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Esmil Rogers (1-2, 3.60) hopes to top Yu Darvish (7-2, 2.75) in the first game of this four-game set. First pitch at The Ballpark in Arlington is set for 8:05 pm Eastern.

Talking point: Gregg Zaun was on Sportsnet The Fan 590 today to say the Blue Jays should blow the whole thing up for 2013. You can listen to his comments here. Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, J.P. Arencibia, Brett Lawrie and Rajai Davis are among the players Zaun feels should be moved.

Tonight's @BlueJays lineup: Cabrera-LF Bautista-RF Encarnacion-1B Lind-DH Rasmus-CF Izturis-3B Arencibia-C Bonifacio-2B Kawasaki-SS
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CeeBee - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#274082) #
I wonder if Zaunie is worth anything.... we could trade him too.
Mike Green - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#274083) #
Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, J.P. Arencibia, Brett Lawrie and Rajai Davis are among the players Zaun feels should be moved

Not much market value there, I would think, except perhaps for Lawrie.  Is it possible for Lawrie's value to go any lower than it is now?  I suppose he could return and injure himself again in some new and exciting way.
John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#274086) #
Given how Zaun has been on broadcasts this year I'd say do the opposite of whatever he says.  Of course, if anyone is crazy enough to take on Buehrle's contract then go for it, but trading Lawrie right now would be a pretty dumb move unless the other GM feels Lawrie is a young George Brett and offers something of that high a value.
Mike Green - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#274088) #
Arencibia gets the start against Darvish tonight batting 7th behind Maicer Izturis.  Bonifacio bats 8th.  The run of .230 OBPs is a bit much.  If Izturis leads off an inning, what are the odds of Yu having a 3 up, 3 down inning, bearing in mind that he allows significantly baserunners than league average?  Maybe 1 in 2.



Alex Obal - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#274089) #
I'd probably bet against Yu given even money odds, but only because the game is in Texas, a pretty good BABIP park. I don't think that bet's a particularly big winner, though.
Chuck - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#274090) #
Vernon is 0 for 8 tonight. His slash line is down to 229/274/386.
Thomas - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#274092) #
Jesse Chavez has looked quite impressive for Oakland tonight. He's thrown a couple of very nice breaking balls.
Chuck - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#274093) #
The Yankee 4/5/6/7 hitters are a combined 0 for 28.
John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#274094) #
That was quite a game the Yankees and A's played.  The Yankees went 17 2/3 innings without scoring after the two run homer in the first with one out.  Nice to see :)  Was surprised to see Rivera brought in, but Joba was the only other guy left and he pitched the previous two days throwing 47 pitches between the two games.  The guy Rivera replaced (Clairborne) threw 1 1/3 innings after pitching in each of the previous two games.  Quite the game indeed and the  Yankees lost which makes it even better :)
Mike Green - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#274095) #
Izturis looks a lot better than his numbers at the plate.  I am waiting for him to creep upwards towards his career norms.
#2JBrumfield - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#274096) #
A couple of notes. Josh Johnson will start Sunday instead of Saturday because of a blister on his finger and R.A. Dickey will pitch in his place Saturday. Also, the Vancouver Canadians say Monday's home opener is a sell-out.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#274097) #
Rogers looks very good, doesn't he?

Izturis should do better from here on out, but remember that he's almost 33. His career norms are bolstered by his age 25-30 seasons. An OPS+ of 91 may be aiming a bit high at this stage of his career.
Chuck - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#274098) #
The Heat were down 10 and are now up 9. They are playing like the HEAT again.
John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#274100) #
Wow does Rogers look good.  7 innings just 1 run on 93 pitches?  Probably the 2nd best start this year after Dickey's 8+ shutout inning game.  Who knew?  Sure makes the choice to let him start instead of skipping his turn look like a move of genius.
Alex Obal - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#274102) #
Take a guy who relies heavily on breaking balls and remove him from Coors Field. Not the worst idea...
Magpie - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#274103) #
remove him from Coors Field. Not the worst idea...

