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This isn't going to be easy for me...



This isn't going to be easy for the Blue Jays either.

There's always an awkward feeling that comes when two teams you carry strong affection for wind up meeting for a series. That awkwardness only increases by the meaningfulness of those games for either team, understandably so. Well, this series is awfully important for the Blue Jays, who could be out of first place if they can't take at least one game. But see, this series is really important for Cincinnati also.

The Reds have had a challenging 2014 thus far. As ridiculous as this sounds, it feels like they've been fighting back all season from the 3-8 start, but at no point in 2014 has the team been over .500. There was some unfortunate luck early on (The Reds were 4-11 in One Run Games at one point) but the real problem for April and May was the same calamity striking the Blue Jays now: these guys can't score.

Unlike the Blue Jays, who have only been missing Lind and Rasmus for most of this power outage, Cincinnati was struck by a plague of injuries early on. Devin Mesoraco, Joey Votto and Jay Bruce have all missed large chunks of the season (and all were out at the same time for a while, leading to such insane sentences as: Skip Schumaker, leadoff hitter and: batting cleanup, Brayan Pena). The pitchers haven't been immune either. Aroldis Chapman, Mat Latos, Tony Cingrani, Jonathan Broxton and Sean Marshall have all danced with Lady Disabled List. With Latos coming back last weekend, this is the first time all year the Reds have been completely and totally healthy (aside from Marshall, but he's been awful in 2014 anyway). That Cincinnati has hovered around .500 despite the injuries, and are still just three games back of the second wildcard, suggests that this might be a team ready to do some serious damage.

Anyhow, here are three (somewhat) quick notes on the Reds:

Team Defense

The Reds are a phenomenal defensive team, leading all of baseball in fewest errors committed. It is interesting that they don't have an elite defender anywhere on the diamond (though Hamilton is getting close), instead having an above average player almost everywhere (LF and C are probably the exceptions). Frazier and Cozart on the left side of the infield are both fantastic (there's a reason they keep Cozart's awful bat in the lineup), Phillips is at the point in his career where the flashy plays he makes now are the routine ones from four years ago (he's still good though) and a healthy Votto is exceptional at picking the low throw. Ludwick moves around somewhere between Tumour Cabrera and Tumor-Free Cabrera but if he gets to it he'll catch it, while Hamilton and Bruce are exceptional outfielders (Bruce especially, I don't know how a dude built like that can cover so much ground).

Billy Hamilton

Turns out the guy can hit a little bit too. Some folks around baseball were suggesting Hamilton would struggle to hit .200 in the majors, and yes he did struggle mightily in the first three weeks of the season (after seeing what Wainwright did to him on opening day, I wondered if .200 was optimistic). But Hamilton has exploded in June, batting .344 with five doubles and three (!) home runs. Yep, Hamilton has as many June home runs as Edwin Encarnacion.

Anyhow, keeping Hamilton off base (as fun as that is to watch) will be important for Toronto pitchers. Otherwise, Hamilton has a tendency to do some insane things, such as score from second base on a hard ground ball to the second baseman. Or score from third on a modestly deep pop up to first base. The dude makes Anthony Gose look like a Molina. A slow Molina.

The Bats

With everybody healthy, this lineup has some tough outs. I've mentioned Hamilton already but there's always Walk-A-Matic Votto (Just kidding, Joey), Todd Frazier (quietly having the best season of his career) Devin Mesoraco (the best hitter on the team, who before 2014 was looking awfully Arencibish) and a resurgent Ryan Ludwick (what a weird career). The real question mark though is Jay Bruce, who after improving every season has just stunk this year. He's "slugging" .353, and this was a guy with 40+ doubles and 30+ home runs last season. I for one really hope he figures it out and gets it going.... next week.

To the pitching matchups!

Friday (7:10) Liam Hendriks (1-0, 2.31) versus Mat Latos (0-0, 0.00) *six scoreless innings in his only start so far
Saturday (4:10) J.A. Happ (6-3, 4.05) versus Mike Leake (4-6, 3.80)
Sunday (1:10) R.A. Dickey (6-5, 4.08) versus Johnny Cueto (6-5, 1.92)

Assorted Nonsense

Jay Bruce has one of the weirdest batting quirks I've ever seen. Just before he gets ready, he flicks his back arm up wildly in the air as though trying to snatch a mosquito buzzing above him. He does it for every pitch so keep your eyes keen.

