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I haven't given you a Data Table in a long time.

Consider this, then:

                                                    Team   Team  Team  Team     Closer %
    Team    SV  SVOpp  BSv   SV Pct   SV  SV Opp BSv   SV Pct   of Team SV

Jonathan Papelbon    PHI    21    24    3    .875    21    34    13    .618    1.000
Jason Motte    STL    21    25    4    .840    21    35    14    .600    1.000
Brett Myers    HOU    19    21    2    .905    20    29    9    .690    .950
Rafael Betancourt    COL    16    20    4    .800    17    35    18    .486    .941
Fernando Rodney    TBR    27    28    1    .964    29    35    6    .829    .931
Chris Perez    CLE    26    28    2    .929    28    33    5    .848    .929
Jonathan Broxton    KCR    22    26    4    .846    24    36    12    .667    .917
Alfredo Aceves    BOS    20    24    4    .833    22    34    12    .647    .909
Jim Johnson    BAL    30    32    2    .938    34    46    12    .739    .882
Craig Kimbrel    ATL    28    30    2    .933    32    41    9    .780    .875
Joe Nathan    TEX    19    20    1    .950    22    27    5    .815    .864
Jose Valverde    DET    18    22    4    .818    22    33    11    .667    .818
Frank Francisco    NYM    18    21    3    .857    22    38    16    .579    .818
John Axford    MIL    16    22    6    .727    20    36    16    .556    .800
Joel Hanrahan    PIT    28    31    3    .903    35    41    6    .854    .800
Rafael Soriano    NYY    24    26    2    .923    31    40    9    .775    .774
J.J. Putz    ARI    17    20    3    .850    22    33    11    .667    .773
Heath Bell    MIA    19    25    6    .760    25    38    13    .658    .760
Huston Street    SDP    16    16    0    1.000    22    32    10    .688    .727
Casey Janssen    TOR    13    14    1    .929    18    29    11    .621    .722
Addison Reed    CHW    15    18    3    .833    21    36    15    .583    .714
Santiago Casilla    SFG    24    30    6    .800    34    45    11    .756    .706
Kenley Jansen    LAD    18    23    5    .783    26    39    13    .667    .692
Matt Capps    MIN    14    15    1    .933    22    29    7    .759    .636
Carlos Marmol    CHC    11    13    2    .846    18    30    12    .600    .611
Aroldis Chapman     CIN    17    21    4    .810    29    40    11    .725    .586
Tyler Clippard     WSN    16    19    3    .842    30    41    11    .732    .533
Ernesto Frieri    LAA    11    11    0    1.000    22    34    12    .647    .500
Tom Wilhelmsen    SEA    10    12    2    .833    21    32    11    .656    .476
Ryan Cook    OAK    10    14    4    .714    25    36    11    .694    .400
MLB Total        564   651   87    .866   735  1067   332    .689    .767


What's all this then?

Well, that's each team's closer, obviously. The order of listing is based on the final column, which tells you what percentage of their own teams saves that pitcher has scooped up - from Papelbon and Motte, who have collected 100% of Philadelphia and St.Louis' saves, respectively - all the way down to Ryan Cook, who has gathered just 40% of Oakland's saves.

As you can see, the overall average through the majors is 76.7% - that's the percentage of saves recorded by each team's save leader, whom we shall now designate The Closer. And of course, Closers actually account for a considerably higher share of the overall total. What happens, every year, is that some teams change which of the relief pitchers is the Designated Closer. That's the reason that Cook and Wilhelmsen have recorded such a low percentage of their team's saves. Some other guy was the Designated Closer earlier in the season: Grant Balfour in Oakland, Brandon League in Seattle. We've gone through the same thing here, where Casey Janssen is the third pitcher in the Closer's role.

Your modern managers are Slaves to the Save. Every one of them.

This bothers a great many people - it used to bother me, although I don't think it's nearly the outrage I once did. Here's what I'm curious about:

How long has this been going on? How long has it been standard practise to reserve the Save for your Designated Closer? Closers are getting 76.7% of the saves this year?

