Batter's Box Interactive Magazine - D.J. & Mitch Are Nay Okay!

The affiliates played .750 ball Monday night with the lone blemish being a one-run loss. The other games were decided by one, two and seven runs respectively.

Buffalo 6 Charlotte 5

Charlotte, NC - Jared Goedert was the hitting hero for the Herd, blasting a two-run homer in the eighth for a come from behind victory over the White Sox affiliate in an afternoon affair. Dan Johnson began the scoring with a leadoff dinger to start the second inning. Ryan Goins had an infield single that scored a pair later in the frame after the first baseman was unable to handle it cleanly. Goins had a more conventional RBI single to left in the third to give the Bisons a 4-2 lead at the time. Matt Tuiasosopo was the on-base leader by drawing the walk before Goedert's homer and adding a pair of base knocks. Goedert added a double with his dinger and Darin Mastroianni had two hits. Jack Murphy singled and walked. Kevin Pillar and Munenori Kawasaki had a double. Anthony Gose was 0-for-5 but received an assist for throwing out a runner at third. His strong arm from center also deterred the Knights third base coach from sending the potential tying run around to score in the bottom of the ninth.

It was a mixed bag for Bisons starter Shawn Hill. He managed to last six innings and struck out five but served up two gopher balls that led to four of his five runs on the day. His Game WHIP was 2.00 on nine hits, two walks and a hit by pitch. Seven of his nine outs in play were on the ground and he threw 54 of 88 pitches for strikes. Gregory Infante (2-0) was perfect in his two innings of relief against his former organization, striking out four. Bobby Korecky survived a nervous ninth to get his third save. He gave up three hits but left the bases loaded thanks to two strikeouts. Korecky has yet to give up a run in 25 innings so far this season.

Reading 3 New Hampshire 2

Manchester, NH - The Fisher Cats' two runs came in the second inning on two swings, a single by Brad Glenn followed by a homer from Ryan Schimpf. Their best chance to score came in the ninth when Mike Crouse and Gabe Jacobo had back-to-back, two-out singles but they were left stranded. Gabe Jacobo had two hits, Jon Berti singled and walked and Glenn drew a walk to reach base twice. Kenny Wilson had an eventful return to the organization with a single, a bunt and a caught stealing. Kevin Nolan had a hit but A.J. Jimenez and Andy Burns wore the collar with a combined 0-for-8.

Casey Lawrence (2-4) was stung by a two-run homer in the third and surrendered the go-ahead run in the sixth to the Fightin' Phils. He deserved a better fate as he lasted 7.1 innings, scattering seven hits and two walks while striking out four. He racked up 15 ground ball outs of his 17 outs in play. Lefty John Anderson allowed two hits but struck out in the final 1.2 innings.

Dunedin 4 Palm Beach 2

Jupiter, FL - The D-Jays got two quick runs off the hop against the Cardinals as Matt Newman doubled home a run before scoring on an Emilio Guerrero single in the first inning. Dwight Smith Jr. had a base rap to plate another run in the fourth before Dalton Pompey pumped one over the wall in the fifth, his third of the season. Guerrero, Smith and Pompey all had two-hit games while Newman reached twice by adding a walk. Kellen Sweeney made his season debut but it was not one to remember as he went hitless in four at-bats.

Kendall Graveman (1-1) earned his first Florida State League victory by getting through five innings despite a game WHIP of 1.6. He was charged with two runs on six hits, one walk and a hit by pitch. He whiffed a pair of batters and earned five ground ball outs. Lefty Efrain Nieves overcame a pair of hits by striking out three over two innings. Wil Browning worked around a walk in a scoreless frame and Arik Sikula punctuated his 11th save by striking out the final batter in a clean ninth.

Lansing 11 Bowling Green 4

Bowling Green, KY - The Lugnuts had the hot bats against the Hot Rods, scoring two runs apiece in the first two innings. The key swings were a Dawel Lugo RBI single and a D.J. Davis two-run homer. Lansing resumed scoring in the fourth on a Derrick Loveless two-run single before Mitch Nay laid waste to one, resulting in a three-run bomb. Nay also brought in the 10th run with a bases-loaded walk in the seventh. Loveless continued to show no love towards the Rays affiliate with a solo poke over the wall in the ninth. Lugo led the Lansing hit squad with four hits while Nay had three safeties and a base on balls. Dickie Thon Jr. also got on base four times with three hits and a hit by pitch. Davis and Loveless got on base three times apiece with a homer, a single and a walk. L.B. Dantzler had a hit and a ball four. Chaz Frank made his Lansing debut by going 0-for-3 with two walks and two runs scored. Jorge Saez and Santiago Nessy would like to forget this one, going an aggregate 0-for-10.

