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I was born in a house with the television always on, guess I grew up too fast and I forgot my name.

You can't love the fact lefty Chris Sale (5-4, 2.68) will be on the mound for the Pale Hole. Esmil Rogers (1-2, 3.60) gets another start for the Blue Jays at 8:10pm Eastern on the South Side of Chicago.

Posted by #2JBrumfield on Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 03:02 PM EDT.

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Mike Forbes - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#274014) #

Game postponed.

John Northey - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#274016) #

Weird to postpone it nearly 6 hours before game time. Guess it must be a major storm and forecast to not stop for a long time.

So do you skip Rogers then and continue with the regular rotation? I suspect so. Thus a deeper pen for Buehrle's start and Rogers goes Monday against the Rockies at home, or do you have Rogers start Sunday against Texas and Wang against the Rockies?

uglyone - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#274017) #

So I was looking at the numbers again, and saw a new angle to describe the disaster that is our pitching staff this year.

Mark Buehrle was projected as our #3 or #4 SP coming into this year.

Mark Buehrle is having the worst season of his entire career, and worse than the most pessimistic projection systems pegged him at.

yet Mark Buehrle has been our best starter this year.

Thomas - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#274018) #

So do you skip Rogers then and continue with the regular rotation? I suspect so

I would have, too, but the Jays have announced that every starter will be pushed back a day and Rogers will start the series opener in Texas.

Richard S.S. - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#274019) #

I always thought they didn't want Dickey pitching the last game of a Series. No advantage to us that way.

Mike Green - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#274020) #

Part of the difference between the starters and the pen is the HR/FB difference. If you look at xFIP, you probably get a truer picture. Janssen and Cecil have pitched very, very well by this measure, but the other relievers are largely looking good because very few flyballs are flying out of the yard. The starters have been disappointing, but not as bad as their ERAs would suggest. Ramon Ortiz was hit hard, but you knew that.

92-93 - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#274021) #

The team has 2 dependable starters in Morrow and Dickey, one guy fresh off an injury in Johnson, and two big question marks in Rogers and Wang. There's little help on the immediate horizon. Under these circumstances it makes a lot of sense to continue stretching out Rogers, because it's very possible he'll be needed in the rotation for as long as he shows he can handle it.

JB21 - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#274023) #

Morrow and dependable in the same sentence, that must've been an error, haha.

92-93 - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#274024) #

Touche. I meant Buehrle. Rogers needs to pitch tomorrow precisely because of the uncertainty surrounding Morrow.

Richard S.S. - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#274025) #

Dickey was hurt and played thru it. Morrow however was mostly a wuss about his.

John Northey - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 06:32 PM EDT (#274026) #

Good point 92-93 about Rogers needing to be stretched out. Plus he has done well as a starter so might as well give the rotation that extra day and see if it helps overall.

Rogers is interesting. When the Jays were using him as a reliever normally is used (2 or fewer IP) he had a 5.95 ERA over 20 games. 23% LD rate, 8% swing and miss, 62% strikes thrown.
Then the Jays started stretching him out. 3+ IP in 4 games plus a 2 IP relief appearance. During that stretch he has a 0.59 ERA over 15 1/3 IP. 30% LD rate, 9% swing and miss, 62% strikes thrown.

A lot of stuff the same, but the results are massively different. His stretched out BB/9=2.9 K/9=7.6; his normal relief BB/9=3.2 K/9=5.0. 2 HR given up in relief (19 2/3 IP), 0 as stretched out (15 1/3 IP).

Seems like smoke and mirrors, but it sure is working nicely. Sure wouldn't have predicted it. Might as well ride the wave as they say.

BlueJayWay - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#274027) #

Holy cripes is Arencibia ever terrible. There now with the necessaries out of the way.....

Dickey was hurt and played thru it. Morrow however was mostly a wuss about his.

This is interesting, because, apparently (I didn't hear it) Hayhurst was saying just this on Baseball Central the other day, and that a lot of the clubhouse feels the same way.

jerjapan - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#274028) #

The pen is beyond deep, and the rotation is scarily shallow, so I'm starting to come around to the idea expressed by numerous posters that we need to stretch out a reliever or two for the back end of the rotation.

who are the candidates? cecil has dominated from the pen this year, and you don't want to mess with success like that, especially given his mediocrity as a starter. that said, with oliver back, loup looking more legit by the day, luis perez on the way back and funky perez as a loogy, we have tons of lefty depth. from the right side is rogers ... is that it? carreno has been lights out in the minors and there are a lot of guys ahead of him on the bullpen depth chart ... lincoln?

I'm assuming that mcgowan is a reliever come hell or high water, and that the club will go slowly with drabeck and hutchison in their rehab ...