Well, how many did they get in 2011?

                                                Team   Team    Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct    SV   SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
2011 Closer Avg     32.6   37.6   5.0   .866    41.4    60.7   19.3   .682    .786

Even more than this year. Ok, how about 2010?

                                                Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct   SV    SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
2010 Closer Avg     29.9   34.6   4.6   .866    40.1    58.1   18.0   .690    .746

Uh-huh. And 2009...

                                                Team   Team    Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct   SV   SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
2009 Closer Avg     31.1   35.9   4.8   .866    40.1    59.8   19.7  .670    .776

What about 2008?
                                                Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct   SV    SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
2008 Closer Avg     29.4   34.4   4.9   .856    39.5    61.6   22.1  .641    .746

2007, maybe?

                                                Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct    SV    SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
2007 Closer Avg     30.5   35.4   4.9   .861    39.9    59.8   19.9   .668    .763

This has been going on for a while, it seems. Life is short - let's continue, but in five year increments. We'll begin with 2006, which looks pretty much like all years we've seen since:

                                                Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct    SV    SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
2006 Closer Avg     29.7   34.8   5.4   .853    40.0    60.9   20.9   .657    .741

But now let's jump back in time to 2001. Were things different then?

                                                Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct    SV    SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
2001 Closer Avg     30.2   35.3   5.0   .857    40.3    59.9   19.5   .674    .750

Evidently not. 1996, then?
                                                Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
    SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct    SV    SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
1996 Closer Avg     29.6   35.4   5.7   .838    39.9    60.3   20.4   .662    .744


Same old, same old. 1996 could very well have been 2012. Well, how about 1991?

                                                Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct    SV    SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
1991 Closer Avg     26.8   32.7   5.8   .821    43.5    62.0   18.5   .702    .616


Whoops, there it is. Houston, I think we found something. That was pretty dramatic.

Let's quickly gather a few more sample seasons.
                                                Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
   SV   SVOpp  BSv  SV Pct    SV    SV Opp   BSv  SV Pct   Team SV
1986 Closer Avg     22.5   30.0   7.5   .750    38.6    57.4   18.8   .672    .583
1981 Closer Avg     19.3   25.2   5.9   .764    35.2    50.6   15.4   .696    .547
1976 Closer Avg     14.3   19.5   5.6   .735    28.5    42.0   13.5   .678    .504
1971 Closer Avg     15.1   19.5   4.5   .772    28.7    41.3   12.6   .695    .525

(We're stopping here because the Save wasn't an official statistic until 1969, although the Sporting News had been publishing them since 1960, when Jerome Holtzman invented the thing.)

So - during the first fifteen or twenty years after the official recognition of the Save rule, the number of saves recorded by a team's relief ace increased gradually. But in the early 1990s, managerial habits changed dramatically. Saves become the property of the Designated Closer. It wasn't a nice, unbroken progression. Here are the league figures for 1986 through 1996.

                                                  Team    Team   Team   Team    Closer % of
                     SV    SVOpp   BSv   SV Pct    SV    SVOpp   BSv   SV Pct    Team SV

1996 Closer Avg    29.6    35.4    5.7   .838      39.9    60.3   20.4   .662     .744
1995 Closer Avg    26.0    31.5    5.5   .825      35.9    53.1   17.2   .676     .723
1994 Closer Avg    25.4    31.9    6.5   .797      39.4    59.4   19.9   .664     .645
1993 Closer Avg    30.8    36.5    5.7   .843      42.6    61.9   19.4   .687     .722
1992 Closer Avg    27.9    34.0    6.1   .821      42.7    61.2   18.6   .697     .654
1991 Closer Avg    26.8    32.7    5.8   .821      43.5    62.0   18.5   .702    .616
1990 Closer Avg    26.8    32.8    6.0   .818      42.8    60.0   17.2   .713    .626
1989 Closer Avg    27.4    33.6    6.2   .816      41.1    58.0   16.9   .709    .666
1988 Closer Avg    25.8    32.3    6.5   .798      40.3    56.4   16.1   .715    .639
1987 Closer Avg    19.9    26.3    6.4   .757      37.3    56.3   19.0   .663    .533
1986 Closer Avg    22.5    30.0    7.5   .750      38.6    57.4   18.8   .672    .583
It's probably worth noting that 1994 was a strike year. Several teams were still experimenting with the Closer role, and the season was over before before some would manage to establish themselves. But this may have been the last time any team was willing to experiment with this particular job.