Alberto Tirado threw a one-hitter in 3.1 innings but he walked five batters. That was offset by four K's and five groundball outs. Shane Dawson came in with the bases loaded and allowed an inherited runner to score. The southpaw gave up two runs of his own on six hits over 3.1 innings but put up a nice K-BB total of 6-0. Phil Kish pitched the last two innings, yielding a run on four hits.

Monday's Linescores

*** 3 Stars!!! ***

3. Jared Goedert, Buffalo - Three two-hit games in a row, a .971 OPS over his last 10 contests and a .894 OPS overall.

2. D.J. Davis, Lansing - It's been all-or-nothing with the Jays first pick of the 2012 draft . Over his last 10 games, he has been hitless in five games and had multi-hit efforts in the others.

1. Mitch Nay, Lansing - Though he has just two homers on the season, his batting average is now up to .304.

Tuesday's Schedule & Probable Starters...

Reading @ New Hampshire, 11:35 am ET - RHP Aaron Sanchez (1-2, 3.05).
Dunedin @ Palm Beach, 6:35 pm ET - RHP Taylor Cole (3-0, 2.50).
Gwinnett @ Buffalo, 7:05 pm ET - LHP Sean Nolin (2-1, 2.34).
Lansing @ Bowling Green, 8:05 pm ET - LHP Matt Dermody (1-0, 3.72).

Extra Innings...

Bob Elliott of The Toronto Sun chatted with Scott Copeland after he and Casey Janssen pitched a shutout against the Binghamton Mets last week.
Steve Ewen of The Vancouver Sun looks back on the Marcus Stroman era with the Canadians.

Posted by #2JBrumfield on Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 12:02 AM EDT.

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finch - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 12:15 AM EDT (#286168) #

Off topic a tad but with the news of Marlins stud Jose Fernandez needing TJ surgery, I started to think draft strategy. Would the Jays be better off taking the 2 top ten pitchers slated to undergo TJ surgery, getting them at a discount, and using that money for harder to sign talent later in the draft? The Jays would give the kids the money and the best medical attention. There are 3 HS kids that have already committed to their schools. All 3 are believed to be Mid 1 to Second Round talents.

Hoffman is a name of one of the kids and the other escapes me, in regards to the TJ guys. If we don't sign these two below slot, then we still acquire protect picks next year. Then the money saved this year on the draft can allow the Jays to go way above slot for Latin FAs.

Also, we have young pitchers in the lower levels that need to be developed like Clinton Hollon and Jacob Brentz and Matt Smoral...so losing out on a couple of arms this draft won't kill the organization.

Sorry this post is all over the place. I'm in Dubai with very little sleep with the time difference of 11 hours from Vancouver.

scottt - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 07:17 AM EDT (#286170) #

There's a risk these guys might eventually need a second TJ surgery.

John Northey - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 08:49 AM EDT (#286171) #

There is that risk, of a 2nd TJ surgery but I think the question becomes how best to build up more and more talent so you can make trades (ala Dickey & Buehrle trades) to improve the team plus have kids (ala Stroman) to fill the club.

If other teams are shying away from the TJ kids, if those kids will sign for below slot, then they can be very useful. Remember, at any draft slot the odds of success are low. I rate success at 10+ WAR (Rickey Romero), great success at 20+ (Aaron Hill), super woohoo at 50+ (John Olerud, David Wells).