Brandon Phillips also has an awesome batting stance. I swear he's trying to play Whack-A-Mole or something.

Aside from Chapman, Broxton and LeCure, the Reds bullpen is really bad. Those three are lights out though, so Blue Jays hitters are going to have to do something they've not done a lot of lately and that's knock a starter out early. If J.J. Hoover is coming in, they've done the job.

Frazier always has this smug look on his face. If he does well this series, you're probably going to hate his guts. Don't worry Todd, I still like you.

Last year I wrote about the three promising 1989 pitchers, Tony Cingrani, Matt Harvey and Patrick Corbin. Well, Harvey and Corbin are both gone for 2014 with Tommy John surgery while Cingrani is 2-8 and was kicked out of the rotation when Latos came back. Uh, sorry guys.

How is Cueto only 6-5????

The Blue Jays don't face him this series, but how about the year Alfredo Simon is having? 10-3, 3.05 ERA? A WHIP around 1.10? Who saw that coming?

Mike Leake is going to get a hit off J.A. Happ. I just know it.

If Votto is crushing his hometown team this series, maybe we should call on this guy to face him: http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/watch-snider-strikes-out-votto/

But seriously, how is Cueto only 6-5????


Yeah, this is awkward. Well, one of them's gotta win, right? Right.

Series Thread: The Blue Jays Hit The Queen City | 77 comments | Create New Account
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Mike Green - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#288745) #
Lady Disabled List

...or LDL for short.  Easy to remember because that one is the bad cholesterol. 

Thanks for this, eephus. 
Mike Green - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#288746) #
Delabar optioned to make room for Hendricks.  I guess he gets another period to report.
Gerry - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#288747) #
The Reds have called up a reliever Jumbo Diaz who apparently weighs over 300 pounds. We should see him this weekend.
Chuck - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#288748) #
The Reds are a phenomenal defensive team, leading all of baseball in fewest errors committed.

Of greater import, their defensive efficiency leads the NL and is 3rd in the majors behind Oakland and Seattle. And my instincts tell me that Oakland's huge foul territory somehow messes with the math in their favour.

Mike Green - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#288749) #
Lawrie back in the starting lineup.  Hopefully in better shape than Cecil or Lind were.
Mike Green - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#288751) #
Incidentally, if you go by the advanced cumulative defensive metrics (UZR and DRS), the Cardinals lead (if you take an average of the two) and the Royals edge out the Reds for second in team defence by these metrics.  The A's and Braves follow. 
scottt - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#288752) #
I'm sure Hendricks goes back down after tonight, but Delabar must stay down unless someone is added to the DL.
Magpie - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#288753) #
Jay Bruce has one of the weirdest batting quirks I've ever seen.

Ah, Joe Morgan was before your time.
JB21 - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#288754) #
Mickey Tettleton says Hello.
Magpie - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#288755) #
Strangest Blue Jay batting stance: Tony Batista or Garth Iorg?
Chuck - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#288756) #
Tony Batista reacts to chin music in Japan.
CeeBee - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#288757) #
Hendriks might be wishing he was in Buffalo right about now. Not a very good 2nd inning.
uglyone - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#288759) #
Hendriks was lucky his first two starts, and the jays pushed their luck for a third time and lady luck balanced the books quickly.

Kind of a needless risk, really. We're being more delicate with our SP than any other team in baseball. Hope this is the last time they feel the need to push the rotation back again.

Jays won't come back in this one, but unlike last series at least they don't look defeated already, and are showing a bit of fight.
Mike Green - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#288760) #
Perhaps a little premature?

I wonder if Lawrie's OBP will cross the .300 threshold by the mid-point of the season.  It's at .298.

Chuck - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#288762) #
"Despite the walks, Bautista has been productive this year." -Pat Tabler
Gerry - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#288763) #
Bobby Korecky did not come in to save the Bisons game tonight. He could be the pitcher recalled to replace Hendricks tomorrow.
uglyone - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#288764) #
Wow does that feel good or what?
Mike Green - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#288765) #
"Despite the walks, Bautista has been productive this year." -Pat Tabler

Man, I hate those bases-loaded walks.  It's so much better when you ground into a double play.  You can't walk across Lake Ontario.
Chuck - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#288766) #
The Reds' pitchers have now thrown 200 pitches this game.
Mike Green - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#288767) #
Thank you, Jobu.
Chuck - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#288768) #
The Reds threw 90 balls tonight. Ninety! That's insane.