No kidding. Coming into the season, Rogers had an 8.15 ERA at Coors and a 4.88 ERA everywhere else.

Not that anyone expected this.
BlueJayWay - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#274105) #
So apparently Arencibia now has the lowest OBP in baseball among qualified hitters.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#274106) #
Remember when AA almost landed Grilli in the off-season? Imagine how good the 'pen would have been with him in the mix.

AA deserves credit for assembling a great bullpen; he nearly managed to put together an utterly dominant one.

Intricated - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#274107) #
So apparently Arencibia now has the lowest OBP in baseball among qualified hitters.

And Lind's 0.418 OBP coming into today's action was 9 PAs shy of qualifying to be second in baseball in OBP (behind some guy named Cabrera at a lofty 0.450).  Tale of two surprises... one of major disappointment, and the other of near-amazement.
Chuck - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#274108) #
So apparently Arencibia now has the lowest OBP in baseball among qualified hitters.

You mean unqualified hitters.
Chuck - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#274109) #
7 innings just 1 run on 93 pitches?  Probably the 2nd best start this year after Dickey's 8+ shutout inning game. 

His game score, if that does anything for you, will suffer due to the just one strikeout. I think the Rangers were just 4 for 22 in balls in play off Rogers. 
ayjackson - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#274110) #
A lot of grounders though.
hypobole - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#274111) #
I almost never listen to any of Wilners pregame, but happened to be in my car today during a conversation with Will Carroll on biomechanical analysis and the Jays complete disinterest in having their pitchers tested. Wilner did say he would ask AA why the Jays haven't do so. Very curious to hear AA's reply.
greenfrog - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:30 PM EDT (#274112) #
It will be interesting to see what the lineup looks like when Reyes comes back. Reyes/Cabrera/Bautista/EE/Lind? Or Reyes/Bautista/EE/Lind/Cabrera?

I think the first option is likely, and I'm OK with it, but I do like having Bautista/EE hitting 2-3.
John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#274113) #
You'd think after 3 straight years of injuries and 30+ pitchers used AA would go 'hmmm... maybe we should look at this stuff since others who have much lower injury rates use it'. 

For example - Tampa Bay: 4 starters with 12+ starts each this year and a 5th with 9.  6 relievers with 20+ games. 17 pitchers used.  Jays?  2 starters with 12+, one other with over 7 (Morrow).  5 relievers with 20+ games.  29 pitchers used.

Tampa had 4 starters with over 30 starts last year, 4 with 29+ in 2011, 5 with 29+ in 2010 and they had plenty of turnover year to year.  Jays?  2010: 2 with 29+ (3rd with 28), 2011 just 2 over 20 (both 30+), 2012 2 over 21 (both over 30).  Total of 6 guys over 3 years with 29+ starts or just one more than the Rays had in 2011 alone.

Gee...which method seems to be working better?  Ignoring biomechanics or using them?  I wonder...

92-93 - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#274114) #
"Remember when AA almost landed Grilli in the off-season? Imagine how good the 'pen would have been with him in the mix."

Might as well add Koji Uehara to the list.
Mike Green - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#274122) #
The impressive thing for me about Rogers' performance was the fact that he only walked one in a tough context.  He was facing a pretty good batting lineup in a favourable hitting environment.  The Rangers were generally taking close pitches and running counts to 2-2 and 3-2 a lot.   With all that, he gave up 5 fly balls (1 left the yard the opposite way) and 11 ground balls (4 went for hits).  He allowed 2 line drives (both caught-luck) and induced 1 pop-up.  Obviously, you'd like to see more swings and misses. 

This is definitely a step up from the replacement starters who were given 1-3 start trials in April and May. 

Dave Till - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#274123) #

I almost never listen to any of Wilners pregame, but happened to be in my car today during a conversation with Will Carroll on biomechanical analysis and the Jays complete disinterest in having their pitchers tested.

