their pitching prospects.
Jevant - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 11:43 AM EDT (#301568) #
And then goes on to mention Norris could be the piece to do it?  That worries me.
electric carrot - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#301569) #
I think the best advise for Alex at the moment is on the front cover of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.  DON'T PANIC.  Can we please check in again in about 3 weeks and see where this team's needs are? I don't want to see Alex do much till then.
uglyone - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#301570) #
this game had nothing to do with the relievers.

hutch, the defense, and a failure to hut with risp were all bigger reasons for the loss.
Alex Obal - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 12:34 PM EDT (#301571) #
Norris for Betances, I assume? Or maybe Chapman?

There is no shortage of pitchers who can help you, one inning at a time

Well, okay. But:
(1) The established safe bets are going to cost you money.
(2) Sure there are many pitchers who can help you one inning at a time, but there are even more pitchers who can hurt you one inning at a time.
(3) It's hard to tell the difference based on 6 weeks of performance. When do you decide that your experiment isn't working?

It's easy to point at some team that hit the jackpot on its bullpen lottery tickets (Will Harris) and say why can't we do that, but life is messy. Ideally you'd create an infrastructure that lets you reliably build your own decent relievers out of failed SP prospects - that's probably extra helpful if your team plays in a strange foreign city. I agree with the broader point that they should just pick six or seven guys they believe in and commit to them, and that goes for both the GM and the field manager. They should cut down on the mid-inning pitching changes and not be shy about giving anyone medium-leverage work. That absolutely includes Tepera and, once he gets his feet wet, Schultz.
92-93 - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#301572) #
"Norris for Betances, I assume? Or maybe Chapman?"

When I suggested trading a legitimate prospect for Papelbon at half price this winter, nobody on this site had any interest whatsoever.
Alex Obal - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#301573) #
I mean, Papelbon isn't much of a floor spacer, and as an on-ball defender he's only slightly quicker than Greivis Vasquez. I figured better just let the Brazilians grow into rotation players and in the meantime see how far this team can take itself. Not that far, as it turned out, unless Lowry's in God mode. (And anyway, the salaries have to match, right?)

If you're looking to buy low, maybe you could try to trade Maicer Izturis for Steve Cishek. I don't know.
Mike Green - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#301574) #
I've forgotten the discussion.  "Legitimate" prospect covers a lot of ground, from Daniel Norris to Miguel Castro to Ryan Borucki.  I like all three of these prospects, but have a different reaction to trading Norris to Borucki (duh).  In any event, I think that the main sticking ground is $.  When the Jays acquired Donaldson and Martin, I feared (from the construction of Martin's contract) that the payroll limit had been reached.  That seems to be the case. You can argue about whether Rogers is well-advised to set the payroll limit where it is (given the currency fluctuations) and whether Anthopoulos made good decisions in the off-season given the payroll limit, but it does seem to me to be natural given what now appear to have been the payroll limitations that the club doesn't have $ to spend on an established reliever.  For what it's worth, I generally approve of Anthopoulos' decisions in the off-season (and I seem to have been quite wrong about my reservations concerning the Donaldson acquisition).  I also wonder about Rogers' planning for currency fluctuations- wouldn't it be possible for an organization of Rogers that has a division (the Blue Jays) which has revenues in Canadian dollars and expenses in American dollars to hedge its bets so that it could have a buffer over the medium term which would help in a situation like this one? 


Jevant - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 01:48 PM EDT (#301575) #
If money wasn't an issue, you'd have to think they would have claimed De Aza, for example.  Completely agreed re: money, and that's probably the most frustrating thing about this team.  A bit better luck, and they'd be in great shape.  A bit more money invested, and they may not need the luck.
Mike Green - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#301576) #
Speaking of relievers, how would you plan for the Nationals?  You've got Dickey, Estrada and Buehrle starting.  I want Loup to face Harper in the middle innings in the first two games if it's an important situation, and I don't want him to face Zimmerman.  I'd like to give Hendriks and Osuna the day off tonight (if possible), which means someone else might have to complete the 6th and 7th innings (perhaps a double switch would be required) after Loup before Delabar and Cecil come on.  The second and third games are easier- I'd plan to follow Estrada with Loup and then Hendriks.  Osuna threw 32 pitches in his inning yesterday, and I'd give him a couple of days off but he'd be perfect to follow Buehrle. 

