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The day the universe changed.

You remember 2009, right? The season from... Purgatory, let's say. We knew there would be punishment. We knew before the season started that the Blue Jays were in for a world of hurt. Some people anticipated that the team might have trouble avoiding 90 losses. After all, of the five starters who had played such a large part in the late season revival the previous year, one of them (Burnett) had fled to the Yankees and two of them (Marcum and McGowan) had been lost for the entire season before the first pitch was thrown. The fact that one other starter (Litsch) immediately went down for the year after making just two starts didn't help much either. A cast of youngsters and retreads had taken turns attempting to fill this enormous void, and only one (Romero) had shown himself to be ready for prime time. And so we were enduring our punishment. The Jays record stood at 61-75. There were 26 games left to play, a 90 loss season actually did seem like a possibility, and there was a very bad mood in the land. For although we had indeed foreseen the punishment, we weren't enjoying it very much. It felt like punishment.

Scott Richmond was the starting pitcher on this Monday afternoon, for a Labour Day clash with the Twins. After beginning his season in surprisingly effective fashion (4-0, 2.67), Richmond had pitched badly for several months (2-8, 5.22). As a bonus, just like every other starting pitcher in this final year of Brad Arnsberg's tenure as the pitching coach, he'd also found himself visiting the Disabled List. On this day, the Twins roughed up Richmond for a walk, a double, and four singles before he was able to record the first out. The Jays were down 5-0 before their first at bat.

In the bottom of the third inning, after a Scutaro double, Aaron Hill managed an infield single. Scutaro would score on a Lind sac fly, making the score 5-1; Hill would be left stranded on second. And then he left for the day - word had arrived in the dugout that Hill's wife had just gone into labour with their first child. Joe Inglett, who had started the game in right field, moved to second base to replace Hill, and Jose Bautista came off the bench to take over in right field. 

Bautista had been obtained a year and two weeks earlier, and the purpose of his acquisition seemed to be to provide support for the brilliant but fragile Scott Rolen. There were those who questioned the price - catching prospect Robinson Diaz - but in August 2008, Rolen did appear to be breaking down before our very eyes. But that was then. By September 2009, Rolen was gone, replaced by the enigmatic Edwin Encarnacion.

Bautista had been having a very undistinguished year coming off the bench. For the season, he was now hitting .218 and slugging .311 - he had hit just 3 HRs in 87 games. Cito Gaston had just tried giving him a run of regular play, sticking Bautista into the lineup every day for the past couple of weeks. But in those 15 games, Bautista had actually played worse, hitting just .174 (8-46) with no homers. He had been back on the bench for the previous day's game against the Yankees and he was on the bench to start this day's contest, until Hill's departure summoned him into the game.

In the fifth inning, Bautista came up for his first at bat against Jeff Manship. He homered to deep left field on a full count pitch.

And so it began. He stayed in the lineup, and three days later he hit another homer, this one off Scott Baker. The Jays went into Yankee Stadium, and Bautista homered on consecutive days against Michael Dunn and Chad Gaudin. Ten days later, he took Ian Snell of the Mariners deep. Then he caught fire, homering in four consecutive games (against Hunter Jones, Clay Buchholz, Hideki Okajima, and Chris Ray). On the final day of the season, he hit one, his 13th of the season, against Jeremy Guthrie. In the final 26 games since September 7, Bautista had hit .276/.345/.643 with 10 HR, 20 RBI and 20 runs scored.

It doesn't happen very often, but sometimes you can actually see the moment... when the room was flooded with light.
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China fan - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 07:39 AM EDT (#235325) #
Great piece!  None of us realized the significance of that moment when it happened.  Cito Gaston has been criticized for many things -- most of which look fairly irrelevant now, with the perspective of time -- but if he contributed to the creation of one of the best players in Jays history, that alone was worth the decision to bring him back as Jays manager.  It wasn't just a nostalgia appointment.
Dave Till - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 08:07 AM EDT (#235326) #
I am now starting to worry that people will expect too much of Bautista - especially now that the mainstream baseball media (if there is such a thing) has started to really pay attention to him. Jose is a wonderful player, but he has been hitting a little over his head; no human can hit at his current performance level for very long. And, last year, Jose tended to hit home runs in bunches and then have fallow periods. A slump is inevitable, and then some of the people who have hopped on the Bautista bandwagon might turn on him if, say, he stops hitting 5 home runs a week or whatever.