Is this disinterest in biomechanical analysis as a concept, or merely in having their pitchers tested by Will Carroll and his firm?

The best place for this sort of thing would be the minors anyway, I think - changing a major league pitcher's mechanics would probably throw him off.

hypobole - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#274124) #
Dave, Will Carroll does not have a firm - he's a writer. You may be thinking of Rick Peterson.

Testing only provides a baseline. I've linked Lotts stories in the past. In part 2, he mentions Steve Johnson and Chris Tillman were found to have flaws when tested by the Orioles. Johnson didn't change his mechanics for the reason you mentioned, but Tillman did and hasn't seemed to lose any effectiveness.

Lylemcr - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 11:22 AM EDT (#274125) #

What is the story with Rogers?  Is this a smoke mirror or is he actually turning out to be this good?

The John Farrell for Esmil Rogers trade is looking really good now...

greenfrog - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#274126) #
One of the key plays in last night's game came in the first inning. Rogers was nibbling a bit (and/or trying to find his command) and his pitch count was rising with two on and only one out. He induced a DP grounder to get out of the inning and was rock-solid (and efficient) after that.
hypobole - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#274127) #
Both Tamra and I posted the link about JPA's positive pitch framing. I expected there to be a bit more discussion on the subject.

It was pointed out his 5th place among catchers was due to the sheer amount of innings he's logged. If you cut his innings and results in half, there would be 31 catchers with more innings in MLB, and his +22 rating (half his +44) would still be better than 25 of those 31. So there's that. It was also pointed out there needs to be a much larger sample size of innings before the numbers would "count".

I do think framing is real. Last night AJP helped turn an Izturis walk into a K with a nice frame on a 3-2 pitch 90% of umps would call a ball 90% of the time. I just don't think framing is being properly measured or even can be. Here is my theory.

The framing stats use Pitch f/x. Umps strike zones do not match Pitch f/x. Balls a few inches outside (as long as they aren't too close to the top or bottom of the zone)are called strikes by most umps. Catchers can also steal an extra inch or inches with good frames, but if a catcher sets his glove a couple of inches outside and doesn't move his glove at all, most umps will call a strike if the pitcher hits the glove. Even a high school catcher can do that.

Strikes at the very bottom of the zone are called balls by most umps. That is also the area catchers pick up most of their negative framing numbers. Some staffs have a lot of sinkerballers with high GB rates. A catcher on this type of staff would have a heck of a time putting up positive framing numbers.

I'm of the thought now catcher framing numbers are a lot more dependant on pitchers and umps than many people realize, and simply aren't even close to being accurately measurable with current technology.

John Northey - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#274128) #
Well, Farrell & Yan Gomes who has a 271/287/542 line for Cleveland in 101 PA primarily as a catcher (28 games vs 1 at 1B and 1 at DH).  Gomes basically is becoming JPA but doing better than JPA so far.  David Carpenter was also lost in those trades, sent to Boston with Farrell but Boston lost him on waivers to Houston where he has thrown 12 2/3 IP 10 H 8 BB 12 SO 1.42 ERA although with that wildness I doubt his ERA will stay low for long.

Yeah, I'd do that trade again.  Gomes always showed an ability to hit, but his defense was questioned and given he probably will end up in the JPA ballpark as a hitter I don't see a spot for him here.  Carpenter is a bit too wild for my tastes.  Meanwhile Rogers is looking better and better with each start.

Mike Green - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#274129) #
What is the story with Rogers?  Is this a smoke mirror or is he actually turning out to be this good?