On the other hand, just getting to the 6th inning tonight in a close game would be a pretty good result.
Magpie - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#301577) #
The pen having #7/8 revolving is perfectly fine

Disagree strongly. I rather think sending guys to the mound with the mind-set that "I give up a run here, I shuffle off to Buffalo" is kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that's certainly what they have to be thinking, if they've been paying any attention at all.
whiterasta80 - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#301578) #
Our plan is that we are going to get three consecutive complete game shutouts.

Wait, that's not planning? You mean we need reasonable contingencies beyond what we just outlined?

- Signed Blue Jays Management-
whiterasta80 - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#301579) #
Magpie,

I agree with your point if the decision to move someone in the 7 or 8 slot is predicated on performance. However if the decision to move someone with options to AAA is predicated on availability (as it should be) then I don't know that it would affect somebody that much.
TangledUpInBlue - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#301580) #
Any suggestion that they'd trade Norris for a reliever is crazy talk. There's no way Anthopoulos is contemplating that.

Actually, the bullpen is just fine. By xFIP, the Jays have the 4th best bullpen in the AL this year. By SIERA, it's 3rd best.

So kudos to Anthopoulos for not wasting prospects or money in the off-season on something that you can put together for cheap. Although he may have tried, who knows. Shi Davidi has a story on how close Zach Duke came to signing with Toronto in the off-season. Instead he signed with the White Sox for $15M/3 and has so far put up a -0.1 fWAR. That's how it goes with relievers -- you sign some guy and you can easily waste a bunch of money.
92-93 - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#301582) #
So a Rogers employee floats a story about how the Blue Jays tried spending money on a certain reliever, and it turns out he hasn't been good? Yeah, you can count me as seriously skeptical about that one.
Mike Green - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#301583) #
Magpie, most teams do revolve their #7 relievers, and having a #8 is a reflection of a particular style of bullpen management.  The concept is the recycling of nearby close arms for low leverage work. 

The Blue Jay bullpen is #20 of 30 teams in ERA, #16 of 30 teams in FIP, and #10 of 30 teams in xFIP.  They are last in WPA.  The major problem as I see it, has not been the talent, but the failure to optimize the talent.  The fact that Andrew Albers and Jeff Francis and Colt Hynes and Ryan Tepera and Scott Copeland have not been awe-inspiring has little to do with the club faring so poorly overall. 

Jevant - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#301584) #
This is probably one of the best arguments in those criticizing Gibbons, I think, on the assumption that he has some input as to whom is brought up and called down and how frequently that happens.

The flip side is that outside of this, I've been pretty content with the way Gibbons has handled the BP.  So overall, I've been a fan of his bullpen management, but if he's been responsible for the up and downs of the 7/8 spot, I think AA should be stepping in and putting a stop to that.

Magpie - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#301585) #
I don't know that it would affect somebody that much.

Nobody wants to go to Buffalo. Nobody cares what the reason might be.

I think this type of roster management encourages guys with 93 mph fastballs to try and throw 95. That never ends well. At any rate - it ain't working.
Magpie - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#301586) #
By xFIP, the Jays have the 4th best bullpen in the AL this year. By SIERA, it's 3rd best.

If only that's how they kept score. The fact that peripheral numbers suggest the results should have been better does not actually make the results better, and only two AL bullpens (Texas and Oakland) allow more runs.
TangledUpInBlue - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#301587) #
Now here's how randomness plays into our perceptions of bullpens. If you look at bullpen ERAs in the American League, you get a huge difference between the best and the worst:

1. Royals, 1.87
15. Athletics, 4.76

But if you look at xFIP, it's not nearly so stark, more like a run-and-a-half, but even that exaggerates things. This is the ranking by xFIP (SIERA is similar):

1. Astros, 2.94
2. Yankees, 3.52
3. White Sox, 3.54
4. Blue Jays, 3.63
5. Indians, 3.69
6. Royals, 3.76
7. Orioles, 3.83
8. Angels, 3.92
9. Tigers, 4.05
10. Rays, 4.07
11. Rangers, 4.20
12. A's, 4.21
13. Red Sox, 4.24
14. Mariners, 4.26
15. Twins, 4.42

So the Astros (not the middle-of-the-pack Royals) are far out in front, but from #2 to #15, you get less than a one-run difference. They're all kind of the same. Not quite, of course, and these are high-leverage innings and all that, but pretty close. That's why they're considered fungible and that's why a GM (at least one who's on a limited budget) shouldn't waste money or prospects on them.

So the idea (mentioned above) of bringing 15 guys into camp, throwing them against a wall, and seeing what sticks -- it kind of works.
92-93 - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#301588) #
"At any rate - it ain't working."