How did we get here, again?

In the 1960s and 1970s, an outstanding relief pitcher was regarded as a nice thing to have - but not an essential thing to have. Sparky Anderson, the manager who made the most conspicuous use of his bullpen in the 1970s, always spread the work among multi relief pitchers, who were more or less interchangeable. Earl Weaver's relief corps shared the work in a similar fashion - Weaver simply didn't use his pen as often. Billy Martin leaned on his starters so heavily that there was never enough work for more than one reliever, as Sparky Lyle and Rawly Eastwick both discovered in 1978.

In the 1980s, bullpen aces like Quisenberry and Righetti started to rack up hitherto unprecedented save totals. But there was still variety in the land. There were still successful teams that didn't have a clearly defined relief ace; there were still teams, like the Mets, that split the work between two relief pitchers, normally a RH (Roger McDowell) and a LH (Jesse Orosco). This last had an especially strong pedigree in the NL, going as far back as 1961 with RH Jim Brosnan and LH Bill Henry in Cincinnati. Walter Alston's bullpens split the work between a LH (first Ron Perranoski, aletr Jim Brewer) and a series of RH: Larry Sherry, Ed Roebuck, Bob Miller, Phil Regan . The Giants in the late 1970s had several of these units, with Garry Lavelle and Randy Moffitt (with Greg Minton replacing Moffitt in the early 1980s.). The Phillies of the same period had teamed LH Tug McGraw with RH Gene Garber and Ron Reed. These types of arrangements were once widespread, but they're a thing of the past now. Everything has changed, and all these changes took place over a fairly short period, in the early 1990s.

So why? What brought this on anyway?

I think that the obvious explanation is the same one that explains most changes in game strategies. In the early 1990s, the most visible, spectacular, and successful relief pitcher on the planet was Dennis Eckersley of Oakland. His manager, Tony LaRussa made a point of saving Eckersley for the ninth inning, for the save situation. LaRussa had a reason for using Eckersley this way, he explained what it was and why he was doing things this way. And it worked. Eckersley put together some of the greatest seasons any relief pitcher has had in the history of the game, and looked impressive as hell while he was at it. (Eck always reminded me of Zorro, myself.)

It's the same old story. Successful strategies get copied.
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jjdynomite - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 01:19 AM EDT (#260952) #
And to think that Eck didn't start on his save rampage until his age 33 season; he was a Cy Young candidate as a starter *10* years earlier. Just incredible.

This is great write-up and bundle of stats, Magpie; the reason I always come to this site. Thanks.
PeteMoss - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 09:31 AM EDT (#260959) #
There were still successful teams that didn't have a clearly defined relief ace; there were still teams, like the Mets, that split the work between two relief pitchers, normally a RH (Roger McDowell) and a LH (Jesse Orosco). Interestingly the Angels have been using this type of closer arrangement this year (after they yanked Walden from the role). Frieri has 11 saves and old pal Scott Downs has 9 (Frieri 3 saves in the last 30 days, Downs 4). Obviously its a bit easier to do this when both pitchers are sporting minuscule ERAs.
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#260961) #
You could do it with Janssen and Oliver, I suppose. 

Nice piece of detective work, Magpie.  The delayed reaction in the acceptance of the LaRussa approach is probably typical.  After Alomar's homer, Eck was no longer the invincible force he once was.

