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To me this season doesn't feel like a great season for the Jays minor league system.  I have been trying to think about it, to make sense of this feeling of mine.  Dunedin and Lansing won their first half titles.  Las Vegas are challenging for the title of their league, something a Jays AAA team hasn't done for a long time.  The system has promoted several players to the major leagues this year.  2011 prospects and near-prospects such as Drew Hutchison, Anthony Gose, Moises Sierra, Yan Gomes, Aaron Loup and Sam Dyson have been called up.  These players have obviously improved enough to be promoted.  So is it a good year or a bad year for the minor leagues?

I think I know the answer.



This year there has not been a prospect who has popped, someone who has "helium" as they say.  In many ways this has been a boring year on the farm, most prospects have performed as you would expect. Last year Travis d'Arnaud, Jake Marisnick, Drew Hutchison, and Nestor Molina were popping up on prospect lists. This year, not so much.

The minor league system, like the parent club, has also been hit with some key injuries, in particular to Travis d'Arnaud and AJ Jimenez


Let's consider the prospect status of the full season players first.  Which of the full season players have really jumped up in my opinion this year?


Aaron Sanchez has.  There was some debate over his ability to throw strikes last year and he has improved on that this year although he still has some improvement left.  More recently his starts have been getting mixed results, so although he has improved, the excitement is muted somewhat.

I think that's it... and that is the problem.  Am I a hard marker, are my expectations too high?  You tell me.  Here is what i think has happened.

There are many prospects whose status has remain unchanged from last year.

Travis d'Arnaud was a premier prospect before the season started and after a slow April he was on fire in May and June.  But a knee injury ended his season and while his AAA numbers validated his status, the injury, added to previous injuries, knocked it down. 

AJ Jimenez's story is the same as d'Arnaud's.  A very good start followed by a season ending injury

David Cooper still seems to be the same David Cooper, is he a AAAA player?

Adeiny Hechavarria has performed as exppected in AAA, he still looks like a great field, average bat player.

Jake Marisnick played well in Dunedin but is off to a slow start in AA.  He is still a top prospect but he hasn't advanced his status from last season.

Moises Sierra has played OK

Chris Hawkins has had an up and down season, big start, fade in the middle, somewhat better towards the end.

Noah Syndergaard has pitched well but the lack of a consistent breaking ball has tempered enthusiasm.

Justin Nicolino rocketed through the lower levels last season and he too has had a good season this year but it is what you would expect from a top ten prospect.

Sean Nolin has pitched well but a couple of stints on the DL hasn't helped.

Anthony DeSclafani wasn't ranked last season and his performance this year has been reasonable, but for a colleg pitcher his K rate in Lansing is just OK.

Looking at the list you may think I am hard on Syndergaard and Nicolino.  but they were top ten prospects coming into the season, you expect a top ten prospect to pitch well in Lansing.

 

There are a few prospects who have slipped back:


Mike McDade didn't improve in his second round through in AA.  What can he do in Las Vegas for the rest of the season?

Marcus Knecht and Michael Crouse haven't hit well enough.

Deck McGuire and Chad Jenkins have had well publicised struggles in AA

Joel Carreno has also had a down year


Even though these players are down most of them were lower ranked prospects, with Deck McGuire being the highest ranked based on his strong 2011.


There has been some pop-up guys in the upper minors:

Ryan Goins has hit well this season in AA.

Sam Dyson and John Stilson hadn't pitched before this year.  Dyson has established himself as a bullpen pitcher, and Stilson could be headed that way.  Stilson was perhaps promoted to AA before the Jays intended due to injuries and while he has held his own his K rate is not where it should be.

Kevin Pillar has hit well and moved up to high A but he might only barely make a top 30 prospect list this off-season.

Marcus Walden has also pitched well but looks like a bullpen arm too.

 


The system lost Nestor Molina, Asher Wojciechowski, Joe Musgrove and Carlos Perez.