In the longer term, I have no worries about him at all. The Jays aren't expecting him to hit 54 home runs a year or bat .350, and he obviously has the work ethic and intelligence to make any adjustments that he needs to make. What the Jays need now is for the rest of the order to step up, so they can bring Jose home when the opposition walks him.



CeeBee - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 08:37 AM EDT (#235327) #
Well written Magpie!!! :) For all the Jays trials and tribulations since 77 we truly have been blessed and it is very magical. Back to back World Series and now Jose.... If the Canucks can somehow win Lord Stanley's cup I can die a happy man, though I'm not in a hurry to pack it in just yet :)
John Northey - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 09:31 AM EDT (#235328) #
Bautista has been amazing this year.
364/509/841 for an OPS+ of 275 which, if held, would be the best ever seen in ML baseball history. Better than any Bonds or Ruth or Williams season. That is how locked in he has been.

The Jays have played 45 games. 27.8% of the season. His 18 HR are a pace for 65 (over just 133 games). His 31 RBI are 18 from driving himself in, 13 from driving others in. His 37 runs scored are 18 via himself, 19 via others. Yet somehow he has just 3 IBB.

His Runs Created is 62. #2 in the majors is Ryan Braun at 42.

He leads the majors in batting average, OBP, Slg (841 4th all time behind 2 Ruth and 1 Bonds season), OPS (by over 200 points), batting wins (3.2), and tons more I'm sure. Crazy stuff.

Anyone who thinks this will last is fooling themselves. This is a pace that just 2 players have ever come close to, Ruth before the AL figured out how to deal with a home run hitter and Bonds when he was 'enhanced'. Still, it has been an amazing run and we have to enjoy it as long as it lasts.
Flex - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 09:59 AM EDT (#235330) #
I think the thing that impresses me most about Bautista, besides the home runs, is his obvious desire to Do The Right Thing. He seems always to be thinking about the team and the example he's setting. The other day he came dashing across the plate to score a run and in the next two steps had turned himself around, still flying, in order to help guide the next player coming in. I'd never seen that before.
Gerry - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 10:05 AM EDT (#235331) #

It is interesting to see the pitchers that Bautista began his streak against.  Most of them are not highly regarded.  If you were looking at that data and trying to project Bautista into 2010 you wouldn't have assumed he could replicate his homer hitting, you would have assumed it was a September effect where hitters can face AAA pitchers..

Could it be that Bautista built up his confidence against some weaker pitching?  Could it be that the instruction and the results came together at the same time and convinced Jose to stick with it?  It would not be unusual if J-Bau had received the same hitting advice previously but he abandoned it because the results didn't come (pure spectulation on my part). 

TamRa - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#235335) #
It wasn't just a nostalgia appointment.

Your premise doesn't support your claim.

It may or may not have been a nostalgia hire, i wouldn't use that specific word, but the reality that something shockingly unexpected by every last baseball observer on the planet happened to result says nothing about the motives of the hire.

I'd agree to the premise that arguably more good will come out of that one "fix" than any and all negatives which might be accounted to him combined. But that doesn't speak to WHY he was hired at all.
Gerry - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#235338) #

Big changes in batting order for tonight, plus the return of E5:

Davis CF, Patterson LF, Bautista RF, Escobar SS, Rivera 1B, Hill 2B, Thames DH, Arencibia C, Encarnacion 3B

 

 

China fan - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#235339) #

Nobody expected Bautista to turn into a league-leading hitter, but that's not my point.  Gaston did have a reputation of working well with hitters.  The motives for hiring him, obviously, were mixed.  Placating the nostalgic fans was definitely part of it.  Another motive, quite probably, was his reputation for helping to improve hitters.  I guess what I'm saying is:  his appointment was not SOLELY a sop to the fans, even if that was a big part of it.

ogator - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#235345) #
  When I saw the line-up with Escobar hitting 4th, my initial response was to wonder if the Jays weren't just foolishly moving a higher OBP lower in the line-up, so I looked at the OBP's of  yesterday's line-up.  Once you take out Escobar and Superman, the OBP's were .307,.283, .315,.309, .298, .270 and .294.  I thought that the offence was poor but I had no idea how horrible.  You can mix that order up any way you like but that line-up is not going to create a lot of runs. And tonight, comparing those OBP's to what the Yankees are going to send to the plate will create a very dramatic contrast.   They need Lind back and it is time to bring up Lawrie and they need to give more at bats to Thames and maybe some more changes.  But it doesn't matter what batting order they spin out of the hopper.  It is hard to compete with that kind of raw material.
Jonny German - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 06:25 PM EDT (#235346) #
I thought that the offence was poor but I had no idea how horrible.