Dewey - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#274029) #

No game tonight, so I'll post this here.

I recently came across an item from the May issue of the Smithsonian Institute’s magazine, The Smithsonian, about how the brain tracks a fastball. It’s fascinating; and it makes clear why baseball is such an extraordinarily difficult game. Ted Williams assertion that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports is certainlysupported by this research. (The article suggests that pitching is no walk in the park either.)

http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2013/05/how-the-human-brain-tracks-a-100-mph-fastball/

A brief paragraph:

“In a study published today [May 8, 2013] in the journal Neuron, UC Berkeley researchers used fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) to pinpoint the prediction mechanisms in the brain that enable hitters to track pitches (and enable all sorts of people to envision the paths of moving objects in general). They found that the brain is capable of effectively “pushing” forward objects along in their trajectory from the moment it first sees them, simulating their path based on their direction and speed and allowing us to unconsciously project where they’ll be a moment later.”

I hope that the Smithsonian link works; or, failing that, that the UC Berkeley one does.

Thomas - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#274030) #

Under these circumstances it makes a lot of sense to continue stretching out Rogers, because it's very possible he'll be needed in the rotation for as long as he shows he can handle it.

It's not at all clear to me that Rogers couldn't continue to be stretched out by throwing a simulated game or bullpen session while skipping his turn and continuing to keep Buehrle and Dickey on regular rest. (As an alternative, if you thought it'd be beneficial to give Johnson an extra day off, you could have moved Rogers behind Buehrle and given Johnson an extra day and keeping Buehrle on regular rest.)

ayjackson - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#274031) #

Does that suggest more evidence of "seeing the ball well"? Or "being in the zone"? Surely a human brain's capacity to perform such a function might vary due to other conditions in the body?

Magpie - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#274032) #

Holy cripes is Arencibia ever terrible. There now with the necessaries out of the way....

Seconded, but it's also possible he's paying the price for Hank White (aka Henry Blanco.) Arencibia's been worked awfully hard - only one catcher has caught more innings, and Arencibia's defensive innings have often run a little longer. He held up to the workload for the first six weeks, but over the last month something got him (.165/.196/.299). Which is another reason Thole should have been here a month ago.

katman - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#274033) #

Richard: Dickey was hurt and played thru it. Morrow however was mostly a wuss about his.

BJW: This is interesting, because, apparently (I didn't hear it) Hayhurst was saying just this on Baseball Central the other day, and that a lot of the clubhouse feels the same way.

That's odd, because it looks like a simple difference to grasp. Dickey isn't going to do damage to himself throwing a knuckleball with a stiff back/neck, and the club was beyond out of options at the time. Taking nothing away from him, what he did was great, because he knew his effectiveness and stats would suffer. As they have.

Morrow could very well damage himself, seriously, throwing 95 mph fastballs with a strained forearm. And while our depth isn't ideal, we're at a point where one more guy could go down, and Jenkins would be at least an acceptable alternative. So why take this chance?

You'd think baseball players would get this.

Personally, I hope that if Morrow returns, and we have a 5th option that's decent, and Dickey's still hurting, we finally give him a week or 2 to get better.

John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 06:21 AM EDT (#274037) #

Complaints about a guy being hurt and not playing reminds me of the Kelly Gruber mess back in the early 90's. He seemed hurt all the time and no one could figure it out so people thought he was just a wuss. Then he was out of baseball and had a doctor look at his neck when he found it near impossible to move. Turned out there was something wrong, and once fixed he was fine. He tried a comeback but was in his 30's by then and the rep of being wimpy hurt him I'm sure. Pretty silly as there was something seriously wrong causing him pain but since it wasn't a bone sticking out of him no one believed it.

MLB players are super-competitive. With extremely rare exceptions (normally someone who knows their career is almost over and just wants a few ML paycheques while on the DL) they would rather be playing than rehabbing. They know if you aren't playing your job is in jeopardy. Thus if I hear a player feels unable to play I tend to believe the player.

92-93 - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 08:58 AM EDT (#274039) #

What's not clear to me, Thomas, is why anybody would be rushing to get Dickey, Buehrle, Johnson, and Wang back on the mound when Rogers has shown enough in his first 2 starts that he's staying in the rotation and none of the other 4 have an ERA under 5. I also don't think you properly appreciate what it means to get stretched out; it's not something that can be "simulated" on the bullpen mound.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#274041) #

It might be helpful to have a look back at Esmil Rogers' minor league career. Through age 23 in the Texas League, he was an effective starter, posting an ERA under 4 in the California League (that's good) and an ERA under 2.5 in the Texas League. He moved to Colorado Springs and then Colorado and flopped, and was moved to the pen.

