Batter's Box Interactive Magazine - The Return of Osuna!

Tonight marked the first time in over a month that Robert Osuna pitched for Lansing. Marcus Stroman started on the mound today vs Erie, and performed well.

Buffalo 4 – Scranton/WB 1

Since Thad Weber was sent to Toronto, Dave Bush was given the unexpected start and was brilliant. He went 6 innings of 2 hit ball, with 0 walks, and 5 strikeouts.

Luis Jimenez, Mauro Gomez, and Jim Negrych had 2 hits, with Mauro Gomez having a 2 run blast, his 16th of the season.

New Hampshire 3 – Erie 2

Marcus Stroman, had another strong start going 5 innings giving up 4 hits, 1 earned run, to go along with 3 walks, and 8 strikeouts.

Kevin Pillar was 2-3, with a walk, Jack Murphy had 3 hits, and Brian Van Kirk had 2 hits to go along with 2 RBI’s.

Dunedin 0 – Clearwater 2 (7 Innings)

Scott Copeland had a great start giving up only 2 earned runs over 6 innings.

But, unfortunately Dunedin’s offense managed to only put up 4 hits, and no runs.

Lansing 3 – West Michigan 4 (10 Innings)

Daniel Norris started today’s game but only managed to go 1.2 innings before leaving the game with an injury. Tucker Donahue was given the loss in extra innings, as he gave up 2 hits, 2 walks, and then the eventual game losing run.

Dwight Smith was 3-5 with a double, and Aaron Munoz, was 3-4 with a double as well.

Lansing 2 – West Michigan 0 (7 Innings)

Robert Osuna had his first start in nearly a month since sitting out with elbow issues. He was brilliant in his return going 5 innings, giving up 2 hits with 0 walks and 5 strikeouts. Side-armer Wil Browning closed out the game going 2 innings, of 1 hit ball with 2 strikeouts.

Lansing had only 2 hits today, but that was more than enough, as Kevin Patterson hit a 2 run bomb after Christian Lopes singled.

Three Stars

3-Dave Bush

2-Marcus Stroman

1-Robert Osuna

Posted by tercet on Sunday, June 09 2013 @ 10:27 PM EDT.

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Richard S.S. - Sunday, June 09 2013 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#273743) #

It's hard to tell if Marcus Stroman is a Starter (he's good at it), a late-inning Reliever (he's good at it) or Scott Downs (he'll be good at it)..

John Northey - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#273745) #

Stroman is interesting. One horrid game (1 IP, 8 R, 7 ER 2 HR given up) but the rest have been fine (4 to 5 1/3 IP, 2 runs once, 1 ER twice, 0 R once). The old rule of keep him starting as long as possible applies here I think - if he can start making it through 6 without reaching 100 pitches (his limit appears to be in the 80's) and keep allowing fewer than 3 runs (with the odd bad game of course) then he'd be extremely valuable in the rotation.

2014 should be a heck of a battle for that final slot if Johnson leaves. Dickey, Buehrle, Morrow and Happ are signed. Romero is signed but has to figure out how to avoid walking everyone and to avoid the killer inning (his A+ game was the only time he allowed under 3 runs, although his last 2 games saw 2 walks total over 11 2/3 which is very promising although the 6 K's and 8 earned runs are not). Drabek & Hutchison will be back by then. Stroman should be at the AAA level pushing hard for the majors, if not here already by September. Chad Jenkins has forced himself into the picture, but he is most likely just AAA depth. Sean Nolin, of course, is high on these lists for 2014 as well after getting a (poor) emergency start up here and slaughtering AA (outside of one start). Aaron Sanchez could be in AA mid-way through this year and push for a job by mid-2014. Plus don't forget Roberto Osuna who has done very well in Lansing (including yesterday) and is ready for A+ now and might force his way up the ladder next year but most likely won't be in the serious discussion until 2015.

So for next year the depth should be amazing - just a shame those kids were not ready for this year or Drabek/Hutchison healthy now as the Jays really, really could've used them.

timpinder - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 07:54 AM EDT (#273750) #

Speaking of Sanchez, when is he expected back?

Richard S.S. - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:03 AM EDT (#273759) #

Using the site http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/8/7/3226335/defining-1-2-3-4-5-starters for the purpose of discussion, I'd like to talk about a #1 Starter. The last pitcher to fit that definition was Roy Halladay, and no one has even come close since. That's why AA drafts a lot of HS Pitchers. I believe, that baring the 2013 Draft (don't know enough), we don't have a true #1 Starter in the system.