He's got an ERA of 1.26 as a starter and no, he is not Ed Walsh.  If he's able to control his four-seamer, his two-seamer and his slider (which he wasn't able to do in Colorado) and throw 90-100 pitches every 5 days, he's a perfectly reasonable starting pitcher.  He is throwing more sliders than before, and I wonder how his arm will hold up.  Maybe he is the next Villanueva, good for 100-120 decent innings in a year and no more.  Even if that is all he can do, it is something that the club really needs.
Gerry - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#274130) #

The Mop-Up duty study is not a full framing study (I should say that I haven't gone back to look at the methodology used by others who have studied this).  It looks at pitches in and out of the strike zone that are called differently from what the tracking software calls them and gives all of the credit to the catcher.  But the pitcher plays a role too.  We have seen pitchers who consistently hit their spot, even if it is off the plate, get a strike called.  If you believe Sportsnet's pitch trax then Casey Janssen gets a lot of outside pitches called a strike.  This is not a framing issue it is a pitcher hitting his spot issue.  I have not seen enough games to see whether Buehrle, Morrow, Johnson or Rogers contribute to this too.

The Mop-Up duty study does provide some information but it cannot be considered the answer to the question.

I know in these issues data is more reliable than the eye.  But you rarely see JPA catch a low pitch and bring it up an inch like Jose Molina would do.  Too often he catches those balls with his glove going down.  Maybe he is better on the edges, I don't know.

There is a couple of other factors to consider.  First, what methodology was used by the studies that concluded that JPA was not the top framing catcher in the AL and which methodology do you think should deliver a more accurate assessment?  Secondly we are over-exposed to JPA compared to other catchers.  Maybe most catchers have an issue with framing and as Blue Jay fans we compare JPA to Jose Molina, rather than to the other 12 catchers who catch similarly to JPA. 

hypobole - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#274131) #
Gerry, using individual umps heat maps, rather than pitch f/x would be more accurate, though far more difficult. If Molina can get a strike call on a low pitch that is technically a strike, but almost always called a ball, he should get a +1, not 0. If a strike is called on a pitch 2 inches outside, one that ump almost always calls a strike, the catcher should get a 0, not a +1.

That would be a good start to determine some accuracy.
uglyone - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#274136) #
Personally i thought jpa made a distinct improvement in framing last year, and that has mostly carried over to this year.

and our pitching staff, other than buehrle, janssen, oliver, loup, is not famous for hitting their spots - all of dickey, johnson, morrow, happ, romero, santos, delabar, cecil, rogers, lincoln, have struggled with command more often than not.

and the molina worship has always been over the top...he certainly isn't helping the rays' pitchers look better this year.
AWeb - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#274137) #

I'm of the thought now catcher framing numbers are a lot more dependant on pitchers and umps than many people realize, and simply aren't even close to being accurately measurable with current technology.

Some of the studies that have been done have accounted for pitching staff by looking at catchers on the same team - lots of cases where teams have catchers that differ greatly in framing results despite catching the same pitchers. Some umps are going to be more susceptible, but teams aren't matching catchers to umpires (which would make evaluation hard, actually, since it would confound the catchers and umpires) as far as I know. So the umpires come out in the wash of the analysis.

And the best studies have done it based on expected value of pitches - that is, if an outside pitch is a ball 70% of the time, and it's called a strike, the catcher gets .7 of a strike "credit". The mop-up duty study is a rougher version of that, but I don't see an issue with it. Like anything in baseball, you'll get some unusual streaks. People tend to be very, very resistant to the idea that defensive play can be streaky, but it really does happen. Sometimes, Arencibia, a completely average framer of pitches, might, through a weird combination of ump calls and pitch opportunities (can only steal/lose strikes in certain places), might end up looking great for a while. Same way he looks like a 40 HR hitter for a month or two each year. Same way that Trout got to "steal" 4HR last year - you might go all year and never get a chance to do that again.

Mike Green - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#274139) #
To my eyes, Arencibia is generally a poor framer of pitches, up, down, inside and out, essentially for the reasons Gerry describes above.  On the inside and outside pitch, he routinely moves the glove away from the plate while catching the pitch even if it is right on the edge. It is an anticipation problem.  A good framer gets the glove where the pitch is going well in advance of arrival and holds it there (or subtly snakes it in a very, very small amount). 
greenfrog - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#274142) #
One issue that I'm interested in is the calling of pitches. A few times this year I've noticed JP calling for the same pitch and/or location over and over again -- a potential predictability issue.

