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The Baltimore Orioles roll into town to face the division leading* Toronto Blue Jays. And given that they are the Baltimore Orioles, this three game set presents a good opportunity to extend their leading margin. That's not just me being glib. The Jays haven't had a losing season to the Orioles since 2004, going 11-7, 11-8, 10-8, 12-6, 9-9, 15-3 and most recently 12-6 against them. Can they keep it up in 2012? All signs point to... Advance Scout.


*well, co-leading.



The Orioles swept the Twins to open the season before getting swept with the Yankees, which to my mind pretty much perfectly explains the American League East. They did manage to lose the last two in extra innings, which, hey, more power to them.

Friday - Tommy Hunter vs. Brandon Morrow


Tommy Hunter only turns 26 this summer, which I find hard to believe given how long he's seemingly been around. He's pitched in parts of each of the last four seasons, and in that time established himself as a reliably below average starter. Hunter's problem is that he only really possesses one major league skill, which is his command, and even then he's not off the charts with it. Hunter's walked 2.23/9 IP throughout his career, which would have placed him in the upper quartile of qualified starters last year. However there isn't much else working Tommy's way: his strikeout numbers are way below par (fewer than 5/9 IP career), and he's not a groundball pitcher (40.2%). He's had relatively good luck stranding runners and not allowing hits on balls in play, but those things aren't really within his complete control. The result is a pitcher with a career FIP closer to 5 than to 4. If he was lefthanded I would say he'd be in the majors another 10 years, but alas for Hunter that is not the case. Hunter doesn't throw especially hard, though he did top out at about 93 last year, the best mark of his career. In his start against the Twins he was barely getting to 90 though, though this is a common affliction for pitchers before the weather warms up. Hunter relies heavily on the fastball as well as a cutter, throwing the occasional curve and even more occasional change. The curveball grades out strongly, but there isn't much reason to be worried about the other offerings. Still, Hunter was sharp in his first outing, going seven innings while allowing seven baserunners and whiffing 3; he picked up the W while allowing two unearned runs. Lifetime  Hunter is 1-3 against the Jays with an ERA approaching 7; JPA is 1/10, Jose Bautista 3/17, Rajai Davis 3/9, EE 2/6, Yunel Escobar 6/11 with 4 XBH, Kelly Johnson 2/6, Brett Lawrie 3/8, Adam Lind 3/19 and Eric Thames 4/13. 

Saturday - Jason Hammel vs. Henderson Alvarez


Jason Hammel, along with Matt Lindstrom, was acquired from the Rockies for Jeremy Guthrie in the offseason. I don't know that the Orioles come out ahead on that trade, but Hammel was at least impressive in his first outing, having a no-no busted up in the 8th. He finished the inning and his final line counted 2 hits, 1 run, 3 walks and 5 Ks. Hammel has been impressive before, striking out around 7 batters per 9 innings with a K/BB ratio greater than 3/1 in both 2009 and 2010, with only some poor strand and babip numbers (and Coors) keeping him from the recognition he probably deserved. 2011 was a different story though as he fell off a cliff, walking more than 50% more batters while striking out a correspondingly fewer ratio. There were no Brett Cecil like velocity drops, he just... got worse. Still, old man Hammel is being counted upon as the veteran of this rotation - he has twice as many career starts than the rest of the Orioles staff combined. Hammel is a four pitch pitcher who throws the standard fastball/slider/curve/change. The slider and the curve are probably the best two of those pitches, with the 91-95 MPH fastball used primarily to set them up. Kelly Johnson is 5/14 lifetime against Hammel, while Yunel Escobar is 2/6; no one else has more than 4 ABs.

Sunday - Brian Matusz vs. Kyle Drabek

Brian Matusz gets his second and holy carp am I the only one who forgot how awful he was in 2011? His season was Halladay-esque, except that year where Halladay was the worst pitcher in moden baseball history. He was extremely unlucky, as one has to be to be that bad (20% HR/FB, .382 BABIP), but didn't help himself with a 1.5/1 K/BB highlighted by a 4.35 batters per nine innings walk rate. Matusz is still only 25, he was the fourth overall pick in 2008 and BA's #5 overall prospect in 2010, so clearly there's still hope, but just what exactly is happening with the Orioles pitcher development? Matusz made his major league debut in 2009 after throwing 113 innings in A+ and AA ball, where, admittedly, he was pretty dominant. He threw over 200 innings in 2009-2010, with a FIP of just over 4, striking out about 19% of the batters he faced while walking 7-8% of them. 2011 was, as mentioned, not a positive development, as his K% dropped to 15.5% and his BB% rose to almost 10%. This did happen after he missed the first two months of 2011 with an injury, and he was very unlucky, but it's hard to be that bad. His fastball velocity has tailed off each year he's been in the Majors, from 91.5 to 89.9 to 88.0 MPH. I am not sure if he recovers in 2012, but he's not off to a good start, allowing 4 earned runs in 4 innings against the Yankees. More distressingly, he walked 4 and only struck out 1 batter. I don't know that I would be optimistic if I was an Orioles fan, though he was working in the low 90s. Matusz relies heavily on that fastball, throwing each of his other pitchers - change, curve, slider - about 18%, 11% and 8% of the time respectively, although he did throw the slider more and the change less in his first start against New York, according to pitch f/x. The slider is probably Matusz's best pitch, although when he was on he was getting batters out with his fastball. Against Matusz Rajai Davis is 3/10 in his career, and Jeff Mathis 1/5. No other Jays have more than a game against him, though Yunel is 2/2 with a home run and 4 RBI. 