#1: 25 good, 17 great, 3 woohoo out of 49 - just over 1/2 reached the 'good' stage. You could remove the most recent 6 as they are young enough to do it still so that puts it at 25/43 or 58%...this is for a pick that will cost around $8 million.
#5: 10 good, 7 great, 1 woohoo - remove most recent 5 (#6 is Buster Posey who is at 19.5 WAR) and you get a success rate of 23%
#10: 13 good, 11 great, 3 woohoo - a bit better than #5 (go figure). Remove most recent 6 and you get a success rate of 30%
#15: 9 good, 4 great, 1 woohoo - success (removing 6) of 21%
#20: 9 good, 6 great, 2 woohoo - success (removing 6) of 21%
#25: 5 good, 3 great, 0 woohoo - remove most recent 4 as Mike Trout is #5 (likely to move from great to woohoo someday), 11% success
#30: 9 good, 6 great, 2 woohoo (David Wells here) - success (removing 6) of 21% but just one player since Brian Jordan in 1988 (end of a 7 year stretch where Jordan, Travis Fryman, Chris Sabo and David Wells were picked with this pick).

So, for the first round after the first overall pick it quickly drops to about a 1 in 5 chance of getting a solid ML player. At any pick in the first round odds are low of finding a near HOF level guy (50+ WAR).

Jays have had 64 first round picks, 1 woohoo (Halladay), 8 great, 9 good (Romero dropped out of good territory with his poor past 2 years being sub replacement). In the past 6 years the Jays have had 18 picks (!) 4 made the majors but none have done much yet. Remove those 18 from the 64 and you have a success rate of 20%, which is inline with the rest of MLB. The Jays never had a #1 overall pick, but 3 times had the #2 (Moseby the only success), 11 times a top 10 with just Moseby, Wells, and Romero ever cracking 10 WAR (even briefly) plus Felipe Lopez as a 'of note' guy (made an All-Star team) and Billy Koch (decent closer for a bit).

So take a risk on those TJ guys if it means the Jays will have more cash so they can grab more guys who are first round type talent. Get 5 of them and you are likely to get 1 solid ML player.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 08:56 AM EDT (#286172) #

I am not a fan of drafting a high school pitcher with a great arm heading for TJ.

The key point for me is restoring the balance between position players and pitchers in the system. I don't agree that this can done exclusively through international acquisitions.

Gerry - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 09:03 AM EDT (#286173) #

The evidence for the effective baseball life of a replacement elbow ligament is just now starting to be evaluated. There has been some suggestion that, on average, a TJ replaced elbow might get you nine years of pitching life. Obviously there is a lot of room each side of that. But if you select a TJ-needed high school pitcher, he will have approx. 4 years of use on his replaced elbow ligament before he makes it to the major leagues. Will a team get its usual 6-7 years of control from him without a second TJ?

A second TJ carries a higher risk of recovery and a higher risk that the pitcher might have to move to the bullpen and thereby reduce his value.

All of the above applies to the Jays Roberto Osuna.

Beyonder - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 09:51 AM EDT (#286174) #

Quite apart from the wisdom of targeting HS Tommy John patients, I hope the Jays have learned enough from their last three drafts that they simply draft the best player available who will sign for slot. Surely they realize that their fancy footwork the past three years has been a total failure? Last year it was so bad they couldn't even find enough players in the later rounds to throw their excess slot money at.

PeterG - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#286175) #

Both pitchers mentioned by the OP are college guys, Hoffman from East Carolina and Fredde at UNLV......I would favour Jays drafting both if possible as a discount is certainly to be had. Each should still be two years ahead of a HS draftee, even being delayed a year... Howver, it would take real cajones to pick both...for any team....I think that the Jaya will take Hoffman with one of their 2 first round picks.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 10:17 AM EDT (#286176) #

I don't think you need to be quite that rigid about it, beyonder. If you have somebody who you feel has a decent chance to be the next Albert Pujols or Mike Trout or Drew Hutchison (for that matter), I wouldn't get hung up on whether that player wanted slot or 10% over slot. But yes, draft the best player available early and fill in your needs late.

And by the way, Phil Bickford over J.P. Crawford? Why?

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 10:28 AM EDT (#286178) #

And as for college pitchers on the way to TJ in the first round, why? It is just one more thing to overcome. It's one thing to draft a collegiate pitcher like Roger Clemens or Tim Lincecum for whom there are some concerns and who drop to 10-20 on the draft board. You know that these guys are, if everything goes right, going to be ready in a hurry and could be very, very good.

As far as I am concerned, it's all about an overvaluing of pitcher stuff rather than recognizing that there is much more that goes into making a good pitcher.