Brandon Morrow won't be that. He's, at best, maybe a borderline #2 Starter. Josh Johnson was supposed to be that, he stuff was that good. It just hasn't showed this year, and may not ever again. A.A. would like to get another Draft Pick in 2014 (qualifying offer), but might not want J.J. back. It all depends on how good he is over the remainder of the season.

How do you know if you've got a potential Number #1 starter? **Two plus pitches **Average third pitch **Plus/plus command **Plus makeup That's a start, you should know by the time he's 20, and sometime shortly thereafter (next 6-16 months), he's called up to stay. I just don't see anyone that good enough or moving that fast enough in our system. Big arms that pitch in the upper 90s consistently don't come around but rarely and always come from HS Pitchers, who get stronger as they get older. Who's even close?

Dewey - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#273762) #

Northrey just can’t help it, I guess. He’s already in next year. Folly. As for Drabek, I wish people would stop assuming he’s ever going to be productive. Where’s the evidence? Hutchison . . . maybe; let’s wait and see.

Super Bluto - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#273763) #

So for next year the depth should be amazing

Most of that 'depth' is pretty unproven.

ayjackson - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:12 AM EDT (#273766) #

Well if those guys were "proven" and "known", they'd be more than depth, high-ceiling arms that they are. But there are five of them going for one spot, so that would qualify as depth in my books.

Bunch of contrarians around here, jeepers.

Ryan Day - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#273768) #

I'd be surprised if the Jays try Drabek in the rotation again after his second TJ surgery before the age of 25. That just seems like asking for trouble.

Drabek has great stuff. Maybe he can learn how to use it in relief.

ayjackson - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:29 AM EDT (#273771) #

Yeah. That too. I wouldn't be surprised to see Drabek starting, but I think it's the unlikelier of the two options.

Impossibles - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#273775) #

"How do you know if you've got a potential Number #1 starter? **Two plus pitches **Average third pitch **Plus/plus command **Plus makeup That's a start, you should know by the time he's 20, and sometime shortly thereafter (next 6-16 months), he's called up to stay. I just don't see anyone that good enough or moving that fast enough in our system. Big arms that pitch in the upper 90s consistently don't come around but rarely and always come from HS Pitchers, who get stronger as they get older. Who's even close?" Thats setting the bar awfully high. Those are elite #1 characteristics, Verlander only pitch 11 innings before age 23. Wainright 24, then there's your Cliff Lee's and a bunch of other great pitchers. There might be 10 pitchers in the majors who qualify by your definition. But Sanchez and Osuna both kind of fit your description, but the plus plus command requirement is debatable, lots of guys only figure that out with age.

finch - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#273777) #

Our 4th Round pick has signed.

ayjackson - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#273779) #

As has our #5 and #12, I believe.

Richard S.S. - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#273781) #

The Ace of the Staff is not the same as being a #1 Starter. Roy Halladay was a true #1 from his rebuild thru 2011 (and it was obvious earlier he was that good). Almost every #2 and good #3s (see article) can be a Team's Ace (#3s: Marcum/Romero). #1 Starters are Rare, seldom more than 5 or 6 in all of Baserball at any one time. Borderline #1s add another 1-2. Most very good Pitchers are by definition #2 Starters. The difference between #1 Starters and #2 Starters is small but very real. Some #1s develop slower, but seldom past early to early-mid 20's (20-24). After all the Difference is small and hard to recognize.

Richard S.S. - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#273783) #

Is there any site you can go to which says who has signed?

Mike Green - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 12:34 PM EDT (#273784) #

You can go to BA if you don't mind waiting for confirmation of the signings.

Richard S.S. - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#273785) #

I found this: http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2013/6/10/4414442/2013-mlb-draft-signing-table which might work.

Mylegacy - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#273787) #

A little Draft Porn - if I may...

We've drafted 40 guys (no gals this year - maybe next...)

Just "because I'm anal and bored", I took my BA Pre-Draft issue and compared our picks to their "assessments." Interesting...

Of the 40 ONLY - SIX - were even rated! Forinstance...

We drafted 12 RHPers. BA "rated" 77 RHPers. Of that 77 we drafted TWO - Phillip Bickford, our No. 1 pick was "rated" as the 8th best RHP! Not the 8th best player (remember we drafted 10th overall) - just the 8th best RHP. The other was Clinton Hollon "rated" as the 32nd best RHP - we drafted him as our 2nd round pick (47th pick overall).