In the lower minors it can be hard to judge kids who are just getting established as professionals but is there a 300 hitter here?  The best seem to be around 250 which is not necessarily a problem because it is still too early to judge but, if I am to get excited, which was my original point, I would like to see a 300 hitter.  There are some pitchers, such as Daniel Norris and Roberto Osuna who are missing bats but there are several guys who are not.

I don't see anyone "popping" among the short season teams other than perhaps Roberto Osuna.  Here is how I see the short season players:

Up - Roberto Osuna

Flat - Jacob Anderson, Dwight Smith, Daniel Norris, Kevin Comer, Jeremy Gabryszwski, Matt Dean, Christian Lopes, Adonys Cardona, Eric Arce, Santiago Nessy, Wuilmer Becerra, Dawel Lugo, Gabriel Cenas

Down - Kellen Sweeney, Dickie Thon


One way to look at this is to say most of the top tier prospects have been promoted or have maintained their ranking.  All of the new guys, DJ Davis, Stroman, Smoral, Gonzalez, Nay, DeJong, etc. have added depth to the system.

To answer my own question I think it has been a good, but quiet, year for the minor league system.  Most of the top tier prospects have performed as expected.  I would be more excited if some had "popped" and are now looking like potential superstars.  But they haven't dropped either so there is hope.


What do you think?

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Ryan Day - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#261765) #
I'd say Hechavarria's improved his stock a fair bit. Even with the Vegas Effect, he's improved his offence - he's already passed last year's walk total, for example. He may not be an offensive star, but he looks like he could be an everyday shortstop - prior to this year, he was looking like more of a backup infielder.
Beyonder - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#261766) #
Not to beat a dead horse Gerry, but a while back I floated the suggestion that Gose's year in AAA had been dissappointing. I was shouted down pretty quickly (maybe deservedly), but never got your assessment. Would you have put him in the exceeds expecations category? Or the middle grouping? Where if anywhere, do you think he has made strides?
Gerry - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#261768) #

Gose would be in my meets expectations category.  First, Gose was a highly rated prospect so, to me, a lot would be expected of him.  However I knew he was raw and I thought coming into 2012 that he should go back to New Hampshire.  The Jays sent him to Las Vegas but then at the start of the year I thought he would need at least a season and a half in AAA.  Gose is still just 21, he will turn 22 next week.

Comparing stats in AAA to AA is tough, but Gose did cut his strikeout rate from 30% to 25%.  Making contact was always the issue for Gose and the reduction of the K rate was big for me.  Gose also improved his BB/K rate from .4 to .5, another positive sign.

Finally Gose seemd to improve in LV as the season went along, although not in a straight line.  His April was awful but from May forward he had been playing better.

In summary, coming into 2012, contact rate was the biggest issue for Gose.  He improved it and for that reason, combined with his age, I think it is hard to say his prospect status has gone down.

Gose also looked terrible in his first week with the major league team.  I think he has looked better in his second week, even if the results are mixed.  Maybe he is a quick learner.  From what I have heard he is a hard worker so I do see the potential for him to continue to improve.

Beyonder - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#261770) #
Many thanks Gerry.
Mike Green - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#261774) #
It has been pretty tough. The big ones were d'Arnaud, Gose and Marisnick.   Gose did take a small step forward, but I would have preferred if he had stayed in double A and dominated for 1/2 a season.  I agree completely with Gerry about d'Arnaud and Marisnick.  I also wish that Hutchison had received more development time.  Meh. 
Beyonder - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#261776) #
My only question about Marisnick is whether Gerry has been too gentle. Last year he posted a slash line of 320/392/496, to this year's 247/333/401. Even giving full marks for the aggressive promotion schedule, it's not obvious to me that he has met expectations.
boz - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 06:30 PM EDT (#261781) #
Does anyone know what,s up with Dalton Pompey injury wise?
PeteMoss - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#261787) #
I think its worthwhile to look at the average lines in these leagues and teams as there are massive swings between hitter parks/leagues and pitchers parks/leagues in the minors. I can't find the league averages... but the Jays farm teams are hitting:
Las Vegas: 305/375/467
New Hampshire: 256/321/382
Dunedin: 257/337/407
Lansing: 257/343/381
Vancouver: 235/334/358
Bluefield: 239/338/341
GCL Jays: 205/300/305 (ouch)

And for comparison: Toronto 252/317/432

I think the Vegas experience can skew our opinion of what makes a good minor league season for the non-AAA guys.