Beyonder - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 10:54 AM EDT (#286180) #

Sure MG. If you think you've got a chance at the next Mike Trout, then go ahead. But last year with Bickford, we weren't talking about paying 10% over slot. And in the subsequent rounds, we aren't talking about guys who were signing for 10% under slot. The Jays' "strategy", such as it is, has been to sign guys for far below their slot value in order to redirect the funds to areas of the draft where they can be put to better use -- like in rounds 10+.

My own view is that even if you execute it, the strategy is a questionable one. But the real risk is that you fail to execute the strategy properly, like last year. There, the Jays reached for Bickford, signed lesser guys on the cheap in the subsequent rounds in order to save money for Bickford-- but then failed to sign Bickford. As a result, we end up with a hollowed-out first round, and end up throwing money at guys like Brentz and Tellez, who frankly, just happened to be around in the later rounds.

Assessing drafts is always tricky, because it is tough to pinpoint the counterfactual -- who would the Jays have drafted if they hadn't adopted this strategy? We'll never know. Maybe the value guys they selected in the first round last year will turn out to be studs. Maybe the guys the team would have drafted adopting a different strategy would have been just as bad. Tough to know. But if you're playing the percentages, last years' draft was one of the worst (if not the worst) in baseball.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#286181) #

I don't know where last year's draft fits in vis a vis other teams, but I didn't like it either.

Hodgie - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#286182) #

"Surely they realize that their fancy footwork the past three years has been a total failure?"

Does that total failure include the likes of Marcus Stroman and Daniel Norris?

Lugnut Fan - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#286183) #

This is a farily interesting conversation, but I think the Jays go out of their way to AVOID Tommy John surgery actually. I saw someone else suggest something similar last week in that they were questioning whether you just don't immediately send your draft picks for Tommy John and skip over them if they refuse to have it whether it's needed or not. You have to keep in mind that from the statistics, 80% of the people that have Tommy John return. That means there is a 20% chance your investment will never throw a pitch. You also have to keep in mind that this surgery is so specialized that really only one doctor does it.

The Jays baby their pitching prospects (almost to a fault) to avoid this. The Lansing kids get pulled after 60 or 70 pitches and I think the org philosophy now is to pull any pitcher that throws more than 30 pitches in an inning. It's all in an effort to "save the bullets for the big leagues".

Beyonder - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#286184) #

"Does that total failure include the likes of Marcus Stroman and Daniel Norris?"

Sure it does. The fact that you can pluck a couple of isolated half-decent players from two separate drafts says nothing about the success or failure of the strategy used to select them. Let's not forget that in the Daniel Norris year, we also failed to sign our first rounder (Beede). And in 2012 we used the comp pick for Beede to sign DJ Davis (at a discount), for whom the early returns are not great.

JB21 - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#286185) #

You do realize those draft picks didn't just go "poof", right?

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#286186) #

I was going through the drafts of the last 4 years. The players who still interest me from the 2010 draft are Sanchez, Syndergaard, Nicolino, Nolin and Pompey. Obviously some other player may yet make a leap forward. From 2011, it's Dwight Smith Jr., Norris and Pillar. From 2012, Stroman and Mitch Nay. It's early days yet for 2013, but so far there isn't really a prospect who has my attention. Matt Boyd might get there if he ends up passing the double A test this year and Rowdy Tellez is interesting.

uglyone - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#286187) #

every time i look at the AAA roster my eye keeps coming back to Goedert. He's a 29yr old utility guy who's never played in mlb, and i have no idea what kind of defense he brings......but his bat might be a really good fit.

He's been a solid hitter in AAA (1662pa, 9.7bb%, 19.9k%, .264/.337/.461/.798) with good patience and pop.

But more importantly for our roster are his splits:

(last 3yrs)

Vs. LHP: 459pa, 12.9bb%, 14.4k%, .291/.381/.542/.923
Vs. RHP: 1022pa, 8.9bb%, 21.1k%, .271/.335/.430/.765

That's a lefty split that indicates legit potential to be a quality .800+ops hitter vs lhp in the bigs.

And while Tolleson has been hot, his milb numbers don't give us any hope of him being an above average mlb bat in any scenario:

Vs. LHP: 402pa, 12.7bb%, 16.2k%, .271/.364/.394/.758
Vs. RHP: 905pa, 11.4bb%, 18.0k%, .281/.366/.395/.761

I'd like to see him get a legit shot - he might be an effective platoon partner for lind or francisco.