Last night, this issue had a different twist, as Zaun pointed out. On the Cruz HR, Arencibia called for several pitches outside, but Rogers then shook him off when JP called for an inside pitch -- which was probably a good idea, as Cruz eventually hit an opposite-field HR on yet another outside pitch. In Zaun's view, JP should have gone out to the mound to assert his view rather than let Rogers shake him off and go outside again.

On the plus side, at least Arencibia had the right call in mind.
Dewey - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#274152) #
Another excerpt from the Smithsonian Institute article I cited the other day [Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#274029) #]   [http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/05/how-the-human-brain-tracks-a-100-mph-fastball/] , this time a propos of JPA’s framing skills (and, not incidentally, of his strikeouts)  Maybe the kid needs glasses?  Or a quicker brain.
“New research shows our brains have a specialized system to anticipate the location of moving objects, located in V5 region of the visual cortex.
Throwing a baseball is hard. As xkcd pointed out just yesterday, [fascinating, worth checking out.  See excerpt below] accurately throwing a strike requires that a pitcher release the ball at an extremely precise moment—doing so more than half a millisecond too early or too late causes it to miss the strike zone entirely. Because it takes far longer (a full five milliseconds) just for our nerve impulses to cover the distance of our arm, this feat requires the brain to send a signal to to the hand to release the ball well before the arm has reached its proper throwing position.
The one feat even more difficult than throwing a fastball, though, might be hitting one. There’s a 100 millisecond delay between the moment your eyes see an object and the moment your brain registers it. As a result, when a batter sees a fastball flying by at 100 mph, it’s already moved an additional 12.5 feet by the time his or her brain has actually registered its location.”

Excerpt from xkcd piece:
we’re just about the only animal that can grab a random object and reliably nail a target. In fact, we’re so good at it that some researchers have suggested rock-throwing played a central role in the evolution of the modern human brain.[3][4]
Throwing is hard. In order to deliver a baseball to a batter, a pitcher has to release the ball at exactly the right point in the throw. A timing error of half a millisecond in either direction is enough to cause the ball to miss the strike zone.[5]
To put that in perspective, it takes about five milliseconds for the fastest nerve impulse to travel the length of the arm.[6] That means that when your arm is still rotating toward the correct position, the signal to release the ball is already at your wrist. In terms of timing, this is like a drummer dropping a drumstick from the 10th story and hitting a drum on the ground on the correct beat.


92-93 - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#274154) #
"Both Tamra and I posted the link about JPA's positive pitch framing. I expected there to be a bit more discussion on the subject."

I think it was met with silence because the majority of people here watch the games and reject the premise.
Magpie - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#274155) #
I think it was met with silence

A few thoughts:
1) obviously the biggest problem with using Pitch F/X is that the day of the robot umpire is not upon us and so the opinion of Pitch F/X as to what is a ball and what is a strike is about as relevant as my opinion;
2) the Jays pitchers rank 26th in the majors in not walking hitters, which means assertions of Arencibia's ability to gain strikes for his pitcher just isn't going to pass the smell test, and also brings us to
3) we can certainly see Arencibia moves his glove far more behind the plate than would be ideal, but a lot of that may be because his damn pitchers can't hit his glove.
John Northey - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#274159) #
I thought it was interesting more because of the volume of pitches that JPA caught that were missed strikes or missed balls by the ump.  Without checking the details, I wonder if JPA is one of the highest 'screwed up call' catchers around and if so what that would indicate.  Probably indicates he moves the glove way too much thus confusing umps - sometimes to his pitchers advantage sometime to the detriment.
hypobole - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#274162) #
I think it was met with silence because the majority of people here watch the games and reject the premise.