It appears to me that the organization is treating his conversion from the bullpen back to the rotation seriously. Given his stuff and his record, that is a move I can applaud.

Chuck - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#274043) #

I agree that the idea of trying to convert Rogers into a starter, if even just a 5-inning starter, is a worthwhile endeavour. He won't be missed in the bullpen -- you can always scare up someone to throw the slop innings -- and given the fragility of and lack of the depth in the rotation, even a serviceable starter can play a useful role on this team. I think it's worthwhile finding out if Rogers can pull off a Woody Williams career transition. Odds are he can't, but it seems useful to find out if he can, especially in this seemingly lost season.

John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#274044) #

Well, I've said for this year to recover we need some good surprises and so far Rogers as a starter is one of them. Given we all know the negative surprises what are the good ones?

Rogers doing well as a starter (1.23 ERA in 2 starts, sub 1 if you factor in his 2 & 3 inning stretching out exercise before moving to the rotation)
Juan Perez and Neil Wagner both being solid since called up (11 games, 16 1/3 IP 9 H 2 R 1 ER 3 BB 13 SO)
Brett Cecil being a VERY effective reliever (1.59 ERA, 10.3 K/9, 2.4 BB/9 0.3 HR/9)
Delabar, Loup, Janssen also under 3 for ERA
Lind hitting 344/418/540 for a 159 OPS+ - even better than his 'career year'. Could've made a fortune betting on that.
Mark DeRosa still over 100 for OPS+ (figured he'd be closer to 50 than 100)

Other things of note: Bautista is now up to 141 for OPS+, Encarnacion 132, while Rasmus is at 106 - all doing very nicely. Davis still over 100 too at 102. Cabrera almost back there now up to 92 after a horrid April...hitting 313/350/447 in May/June.

So there are good things out there. Reyes should be back soon, hopefully Lawrie not far off too. Johnson is back and had one good and one blah game which is actually hopeful this year. Happ should be back soon too and Wang ate a lot of innings (most you can hope for from a scrap heap pick up).

92-93 - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#274046) #

The team is 15-12 since the 13-24 start. Nothing earth shattering, but a solid 90 win pace. Gotta play .600 or better to get back in it, though.

Beyonder - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 11:28 AM EDT (#274047) #

Barring a 180 degree turnaround, I hope AA uses some of these nice surprises from the bullpen to pull off a Rasmus-type deal. Buster Olney wrote this morning that Detroit will need to upgrade its closer situation, and floated Jansen's name as a trade possibility. I wonder whether Jansen + Cecil could fetch Nick Castellanos (who has no obvious career path to an MLB job in Detroit).

John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#274048) #

Beyonder - if Detroit traded a prospect rated #21 for 2 relievers I'd be shocked. AA would do that deal in a second...although given his history he'd probably try to get some more out of Detroit too :) Of course, where would you play Castellanos? LF is Cabrera, 3B is Lawrie and 1B is Encarnacion while Lind has reclaimed DH and RF is Bautista.

Nigel - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 12:34 PM EDT (#274049) #

Notwithstanding the 2 year contract, Cabrera should not be blocking anyone who could actually be more than a 4th outfielder type in LF.

Spifficus - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#274050) #

Given all the justified consternation over 2B this year, someone like Kolten Wong would be my preferred target.

John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#274051) #

If the Jays got another outfielder then things could get interesting. Gose looked good while up, Sierra has potential, and adding another would be interesting.

Cabrera shouldnt block anyone, but he would. He has hit well since April ended, and with the contract and vet status it would be hard to see the Jays pushing him to the bench unless he gets that 100 game suspension.

Beyonder - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#274053) #

Hey John. I don't think it would be any more shocking than St. Louis parting with Colby Rasmus (in 2009 the #3 prospect in baseball, and who in 2010 posted an OPS+ of 132) for Dotel, Edwin Jackson, Corey Patterson, and Marc Rzepczynski.

Detroit needs a closer, and there will be very few on the market as good as Jansen. Plus, we seem to have a number of arms that look like they might be able to take on the role (Delabar, Santos when he returns). Castellanos isn't rated quite as highly by Keith Law (38th overall), and as I said, Detroit has no place for him to play.

As much as I like the season Lind is happening, I don't think you let him (or Melky) stand in the way of a top-tier prospect (if you beleive Castellanos is that).

John Northey - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#274054) #

True enough Beyonder. As I said, AA would do that trade in a heartbeat although he'd try to sneak more in. I would too.