The Lineup

The Orioles will probably roll thusly:

Nolan Reimold/Endy Chavez LF
JJ Hardy SS
Nick Markakis RF
Adam Jones CF
Matt Wieters C
Mark Reynolds 3B
Wilson Betemit/Nick Johnson DH
Chris Davis 1B
Robert Andino 2B

I really love the symmetry of Mark Reynolds and Chris Davis. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that I could probably play a better third base than either of them; Mark Reynolds has a career UZR of -10.5/150 GP at third base; he was even worse in 2011 at -30.3. Defensive Runs Saved is just as harsh, at -22 runs. That was third worst in baseball, and only a handful of players were even below -10. He and Davis have flip flopped between first and third, with Reynolds settling at third to start this year. Davis' defense at first has been below average but not awful, at least; at third he also graded out at Dunn-esque levels. Reynolds wins the strikeout battle though, at 33% career vs 31%. Reynolds leads in power too, and he is clearly the superior player, which is sort of like being the best looking clown: nice but you're still a clown. Chris Davis is just not a major league first baseman... Nick Markakis has basically been getting worse every year since he posted a .306/.406/.491 line in 2008. His OBP has stabilized, but his slugging numbers have dropped every year, to just .406 in 2011; where he once looked like a star, he's now basically just a decent corner outfielder...Matt Wieters has always been a whiz defensively, but it looks like he's finally putting things together with the bat. He hit well to end last year, and is hitting .353 with 2 home runs through 6 games so far... The Orioles just signed Joel Pineiro to a minor league deal... Jim Johnson is the O's closer, and Country Strong Kevin Gregg is reduced to just blowing games (he took the most recent Yankees loss).

In Jays news, Sergio Santos is expecting the birth of his child and should rejoin the team in time for Saturday's game.

Infirmary: Zach Britton, SP (shoulder), Brian Roberts, 2B (Concussion), Taylor Teagarden, C (lower back), and Tsuyoshi Wada, SP (left elbow) are all on the 15-day DL. Teagarden could be back by the end of the month, as could Wada; Roberts is taking some ground balls but there's no set date for his return; Britton might be back in May. Dontrelle Willis is on the 7-day DL in AAA.

Song to Advance Scout By: I'm going to try this out, mostly for my own amusement. If you don't like it there is a full money back guarantee. Anyway, this segment's song is... Levels, by Avicii

Chart: Still sticking with the 2011 numbers for at least this series and the next. Data courtesy of Fangraphs; BR, Yahoo and Wikipedia helped with the rest.


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92-93 - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#254430) #
I'm going to be so frustrated if the lineup makes these scrubs look good. Gotta beat up on BAL to contend.

Jays have 4 lefties now to neutralize Markakis. Poor Nick.

Wieters is probably BAL's best hitter so it's good that the Jays are throwing 3 RH starters this series.

I believe Lawrie pumps up the clubhouse before games with Levels by Avicii, so good choice.

John Northey - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#254431) #
Just for fun... after 1 week...
OPS+: Carlos Peņa leads the AL with a 313 mark
Hits: Ichiro Suzuki with 10 is #1 as he tries to show last year was a fluke

HR Allowed: Josh Beckett already has allowed 5 (!)
ER Allowed: Francisco Liriano has allowed 10 already over 2 starts - so much for the comeback (ERA of 10).

Always fun to look around early on.
Mike Green - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#254432) #
Brian Matusz gets his second and holy carp

I knew that there was a reason why I always pass on the first smoked fish brought to the table.

The idea of "Endy Chavez, leadoff hitter" brings me back to a time long ago when I was young. Oh, it was innocent.  The music was great, jobs were a-plenty and the walk had not yet been invented by Bill James. Anyways, if the O's insist on a strict platoon, it is their folly.


greenfrog - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#254435) #
Jays have recalled Evan Crawford, apparently to cover for Santos during his brief paternity leave:

https://twitter.com/#!/gregorMLB/status/190872417009270785
John Northey - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#254438) #
FYI: another useful preview is Baseball Reference - http://www.baseball-reference.com/previews/2012/TOR201204130.shtml - just change from 04130 at the end to 04110 to see the preview for the last Boston game.
greenfrog - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#254441) #
The Jays are currently in sole possession of first place, courtesy of Boston's 12-2 win over the Rays. Now all we have to do is stay there - should be a piece of cake.

Nice start for Kuroda today. I think he could prove to be a very smart pickup for the Yankees (especially for 1/$10M).
scottt - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 06:14 PM EDT (#254442) #
JJ Hardy is one of the better shortstop in the AL East. Is he not?
scottt - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 06:20 PM EDT (#254443) #
So Rasmus before Arenciba today, a change in philosophy or just trying to get the bats going?
hypobole - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 06:24 PM EDT (#254444) #
Prior to today's games, Jays were #25 in AVG, #28 in both OBP & SLG, yet managed to translate that into (tied for)#9 in runs scored.
scottt - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 06:29 PM EDT (#254446) #
Is there a ranking for sac fly? I think they've hit their share of those.
hypobole - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 07:02 PM EDT (#254450) #
Is there a ranking for sac fly?

Just checked ESPN - BoSox have 6, Jays tied for 2nd with Tigers and Cubs with 4. Fittingly, O's have 0.
smcs - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#254451) #
JJ Hardy is one of the better shortstop in the AL East. Is he not?

He's top 5 for sure.
Anders - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#254452) #
Prior to today's games, Jays were #25 in AVG, #28 in both OBP & SLG, yet managed to translate that into (tied for)#9 in runs scored.

At a guess, the Jays extra innings have helped them score more runs, which is measured as an absolute, but hurt them in average, OBP, etc, which is measured as a percentage. That or just small sample size randomness in terms of bunching hits together to score runs.

Richard S.S. - Friday, April 13 2012 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#254454) #
At some point in this season, like today, this timely hitting was going to bite them in the butt.   Then Morrow pitching like he forgot everything he learned last year.   Dead arm periods occur at different times for different pitchers.   Was this expected or was this just overconfidance, because he had trouble holding a tie?   Which Jason Frasor do we have Toronto's 2011 or Chicago's 2011?   Is Oliver done, or is he being misused?   I ask this, and have other questions, because you'll never convince me Baltimore is good.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#254455) #
Ellsbury out at least six weeks with a shoulder injury - tough news for Boston. He and Pedroia (and Lester and A-Gon and Ortiz) are the straws that stir the drink.