And as has been pointed out already, the complaints about the bullpen have little to do with the revolving door in the back end, but is directly related to the performance of Cecil, Castro, Osuna, Hendriks, Loup, and Delabar in tight spots. None of those relievers has really been looking over his back whilst pitching.
China fan - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#301589) #
"....Instead he signed with the White Sox for $15M/3 and has so far put up a -0.1 fWAR...."

On the other hand, Baseball Reference calculates Duke's rWAR as 0.4, which would make him the second-best pitcher in the Jays bullpen, behind only Osuna, if the Jays had managed to sign him.

Whichever measure you use, I think it's clear that Duke would be better than at least half of the revolving-door guys who have gone through the Jays bullpen this year, and would have helped to stabilize the bullpen.
85bluejay - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#301590) #
A trade that's not going to happen but I would like to see is some sort of deal with Navarro going to Boston and JBJ coming to Toronto.
TangledUpInBlue - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#301591) #
So a Rogers employee floats a story about how the Blue Jays tried spending money on a certain reliever, and it turns out he hasn't been good? Yeah, you can count me as seriously skeptical about that one.

Hmm? I don't see how it makes Rogers or Anthopoulos look good, if that's your point. They were pursuing a guy who hasn't pitched well this year. Second of all -- this is the clincher, so get ready -- it's an interview with Zach Freakin' Duke! The man himself. It's not some rumour from inside Rogers. Anyway, here's the quote:

“The interest was mutual, honestly,” Duke says of his negotiations with the Blue Jays. “I talked with Alex quite a bit, I talked to a few guys on the Blue Jays, too, and I was pretty interested. Toronto was definitely a huge consideration for me. “It just didn’t work out, Toronto wasn’t quite the right place for me.”

And here's the link for good measure:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/nine-innings-jays-targeted-reliever-zach-duke/
TangledUpInBlue - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#301592) #
Whichever measure you use...

Well, there's always the salary-minus-value measure. By that one, with his $5M salary and (per FanGraphs) negative $900,000 in value to the White Sox, he's at $5.9M. This is like golf so that number ain't good.

(Whether it's accurate, though, you raise a good point -- hard to trust these numbers when the two sites have them so different.)
Magpie - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#301593) #
None of those relievers has really been looking over his back whilst pitching.

Well, of the six guys you mention I would suspect that the two that have already been in Buffalo this season have probably had that notion cross their mind. And major league job security has to be a new concept for Osuna and Hendriks. But true, the back end hasn't been the biggest problem. (Actually, in view of the fact that John Gibbons is the manager, one wonders why the team even bothers with a seven man pen. Unlike his predecessors, Gibbons has never actually used a seven man pen. His teams always carried seven relievers, but his seventh man can go for weeks without pitching, as Jordan de Jong and Scott Copeland will testify.)
China fan - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#301595) #
"....hard to trust these numbers when the two sites have them so different...."

There's also your favorite measure, xFIP, which would put Zach Duke in the top one-third of all pitchers who have been in the Jays bullpen this season, although sample sizes are quite small for some of them. 

You make a valid point about Duke's relatively high salary versus his somewhat smaller contribution this year.  Still, looking ahead to the rest of this season, I'd be much more confident in Duke than in most of the Jays relievers, because of Duke's excellent record in 2014.  If you amalgamate his 2014 and 2015 numbers, he looks like a very good reliever who is likely to perform well in 2015.
China fan - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#301596) #
Speaking of fun with numbers, and recalling our discussion of Pythagoras etc, Fangraphs has measures of how the Jays would do under some alternate calculations, based on their runs scored and allowed.  According to the "PythagenPat" measure, the Jays should have the best winning record in the AL East.  According to the "Base Runs" measure, the Jays should be in 3rd place.  In real life, they are in 4th place.  The chart:

http://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=BaseRuns

TangledUpInBlue - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#301597) #
Still, looking ahead to the rest of this season, I'd be much more confident in Duke than in most of the Jays relievers, because of Duke's excellent record in 2014.

Well, sure, I wouldn't DFA the guy if he were here. But to get him here in the first place, you'd presumably have to cut $5M somewhere else.
Mike Green - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#301598) #
If you are going to play Colabello in the outfield (and I'm not suggesting that it's a good plan), wouldn't it be an idea to have a 4th outfielder on the roster who can play the position to come on when you have a lead late?  Maybe one who can pinch-run for him too if he gets on late in a tie game?
China fan - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#301599) #
".....wouldn't it be an idea to have a 4th outfielder on the roster who can play the position to come on when you have a lead late....."