Relievers are very valuable in a single season, but their value is so much in flux that you cannot predict very far into the future. Hitters, on the other hand, tend to be very predictable, or at least within a smaller range than relievers are. Janssen is a big risk - he has one year left on his contract and is having a great year...heck, 4 very solid years in the pen. His team option of $4 mil for next year is a lock. But right now is the peak of his value. If you are going to the playoffs you want him. If you are not then trading him makes tons of sense. As a free agent you won't make a qualifying offer ($13+ mil for one year) thus you'd lose him and have nothing in return or you'd commit to his age 33-35 seasons (I suspect he'd get a 3 year deal) at closer rates (near $10 mil a year).

Cecil has been great in the pen and, like Janssen, you'd hate to lose him. He also has more years of team control - he is in arbitration years and will be under team control through the end of the 2016 season. I'd try to use Steve Delabar instead of one of those 2 if possible (much wilder) or another club might insist on all 3. You can remake another teams bullpen and still have lots here too - Wagner & Perez have been nice finds, Loup is doing well, Rogers will likely be back there soon (whenever Morrow & Happ return), the other Perez will be here in a month, and there are others I'm sure worth mixing in. Gibbons has shown a skill with pens, might as well take advantage if an opportunity arises. Good young hitters are always worth having, and if the Jays keep developing relievers and convert them to hitters I say go for it.

China fan - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#274056) #

"....Morrow however was mostly a wuss about his...."

If there is a quote from Hayhurst that backs this up, someone should give us the full quote and the exact words, because I've too often seen people giving inaccurate summaries of something they vaguely heard on the radio, or (in this case) something they heard 2nd-hand or 3rd-hand from someone else who might have heard it.

And even if Hayhurst did say it: he is paid to be provocative and have outrageous opinions. He's not in the dressing room -- how does he know Morrow's state of mind?

I think it's unfair to slam someone's character from the vantage point of the spectator stands. How do we know the level of pain that Morrow is feeling? How can we fairly judge whether he is a coward or courageous? It's incredibly arrogant for outsiders to judge someone's character on the basis of such skimpy information, from the vantage point of the seats or the press box.

For what it's worth: Morrow said the decision to scratch him from the rotation was not his decision. He said it was "out of his hands." And Gibbons confirmed that it was the team's decision, not Morrow's decision.

But if any fan has evidence that Morrow is a liar and a cowardly wimp, let's hear the evidence, please. Otherwise it's just unsubstantiated innuendo from anonymous Internet commenters.

Beyonder - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#274057) #

Apropos of yesterday's discussion about Morrow's injury, this is from a fangraphs interview with R.A. Dickey.

"Sarris: How does this relate to, you called it 75% effort vs when you were a conventional thrower… Did this remind you of your age? The thing about knuckleballers is “oh, they can pitch forever.”

Dickey: I don’t know if it reminds me of my age, as I look to my left and right, I see far younger players on the DL for far lesser things."

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/r-a-dickey-talks-about-his-health/

China fan - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#274058) #

"...Apropos of yesterday's discussion about Morrow's injury, this is from a fangraphs interview with R.A. Dickey...."

Again, how do we know that Dickey's comment was a reference to Morrow? Nobody was named in his comment. Why would we assume that he is publicly slamming his teammates? Quite possibly he was referring to other MLB players, not necessarily his own teammates.

And even if somehow Dickey was referring to Morrow: a knuckleballer doesn't need the same range of motion as a fireballer like Morrow. Even if Morrow went onto the DL with a "lesser thing" than Dickey, it's quite possible that the "lesser thing" has a greater impact on someone who relies on a 95 mph fastball.

Beyonder - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#274059) #

My message wasn't meant as a response to yours China fan. They were sent almost simulaneously. I don't know that the reference was to Morrow. I just thought that it was some coincidence that yesterday we were having this discussion about Morrow's toughness, and today I read a comment from Dickey that is at least consistent with that theory.

Thomas - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#274060) #

If it's not clear to you, then when did you call Buehrle (and Dickey) dependable starters and Rogers a question mark earlier in the thread?

China fan - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#274061) #

".... a comment from Dickey that is at least consistent with that theory..."

I agree that Dickey's comment was interesting, and worth posting here for discussion. I'm just not sure that he was referring to Morrow. (Or to Johnson -- another theory circulating.)

Magpie - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#274062) #

If I was a pitcher on this team and I felt the slightest twinge in my forearm, I'd be very nervous indeed. Unless I was the one guy who doesn't have an ulnar collateral ligament.

eudaimon - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:30 PM EDT (#274063) #

I think this quote from Dickey is also worth pointing out:

"...No, because if I was a conventional pitcher, with this injury, I’d be out. There would be no way. I couldn’t pitch. In fact, in Texas I had a similar injury to my rhomboid in 2004 and I was out for more than a month."