Not a particularly good game tonight for the Jays. The damage against Morrow could have been even worse, as his pitches were up all night (and at least a couple of fly outs almost left the yard as well).
TamRa - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 12:12 AM EDT (#254456) #
even though I know that realistically it WILL happen from time to time, I'm always completely bummed to lose to a sucky team.
TamRa - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#254457) #
"Which Jason Frasor do we have Toronto's 2011 or Chicago's 2011? "

Frasor only stumbled for the first 10 days in Chicago (6 appearances) - After Aug 10 his ERA was 3.29

throughout his career he's had long stretches of effectiveness punctuated by short episodes (often a week or less) of really bad work.

If you happen to catch that bad episode early it skews the stats (even more than normal) but you'd have to see him be bad for 3-4 weeks before you'd have to worry.
Mike Green - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 08:24 AM EDT (#254461) #
The decision to pitch around Wieters in the eighth was interesting, in the particular game situation of a 1 run lead in the eighth with two outs and runners on first and third.  I would have gone after him (Wieters hits better left-handed, and with that in mind, the risk of the two-run single or bases-loaded walk to Betemit more than offsets Wieters' obvious power advantage). 
greenfrog - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#254471) #
"I'm always completely bummed to lose to a sucky team"

Totally. Hitting 4 HR and still losing at home to the O's and Tommy Hunter (with your #2 on the mound)? Please.
JB21 - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#254473) #
Wieters hits better left-handed

No he doesn't. There was actually talk last season of Wieters scrapping left handed hitting all together and going as a full time righty. Career numbers vs LHP .265/.333/.454 & vs RHP .265/.329/.404 which represents 50 points difference in OPS (.787 vs .733), all of which come from the slugging portion.

He actually did try going righty vs a righty a couple times in his career (not too sure if twas against Mo type reverse split pitchers) but in just 7 abs he was 2 for 6 with a walk.
fozzy - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#254475) #
I know it's early and all, but would you extend Kelly Johnson for 3 years plus an option?
Landomar - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#254478) #
I would be in favour of extending Kelly Johnson for 3 years or so, if a club friendly deal can be worked out.  That's something I would have done in the offseason, and I'd still be happy to see us lock Johnson up long term.
sam - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#254479) #
Yikes, I thought the bullpen was suppose to be improved?
JB21 - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 06:58 PM EDT (#254480) #
This. Is. Frustrating.
scottt - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#254481) #
This takes a lot of pressure off of Santos.
smcs - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#254482) #
ABANDON SHIP!!!!
JB21 - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#254483) #
Where's Shea when you need him?
sam - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#254484) #
Is this their way of saying you're welcome for opening day in Cleveland?
92-93 - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#254486) #
At some point John Farrell will realize that Francisco Cordero is not his 2nd best reliever.
BlueJayWay - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#254487) #
What's frustrating is that's already three games the Jays have lost while taking a lead into the eighth inning or later.  And there's been four such blown leads total.  Barely a week in.  This is just got to be one of those small sample flukes.
katman - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#254488) #
We'd better hope it's just a small sample fluke. Santos righting himself is key, though. Otherwise, we have a bunch of guys who are good by 5th - 7th inning standards, but not so great by 8th or 9th inning standards. That's a recipe for many blown saves.

We still need 1 more high-end starter to emerge beyond Romero/ Morrow/ Alvarez, and 1 more high-end bullpen arm, in order to seriously contemplate the playoffs.
Richard S.S. - Saturday, April 14 2012 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#254489) #

Strange isn't it.   I can't wait for Santos to return.   Janssen sucks in back-to-back which is unusual for him.   The staff is having trouble with the long ball, which is unusual, at least this many in so few games.

Jose Bautista is struggling so badly, yet I can see his problem.   I watch Mike Wilner and Greg Zaun on Blue Jays Connected show side-by-side shots of Jose hitting now and Jose hitting well.   I can see the problem, why can Jose, why can't the Team?

The biggest problem with this team is the hitting.   With the Team hitting poorly, the Rotation tries to be perfect, and they can't, but by trying harder they go out of their strengths and suck.   The Bullpen has the same problem.   Until they hit, things will be bleak.

Mike Forbes - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#254490) #
Positive: Colby Rasmus is starting to hit line drives all over the field. He's also one of the best defensive centerfielders us Toronto fans have seen in over a decade.

Negative: Arencibia looks absolutely brutal at the plate. I don't recall him looking this bad at any point last year.
TamRa - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 04:50 AM EDT (#254491) #
"What's frustrating is that's already three games the Jays have lost while taking a lead into the eighth inning or later. And there's been four such blown leads total. Barely a week in. This is just got to be one of those small sample flukes."

Indeed.

I admit to being maddeningly frustrated because one of my foundational philosophies for a successful season is "beat up on the bad tams" so it's tempting for me to look for basic flaws but in reality, this is in my view almost certainly a conflation of random sample-size events.

The bullpen is NOT this bad. Most every reliever has an occasional string of 2-3 appearances when they are a bit wobbly. If the hitting was running smoothly these wobbles would be much less noticeable.

ogator - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 08:49 AM EDT (#254493) #
It seems possible that the Orioles are not nearly as bad a team as most people assumed they would be. They look big and powerful and fast. Maybe they won't make the playoffs but maybe they will surprise some people. We tend to be overly Blue Jay-centric. Sometimes you have to tip your cap to the other guys.
CeeBee - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 08:55 AM EDT (#254494) #
Laffey got sent down so for now Crawford gets the spot.
hypobole - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 09:12 AM EDT (#254495) #
"beat up on the bad teams"

Maybe the O's are not as bad a team as we remember them being the past few years.
ayjackson - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 09:34 AM EDT (#254497) #

It seems to me the O's always start the season better than they finish it.