Yes, and they've actually got Pillar available for that role tonight.  Looking ahead:  when Encarnacion returns to the lineup, presumably Colabello goes to DH or 1B, and then the outfield is Bautista, Pillar and Carrera. 
China fan - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#301600) #
".....But to get him here in the first place, you'd presumably have to cut $5M somewhere else...."

My discussion of Zach Duke was based on the presumption that the Jays would have boosted the payroll to strengthen the bullpen, which is what a lot of us were suggesting in the off-season. And of course Duke is just one of a number of relievers that the Jays could have acquired in the off-season.  I'm not fixated on him, just using him as an example of a reliever who could have strengthened the Jays bullpen if the organization was willing to pay for it.

Of course if the Jays didn't have any payroll room, due to the illogical whims of the owners, then inevitably they had to throw 20 marginal pitchers at the wall to see who sticks.  It's a valid strategy if the team has no money.  Our whole discussion here, I thought, was based on the notion that the owners could have boosted the payroll if they wanted a stronger bullpen -- and a stronger team.  It's still unclear why they didn't.  Perhaps they are saving the money for the trade deadline.  If we're not careful, the season could be over by then.
China fan - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#301601) #
".....Looking ahead:  when Encarnacion returns to the lineup, presumably Colabello goes to DH or 1B...."

Whoops, I meant when the Jays are finished with their National League swing, of course....  

Mike Green - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 05:33 PM EDT (#301602) #
Bautista says that his shoulder isn't 100%, and they've got him in right-field.  This is also not a good idea. 
Chuck - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#301603) #
Zimmermann's got big L/R splits this year, though less so over his career, and that probably accounts for Smoak and Carerra getting the start over Encarnacion and Pillar. Not that the latter two slumping players couldn't use a day off.
ogator - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#301604) #
I have a question. At what point in the season do the Blue Jays make out a line-up card that ignores reputation and past performance and focuses on what we have seen this year? At what point, does the team say, certain players should switch positions and certain players should be playing less? Some of the Jays have had some very impressive seasons in the past. At what point do they say, "that was then, this is now"?
Spifficus - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#301610) #

If you're asking "When is Goins going to supplant Reyes as the starting SS?" Jose spotted Ryan a 3 for 23 during his RHH vs RHP stretch and is still outhitting him on the year, so Goins shouldn't be supplanting anyone as a SS until he can hit. As for a position switch to a respected veteran player who hasn't played another position in over 10 years? If you're holding your breath for that, you're going to be blue in the face til February at the earliest.

Reyes, as usual, just needs to be healthy and playing. He's hitting since coming off the DL (and was before trying to play through his injury), and unlike last year hasn't looked decrepit in the field (setting aside Sunday). He's the best SS on the team. He might not be the best defensive one, but that's true of lots of teams.

As an aside, the replays on the Colabello misplays have me wishing we'd see statcast numbers on misplays. For the Hunter double, what's the route efficiency for a path that can best be described as serpentine? Is it better or worse than taking 3 steps in, stopping for over a second, and then having to jump (and miss the catch)? I guess I'm bringing that up for two purposes. First, shifting people around without ample time to prepare can backfire spectacularly (and often). Second, the team has a far more pressing defensive issue than whether their best overall SS is also their best defensive one.

Mike Green - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#301612) #
Q: What happens when you follow Lonnie Smith's footsteps while chasing a flyball with 1/2 of Lonnie's speed?
A: Chris Colabello

If John Bocabella and Chris Colabello were a double play combination, would the announcers just say "John to Chris to Edwin" for the 6-4-3?

All joking aside, it isn't Colabello's fault in the least.  He can't play the position.  The only saving grace in watching him play the outfield is that he makes all of us feel about something that major leaguers do- "hey, I could do that and maybe, just maybe, a little better than a major leaguer". Roughly equivalent to watching a Mark Buehrle swing. 

greenfrog - Monday, June 01 2015 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#301613) #
For anyone contemplating making Coke / Colabello puns, the following link might prove helpful:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Coca-Cola_slogans

For example:

What you want is a Coke.
Everything goes Better with Coke.
Whatever you wish will come true, enjoy Coca-Cola!
I feel Coke.
No Reason.
Surprise under every cap.
Refresh yourself and win!
Chuck - Tuesday, June 02 2015 @ 01:04 AM EDT (#301614) #
Flash to Colabello, standing on a hillside, bedecked in tie dye, chanting: I'd like to teach the world to swing...
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