His comment may have been more of a reference to how, as an unconventional pitcher, he is more able to work through injuries than he would as a "conventional" pitcher. Seems fair as even the "fast" knuckler goes about 80.

Ryan Day - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#274064) #

2011 Colby Rasmus was also slumping and clashing with the coaching staff. There was more to that trade than a simple talent exchange (though St Louis still did pretty well by that standard).

92-93 - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#274065) #

Hayhurst's exact words on Morrow were "I think he's soft". Blair echoed that sentiment and said he's heard similar things around the clubhouse.

92-93 - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#274066) #

"Dependable" and "good" are not synonymous, Thomas.

Chuck - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#274067) #

Santos when he returns

Should be here any time. I heard he hitched a ride with Godot.

electric carrot - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#274070) #

Should be here any time. I heard he hitched a ride with Godot.

Not possible. I'm in my car with Godot right now. We're on our way to buy cheetos for tonight's game.

Magpie - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#274072) #

Nothing to be done.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#274074) #

I wouldn't be calling any pitcher with an arm problem a wuss. The very nature of pitching is extremely stressful on the elbow and shoulder joints and fear of doing significant damage to one's health and livelihood is entirely reasonable. I remember the former GM making unpleasant comments about A.J. Burnett when he had very painful active release therapy and not being happy about it at all.

There is something strange about a clubhouse code which suggests that it is OK to tell a reporter that your injured teammate is a wuss but not OK to tell a reporter that your healthy teammate made a boneheaded move on the basepaths or mad a pathetic effort to bunt. Testosterone at work, if you ask me.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#274075) #

For old Torontonians, there's always been a fine line between Godot and Goddo.

China fan - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#274076) #

"....Blair echoed that sentiment and said he's heard similar things around the clubhouse..."

I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that Blair (or Hayhurst) is holding private chit-chats with the Jays about the flaws of their teammates.

If a member of the Jays roster is unhappy with the play of a teammate -- what are the odds that he decides to unburden himself to a journalist about it? Ask the beat reporters whether they are treated as "father confessor" by a well-paid MLB player who decides to betray a teammmate. I don't think it happens.

92-93 - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#274077) #

Why would you assume it's coming from the players?

China fan - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#274078) #

Why would you assume it's coming from anyone, except the personal speculation of Blair and/or Hayhurst?

And to take the question more seriously: I find it implausible that the coaches or trainers are complaining to journalists about their players. So who does that leave? I'm sure there are gossips in any clubhouse, but the level of their talkativeness is probably in inverse proportion to their level of firsthand knowledge.

Magpie - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#274079) #

a fine line between Godot and Goddo

Homophones! No line there!

uglyone - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#274080) #

Haven't we spent the last 10 years criticizing pitchers for playing through injuries and blowing up their arms as a result?

92-93 - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#274081) #

"Why would you assume it's coming from anyone, except the personal speculation of Blair and/or Hayhurst?"

I haven't made any assumptions, sorry.

Mike Green - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#274084) #

92-93 - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#274085) #

"Haven't we spent the last 10 years criticizing pitchers for playing through injuries and blowing up their arms as a result?"

Yep. There's no need for it. Rarely is a player who is injured as good as he thinks he is. Sucking it up and taking it for the team tends to actually hurt your team, as opposed to being honest with the trainers and taking rest when you need it so you play at your peak performance.

Chuck - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#274087) #

When I read Waiting for Godot, I thought that it was pronounced "Guh-doh" (a kind of precursor to Homer Simpson's exclamation, I guess). When I saw it performed and I heard it as "God-oh", I had to suppress a laugh.

When I saw it performed, many many years ago at the Shaw Festival, it was pronounced Guh-doh. Only in the last couple of years did I learn of the correct pronunciation. I prefer the incorrect one. God-oh is what a good Canadian hockey player would call his teammate if his teammate were God. These are my buddies, Gordo and Godot. Get us a beer, wouldja? Anyone seen Smitty?

Thomas - Thursday, June 13 2013 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#274091) #

"Dependable" and "good" are not synonymous, Thomas

If you can direct me to where I said they were, I'd appreciate it.

92-93 - Friday, June 14 2013 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#274116) #

I guess I should answer your question then.

"If it's not clear to you, then when did you call Buehrle (and Dickey) dependable starters and Rogers a question mark earlier in the thread?"

Buehrle and Dickey are dependable starters because they take the ball every 5 days. Rogers is a question mark because he's a reliever being stretched into a starter. I thought that much was obvious, and that you were confusing me saying they were dependable with being good.

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