What teams adopting the Oakland approach may not have appreciated was that Eck was a fine pitcher, period (who happened to go through mid-career struggles due to alcohol).  Clubs most likely did not appreciate fully (at least then) that the average pitcher takes a substantial leap forward when moved to a relief role, and that it really should not come as a shock that a fine starting pitcher becomes a great short reliever.  The adoption of the Oakland relief pattern came a few years before the adoption of sabermetric methods by many front offices.

bpoz - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#260965) #
Thanks Magpie.

If you describe the classic closer would he be FF, Valverde. That is a hard throwing overpowering pitcher. Santos fits that. M Rivera probably not. Not Janssen as well. Rivera was very successful so who cares about looks. Joba C would look good.

Whomever deserves the credit, I liked our pen of Acker,M Eichorn, Ward & Henke. I think they make a big contribution in a baseball season which is described as a marathon. I do not know who mopped up for us.
So if a pen is crucial, what role should Tippy Martinez & Tony Castillo fill. I always felt comfortable with Castillo & Martinez was well regarded in the league. As far as looks go, they did not seem like much.
I do not think it was hard for Baltimore & Toronto to get their guy either.
uglyone - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#260966) #
Great article.

Myself, I've never bought into the sabermatrician argument that saves are meaningless. There is a different mentality needed when everyone knows you are the last line of defense - when you are consistently the only pitcher in the game for whom there's no one else available to bail you out when you get yourself into trouble, and for whom giving up a lead turns directly into a loss, without your team having a chance to get it back for you.

The Yanks are yet another example this year - David Robertson is a crazy good reliever, but melted down as soon as he was asked to be the closer. Soriano is just a good reliever - but somehow much better in the closer role than anywhere else.

There's degrees of "slavishness", of course, and a manager has to be flexible in his use of a closer...but in general, I think naming and having a consistent "closer" is integral to having a good bullpen in the longrun.
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 10:53 AM EDT (#260968) #
Except that is not how a "save" works.  In the eighth inning with the bases loaded and nobody out in a tie game, a team does not call (if it is following the book) on its closer because it is not a save situation.  On the other hand, with a 3 run lead in the top of the ninth and the 6-7-8-9 hitters to come, teams routinely go to the closer.  But, not with a 4 run lead. 

The difference between the sabermetric community and the "traditional" community does not focus on the desirability of roles and having a particular pitcher come in for the most important outings when the game is on the line.  The difference is about whether a "save situation" comes anywhere close to accurately describing those situations.  The problem lies not in the definition of the roles, but in the definition of the statistics. 

uglyone - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 11:03 AM EDT (#260970) #
Agreed on that point, and sabermetrics has definitely given us a valuable perspective on what the true value of a save really is, and how silly most managers are in being such a slave to the stat that they allow lesser relievers to pitch in the most critical moments, just because they're not save situations.

But even in my extremely limited sports "career", I easily saw the effects of psychology on players and teams, and being the last line of defense, and having that last line of defense - even if the actual usage shows that this label isn't always literally true - makes a legit difference, IMO. Jason Frasor is a good reliever, but just not closing material. A guy like Janssen, though, seems a natural in that role despite not having overwhelming stuff.

Joe Maddon is as advanced a manager as there is in baseball, but he is more of a slave to the save than most anyone - of course, he makes it easy on himself by determining the closer based seemingly only on their mental makeup, and not whether they're actually the "best" reliever in his 'pen - which doesn't leave him needing to pitch his closer in the most critical situations, instead leaving the closer in a very comfortable and specific role.
Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#260971) #
Interestingly the Angels have been using this type of closer arrangement this year

It's been trending that way in the last couple of weeks, although the overall picture looks more like Downs filling the chair until Frieri emerged. Here's the sequence of Angels saves:

Walden
Downs Downs Hawkins Downs
Frieri Downs Frieri Downs
Frieri Frieri Downs Frieri Frieri
Frieri Frieri Frieri Frieri
Downs Frieri Downs Jepsen Downs

Managers are slaves to the save statistic, but it was another kind of save that also helped shape the usage patterns of relief aces - the need to save the pitcher. Not using your relief aces in other situations, as a policy, also developed as a way to resist the temptation to work them until their arms fell off. And until hard throwing relievers workloads were cut back to less than 100 IP a year, their arms fell off like clockwork. Three years, and they were toast.