The steal of home was a big momentum swinger in the game, but it was the five preceeding pitches that cost us that one.  We went from a loaded bases, 3-0 count to our best hitter to an 0-2 count to Jose.  We could have broken that game wide open in those five pitches.

BlueJayWay - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 09:45 AM EDT (#254498) #
The steal of home was a big momentum swinger in the game, but it was the five preceeding pitches that cost us that one.  We went from a loaded bases, 3-0 count to our best hitter to an 0-2 count to Jose.  We could have broken that game wide open in those five pitches.

Yep.  That inning ticked me off to no end.  Coulda blown it open there.  The inning started off with three hits and a walk in the first firve hitters, already a run in and bases loaded, one out, 3-0 count to KJ with Bautista on deck.  Really disappointing for it to die there.
baagcur - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#254499) #
It seems to me the O's always start the season better than they finish it.

2010
to Aug 1 32-73
after Aug 1 34-23

BMark - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#254500) #
John Farrell called the Lawrie attempted steal of home a "major baserunning mistake".

The Lawrie attempted steal of home was frustrating but I wish Farrell would adopt Alex Anthopoulos' approach to dealing with the media. It isn't constructive to have Lawrie publically flogged by his venting manager. This sort of thing should stay between them - a simple "we've addressed the situation together" would be perfect. Can you imagine seeing a manager discuss his employee's performance negatively - especially a 21 year old employee - in the media like this in any other line of work?
Thomas - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#254502) #
Can you imagine seeing a manager discuss his employee's performance negatively - especially a 21 year old employee - in the media like this in any other line of work?

Not many 21-year-olds perform a job where they are watched by hundreds of thousands of people. I think Farrell handled it fine. He didn't make a huge deal of it, but made it clear that it was a huge error in judgment and they had talked about it. It was an idiotic play and Farrell shouldn't avoid calling a spade a spade.

snider - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 11:43 AM EDT (#254503) #
I thought it was an ok idea 0-2 2 outs and Bautista struggling.

If he had picked up something the odds of success were likely higher than Bautista hitting in that count. Also gave Bautista a fresh ab the next inning if unsuccessful.

The execution was poor.
bpoz - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#254504) #
I have been wondering about the starter for the 21st.

Farrell said that Laffey has been sent down to get stretched out as he is a candidate for that start. Hopefully he pitches well & gets stretched out. The only problem is how to recall him, as he needs to spend 10 days down.

Carreno had a great start for LV but that was on Thursday, so 9 days rest until the 21st, I am not sure how that would be handled. He has thrown enough pitches to be stretched out.
Hutchison have pitched well & he pitches today against 1st place New Britain. A good performance would put him in a favorable position.
Cecil has experience.

They all look like good enough choices. I do see Cecil as having the edge.
BMark - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#254505) #
Not many 21-year-olds perform a job where they are watched by hundreds of thousands of people.

The fact that they're on a stage doesn't make baseball players superhuman. Without getting into the psychology of athletes, it would be better to handle things internally than in the media. It's also interesting that Lawrie said he had no regrets about the situation (see article I linked to earlier), which tells me that Farrell didn't really get through to Lawrie about it being a major mistake.
Dewey - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 11:58 AM EDT (#254506) #
"beat up on the bad tams"

Hey, I do that from time to time myself.

But, TamRa,  (are you sitting down?) I have wanted to let you know for a while now that I’ve noticed a salutary change in your posting habits.  No more undisciplined screen-dumps of lists and bullet-points, but actual sentences.  And many of them make good sense.  I like it.  

There.  I said it.

Richard S.S. - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 12:29 PM EDT (#254507) #

Laffey pitches better than Cecil does right now.   Our depth reads now, after McGowan, Carreno, Laffey, Minors Pitcher(s) ???, Cecil, Richmond. 

I don't know whether Santos' return let's him pitch today, as much as we need him.  These past two days are embrassing.

Ryan Day - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#254512) #
It isn't constructive to have Lawrie publically flogged by his venting manager.

I think you have a strange definition of "publically flogged." Lawrie made a mistake, everyone knew he made a mistake, and Farrell acknowledged it. The rest of his quote:
“Probably not the best decision to make at that time, particularly with who was at the plate … The awareness of the situation has got to be a little bit more keen.”
That's hardly a flogging. If Lawrie wilts in the face of such mild criticism of such a bone-headed move, he doesn't have much of a future in the major leagues.
ColiverPhD - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#254513) #
Because of his fine play, many forget that Lawrie is a rookie. His mistakes will be of the aggressive nature...he is learning at the big league level.

But...why is Carreno in AAA?

It looks like Drabek is beginning to put it together. Kudos!!!
Thomas - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#254514) #
Ryan's right. It was the mildest form of criticism. If Alvarez gives up a home run to a batter on an 0-2 pitch with a fastball right down the middle and Farrell's asked about it after the game, what's he going to say then? He'll probably say something equally mild about needing to work on pitch selection or executing the pitches better. I don't think anyone will be up in arms over that.
Thomas - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#254516) #
Without getting into the psychology of athletes, it would be better to handle things internally than in the media.

Farrell did handle it internally. He had a talk with Lawrie.

When he was asked about the mistake that was witnessed by everyone observing the game, he confirmed that he thought it was an error in judgment. Farrell didn't castigate Lawrie through the media or anything. I am really struggling to see what people are objecting to here.

TamRa - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#254518) #
Notes from all over:

Drabek looked GREAT today in the stat line, I'll be interested to see what the eye-on folks say. One walk in particular catches my eye. And since Morrow and Alvarez both got a little touched by the likes of Betimit and Riemold it can't be just the quality of the opposition. Also good to see the cecision to let Crawford get his feet wet in the ninth just to break up any possible jitters.

Also good to see some of the sleepy bats coming around - Esco and Lawrie and Rasmus (yesterday) - Jose had a double today which might help sooth his apparent mood.


Thinking about the 21st...