This bench might turn out to be very effective:

UT Goedert
OF Pillar
IF Izturis
C Thole

With either Tolleson (offense) or Diaz (defense) filling in for the injured izturis as a righthand hitting backup infielder.

uglyone - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#286190) #

"I was going through the drafts of the last 4 years. The players who still interest me from the 2010 draft are Sanchez, Syndergaard, Nicolino, Nolin and Pompey. Obviously some other player may yet make a leap forward. From 2011, it's Dwight Smith Jr., Norris and Pillar. From 2012, Stroman and Mitch Nay. It's early days yet for 2013, but so far there isn't really a prospect who has my attention. Matt Boyd might get there if he ends up passing the double A test this year and Rowdy Tellez is interesting."

Jays drafts in general seem to be improving.

2009 bWAR

Gomes 4.9
Loup 2.3
Goins 1.6
Hutch 1.1
Webb 0.9
Jenkins 0.6
Marisnick 0.0

2010

Nolin -0.3
Dyson -0.7
Syndergaard
Sanchez
Pompey
Wojciechowski
Nicolino

2011

Pillar -0.2
Norris
Smith
Stilson
Burns
Dean
Desclafani
Robson
Gabryszwski

2012

Stroman -0.2
Nay
Davis
Smoral
Dejong
Dawson
Alford

In comparison, for example, a lauded organization like the rays only has this mlb performance to show from the draft since 2009:

Z.Rosscup 0.4
D.Dietrich 0.1
K.Kiermayer 0.0
C.Reifenhauser -0.3

That's everything from the Rays' Drafts since 2009. And they're not exactly stacked with great prospects that just haven't made it yet either.

Even the big spending drafters red sox can't say a lot since 2009....though granted their system looks really good right now.

Bradley 0.2
Workman 0.2
Fuentes -0.2
Wilson -0.2
Mcguiness -0.4

Huh, looking at that a second time, the jays are kinda killing both those well respected teams in the draft since 2009.

metafour - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 01:12 PM EDT (#286191) #

"And in 2012 we used the comp pick for Beede to sign DJ Davis (at a discount), for whom the early returns are not great."

No, we didn't. Stroman was the compensation pick for Beede...not Davis.

John Northey - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 01:22 PM EDT (#286192) #

Far, far, far too early to say much about 2013 beyond 'didn't sign first draft pick, did sign a couple of tough signs later'.

For 2012 a total of 4 players are listed at B-R as making the majors from that draft, including Stroman. Two were from the top 5, Wacha was picked 3 before Stroman. The #1 overall pick is in A+ ball (838 OPS at 19 yrs old at SS). Far too soon there too.

For 2011 Pillar is the only Jay to reach. From the first round 11 players (out of 60) have reached.

For 2010 just 2 Jays have made it (Dyson & Nolin) while 12 players from round 1 have made it (out of 50). A shame the Jays didn't take Chris Sale instead of McGuire (13th pick vs #11). 4 players have 5+ WAR with Sale leading easily, then 3 guys from the top 10 picks (thus unavailable to the Jays).

So far AA hasn't had anything great emerge from his drafts. However, that isn't always a 'oh crap' thing as it has been just a few years and it can take awhile for kids to develop. Just 1 in 5 first rounders is likely to become even a 10 WAR guy. The Jays have had 15 first round picks since AA became GM so there should be 2 to 3 10 WAR guys in that group. Stroman looks likely, Sanchez and Syndergaard are both possible too (sigh on Syn). We'll see in 5 or so years.

uglyone - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#286193) #

fWAR from drafts since 2009:

TOR

Gomes 4.3
Loup 1.8
Hutch 1.6
Goins 0.3
Webb 0.2
Stroman 0.0
Pillar 0.0
Nolin -0.1
Jenkins -0.1
Marisnick -0.2
Dyson -0.3

BOS

Workman 1.0
Wilson 0.3
Bradley 0.0
Fuentes -0.1
McGuinness -0.4

TB

Dietrich 0.5
Rosscup 0.0
Kiermaier 0.0
Reifenhauser -0.1

And i'd put the Jays' top drafted prospects to not yet make it (Syndergaard, Sanchez, Norris, Smith, Nay) up against theirs as well.