Before looking it up I also would have guessed the Jays offence to be lackluster... but in reality they're tied for 6th in MLB (4th in AL) at 4.53 runs per game. Boston is just .02 runs/game better, so really it's like tied for 5th, and then there's a big half a run jump up to the big four of NYY, Cleveland (!), St Louis, and Cincinatti. MLB average is 4.16.
Chuck - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#235348) #
Further, the Jays' slash line 256/327/416 is better than the AL average 250/320/391.
Magpie - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#235350) #
The motives for hiring him, obviously, were mixed.

Who knows? It shocked me (I described it at the time as "something the Leafs would do") and I've wondered if Ricciardi didn't believe he'd ever have to fire his buddy John Gibbons and never did have a replacement lined up.

That said, I think it's possible the team would have turned around and played much better if they'd replaced Gibbons with me in the summer of 2008. Which is not a knock on Gibbons - he had to go because there was simply nothing else to do. The team had profoundly disappointed themselves, and were dead men walking, waiting for the axe to fall.

But one thing Gaston and company brought - and it's missing right now - is multiple hitting coaches. I think this is an excellent resource. In any classroom, no teacher can reach everybody, even with the best will in the world. As it happened, it was Gaston who worked with Adam Lind, Murphy who worked with Bautista, Tenace who worked with Scutaro. They can't do anything like that now. They have all kinds of resources for the pitchers, with Farrell himself, Walton and Hentgen. But Murphy is the only one who's ever worked with hitters. Lovullo has never coached before - he's always been a manager. Wakamatsu has been a bench coach and third base coach, as well as working with catchers. And we're all familiar with Butterfield's talents.
Thomas - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#235351) #
Anyone who thinks this will last is fooling themselves.

How sure are we about that?
John Northey - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#235352) #
Well, given no one in major league history has hit for a full season like Bautista is right now I find it hard to imagine.

Of course, then he goes and hits ANOTHER home run today. As they say, youneverknow.
scottt - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#235355) #
When I saw the line-up with Escobar hitting 4th, my initial response was to wonder if the Jays weren't just foolishly moving a higher OBP lower in the line-up, so I looked at the OBP's of  yesterday's line-up.  Once you take out Escobar and Superman, the OBP's were .307,.283, .315,.309, .298, .270 and .294.  I thought that the offence was poor but I had no idea how horrible.

The idea might have been to put a decent slugger in the cleanup spot while putting Davis back in the lead off role.
JPA seems like a good fit but he ended up with 4 RBIs anyway.

Patterson doubles, Bautista is intentionally walked (game is tied) so Escobar is made to sacrifice himself.
Initially, that looked like a dumb move, playing for the singe run against the Yankees at home, but in a way, this actually provides protection for Bautista. It's funny it keyed off a 5 run inning.


Jonny German - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#235356) #
Well, given no one in major league history has hit for a full season like Bautista is right now I find it hard to imagine.

No one in major league history has ever done what Bautista did last year either, with the incredible power surge. Let your imagination soar!
scottt - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#235357) #
plus the return of E5

results in a hat trick plus another error. It seems hopeless.
Thomas - Monday, May 23 2011 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#235358) #
John, if you noticed the time of my comment and the inning in which Bautista hit his homerun, you'll see that's exactly what I was referencing.

On another note, I don't understand how they can give Gardner a stolen base in the ninth inning of today's game. It's the definition of defensive indifference.

uglyone - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 12:09 AM EDT (#235363) #
It's funny that people are under the impression that the Jays' offense is "so horrible".

The Jays are 3rd in the AL in runs (and runs/gm), and 4th in the AL in ops.

And that's with all their best hitters out of the lineup for long stretches.

That ain't horrible.