Eephus' lights out trio gave up 6 runs tonight. They had only given up 14 in the previous 71 games.

Magpie - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#288769) #
Had 'em all the way.
Alex Obal - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#288770) #
Jays remain undefeated in games started by Liam Hendriks.
uglyone - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#288771) #
And just like that, baseball is fun again.

Shout out to kawasaki for great grinding at bats and defense. If we're gonna carry a .600ops 2b, that's the kind of guy it should be.
Richard S.S. - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#288772) #
1. WOW!
2. Must be nice to have competent Umpiring.
3. Reds relievers were sure overworked and worked over.
4. Advantage Jays?
Chuck - Friday, June 20 2014 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#288773) #
Brad Mills is not looking good tonight. He's pitching like a Cincinnati Red. Harsh, I know.
Super Bluto - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 12:06 AM EDT (#288774) #
Jays won't come back in this one, but unlike last series at least they don't look defeated already, and are showing a bit of fight.

I don't remember who said this - but man! do they look dumb now.
John Northey - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#288775) #
Funny.  Was at my daughters softball playoff game and watched parts of this on gameday, saw 8-0 and said 'screw it'.  But some part of me kept checking in and seeing a comeback.  Thought how I remember seeing this before, back in 1989.  Back then the Jays trailed 10-0 and made a full comeback.  Jun 4 1989... that was a fun one to watch on TV. Bet this one would've been too.  Ah well.  Daughter has 2 more tomorrow and up to 2 more on Sunday so hopefully I see more Jays magic on the phone during the in-between innings parts of her game.
JB21 - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 12:38 AM EDT (#288776) #
Came home from work (west coaster here) and it was 8-3. Kept delaying going the gym because the Jays kept getting a couple guys on. I left when it was 9-5 right after E40 just missed a hanging curve to tie it and I had a feeling that they might have a shot. When I got home it was 11-9 and I got to see Joey grind out another unproductive walk (Tabler is the worst) and then Edwin's AB... Wow was all that I could say. I must've rewound that pitch 10 times. That pitch was one of he bigger hangers you'll see and E40 isn't going to miss many of those. As said above, baseball is fun again.
James W - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 12:43 AM EDT (#288777) #
That 1989 game is one of my favourites. Duane Ward pitched 3 innings! I'm surprised he didn't need Tommy John surgery after that...
JB21 - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 01:18 AM EDT (#288778) #
Also, that was the Junior Felix series. He was on fire including a inside the park grand slam. That series made him my favourite player as a kid haha.
Magpie - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 07:28 AM EDT (#288780) #
Duane Ward pitched 3 innings!

Yeah, bullpen management was different then. That was just two years after Tom Henke went 2.2 in an All-Star Game (which the AL lost when Kevin Seitzer, Pat Tabler, and Dave Winfield couldn't rally back from a 2-0 deficit in the 13th inning.)
Chuck - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 07:30 AM EDT (#288781) #
That series made him my favourite player as a kid

And you, as it turns out, were the only kid in the equation. Junior Felix was allegedly 21, filling the organization with confidence over his growth potential. It turns out that he was actually somewhere between 5 and 10 years older than that. I don't know that his actual DOB has ever been unearthed.

John Northey - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 08:11 AM EDT (#288782) #
Yeah, I was a big Junior Felix fan too then. Here was a 21 year old hitting like a vet with speed, confidence, and fun.  Like a version of Griffey Jr all for Jay fans (but 2 years older).  Hope was high.  B-R never did adjust his age but I remember the rumours and the 5-10 year gap.  Still, a home run on his first ML PA, that inside the park grand slam followed a few days later by the big home run in that 10-0 comeback.  The majors seemed too low a level for him at that point.  He also caught the final out for Stieb's no hitter.

The oddity is how in his final ML season he hit 306/372/525 for a 129 OPS+ over 339 PA in the 1994 strike year.  IE: he was an everyday player who played very well mainly in RF but also had time in LF/CF/DH.  Of course, if the rumours of his age being off by 10 is correct then he was 36 and odds were he'd never hit like that again but still...