Gerry - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#286197) #

Aaron Sanchez pitched today for NH and had a Jekyl and Hyde start.

Through 3.2 innings he did not allow a hit and had just one walk which came in an extended at-bat. At that point he had thrown 31 strikes and 12 balls, an excellent ratio.

He then threw 10 straight balls, obviously walking two, before getting out of the inning.

In his fifth and last inning he threw 17 strikes, 14 balls, got two outs, walked a hitter and then gave up a couple of hits leading to two runs.

That was it, five innings, 2 hits, 4 walks, 4 K's, 51 strikes, 36 balls, 59% strikes.

Hodgie - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#286202) #

The fact that you can pluck a couple of isolated half-decent players from two separate drafts says nothing about the success or failure of the strategy used to select them.

As was already mentioned Stroman was the compensatory pick for losing Beede and is entirely relevant to the discussion as is Norris who was projected as a hard sign. The strategy is certainly open to criticism but but speaking in such absolutes is probably ill-advised - as is ignoring and/or marginalizing Top 100 prospects as evidence to the contrary.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 04:45 PM EDT (#286204) #

Sanchez will be 22 in July. He has not yet found his control, nor has he shown durability. Neither had Sandy Koufax at the same age.

It seems to me though that the club is coming to a fork with him. They can either stretch him out- have him regularly throw 100 pitches unless he's getting battered about- to prepare him for a starting role, or move him into the ace reliever role.

ayjackson - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#286205) #

If they are leaning towards reliever, they should trade him. I'm sure there are plenty of teams that believe they could develop him as a starter. Sanchez for Salmondijon would be a start.

Beyonder - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#286207) #

It's irrelevant who the compensatory picks was for Beede (although Metafour was right -- thanks for the correction). My point is that if your goal is to squeeze excess value from a draft, then the punting strategy has been a failure -- at least the way the Jays have executed it. This isn't to say they didn't draft a half-decent prospect here and there (every draft class by every team in every year does that), but that they didn't get excess value -- in fact in this last years draft they got far less.

I can see that someone kindly bumped up our old posts on this issue in the "Barreto, Bibens thread". I stand by everything I said there (and my memory was fresher then).

rfan8 - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#286208) #

Does Sanchez have problems pitching out of the stretch? In his last outing against the Sox he did almost the same thing (i.e. perfect for 2 2/3 and then put a couple of guys on, a couple of hits later and he's out of the game - probably hit the innings limit). Personally, I think 22 is too early to turn him into a reliever. Give him more time.

I also don't mind the fact they baby the HS kids. I'm sure someone has already said this, but at 18 they still have a boy's body. It's not until you're 22-24 that you're body is able to take more stress. It's easy to tell the difference with guys in the NBA for instance. They all get so much bigger and stronger. Maybe if we baby our pitchers a little early on they will last longer.

rfan8 - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#286209) #

That should read pitch limit, not innings limit.

I also wanted to add that one of the BA guys tweeted that almost half of the HS guys drafted in round 1 from 2010-2012 (7 of 15 I think) have had TJ or are scheduled for it. That's pretty scary.

uglyone - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#286212) #

"If they are leaning towards reliever, they should trade him"

now might be the ideal time to sell high on him, like it was the ideal time for the phillies to sell high on Drabek.

then again, it might not be.

PeterG - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#286220) #

Sanchez is not going to be a reliever....doubt the thought has even crossed the mind of anyone in Jays org.....listening to some of that NH game this morning. He is on pitch count and went to 90....does not sound like babying. He gives up very few hits but has to cut down on walks........give it a little time.....no worse in that respect than any current jays starter not named Buerhle.

I hope we don't trade for Shark...asking price is too high.......let someone else pay it......I would be trying to move Rasmus or Lind (maybe both) for pitching or 2b.....and btw, Goins is hitting .333 with Bisons so far.....

greenfrog - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#286221) #

I doubt the Cubs would give up Samardzija for Sanchez.

ayjackson - Tuesday, May 13 2014 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#286223) #

Well the compelling offseason rumour was a package led by Stroman or Sanchez. The Cubs righty is off to a strong start though.

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