And John Northey, Barry Bonds had a number of full seasons like Bautista is having now.
AWeb - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 08:53 AM EDT (#235374) #

People think the Jays' offense stinks because:

1. We haven't made the adjustment to the "new normal" offensive levels, which are way down in just a couple of years. We are having a hard time doing this as a fan base because of :

2. Bautista having a season right out of the best of the crazy era for Bonds, when 10-15 guys finished with an OPS over 1.000 every year. Not only does he make it hard to accept that offense is down, he makes other hitters look terrible by comparison. (For those who like their metrics more complex, in 2001, 21 hitters had a WOBA over .400. Right now, only two months in , 10 guys are over that level. ) It seems like the offense is bad because it's hard to imagine one guy making an offense good. But right now, one guy has been enough to lift the whole thing.

3. We've gotten used to the team being slightly above .500 because of pitching - the pitching hasn't been very good, or to be more specific, the starters haven't been very good this year. Not terrible, just not as good as I was hoping.

ogator - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 10:39 AM EDT (#235378) #
  AWeb makes three excellent points about the Blue Jays offence BUT apart from Bautista and Escobar, the OBP is low enough to be of serious concern.  An injury to Bautista would be devastating.  And there are possible solutions in Las Vegas.  Last year, AA made some excellent free agent signing fill ins and trades for veteran players.  So far this year, he has not been quite as lucky/wise. At some point it will become prudent to re-evaluate some of those decisions and some people now on the active rosters are going to have to me moved/released.  I am in the group that believes the time for some roster moves may be now.  The Jays may be able to contend for a play-off spot this year and the time for tweaking seems to be ripe.
Anders - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 11:42 AM EDT (#235386) #
I think that people are arguing two different things here.

The Blue Jays offense, on a whole, is actually performing quite well - t6th in wOBA at the moment. As Alex noted in an article a few weeks ago though, once you remove Bautista from the equation, the Jays offense has been mediocre to bad. The team basically divides into hitters that have been awful: Nix, Rivera, Hill, Davis, Encarnacion, Snider, McDonald, Cooper. Average: Thames, Patterson. Good: Escobar, Lind, Molina, Arencibia. Bautista: Bautista.

We don't know who can and will sustain their performance, but it is easy to see how the team could hit better with health (Lind), improvement (Davis, Hill, possibly Snider?) and call ups (Lawrie). For that reason, I'm optimistic.


ayjackson - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#235387) #

I'm not fond of the term "mediocre".  I'm never really sure what the user's intentions are with it.  It means average, but has negative connotations to it.  An offense that is average when excluding the best hitter in baseball, is actually good when including him.

We have the fourth best offense in the majors by at least one measure: wRC+.

 

Flex - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#235390) #
I don't think this great piece by Joe Sheehan on Bautista has been posted here yet:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/joe_sheehan/05/23/jose.bautista/index.html

uglyone - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#235392) #
once you remove Bautista from the equation, the Jays offense has been mediocre to bad."

I really dislike when people just decide to "remove" the best player from the team to try and make a statistical point.

Bautista is part of the team - the truth is, we have more right to complain that he's missed 8 games and to wonder what our offensive numbers would look like if he had been healthy, then to wonder what our offense would look like without him.

Not to mention we've been missing Lind for 15 games now and likely closer to 20, so we should be complaining that our team offensive numbers are deflated, not inflated.

I also don't like just pointing to OBP - I think that's even more misleading than pointing to just OPS. I prefer wOBA....but to come to terms with just how much offense is down this year, we should look at OPS+ for quick reference (remembering that 100 is league average)...

RF Bautista: 268
1B Lind: 139
C Arencibia: 136
SS Escobar: 117
LF Patterson: 105
DH Thames: 95
2B Hill: 76
CF Davis: 74
3B Nix: 74

we have more than just one or two guys hitting well this year....and we have very good reason to be encouraged by the fact that the struggling guys will either improve closer to their career norms or will be replaced by some young studs from AAA.

Anders - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#235396) #
I really dislike when people just decide to "remove" the best player from the team to try and make a statistical point.

Yes, using "numbers" to prove "points" of "fact" is beyond the pale. I get that cherry picking Bautista is going to create lots of interesting situations and is academic in large measure - clearly he plays for the team and will (hopefully) continue to do so. With that being said, I think the comment that precipitated this whole thing, that the team's offense without Bautista is lousy, is extremely accurate. I think it's indisputable.