We drafted 10 LHPers. BA "rated" 32 LHPers. Of that 32 we drafted THREE - Our FIRST two LHP draftees (Evan Smith 4th round and Daniel Lietz 5th round) were not "rated" however our 6th round pick Matt Boyd was BA's 30th best LHP. our 11th picik Jacob Brentz was BA's 15th best LHP and Eric Lauer our 17th pick was BA's 23rd rated LHP.

We drafted 4 Cers, BA "rated" 17 catchers. Of that 17 we drafted none, zilch, nada, zero.

We drafted 5 SS's. BA "rated" 15 SS's. Of that 15 we drafted - wait for it - yep - none.

We drafted 4 1st basemen. BA rated 7 1st basemen. Of that 7 we drafted ONE!!! BRAVO! With our 30th pick (yes 30th - that is NOT a typo) we drafted BA's number 2 guy Rowdy Tellez. Randy is a tiny guy being just 6' 5' and a mere 235 pounds. Scouts like more than his power (which is described as 'prodigious'), he has a an impressive "feel" for hitting, is patient, with excellent hand/eye coordination, rarely swing and missing, drives offspeed pitches to the opposite field with ease. Lots of good news here, eh! However we took him in the 30th round and BA says "Tellez is committed to Southern California, but will be drafted high enough to forgo that commitment." Ya, sure, right...

We drafted 5 OFers. BA rated 20 CFers and 11 corner OFers. Of that 31 we drafted none.

So - that's it one really good hitter (who is unlikely to sign) and one really good RHPer (who should sign) - AND - 38 mostly wildcards loved by the Jays - but not by many others. It'll be interesting to see in 5 years who how well AA's "Ninja's in Training" drafted. In AA we trust, n'est pas?

Is it spring 2014 yet?

Mike Green - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#273788) #

Rowdy Tellez. Randy is a tiny guy being just 6' 5' and a mere 235 pounds

Is he Rowdy or Randy or Ready? Shame about the last name though! It'd be much better if it was Fellez...

finch - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 01:48 PM EDT (#273791) #

I think that a couple of the "hard signs" will sign, that were drafted after the 10th round. I think this was part of his strategy this year. Don't really "punt" too many picks but draft decent prospects that will take less and use that amount to drop $750,000 on 2 of the kids (Jacob Brentz - 11 , Eric Lauer - 17, Sam Tewes - 22)

At least I hope...

hypobole - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 01:49 PM EDT (#273792) #

Bichard, when were BA's ratings done? A lot can change, especially with the younger pitchers. And BA guys aren't evaluators, so they have to get info from other sources and compile it, which furthers the lag time. Syndergaard in 2010 was the perfect example.

jgadfly - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#273793) #

If ... the Jays finish in the middle of the pack and do not sign their #10 pick, would there be sufficient value in trading 2 of their possible 3 first round picks (after having Johnson sign as a free agent elsewhere) to move up from #10, say into the top 5 ?

finch - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#273794) #

It's not possible to trade draft picks like that unfortunately. The only picks that can be traded are the competitive balance picks, where order are determined by lottery. Teams that qualify for the picks are based on low revenue regions and demographics, I believe...

ayjackson - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#273795) #

The Bluebird Banter link Richard posted is an excellent source. They are suggesting that our second rounder has signed for slot....which would be disappointing.

John Northey - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#273796) #

Sheesh - 3 people in a couple of days adding an extra r to my name. Weird as I never saw that version before (many other versions, but not that one).

I listed the pitchers as depth because if a guy is good enough to be a top 3 in most rotations then he won't be in a minor league system. #4/5's can end up there but only if your #1-5 are very strong and they are prospects as AAAA guys won't sign where they think they won't play. The Jays depth for 2013 was AJ Happ and a bunch of hopes and prayers thus why AA was hunting for more and signing Bush, Ortiz, and pretty much any other person who has had any ML success at any point. Now up to 28 guys pitching here, 11 with under 5 IP, 14 under 9 IP. We seem to have something in Perez & Wagner - two minor league free agents who have emerged nicely but just 16 1/3 very nice innings (9 H, 2 R 1 ER 1 BB 13 SO between them). Weber is the only other one with an ERA below 5.50. Mostly the spare parts have hurt but were generally kept out of pressure situations iirc.