If it were to be Carreno, he would seem to need a side session/sim game sort of thing Tuesday to keep him sharp; if it were to possibly be Laffey, you'd expect to see him start in Vegas tomorrow although I have to say I don't know about the 10-day rule.

Hutchison is the only one of the kids who lines up on 4 or 5 days rest.

Personally, I still have a sneaking suspicion it will be Perez. He's not exactly stretched out but they could let him go down and throw another 4 innings or so worth of pitches after the game today (or really already be doing so) and we wouldn't even necessarily know about it. I honestly don't see that many other options. Someone mentioned in the other thread some comments from AA during the game today and it really didn't sound like they thought Hutch was ready and that the other two were behind him. But he reportedly said they had their "eye on" someone.


If McGowan begins to throw towards the end of next week, and you spot him a typical ST period to get back to major league ready then so...last week of May? first week of June? i wonder if they won't finess his rotation to minimize the number of games he'll be pitching in an NL ballpark? i think I would.

so who'ever the #5 is will maybe make seven starts or so?

TamRa - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#254519) #
also, Bautista was quoted by a couple of jurno's on twitter as saying he was fine with the steal attempt, except that he wouldn't have gone on the 0-2 because he would have been forced to swing at any strike.

also thought he'd have been safe if he hadn't got his feet tangled up and folded instead of extended.
Ryan Day - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#254521) #
Edwin's got a mean swing going right now. Seems like every time I see an at-bat, he's whacking a ball off the fence, if not over it.
John Northey - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#254522) #
Listening to the radio when Drabek did the walk it sounded like he was getting tired according to the announcers - he was getting to 3 ball counts more often and a fear of him imploding seemed to be in the air. Then he got a nice groundball double play and a k for the final out to finish the inning.

IMO that was big for him. He is starting to reach his limit, finally walks a guy and responded by getting a nice double play grounder and finishes the inning. Bit surprised he got to start the next inning and faced two batters (hit and a force out) but I guess the thinking is you want him to push his limits and see what happens in a safe environment (big lead).

Also nice to see Crawford get broken in today. Big lead is the perfect time to give a kid his first chance.
Chuck - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#254523) #

And since Morrow and Alvarez both got a little touched by the likes of Betimit and Riemold it can't be just the quality of the opposition.

Not sure what this statement is intended to mean. If your use of "by the likes of" is intended to demean Betemit and Reimold, note that their career OPS+'s are 105 and 110, respectively.

hypobole - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#254525) #
Here's something to stir the WAR pot again.
Going into today's action Jays starters 3.14 ERA was #9 in MLB, but have only 0.1 fWAR. Brewers starters 6.10 ERA is the worst in MLB, but they have 0.5 fWAR.
Richard S.S. - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 06:04 PM EDT (#254526) #

The most encouraging thing in this game was Rajai Davis's two bases on balls, one in the 6th with 2 out and a 3-2 score.   The next most encouraging thing was Jeff Mathes' 2 hits and a walk.   The next most encouraging thing was Toronto sending 13 men to the plate in the 6th, 8 with 2 outs.

Farrell said Wednesday or Thursday that Dustin McGowan was throwing again.  The earliest (4 weeks) that McGowan can return is a Start on May 11th, giving our 5th Starter just 4 starts, so that's our judgement day.   Apparently A.A., in a radio interview today (as per Buck Martinez), said Chad Jenkins, Joel Carreno and Drew Hutchison are being considered for a start on the 21st.   (That interview is not yet available on the interwebby.)

Tampa Bay comes in for three, hopefully better attendence occurs.   The last place Rays send Niemann (0-1, 5.40), Price (1-1, 4.82) and Hellickson (1-0, 3.29) to face Romero (1-0, 3.38), Morrow (0-0, 2.57) and Alvarez (0-0, 2.77) of the 1st place Jays.   If you like pitching, this will be an interesting series. 

BlueJayWay - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 06:18 PM EDT (#254528) #
The Jays never miss Price :(
uglyone - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#254529) #
a little bizarro world so far this year in jaysland - the much maligned rotation has been stellar, while the much lauded bullpen has lost us a bunch of games already. at least the offense seems to be rounding into form finally.

We really should have won this series. One bullpen burp is understandable, 2 in a row is unacceptable.

For me, there's no doubt that Kyle Drabek is by far the most encouraging story of this young jays season - I cannot believe that this is the same kid we saw last year. He's an entirely different person on the mound. He might just have an MLB career yet.....and he might just give the Jays a solid front-4, which is something nobody thought they'd have this year. Keep it up, kid, keep it up.
uglyone - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#254530) #
as for our #5 starter.....IMO Carreno should get a couple more starts, and Hutch should be the 2nd choice after him.

and I have very little faith in Dusty being a factor at this point.
Chuck - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#254531) #

You wonder if Farrell might not pair up Drabek and Mathis more frequently given today's performance. It's not like Arencibia's bat is discouraging such a notion.

smcs - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#254532) #
You wonder if Farrell might not pair up Drabek and Mathis more frequently given today's performance. It's not like Arencibia's bat is discouraging such a notion.

Mathis' bat should discourage such a notion.
JB21 - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#254533) #
So shall JP's though.

Richard, after reading your comment on attendance I found a site that tracks comp attendance to date. This doesn't include today's game but we are ahead vs. last year (Red Sox may have helped, although it wasn't a weekend series).

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/current_attendance.shtml

92-93 - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#254534) #
I think pairing Mathis with Drabek is a wonderful idea.
92-93 - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#254535) #
"Bit surprised he got to start the next inning and faced two batters (hit and a force out) but I guess the thinking is you want him to push his limits and see what happens in a safe environment (big lead)."

Agreed. Drabek's pitch count wasn't that high. I was more surprised Drabek came out to start the 7th than the 8th, because the bottom of the 6th took quite awhile for the Jays and with a day off tomorrow I was expecting Farrell to call it a day for Drabek at around 85 pitches and get 3 innings out of his 8 man bullpen. Once you kept him warm and had him pitch the 7th I liked the idea of allowing him to come out for the 8th until the lefty came up.