AVG OBP SLG OPS
2011 Jose Bautista 0.352518 0.502762 0.827338 1.330101
2011 Jays 0.255886 0.326891 0.416976 0.743868
2011 AL AVG 0.250313 0.319865 0.392365 0.712231
2011 Jays W/O Bautista 0.24678 0.307362 0.378305 0.685667
2011 AL AVG + Bautista* 0.259328 0.33843 0.430735 0.769164






You can say that offense is down, so the Jays are actually doing well relative to league when all things are considered. I agree. The Jays offense is doing very well. Let's not kid ourselves here though, this team is being carried by Jose, who is having the best batting season relative to league in major league history to date.  Without Bautista, this is a below average lineup 1-9. He is in the lineup most of the time, mercifully, and will be going forward, so all of this is decidedly academic. It would be nice if a couple of sinkholes in the lineup improved, to take advantage of Bautista's year.

*This is not going to be entirely accurate, trust me, for one thing it double counts Bautista as being on the Jays, and assumes the at bats he is replacing are strictly league average. I doubt it's off by enough to discount the general point though, which is: holy flip, Bautista is really flipping good.
uglyone - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#235397) #
and if Bautista and Lind - our two best hitters - had been healthy this year, we'd have the best offense in the AL right now.

what's a more reasonable scenario to speculate on and/or use to analyze the team - Bautista not being a Blue Jay, or Bautista/Lind being healthy?
vw_fan17 - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#235402) #
So, Farrell has said that he doesn't want Lind back until he can field.. Given our current hitting situation, wouldn't it be better if Lind returned just to DH and we went back to a 7-man bullpen? Another strong bat in there would REALLY help the offense, IMHO.. (I realize we used several relievers yesterday, but..)
greenfrog - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#235405) #
Assuming everyone stays healthy, I predict the Jays offense will be fairly good from about June 7th on. Add Lind and Lawrie, subtract EE and Rivera (as regulars, anyway), and you have a pretty solid lineup with a nice balance of speed, power and patience: Escobar/Patterson/Bautista/Lind/Hill/Arencibia/Lawrie/Thames/Davis.

If Patterson falls off, sorting out LF and/or DH shouldn't be too hard (between Snider, Thames, Rivera, Wise, or someone else). With Lind and Lawrie in the lineup, the skill positions are basically taken care of, which is the hard part.
92-93 - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#235408) #
You don't need a 7 man pen to use Lind at DH - just send down Thames. Not being able to field shouldn't be holding Lind back.
China fan - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#235413) #

Farrell has already said that Lind will be playing a lot of DH when he returns to the lineup.  So they're not delaying his return because of his 1B obligations.  If they felt he was sufficiently recovered to play the DH role, he would already be up. 

I think the Jays are also happy to take a long look at Thames and give him a few weeks to begin his adjustment to the majors.  Even if he is eventually demoted to make room for Lind, he certainly looks like he's got good potential for the future.  He's showing a lot of plate discipline and good at-bats.

As for Encarnacion:  glad he is being relegated to DH in today's lineup.  When he was benched in the 5th inning yesterday to make room for McDonald, it was a clear signal that the Jays are giving up on his 3B role.   Like any budget-conscious GM, it seems that Anthopoulos absolutely hates to lose his $2.5-million investment in the guy.  But it's approaching the point where he might just have to write off the salary.

Alex Obal - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#235422) #
what's a more reasonable scenario to speculate on and/or use to analyze the team - Bautista not being a Blue Jay, or Bautista/Lind being healthy?

For me, pointing out how badly the rest of the team has hit is cause for optimism. This is what Thames, Lawrie, second-half Rivera, a reformed Snider, etc. will be replacing. For once the Jays aren't one of those 'everyone's average' teams which are so much harder to upgrade in midseason.
greenfrog - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#235423) #
Is it just me, or have the Jays had more than their share of brutal losses this year? This one was just awful. For all their good overall bullpen numbers, the Jays relievers have really let a few slip away...
Gerry - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#235424) #

Can we stop using Frank Francisco on back to back days until he figures out how to pitch better?

How has Octavio Dotel gone from a potential closer to the seventh man in the bullpen?