I sometimes think it's useful to listen very carefully to Buck and Tabby, and then reflect on this fact: this is what major league ballplayers believe. This is how they think. They believe in all kinds of things that current analytical thinking generally rejects: things like Magic Closer Dust, the greatness of RBI men ("run producers"), the relevance of batter-pitcher matchups (Hey, I believe in that one!) and so on. Any manager's first job is managing those 25 guys, whatever his own theory of the game. He simply can't lose them. It's Job One. So if he wants to defy the traditional wisdom and current accepted practise, he has to pick his battles. He has to avoid having his players think he's lost his mind.
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#260977) #
Except the fact that players understand more about numbers than ever before.  If a manager (and a general manager) told their players that the save statistic is b.s. and explained why, a good number of them would get it.  Buck and Tabby are from a different generation. 
scottt - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#260979) #
That reminds me of when JPA first came out and he was in the lineup only against team aces. His batting line looked terrible and many people doubted his ability to hit in the majors.

If the best relief pitcher was used exclusively against the heart of the order, his stats would reflect that. Instead of being the closer, he'd be the whipping boy.

Even the ace of the rotation faces the same hitters as the 5th pitcher. The LOOGY is the guy you want here and it's not unfair to him. He'll be pulled before he faces the guys that could make him look bad.
Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#260981) #
players understand more about numbers than ever before.

I'm pretty skeptical about that, beyond a few pitchers experiencing career crises...

Forgot to mention. I was a little curious about the progression of successful save percentage. Successful save percentage for Designated Closers has never been so high, which I suppose is not all that unexpected. But I expected the overall Save Pct to be considerably lower today. And so it is, but not by all that much - it's been running in the 68% range these last few years. It appears to have peaked in the early 1990s in the very low 70% range.

The reason there should be more blown saves, of course, is the much greater use of setup pitchers between the starter and the closer. The starter can't blow a save.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#260983) #
We welcome back your writing, Magpie. It was missed.
hypobole - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#260987) #
"If a manager (and a general manager) told their players that the save statistic is b.s. and explained why, a good number of them would get it."

Might want to have a chat with arbitrators as well, since they help determine player salaries. Players seem to find salaries an important statistic also :)
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#260994) #
Joe Nathan was used in such a way that he had a leverage of almost 2 each year between 2007-09.  Mariano Rivera has been used so that he has a career leverage of almost 2, and in his career has faced batters with the game tied almost exactly as often as with a 3 run lead. 

Would "we want to use you like the Yankees used Rivera and the Twins used Nathan" be that difficult to sell?  Leverage, leverage, leverage.

Original Ryan - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#260995) #
Might want to have a chat with arbitrators as well, since they help determine player salaries. Players seem to find salaries an important statistic also :)

It's been mentioned before, but the ideal time to give redefined bullpen roles a try would be when a team has a relatively young bullpen without an established closer. In that situation the relievers wouldn't have much leverage and it would be hard for any one pitcher to complain about not getting the opportunity to rack up saves.

It's worth noting that the statistics teams value change over time. Would Joe Carter or Jack Morris be among the highest-paid players in the game today (as they were when they were with the Blue Jays)? Likely not. If teams started to adopt a different approach to bullpen management, the value of saves during contract negotiations would gradually decline, much like RBIs and wins have in recent years.

Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#260996) #
much like RBIs and wins have in recent years.