Crawford has quite the funky delivery.
Richard S.S. - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#254536) #
April 2010's 11 Home games were attended by 218,740 fans.   April 2011's 15 Home games were attended by only 229,852 fans (68,429 fewer than 2010's prorated).   In April so far in 2012, with 6 Home games in, the attendence is 170,704 fans.   With Toronto in April 2012, with 3 Home games verses Tampa Bay 75K+ expected), 3 Home games verses Seattle (60K+ expected) and 1 Home game (April 30th with 30K+ expected) verses Texas, 7 remaining, Toronto could easily exceed 300K fans in 13 Home games this year.
BMark - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#254537) #
Lawrie made a mistake, everyone knew he made a mistake, and Farrell acknowledged it. (Ryan Day)

When he was asked about the mistake that was witnessed by everyone observing the game, he confirmed that he thought it was an error in judgment. Farrell didn't castigate Lawrie through the media or anything. I am really struggling to see what people are objecting to here. (Thomas)


There was nothing out of line in the criticism and it was relatively mild - it was the usual sort of criticism that seems to appear in the media. However, I think managers should use a different approach. I think discussing things in the media, especially negative things about players, should be avoided because that just isn't a good way of communicating with people. In the same way that Anthopolous doesn't often say more than he needs to say, I'd like to see a manager keep his cards closer to his chest with the media and do more communicating with players instead.

This is perhaps not the best example, but it's something that has bothered me for a while. I can acknowledge that sports writers need something to write and fans of the team need something to consume, but how can it be constructive? When things are discussed publically, they can easily be misconstrued. It's similar to the difference between sending a reproachful email and simply calling a person up to discuss an issue, only magnified.
StephenT - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#254538) #
The April 2012 A.L. East Rock-Paper-Scissors Game:

Rays beats Yankees.
Yankees beats Orioles.
Orioles beats Blue Jays.
Blue Jays beats Red Sox.
Red Sox beats Rays.
TamRa - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#254540) #
"as for our #5 starter.....IMO Carreno should get a couple more starts, and Hutch should be the 2nd choice after him.

and I have very little faith in Dusty being a factor at this point."


Even if he's not, by that point in the season (early June) they will have a clear idea if Hutch is ready so whoevever the #5 in in may probably is a stop-gap in some sense.


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"and he might just give the Jays a solid front-4, which is something nobody thought they'd have this year. "


Ahem.

:)
TamRa - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#254541) #
"Not sure what this statement is intended to mean. If your use of "by the likes of" is intended to demean Betemit and Reimold, note that their career OPS+'s are 105 and 110, respectively."

Right. Which is to say, average little ordinary guys.

As opposed to feared hitters. Nothing to say they are weaklings necessarily, just that they are the sort of guys that the best pitchers tend to get and the scrub pitchers tend to get hit by. that they hit some off of our good pitchers says they are able to hit Drabek in theory)

Thus, in that they didn't (albeit one of them didn't play so I can push it too far) hit Drabek means one can't as easily say "Well sure, Drabek looked good but it was "just the Orioles"

That's all.

Richard S.S. - Sunday, April 15 2012 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#254544) #

1. Drabek did today, what he was projected to due when he was acquired, he stopped the slide by winning the game against a Team that is playing very well at this time of year.

2. Baltimore has some really good guys, some good guys and a bigger bunch of average guys who hit us well games 1 & 2.  

On a more interesting note,Toronto has 13 Home games in April, 12 in May, 12 in June, 14 in July, 12 in August, 15 in September and to end the Season, 3 Home games - 1st, 2nd and 3rd of October.   Gives a whole new meaning to 'playing meaningful games in September' doesn't it? 

Chuck - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 07:10 AM EDT (#254552) #

just that they are the sort of guys that the best pitchers tend to get and the scrub pitchers tend to get hit by

So guys with OPS+'s of 105 and 110 do not hit good pitching? They feast entirely on bad pitching? I think you see things in black and white where I see a continuum.

Jonny German - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 08:30 AM EDT (#254553) #
I'd like to point out that Edwin Encarnacion is a 105 to 110 OPS+ guy. Very very consistently, year after year. But he gets there by oscillating between weeks of being Jose Bautista and weeks of being Jeff Mathis.
China fan - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 08:47 AM EDT (#254555) #
For what it's worth, Encarnacion has an OPS+ of 151 so far this year, which is obviously far above his career average. Everyone is hoping that he has turned a corner, and this is the "new normal." Of course we hope the same thing about every player who has a hot streak for 9 games.... But maybe he has indeed turned a corner. If so, it will be very interesting to see if Anthopoulos agrees -- and if he tries to sign Encarnacion to a multi-year contract at some point during the season.
Mike Green - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 09:01 AM EDT (#254557) #
After nine games (2 blowouts and 7 cliffhangers), the Jays are 5-4 and ought to be 6-3.  That's good. They are on pace for 90 wins, which is about where they want to be.

My early subjective impressions are mostly positive.  Colby Rasmus and Eric Thames are off to cool starts, but will be fine.  Encarnacion's improvement is, I think, real.  My view is that once liberated from being a third baseman, he will hit more consistently like he can.  Two thumbs up for the club's adaptation to the Lind situation, platooning him with Francisco with Encarnacion moving between DH and first base is great.  Santos will be all right as the ace, and there is enough talent there to fill the supporting role.  The club does need (as everyone thought) one more starter, in case injury strikes.  For now, it would be delightful if the club used Carreno and Perez in swingman roles, with each throwing 3-5 innings when a 5th rotation starter was required (with the starter depending on the handedness-bias of the opponents club). 

Jonny German - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 09:17 AM EDT (#254559) #
For what it's worth, Encarnacion has an OPS+ of 151 so far this year, which is obviously far above his career average.

At 9 games, it's no new information. It's nothing EE hasn't done dozens of times before.