The following season (1995) he did play in AAA for Montreal (after they lost most of their team) and in 51 games he hit just 225/303/363 for a 666 OPS.  The next 6 years he spent in Mexico and other places playing.  His final pro season (2001, listed as 33 years old) he hit 305/429/461 in the Mexican league.   If only he really had been 21 when he started, then he might have been a super-star.  Instead he was very useful as a solid OF for a few years here, then as trade bait to get Devon White.  A trade I hated at the time as I thought he really was just 22 then and a budding star.
uglyone - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#288785) #
What made this one extra sweet for me is not just that we went down 8 runs, but HOW we went down 8 runs.

It seemed like we picked up where we left off in NY with all sorts of little screwups and every little break going against us...reyes missing a DP ball, surehanded kawasaki with a dropped ball, hamilton called safe at 3rd on a call that could easily have gone our way, hamilton getting a double on a popup up just out if the reach of a drawn in infield, melky just missing an inning ending grab on a shallow bloop, redmond giving up a dinger on what looked like a routine fly ball.....just all the little things going wrong, just like in NY and for most of the slump, both from sloppiness by the jays and with crappy luck....just looked like another frustrating night.

But then they came up to bat after the 8th run...and it just felt different. I mentioned here at the time that they just didn't look defeated like they did in NY, and it seemed to me buck and tabby felt they were in the game too - challenging the jays to perform and talking about comeback scenarios instead of veering off into the usual blowout anecdotes -, and i read some of the cinci gamethreads and you could tell by their tone that as big a lead as it was, it still wasn't a comfortable one.

Not sure what my point is but this one smelled like a potential slumpbuster all the way.

Of course, momentum is only as good as the next game, so hopefully they can keep hitting now.
scottt - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#288786) #
Bobby Korecky did not come in to save the Bisons game tonight. He could be the pitcher recalled to replace Hendricks tomorrow.

If he's a good baserunner he'll do fine.
grjas - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#288787) #
Jays won't come back in this one, but unlike last series at least they don't look defeated already, and are showing a bit of fight.

I don't remember who said this - but man! do they look dumb now.


While it wasn't me, I did say this was becoming a boring team that never comes back from a deficit.

Crow actually tastes pretty good. Happy to eat more of it.
PeterG - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#288788) #
Have not seen any comments on the Griffin article suggesting 4 second baseman that should interest the Jays. They are:  Nick Franklin (Mariners), Ramon Santiago (Reds), Darwin Barney (Cubs) and Ramiro Pena (Braves).....What do we think of these names? What might it take to secure one if so doing seems like a good idea. I am assuming off the top, that AA would not include Sanchez, Norris or Osuna in any deal for one of these or any other 2b. Indeed, I think some roster players are likely available, possibly including Rasmus, Francisco, ....and maybe Navarro or Santos. Depending upon which team, a deal is being discussed, the asking price could be either roster players or prospects. Any thoughts?
jerjapan - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#288789) #
Pass on all names in Griffin's article.  Griff has his moments of insight on the game and the players, but when he discusses trades, the man is less insightful than the drunk dude next to you at the bar.  Franklin at least has upside, but not a one of those guys would represent a legit upgrade over what we've got.  And Franklin has struggled badly in the bigs two straight years, despite dominating AAA. 

If we want to upgrade at 2B, I'd love to get a younger 2B like Altuve or Walker - though the price would be steep - or like John Northey suggested in a different thread, Utley from Phillie.  If the Phillies are prepared to face reality, they really do make sense as a trade partner as John suggests.  Burnett / Lee would be a big boost to the rotation, and Lee's huge contract likely makes him expendable.  Ruiz is having a good year at catcher and has a reasonable contract, and Papelbon could likely be had cheap given how much the team owes him going forward. 


PeterG - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#288790) #
Not sure that ownership would ok the acquistion of any of the Philly contracts......but I imagine the price in terms of players would be minimal.....would look at Lee(if healthy), Utley...maybe Ruiz(if they took back Navarro).....not interested in Burnett or Papelbon..