Have they? It seems to me that those guys - your RBI leader, your Wins leader - are still getting paid. Maybe it's because they do all the other things as well, the ones that statistical analysts like. I don't know. Is there a modern equivalent to Joe Carter? A guy who drives in 100 runs every year while being not a whole lot more than an above average hitter? Is there a modern equivalent to Jack Morris? A guy who wins 18 games year after year despite ordinary peripheral stats?
Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#260997) #
in his career has faced batters with the game tied almost exactly as often as with a 3 run lead

That doesn't seem too strange. The majority of 9th inning SV Opps do not involve three run leads (12 of Rivera's 49 SV Opps last year). And when Rivera came into a tie game, it was almost always (7 of 8 times last year) the ninth inning at Yankee Stadium, meaning there would be no save opportunity that day. Many managers use their closers in those tie situations.
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 02:15 PM EDT (#260998) #
Arencibia's career will give you an idea about how low OBP/high HR/high RBI guys get compensated.  It's a bit of a mixed bag.  Delmon Young went .298/.333/.493 with 21 homers and drove in 112 in 2010 at age 24, but not too many people thought that he was a star, but Ryan Howard's contract illustrates that the old way of thinking still has its adherents.

Personally, I think that it is simply stultified thinking, like the philosophy about the key offensive ingredient for a leadoff hitter in the 1960s (being able to steal 50 bases). 

92-93 - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#260999) #
Obviously not the greatest of comps to Carter but Alfonso Soriano, Nelson Cruz, and Carlos Lee strike me as those sorts of players. Mark Teixeira is on his way to being one of them too.
Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#261001) #
Well, when Howard got his insane contract, he was coming off four straight years of 45 plus HRs. He was more than an RBI guy.

I agree that Soriano and Cruz are indeed similar type hitters to Carter, except neither of them are RBI guys. And that's the thing - RBIs were Carter's claim to fame, they were the reason he got paid. Cruz has never driven in even 90 runs, and Soriano has just two 100 RBI seasons in his career (mainly because he's spent most of that career batting leadoff.)

Carlos Lee was a little better than Carter - he's kind of like George Bell. You know - Joe Carter with another 25 points of BAVG.
Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#261002) #
the key offensive ingredient for a leadoff hitter in the 1960s (being able to steal 50 bases).

You're not trying to convince me that Luis Aparicio wasn't, like, the greatest leadoff hitter ever? Are you? :-)

Speaking of which, Wilner said the other night that Vizquel ("future Hall of Famer") was arguably the greatest defensive shortstop ever. I know Luis (among others) would like to argue that point.
Original Ryan - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#261004) #
It seems to me that those guys - your RBI leader, your Wins leader - are still getting paid. Maybe it's because they do all the other things as well, the ones that statistical analysts like.

That's my guess. I suspect that teams now know better than to put a hitter like Joe Carter in the 3 or 4 spot of the batting order, so it's possible there will never be another player quite like him.

Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#261005) #
All this got me interested in browsing the Carter page and looking at some career splits. I remembered that he loved Fenway Park, and yeah - .312/.339/.615 is kind of what I remember. And the park that absolutely killed him was Oakland - .193/.269/.335, and that makes perfect sense as well. Carter hit more foul popups than any hitter I have ever seen - yup, more than Wells. In Oakland, the infielders settle under them. In Boston, the fans get a souvenir. The two most different foul territories in the AL.
Matthew E - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#261007) #
This actually played out right here with the Jays. From '88 through '92, Tom Henke and Duane Ward both got plenty of saves for the Jays. Henke was the main guy, but Ward always got his share, and also stepped up when Henke was on the DL. Then, after '92, Henke departed as a free agent, and Ward had the job all to himself... and nobody stepped up to share it with him. He was it. Then he got hurt and nobody was it, arguably until Billy Koch came along.
Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#261008) #
Which I remember, and I was curious enough to figure out exactly how that worked. Ward was indeed in double figures in saves for five straight years even though Henke was still here. But I don't recall it ever being a tandem arrangement like McDowell-Orosco.

Let's step into the WayBack Machine!