By September we should see Happ & Morrow back, Drabek & Hutchison back (although they might be sent to Florida for more rehab), maybe Romero will finally be a useful pitcher again by then (can dream), Stroman and Nolin should be knocking hard on the ML door for a September call up, and Chad Jenkins continues to try to earn the Jays confidence. That is a lot of arms that should be better than the Bush/Laffey/Oritz/Jeffress/Germano/Storey/Redmond/Gonzalez group. Sheesh, if you are a pitcher in Buffalo and haven't been called up you must be depressed.

katman - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#273797) #

Thanks, Richard. That's very useful.

Chuck - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#273798) #

Sheesh - 3 people in a couple of days adding an extra r to my name.

I believe the misspellings are intentional at this point.

soupman - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#273799) #

ya...but how many WS has BA won? (!)

finch - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#273802) #

I think Clinton Hollon is a steal for slot signing. He is highly projectable with injury. Had he gone to college, there was a good chance he would slip into the first round. I'll try to find the article about him.

John Northey - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#273805) #

For the draft signings, the official page is at http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=tor but hasn't been updated with 2013 info yet. Only 12 guys not signed last year, just 2 in the first 23 rounds with 6 unsigned being in rounds 33-40. They list who signed and who didn't back to 2004 when the Jays didn't sign pick #6 (Preston C Patton) out of the first 15 rounds. Although I have to question it a bit as the next guy they list as unsigned was Jesse Litsch who very definitely signed. Sadly he hasn't pitched since 2011 - kind of hoped someone else gave him a shot in AAA at least.

ayjackson - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 06:14 PM EDT (#273813) #

Blew our prospect load yesterday with Stroman, Norris and Osuna all pitching. Have to wait another four days for anything interesting down on the farm.

Wait...What's that??? Yay, short season ball just around the corner!!!

Richard S.S. - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#273814) #

I have always found this site (B.B.) much better at keeping track of signings than the Official Blue Jay Site, which is slower than the B.A. site. The Site I provided earlier gets as accurate as it can. If a Player/Pick tweets he's signing or speaks to a Reporter or an Official of some sort, he is. #47 Clinton Hollon, #115 Evan Smith, #145 Daniel Lietz, #175 Matt Boyd, #205 Connor Greene, #265 Chad Girado, #335 Tim Manza, #475 Danny Jansen, #685 Brendan Kalfus, #715 Sean Hurley have indicated such and we can wait for Officialdom to confirm. 4 HS, 1 J1, 1 J2, 1 JR, 3 SR and 2 UFAs.

Mylegacy - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#273815) #

I was thinking some more about how we only had 6 of our 40 draftees "rated" on BA's Pre Draft Issue.

One thing we know is that AA has more scouts now than we've ever had - from what I hear - possibly more scouts than any other team (anyone else heard that as well?). Because we've so many scouts we're obviously seeing more guys, and more guys more often, than the other teams. That's why I've a niggly feeling that AA's draft team DOES actually know what they're doing with this extensive draft list of guys off most others radar. I really am looking forward to watching these guys play - assuming we actually sign a good number of them.

Years ago I was visiting family in Saskatchewan and watched a local ball game between Kindersley and some other team which I've forgotten the name of now...however...the other team had this guy, obviously a farm kid who was about 6' 200 pounds of natural muscle - no weights - just years of hard work - and the kid was - fantastic. A smooth left handed swing that was lightening fast, blistering speed and an air about him that was almost regal. I mentioned him him to the guy sitting next to me and he replied, "Ya he's some player. Not nearly as good as his kid brother of course." I often wonder if he, or his "kid" brother ever even got scouted. So many kids play the game, so many good athletes in so many small towns. Guys that just never play in big tournaments or in other venues in which they can be seen and followed. I hope what we're seeing is a new "Moneyball" - namely - throwing enough scouts out ther to actually get below the surface - get the turf off - go deeper and find some real jewels. Diamonds. Diamonds playing on diamonds in the rough.

finch - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#273816) #

WOOT WOOT!

We can watch more underachieving prospects! I kid...

I am looking forward to see who can crack the roster in Vancouver. I would like to see:

Smoral, DJ Davis, Anthony Alford, Mitch Nay, Matthew Dean, Cardona, and and Tyler Gonzalez.

In reality, it will just be DJ Davis...

Gerry - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#273817) #

Or maybe just Matt Dean and Dickie Thon.