His OPS today is .957, in 9 games. In 2011 alone:

April 7 to April 15 (9 games), .929 OPS
May 29 to June 11 (11 games), 1.250 OPS
June 24 to July 3 (9 games), .917 OPS
July 7 to July 20 (9 games), 1.214 OPS
July 28 to August 14 (16 games), 1.293 OPS
August 31 to September 8 (9 games), .915 OPS

Despite all these stretches of brilliance, he ended the season with a .787 OPS, 110 OPS+. A standard EE season.
China fan - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#254560) #
Of course you're right about 9-game sample sizes, and I noted the same point in my own comment. But the fact that the majority of those 9-game hot streaks tended to be clustered more in the last four months of 2011, and the beginning of this season, is the reason why some people are optimistic about him. We will see.
Ryan Day - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#254561) #
Bautista has apparently taken Encarnacion under his wing, which could be good for development - they've had similar careers in a lot of ways. Edwin's got definite talent - and some serious power - but has to find a way to avoid those months-long slumps.
Mike Green - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#254563) #
In my case, Jonny, it's purely subjective.  I believe that some players who are stretched defensively at a position and spend their early career trying to master the defensive element of their game, can flourish offensively when relieved of the defensive chore. The thinking applies (perhaps) to someone like Brett Lawrie (who didn't really flourish until moved to third base) or Travis Snider (whose improvements from age 19 seem to have been primarily defensive).  In EE's case, he was kept at third base for the longest time. 

By the way, here is what Edwin's BBRef comparables did after age 29. It's a pretty good list of hitters.

greenfrog - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 11:46 AM EDT (#254567) #
"They are on pace for 90 wins, which is about where they want to be"

The only catch is that they've played two-thirds of their games at home, and two-thirds of their games against Cleveland and Baltimore. Add that to the small sample size, and it's hard to say much about their record so far.

But there are some real positives to date (EE, KJ, Drabek, Alvarez, team health, to name a few).

Is anyone else a bit concerned that two of the team's best hitters (KJ and EE) are likely gone as free agents (without compensation) after the season? Both will be in line for sizeable contracts if they keep this up.
bpoz - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#254569) #
Does anyone know AA's win projection for this year. Last year he gave a range of 81-91 roughly. He said that the team had many high draft choices and also players with expensive contracts. Well that is definitely an accurate statement.
He then said high draft choices & the fact that someone was willing to pay big $ means that they should be talented. I liked the statement, it was made up of positives and any possible negatives were left unsaid. So IMO well said AA.

I know some things in 2011 did not work as hoped or even as expected, like the performance of the rotation. But many decisions were made with the goal of asset acquisition or development, some worked like JPA & some did not like JoJo and the players at 3B before Lawrie. I believe SOME decisions will work rather than all or none. So my personal conclusion is that winning/competing was probably unlikely and everyone including AA knew it. Oh Darn, AA called it a development year any how, sorry for wasting your time.

So what is this year? No JoJo/Eveland. But injuries & non performance happen, McGowan, Cecil. A good SP option IMO in Litsch lost as well. Giving Drabek an opportunity early is fine with me, because he was next in line IMO, no matter the results. The 5th starter can be anyone of 3-5 pitchers IMO & I do not see a clear favorite. After 2 starts Drabek is making a claim on 1 rotation spot. IMO the 5th spot is an unknown factor even when McGowan & Litsch return.
So far this year I have not seen any questionable personnel choices. The platooning may help in winning until someone shows results to change that. We may or may not win this year but I see enough choices currently available to try to win until the AS break. For example in no particular order R Davis, Francisco, Snider & maybe Sierra can be used in the OF if something were to happen.

So I am hopeful that we will actually try to win until the AS break. Our position then will determine if winning is still the priority.

Jonny German - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#254571) #
Is anyone else a bit concerned that two of the team's best hitters (KJ and EE) are likely gone as free agents (without compensation) after the season?

I'm not concerned that EE will keep this up. He is what he is.

If KJ keeps it up, or repeats his 2010, he'll turn down the arbitration offer (~$13M) and the Jays will collect compensation. (The Jays could do much worse than to re-sign KJ, but given the recent contracts to Phillips and Kinsler he's probably going to get more years than is sensible).
hypobole - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#254573) #
Jonny, it's no longer an arbitration offer, it's now a qualifying offer. However I have no clue, if for some reason KJ accepts the offer, whether he could be traded before June 15th. Does anyone know if that qualifying offer is treated like an extension or a FA signing?
92-93 - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#254575) #
I'm confused - what's the significance of June 15th, and why wouldn't the Jays be able to trade Kelly Johnson if he accepted their qualifying offer? And if Johnson hits well enough to be worth 12+ million a year, why would the Jays want to trade him anyway?

There's very little reason to be concerned about the Jays being able to afford to keep their own talent under current ownership. It's augmenting the roster that may be the problem.
Mike Green - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#254576) #
Personally, I am most interested in whether the club adds talent (and salary, if necessary) in-season to maximize chances of winning in 2012. 


uglyone - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#254577) #
Johnson seems like the perfect bargain opportunity.

Whether it's because of his inconsistent yearly numbers, or because of his low "traditional" batting average number, KJ seems to be generally underrated and underappriecated.

His numbers in whatever split you use - career, last 5yrs, last 3yrs, last 2yrs - are all top-10 at the 2B position, whether you look at OPS, wOBA, wRC+, or WAR. He's also pretty solid defensively, above average in recent years by most metrics (and by my eye test, at least).

Even his "bad" year last year made him a dead average MLB second baseman, by most every measure.