any chance of a Rasmus for Aaron Hill deal if Zona wants to shed some salary? And would Hill coming back even be a possibility?
Richard S.S. - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#288791) #
Is Happ afraid to throw his Fastball, or just can't?
electric carrot - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#288792) #
5 more runs in the second for the Reds and we'll have this all wrapped up in no time/
China fan - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#288793) #
Since the beginning of May (in the ten games he has started this season), Happ has followed a weirdly predictable pattern:  he has alternated precisely between excellent starts and terrible starts.  He's had 5 excellent starts (a "quality start" or, in one case, zero runs allowed in 5 innings).  Including today, he's had 5 bad starts, and each of those bad starts has followed on the heels of a good start.  He has oscillated perfectly between these two modes: good Happ and bad Happ.   Today seems to be bad Happ.  Can nothing be done to fix this?  Maybe he should pitch every 10 days, rather than every 5 days???  (Just joking on that last sentence.  But this is getting ridiculous.)
Chuck - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#288794) #
The umpire just called an eye-high strike on Kawasaki. That was an amazingly horrific call.
JB21 - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#288795) #
That last pitch to Muni was at his head.
JB21 - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#288796) #
Beat me to it Chuck...
Chuck - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#288797) #
Happ needed just 6 pitches for his first two outs and 45 for his next four. Jenkins, get ready. We'll be seeing you in the 6th, if not sooner.
mathesond - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#288798) #
So I guess momentum really is only as good as the next day's starting pitcher
Chuck - Saturday, June 21 2014 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#288799) #
So I guess momentum really is only as good as the next day's starting pitcher

Yes, as emphatically as the dramaturgists would want you to believe otherwise.

Eephus - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 01:47 AM EDT (#288801) #
Leake got a hit off Happ! I called it! Next up, July's winning lottery numbers...

Seriously though, how many pitchers can get first to third easily on a hard single into right-field, and while the right-fielder is Jose Bautista? That guy can just flat out play.

Dickey/Cueto should be very interesting tomorrow. Here's hoping R.A. has the good knuckler working.

Mike Green - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 11:41 AM EDT (#288802) #
Reyes gets the day off today.  Kawasaki at short and leading off.  Lawrie at second base and Francisco at third.  Well done, Mr. Gibbons.  It's the right day for this move. 

Sometime soon, the club needs to bring up an outfielder to give Cabrera and Bautista a day off.  I suppose that you could play Tolleson in left one day and it wouldn't be the end of the world, but it would be a lot better if it were Pillar or Gose.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#288803) #
For what it's worth, Cueto has no discernible platoon splits over his career.  I would have Lawrie leading off and Kawasaki hitting near the bottom of the order.  That is less important than making sure Reyes has the day off and getting Francisco in the lineup here. 
Chuck - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#288804) #
Joey Votto is playing first base like he just got moved to the position this morning.
Eephus - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#288805) #
Lawrie gets hit on the hand again, Bautista has to leave with some kind of knee injury. This has not been a good day so far.

That was a fantastic DP started by Cozart, Saved a run, maybe more.

Magpie - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#288806) #
The bench now consists of two catchers (and these are two purecatchers - Kratz and Navarro don't play anywhere else) and a guy with a bad leg who can't run. If anything else happens, the best solution by far is Sergio Santos (702 pro games at shortstop.)
Chuck - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#288807) #
Buck has twice this weekend linked Lee May to the World Series winning Big Red Machine of the mid-70s. May was indeed a member of the 1970 Reds that lost to the Orioles, but was long gone by the mid-70s.
Magpie - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#288808) #
I just checked Buck's game in RF. He did fine. Caught two fly balls, to end the first two innings (and doubled Sam McDowell off second base for a double play - looks like Sam tagged up to go to third, left too soon, and was out on the appeal. Hey, when you're pitching a three-hitter and striking out 14 guys, they let you do that.)

Tabler was joking (I assume!) about feeling in trouble wherever he played, but he really did spend his entire pro career looking for a position. The Yankees signed him as a third baseman out of high school but they switched him to second base after a couple of years. That had to have depressed Tabler - the Yankees had all-stars at both positions, and Tabler wasn't going to move either one off the job - but the third baseman (Nettles) was 34 years old and the second baseman (Randolph) was 24. He ended spending most of his major league career playing the positions he didn't play very much in the minors (first base and outfield.)
Eephus - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#288809) #
And now Cueto looks hurt. This just sucks.
Eephus - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#288810) #
Well, nevermind then. The sun must be messing everybody up. I mean, I've never seen Rasmus make such a bad blunder on the basepaths.
dan gordon - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#288811) #
Lawrie's finger is broken
Magpie - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#288812) #
Lawrie to the DL with fractured index finger. ("Fractured? Hell, the damn thing's broken.")
Cracka - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#288813) #
Lawrie has a fractured right index finger - likely out 3-6 weeks, longer if surgery is required. Bautista has a tight hammy and will be re-evaluated back in Toronto.