Richard S.S. - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#273818) #

If you have a Podcast App and acquire the Primetime Sports podcast of today's 3rd hour you'll hear A.A. talk about the Draft. Unless you recorded it somehow otherwise, I don't know how you hear it.

tercet - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#273819) #

Bluefield will be fun to watch with alot of the prospects,

Hopefully I can catch a game or two in person this yaer

sam - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#273820) #

I, and I imagine 2JBrumfield, will be at a fair amount of Canadians games this summer. Whoever is there, we'll get the scoop on them for Bauxites.

Gerry - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 08:00 PM EDT (#273821) #

The Canadians start their season on Friday so the roster should be known in the next 48 hours. Obviously the roster will initially be comprised of players who have been in extended spring training. The roster might be augmented later by some of the few college players signed from this years draft.

I will have a report on extended spring stats tomorrow. That might help you predict who will be in Vancouver or Bluefield.

hypobole - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#273824) #

Luis Perez just pitched 2 clean innings for Dunedin!

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 09:47 AM EDT (#273850) #

It is looking like the Marlins-Jays deal this off-season might end up as Reyes+ for Marisnick+. Jake is growing into his man-strength at age 22 in double A.

92-93 - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#273853) #

One thing we know is that AA has more scouts now than we've ever had - from what I hear - possibly more scouts than any other team (anyone else heard that as well?). Because we've so many scouts we're obviously seeing more guys, and more guys more often, than the other teams. That's why I've a niggly feeling that AA's draft team DOES actually know what they're doing with this extensive draft list of guys off most others radar. I really am looking forward to watching these guys play - assuming we actually sign a good number of them.

Watching Bonifacio makes me sincerely hope the amateur & pro scouting departments are mutually exclusive.

bpoz - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#273854) #

I agree with you 92-93. I am quite disappointed with our recent big trades.
Does anyone know how much overlap there is in scouting duties. You scout amateur, major league & Minor league players.

Is it true that a rehab assignment is 30 days max. L Perez. He has no options left but you can never have too much pitching.

ogator - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#273855) #

I don't think the Jays/Marlins deal is simply Marisnick+ for Reyes+ depending on how one defines "+" and/or whether the comment was intended to be read as simply a praising of Marisnick. I think it is too soon to give up on Adeiny who may yet become a valuable hitter and Nicolino might turn out to be of serious value. It is not too soon to question the value of Bonifacio or the dollars committed to Buehrle and Johnson.

cybercavalier - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#273856) #

Re Gerry;

Would the Jays rekindle the idea for Lawrie to play second base, especially he is on the DL ? If possible, Joey Bats, Lind, EE (and LaRoche) share the corner infield. Rasmus, Melky share the OF; Joey Bats himself could play all corner infield and outfield positions. The remaining playing time are up for grasp for Sierra and Gose, if they are considered ready for the bigs.

John Northey - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#273862) #

Marisnick is certainly taking off in AA at last. Last 10 he has hit 400-455-900 for a 1.355 OPS. Overall in AA he has hit 278/333/514 (pre last 10 he was hitting 231/287/365). So far it has been a great 10 game streak but until he does it for a bit longer I'm not ready to say it was a major error to trade him. Heck, most of that damage is his last 4 games (10 for 19 with 3 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR for a 1.632 OPS) as before those 4 his OPS was 731 vs the current 847.

hypobole - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#273864) #

Is there a spending limit for players eligible for the draft who were not picked?

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#273869) #

I wasn't suggesting that it was a major error to trade Marisnick. Reyes is quite possibly a Hall of Famer in mid-career. You would usually have to trade a hot prospect to get one of those.

It's funny. You run a BBRef age comparables for Reyes and you get 7 shortstops- Rollins, Trammell, Furcal, Bartell, Templeton, Travis Jackson and Dahlen. One who is in the Hall of Fame who ought not to be (Jackson) and two who are not in but ought to be (Trammell and Dahlen). I don't think Reyes is quite as good as Trammell or Dahlen defensively in particular, but he is better than the others. We'll see how he ages. It wouldn't surprise me if he turns out to be the best hitter of the bunch.

Gerry - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:18 PM EDT (#273871) #

A few answers:

The Jays have an amateur scouting department and a professional scouting department. They will overlap from time to time but not regularly. The overlap might come in late summer when the amateur guys have no one to look at, they might send them out to double check on some pro's. The opposite could happen in January or February or in November, some of the pro scouts might go look at a top draft prospect.

Luis Perez has 30 days rehab. He would have to be activated, and come off the 60 day DL, by July 9th.