But even though he's comparable to a guy like Phillips performance-wise, I don't think his reputation is anywhere near good enough to get that kind of contract. I think we could get him for $7-8m on a 2-3yr deal, which would be a bargain for his actual performance.
greenfrog - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#254578) #
"the Jays being able to afford to keep their own talent"

I don't know whether AA will make a qualifying offer to KJ. I suppose he might, if KJ has a career year (especially given the Kinsler and Phillips contracts). I guess it depends on the market for second basemen next off-season. I have a harder time seeing AA making EE a qualifying offer (or a competitive multiyear offer if EE posts a 900+ OPS and becomes a free agent).
92-93 - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#254579) #
Once upon a time you looked forward to competing in 2015.
92-93 - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#254580) #
From what I've seen from Kelly Johnson I'd have a hard time calling him above average defensively. My eyes think he's been average at best, with limited range but sure hands.
92-93 - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#254581) #
If a player is worth a qualifying offer I don't see why AA wouldn't offer him one. There's very little risk in a 1 year deal.
hypobole - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#254582) #
I'm confused - what's the significance of June 15th

You cannot trade a player signed as a FA before then without their written consent. eg Cordero, Oliver this year with the Jays.
John Northey - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#254583) #
This upcoming winter will be interesting. Encarnacion, Johnson, Cordero, Frasor, Villanueva, Mathis, and Vizquel are all free agents and odds are none will get qualifying offers unless they drastically out-perform their 2011 seasons (Johnson has the best shot). That covers 3 relievers, 2 backups, and 2 starting players.

Who replaces them if they all go? Relievers generally are straightforward to replace as are backup catchers and infielders. EE is a DH/1B/3B/LF now (mainly DH/1B) and normally there are a few guys who can take over that role. Johnson has a replacement coming up in Hech (Hech to SS or 2B while Escobar plays the other). I can easily see all of them leaving this winter.

A shame MLB got rid of all compensation though. That could've been 5-7 draft picks (depending if Johnson & EE were type A or B, assuming relievers all became B's). Wonder if AA will trade a few of them mid-season in an effort to get something, depending on where the team is. Either using them for prospects (team out of contention) or for filling bigger holes (team fighting for it).
92-93 - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#254584) #
Ahh, makes sense. I'd guess if a player accepts a qualifying offer he isn't treated as a FA.
hypobole - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#254585) #
That would be my guess too, that it would be done before the FA filing deadline, so by accepting, they would never become a free agent.
TamRa - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#254586) #
"So guys with OPS+'s of 105 and 110 do not hit good pitching? They feast entirely on bad pitching? I think you see things in black and white where I see a continuum."

Let's not overlook the words "tend to"

greenfrog - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#254587) #
"Once upon a time you looked forward to competing in 2015"

Not sure who this was directed at, but I absolutely think AA is on the right track and I have no problem with him not trying to force contention (of course, if he can add talent at a discount without compromising the future, I'm all for it). Prior to 2012, I wouldn't have had much of a problem with losing KJ and EE - what is tough to take is (as John N points out) potentially receiving nil compensation in next year's draft.

Incidentally, Conor Glassey of BA recently commented that he would rate this year's draft crop a 45 (on the 20-80 scale), compared to last year (a 65 or 70 crop). So it may be harder for the Jays to stockpile superior amateur talent in 2012, despite the extra picks.
John Northey - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#254588) #
This years draft will be interesting to watch with it being the last extra picks year and the first year of the cap.

Can the Jays find a way to be aggressive despite it? Could there be a lot of talent in the $99k range that normally slips under the radar that they can grab in rounds 11 and beyond? Might some top talent slide off the grid and be available that otherwise wouldn't have been (ie: guys with talent who were thought to be school bound but who actually are desperate to start their playing careers)?

Scouting will be key this year and I like that the Jays have stocked up on quality scouts over the past couple of years. This is the year it could pay off big time in the draft.
greenfrog - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#254589) #
Looks as though reports of James Shields's demise have been greatly exaggerated. Today's start in Fenway: 8.1 4 0 0 2 5 (game score 78). He's not overpowering, but he sure knows how to pitch.
Mike Green - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#254590) #
Shields faced a weakened Sox lineup with both Ellsbury and Youkilis out.  Aviles, Pedroia, Gonzalez, Ortiz, Cody Ross, Sweeney, Punto, Salty and McDonald does not exactly strike terror in the heart of a pitcher.   Shields allowed 4 hits, all line drives, and 14 ground balls, all outs.  He pitched well, but I am actually disappointed that the Jays will miss him this time round. 
John Northey - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#254591) #
Heading into today the AL East has to be close to a record - all 5 teams within 1 game of each other - 3 way tie for 1st with Boston & Tampa tied at the bottom 1 game out. Hard to imagine a division being tighter any later into the season.
greenfrog - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#254592) #
Shields also shut down a team that had scored 12, 13 and 6 runs in its previous three games, and did so in a ballpark that is consistently one of the 7 or 8 best parks in which to hit (3rd-best last year). Shields will always have his naysayers, because he lacks power stuff and because of his down year in 2010.

FWIW, his career line against the Jays:

9-5, 3.60 ERA, 125 IP, 113 H, 24 HR, 26 BB, 98 K, opp. slash line of 236/278/445 (slugging-heavy OPS of 722).

That is an outsize HR total, but the overall numbers are nonetheless solid, in part thanks to his excellent control. If the Jays faced pitchers like Shields every night, they would finish well out of the playoff race.
Mike Green - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#254593) #
Nah.  I like pitchers like that.  His career ERA and FIP are just a smidge under 4. He'd sure look good in a Jays uniform.  Nonetheless, I'd rather face him than Price, Moore or Hellickson. 
greenfrog - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#254594) #
Interestingly, JP Arencibia hit 219/282/438 last year - almost exactly the mirror image of Shields's career line against the Jays. So you might ask: on the whole, how would a team perform whose lineup collectively hits like Arencibia did in 2011?
zeppelinkm - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#254595) #
And the answer, according to David Pinto's lineup analysis tool is: 3.974 runs per game.


greenfrog - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#254600) #
zeppelinkm, thanks for that link.
Richard S.S. - Monday, April 16 2012 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#254601) #
At least the Advanced Scout shows up tomorrow.
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