Does Gibbons watch the games? I thought Thole would be getting at least some starts vs RH pitching, but Gibbons seems to have some massive inexplicable love for JPA.
Mike Green - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 08:16 PM EDT (#274164) #
Word.  The explanation for today is perhaps that Dickey is making a 4:05 start tomorrow, and you wouldn't want Thole to get 2 starts in a row in less than 24 hours.  Which doesn't explain why he didn't start yesterday.
Magpie - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#274165) #
Which doesn't explain why he didn't start yesterday.

Because he's the backup. This isn't a job-share. I know you want a job-share, and pretty well all of us here hope he ends up getting a bigger share of the catching workload. But he is not going to have that given to him. He's going to have to earn it.
Spifficus - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#274168) #
I thought Gibbons said a start or two ago that he liked the way JP and Buhrle were working together as of late, and wanted to keep that going.
uglyone - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#274170) #
"I think it was met with silence because the majority of people here watch the games and reject the premise."

wait - are you saying this is a good thing or a bad thing?
Mike Green - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 10:26 PM EDT (#274182) #
If it is Gibbons' notion that Arencibia is the starter and Thole is the back-up, this reflects badly on his talent evaluation skills.  It is not as though Thole is a 22 year old trying to beat out an established average major leaguer.  Arencibia has been a below-average major league regular his entire career and he's having a poor season.  Thole has been at the same level of performance or better and is returning after a concussion. 



greenfrog - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#274183) #
Mike: Thole > Arencibia. We get it.
Alex Obal - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 10:33 PM EDT (#274185) #
Obviously, you'd like to see more swings and misses [from Rogers]...

I didn't see the game, but it might have been a preemptive adjustment after Rogers induced 9 swinging strikes in 73 pitches last time and generally made the Rangers look hopeless on breaking balls in the dirt.
Mike Green - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#274186) #
Earlier, a number of people were suggesting that it wasn't really Gibbons' call.  One gets the idea that Gibbons may not have been pressuring Anthopoulos to have Thole called up earlier.  It's worth remembering when it comes time to take stock in October. 

Anyways, it is good to see Buehrle now pitching well with Arencibia.  Early on in the season, he seemed to be visibly frustrated with JPA.

Magpie - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 11:51 PM EDT (#274189) #
a number of people were suggesting that it wasn't really Gibbons' call.

I think it would be pretty hard for this type of GM, someone who never played pro ball, to dictate the daily lineup. I also don't get the impression that Anthopoulos is that much of a control freak, someone who micro-manages his organization. I hope not, anyway.
China fan - Saturday, June 15 2013 @ 05:09 AM EDT (#274196) #
"....If it is Gibbons' notion that Arencibia is the starter and Thole is the back-up, this reflects badly on his talent evaluation skills...."

What bothers me sometimes is the tendency to make sweeping statements that acknowledge no doubt or complexity or nuance. There are multiple plausible reasons why Gibbons might prefer to have JPA handling the majority of games and the majority of pitchers for this team at this point in the season. And where exactly has Thole been clearly superior to Arencibia? Both of those players have hit well in the minors, and JPA would certainly post gaudy numbers if he was in Buffalo this season -- so this proves nothing. In the majors, Thole has not posted an OPS above .690 since the 2010 season. You don't get a starting job handed to you, on a team where you're unfamiliar with the pitchers, without stronger reasons than that. Everyone would like to see the Jays getting better offense and defense from their catchers, and Thole might eventually be part of the answer, but you can't blame Gibbons for failing to hand the job to Thole on a silver platter.
China fan - Saturday, June 15 2013 @ 05:13 AM EDT (#274197) #
"....Early on in the season, he seemed to be visibly frustrated with JPA...."

He was visibly frustrated with himself. If there is any evidence that Buehrle blamed JPA for his poor start to the season, I'd like to see it.
ayjackson - Saturday, June 15 2013 @ 07:49 AM EDT (#274200) #
I agree with Mike. Beurhle was definitely frustrated with JP earlier in the year. The underlying frustration was his pitching, but it appeared outwardly directed towards his catcher.
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