I don't think the Jays will play Lawrie at 2B this season. It is too hard to make such a switch mid-year. The rep on Lawrie when he was with the Brewers was that he was too "jumpy" for second base. Third base is more of a reaction position. At second base scouts felt that Lawrie was trying to move too fast and that would make him miss some plays. Smoother is better at 2B.

China fan - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#273884) #

How is Luis Perez so far ahead of Drabek and Hutchison? Perez had TJ surgery on July 17, 2012. Drabek had his surgery about a month earlier (June 19) and yet he doesn't appear close to a rehab assignment yet (unless I'm missing something).

Hutchison had his surgery in early August, but perhaps he could be ready ahead of schedule too, like Perez?

Wildrose - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#273889) #

How is Luis Perez so far ahead of Drabek and Hutchison? Perez had TJ surgery on July 17, 2012. Drabek had his surgery about a month earlier (June 19) and yet he doesn't appear close to a rehab assignment yet (unless I'm missing something).

AA was on the Prime last night, and he discussed several current topics including Bautista's temper. He did discuss Drabek and Hutchison and they seem just a few weeks behind Perez in terms of rehab assignments.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/prime-time-sports/

It's 14 minutes long and archived under " any player would react like Bautista " on the site.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#273892) #

"Almost any player would react like Bautista" did? Baloney.

The line ought to have been something like:
"Jose is an emotional player and has had his issues with umpires' calls over the years. He seems to us to have it under better control this year and we are hoping that his outburst in last night's game was an isolated incident. He is a leader of this club in many ways."

China fan - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#273895) #

"....He did discuss Drabek and Hutchison and they seem just a few weeks behind Perez in terms of rehab assignments..."

Thanks for the update. It still leaves me puzzled. Perez had his surgery a month later, but is back in action earlier. I thought it was a strict one-year rule for every Blue Jay after TJ surgery. But I guess it depends on the individual, and Perez seems to be back in 10 or 11 months, while Drabek and Hutchison will need the full 12 months.

Gerry - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#273896) #

I reported this feedback a while ago while I was in extended. The Jays deliberately slowed Drabek's rehab as it was his second TJ surgery. And to add to that Reyes recovered very quickly from the surgery. When I was in Dunedin in the first week of May I saw Perez throwing live BP to minor leaguers. Per AA Drabek and Hutchison are doing that today. Perez started his rehab assignment yesterday, Drabek and Hutchison will start theirs in mid-July.

China fan - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#273908) #

Thanks, Gerry. (Assume you meant Perez, rather than Reyes, in your 3rd sentence above?)

Perez's recovery from TJ surgery has certainly been impressively fast. Let's hope it's a good omen for the others.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#273909) #

It appears that Jimenez has been promoted to New Hampshire.

smcs - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#273911) #

Is there a spending limit for players eligible for the draft who were not picked?

I believe they are subject to the same rules as round 11-40: anything above $100,000 counts against the bonus pool.

ayjackson - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#273975) #

Perez's recovery from TJ surgery has certainly been impressively fast.

Yes. But not Zambrano-fast. Remember the Zambrano era? Good times.

This kind of feels like the Zambrano era, actually. I think Marcum and McGowan emerged out of the Zambrano era. Maybe Nolin and Stroman will be the new Marcum and McGowan.

John Northey - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 01:13 AM EDT (#273976) #

Guess hitting 429 in A+ was enough to convince the Jays to let him see AA pitching. Also now that Thole is in the majors there was a shuffle needed across the board I figure. Hopefully Jimenez does well and can move to AAA next year and push for a ML job in late 2014/early 2015.

Nickeas and Ochinko aren't the most impressive combo in AAA (Nickeas hitting 171/236/232, Ochinko 233/318/360 between AA/AAA) and only Jack Murphy has played in AA other than Ochinko this year so I'd say they needed Jimenez pretty bad there. Sad after catcher being such a depth position to be down to just one real prospect to follow who is anywhere near the majors. Of course d'Arnaud hasn't played since April 17th and Yan Gomes was viewed as a utility player more than a catcher. Carlos Perez might be the most missed as he is doing well in AAA for the Astros now (302/365/419) and given Houston's issues could be in the majors this year.

hypobole - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 01:58 AM EDT (#273977) #

Houston has many issues, but catcher isn't one of them. I wish the Jays were getting anywhere close to the production the Astros are getting from their catcher position.

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