Time for Jared Goedart to get a chance? Also, probably time to swap Kratz for an OF, likely Pillar.
Chuck - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#288814) #
After Lawrie's terrific, but very abbreviated, first season, he has been much more consistent offensively than I'd have guessed: OPS+ 98, 94, 95. Not sure this is a good thing for ages 22 to 24.
Chuck - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#288815) #
Time for Jared Goedart to get a chance?

Waiting for Goedert?

Chuck - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#288816) #
Tolleson against RHP is like Francisco against LHP, entirely overmatched.

Presumably Kawasaki and Francisco will now get the AB at 2B and 3B against RHP. Tolleson figures to platoon with Francisco. Will a new platoonmate (either for 2B or 3B) be called up from AAA or will Kawasaki play fulltime?

And whether or not Bautista is DL'd, a 4th outfielder would definitely seem to be required. The 3-catcher situation is looking like too much of a luxury at the moment.

scottt - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#288817) #
On the positive side Dickey ate some innings today.

However, hosting the Yankees without Bautista is not a good scenario.

christaylor - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 05:06 PM EDT (#288818) #
May feels like a long time ago.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#288819) #
I will keep up my contrarian spirit.  The Blue Jays still look OK to me.  Dickey throwing a decent game is a good sign, and if Bautista misses a game or two, he gets rest at a good time anyway.  Lawrie's injury is not good news, but by the time he comes back, the Jays will probably have settled their second base situation and will install him at third base. Plus, they miss Tanaka this time.

Personally, I'd platoon Francisco and Tolleson and Kawasaki and Diaz for the time being.  Send down a catcher, and bring up Pillar to be the 4th OF and DH against LHP. 

christaylor - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#288820) #
This would be a good time for a roster move i.e., a trade for PTBNL -- something small for vet help that's stuck in AAA.

There might be something out there that AA can at least try because the in house solutions to the Lawrie injury are less than impressive. Wishing on the in-house options seem futile; we already know the ceiling and floors of those players talent. Lightning in a bottle from another org for a few weeks worth a try. Going back to a 2000 roster move that didn't work -- a Mickey Morandini type-reach wouldn't be horrible.

Replacement level from a regular at 2B would be great over the next 50-60 days or so... the Jays of June only look lousy in contrast to the Jays of May. If memory serves they've not exactly been blown out a ton over the last 20 games.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 22 2014 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#288821) #
Kawasaki has proved himself to be a better than replacement level platoon second baseman.  You probably can do better than Jon Diaz, but he is probably a replacement level player as a platoon player.  Francisco is better than replacement as a platoon third baseman, as likely is Tolleson.

Replacement level is a low bar.  You would like to get better than that from these two positions while Lawrie is out. 

Eephus - Monday, June 23 2014 @ 02:57 AM EDT (#288822) #
Waiting for Goedert?

I guess that would make him the player that never actually appears.
Mike Green - Monday, June 23 2014 @ 08:43 AM EDT (#288823) #
After Lawrie's terrific, but very abbreviated, first season, he has been much more consistent offensively than I'd have guessed: OPS+ 98, 94, 95. Not sure this is a good thing for ages 22 to 24.

Lawrie's BABIP in those 3 seasons: .311, .280, .256.  He has had plenty of hard contact especially in the last 6 weeks, but that BABIP remains low (if slowly increasing). From the club's perspective, it's the perfect time for a long-term deal with him.

And as for the more important issue of nicknames, how about Lightning Lawrie?  It sure would be the 30s-style Brittle Brett.
Parker - Monday, June 23 2014 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#288825) #
Around here we just call him Red Bull.
Mike Green - Monday, June 23 2014 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#288826) #
Lightning in a bottle?  You could call him Three Hour Energy, if you wanted...
Gerry - Monday, June 23 2014 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#288828) #
The three catcher experiment is over for now, Kratz to Buffalo. Lawrie to DL.

Both Gose and Pillar have been recalled.
Mike Green - Monday, June 23 2014 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#288829) #
With Bautista presumably unavailable for a few days and the club facing RH starters for a few days, the move makes sense. 
Mike Green - Monday, June 23 2014 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#288830) #
Lind says that his foot is not 100% and playing is not good for it but that there is no choice. He's in the lineup tonight.  Lind was injured on June 14, and has had 3 at-bats since then.  In hindsight, it sure looks like it would have been advantageous to DL him and bring up Dan Johnson.  How many times have things turned out that way since the beginning of last year?
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