1988 - Ward had 15 saves, Henke had 25. More than half of Ward's were long saves - he would enter in the seventh or eighth and finish up after the Jays extended the lead. Just four times did he come on for the ninth inning.

1989 - Ward had 15 saves, Henke just 20. All but four of Ward's came before the end of July. What happened was that after getting two saves in the first week, Henke simply went bad. He had an 11.37 ERA by early May and Jimy Williams just buried him. Gaston took over and eased Henke back in low pressure situations, while Ward scooped up the saves in the meantime. Henke didn't get Save #3 until late June. He was unhittable after that (0.93 ERA the rest of the way.)

1990 - Ward had 11 saves, Henke had 32. Once more Ward was getting the long ones. Just once did he get a save by coming in for the ninth inning. In seven of them he entered in the sixth or seventh inning.

1991 - Ward had 23 saves, Henke had 32. More than half of Ward's came when Henke missed five weeks early with a pulled hamstring. Ward then picked another four saves in the final two weeks, when Henke went down again (can't remember why.)

1992 - Ward had 12 saves, Henke had 34. Again, Ward was getting the longer ones - in seven of them he entered in the 8th or earlier - Henke had 34, and in all but 2 of them he pitched only the 9th.

And, kids - that's why Duane Ward's arm fell off when he was 28 years old, while Henke remained a great pitcher until the day he retired at age 37.
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#261012) #
It's a little more complicated than that.  Sometimes, he was kept in for 3 innings to get the save and sometimes just because it seemed to be convenient.  In 1991, he led the league with 81 appearances.  In the middle of the year, there were outings like this one, where he was pitching well in the 7th and 8th but the club trailed by 2 and Cito just left him in.  Similarly on July 26, he went 3 innings and then Cito brought him again on the 29th down 5 runs in the 9th inning, presumably to get him work!

It would have been possible (with the personnel on hand) to give Ward and Henke a lot of high leverage work and cut down on Ward's appearances and inning load somewhat.  It should be noted however that the Jays in 1991 mostly had a 5 man pen.  With a 6 man pen, it would have been easy to give Ward consistent and not-too-punishing high leverage work.
Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#261014) #
the Jays in 1991 mostly had a 5 man pen.

It was a growing thing! In 1990, it was a four man pen, and in 1989, for all intents and purposes, it was a three man pen (Frank Wills was fourth on the team with 20 - yup, 20 - relief appearances.)
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 04:55 PM EDT (#261016) #
True.  Point being that 70-80 appearances, 110-120 innings is a hard pace (for anybody who throws as hard as Ward did) to sustain for more than 5 years.  It's a lot easier to do 60-65 appearances and 100-110 innings. 
Magpie - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#261018) #
Point being that 70-80 appearances, 110-120 innings is a hard pace (for anybody who throws as hard as Ward did) to sustain for more than 5 years.

I don't think it's hard - I think it's freakin' impossible. And Ward was just reaching that level of work (or should I say abuse?). And after 1990, the number of appearances continued to rise, but the number of actual innings declined. But still - five straight years over 100 IP, three of them over 110 IP, as many as 127 - I'm a little surprised he lasted as long as he did.

The only hard thrower I can think of who regularly worked at least 110 IP a year and wasn't destroyed by it within five years was Rollie Fingers. But even Fingers wasn't really a power pitcher, but more of a classic sinker-slider guy.
bpoz - Tuesday, July 24 2012 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#261024) #
Farrell has a rotation that is inconsistent. I am becoming a fan of how he is managing, when it comes to winning the games where his team has a big lead.
For example if he has a 4 run lead in the 3rd (score 4-0), he tries to do everything to win this game. But his Starter is pitching badly. He gives up 2 quick runs and seems like he will give up many more. I thought I could figure it out, it seemed easy. But I cannot so I will let da box do it. My problem is that I do not want to touch my 3 reliable guys, Janssen, Oliver & Fraser. But I will use Janssen for up to 6 outs.
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