Gerry - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#261789) #
The FSL has a low run scoring environment. MILB has Marisnick as #17 in OPS in the FSL. Marisnick is 21, there are two 20 year olds ahead of him and two other 21 year olds. The order is:

Nick Castellanos
Christian Yelich
Osawldo Arcia
Slade Heathcott
Jake Marisnick


Within the league context I think Marisnick's numbers are good, not great, not fantastic, just good. I am not sure why he was promoted but the promotion to AA is the toughest. I wouldn't judge Marisnick on his AA numbers until next year.

I think it is hard to say Jake has stepped back given his age and the league context but I am not claiming his status has improved either. If he can get on a bit of a roll over the next four weeks he will look better. If he continues to struggle in AA for the next four weeks then that would be a bit concerning.
Gerry - Friday, August 03 2012 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#261790) #
Marcus Stroman pitched a perfect inning in New Hampshire tonight, strikeout, ground out, ground out.
TamRa - Saturday, August 04 2012 @ 04:18 AM EDT (#261802) #
Using my own personal list from the off-season, and rating players on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being "OMG!" and 1 being crushing suicidal disappointment - and "X" marking those who's grade are incomplete due to injury.

This is the top 40 guys from my pre-season list.

1. d'Arnaud - 8 (really impressed)
2. Marisnick - 4 (very high expectations though)
3. Gose - 5 ('bout what i figured)
4. Hutchison - 6 (adapted well in majors, incomplete technically)
5. Norris - 5 (small sample)
6. Syndergaard - 5 (right on course)
7. Nicolino - 5 (ditto)
8. Sanchez - 7 (loved his ceiling, was worried the control would hamper)
9. Hechavarria - 6 (I expected a bit more than what was said of him though)
10. McGuire - 2 (had middling expectations)
11. Cardona - 3 (expected dominance at Bluefield or Vancouver)
12. Jimenez - X
13. Dean -  4 (hoped for a little better start, better lately)
14. Hawkins - 4 (power disappeared)
15. Perez - 4 (thought he would excel repeating the level)
16. Comer - 5 (see Norris)
17.Anderson - 3 (expectations might have been too high)
18. Musgrove - X (no sample to judge)
19. Wojo - 5 (about what I expected)
20. Smith - 4 (would have thought he'd start faster)
21. Crouse - 1 (what the h---?)
22. Osuna - 10
23. Knecht - 2 (almost as bad as Crouse)
24.Seirra - 5 (would like to see what the FO sees with him)
25. Thon - 1 (health? or just not making the grade?)
26. Jenkins - 2 (lower expectations than McGuire, still missed them)
27. Stilson - 6 (might argue for 7 here but slowed lately)
28. Becarra - X
29. Lopes - 5 (hoped for better but tempered expectations were met)
30. Lugo - 4 (low expectations for Dominicans starting off in the States)
31. Carreno - 3 (didn't expect a great starter but he's flailed in every role)
32. Sweeney - 2 (really getting impatient here)
33. Nolin - 7 (thought he might regress a bit)
34. McDade - 4 (didn't fullfill the projections of the pre-inujury splits)
35. Cooper - 4 (hasn't been quite as good as last year)
36.Crawford - 5 (n context, i'm okay with him so far)
37. Biggs - 4 (very rough start)
38. Gomes - 8 (I liked him but i didn't see this coming)
39. Murphy - 5 (would have to be starting to have exceeded)
40. Gabryszwiski - 7 (i had rather mild expectations for some reason)


Overall average of rated players: 4.49

# of players over 5 - 8
# of players at 5 - 10
# of players under 5 - 18

By the traditional 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3 philosophy, it should break down close to 12/12/12/

So yeah, mildly disappointed. not crushed. Fairly similar to how I feel about the major league squad actually.

 

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