Free Shawn Camp.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#235425) #
Personally, I thought that many first basemen would have fielded Granderson's single. One of those first basemen would not be Brett Wallace, however; he showed even less mobility than I had expected.
ComebyDeanChance - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#235427) #
I thought the defence at first could have been better in the ninth as well. There were two tough plays and Rivera was unable to make either of them. I was also surprised to see Zepcinski brought in with two out in the eight, after he'd not been brought in to face Granderson and Texeira.

New York and Boston are not easy places to win late in close games. They don't give it away. I hated the two late runs in the eight, but the ninth was quintessential Yankees.
Alex Obal - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#235429) #
What bothered me most was Granderson's stolen base. Total lapse in concentration. Francisco looked frustrated and made no effort to vary his times to the plate. I called the SB right after the first pitch to Teixeira...
85bluejay - Tuesday, May 24 2011 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#235432) #
With Jansen pitching well in the 8th, why not walk Cano and have Jansen pitch to RH Martin?  AA said while doing his managerial search that the Jays may hire someone who is not ready to manage yet but has great potential - That sums up my view of the new manager.
smcs - Wednesday, May 25 2011 @ 01:45 AM EDT (#235434) #
Don't think I can really fault the bullpen management tonight. Maybe bring in Camp instead of Janssen, but I am a big believer in using Camp at every opportunity. Also annoyed by Escobar's sac-bunt. I'm fine with a Johnny Mac bunt, or even Corey Patterson (yes, yes, I know he has done well against lefties) in the same situation, but I would rather see Escobar take his hacks with Sabathia on the ropes.

If I had my druthers, I think I would like to see a lineup of Escobar-Bautista-Arencibia-Lind-everyone else-Davis lineup once Lind gets back. Just get Bautista out of the three-spot.

Chuck - Wednesday, May 25 2011 @ 06:44 AM EDT (#235437) #

One of those first basemen would not be Brett Wallace, however; he showed even less mobility than I had expected

I don't know that I've ever seen another baseball player with legs as thick as Wallace's. They seem entirely disproportionate to the rest of his frame.

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 25 2011 @ 08:47 AM EDT (#235440) #
Hmm.  It's close.  Judges, can we have a ruling? Brett Wallace or the old-timer?
92-93 - Wednesday, May 25 2011 @ 09:56 AM EDT (#235445) #
The last few nights are an example of why I think the Blue Jays need a 7 man bullpen. Having 8 gives Farrell the breathing room to make way too many moves with his bullpen, and it has a cascading effect. Monday night in a 4 run game he chose to remove Luis Perez, a guy who has been starting in Vegas, after 5 pitches for Francisco when Dotel was available. Then last night he takes out Janssen after 8 pitches with a runner on and a 3 run lead, burning through Rzepczynski before getting the ball to a tired Francisco. I would have liked to see Farrell leave Janssen in there at least until the tying run comes to the plate, and that way he could have used Rzepczynski to kick off the 9th vs the tough LHB, perhaps going to Dotel or Camp to finish it off vs. the righties.

Don't get me wrong, the loss was entirely the fault of the Blue Jays offense's inability to do anything past the 4th and their relievers for crumbling. Farrell's bullpen management leaves a lot to be desired though, and he may take a more conservative approach with only 7 arms back there.
Mike Green - Wednesday, May 25 2011 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#235446) #
"The Octopen"?
Kasi - Wednesday, May 25 2011 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#235449) #
So you complain about Farrell doing too many moves with the bullpen, but at the same time say that he should have used Rzep for one batter to start the ninth followed by Dotel? That seems like you just don't care for the moves he made, not that he made them.

I think the only thing to draw from last night's game is Francisco should never be used back to back.
92-93 - Wednesday, May 25 2011 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#235451) #
I didn't say he SHOULD have done that - I said he COULD have, and then that PERHAPS he could switch to Dotel if need be. I was using Farrell's own tendencies to suggest a different way of managing last night's game. And even if that is how he would have played it, the difference is that Dotel & Rzepczynski hadn't pitched the night before, whereas Francisco did. I would definitely have advocated giving Janssen the entire 8th and using Rzep or Camp for the 9th, or bringing Janssen back out to start the 9th if he got out of the 8th with minimal damage. Stop burning through RP who haven't thrown 15 pitches in May.
BlueJayWay - Wednesday, May 25 2011 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#235452) #
The last few nights are an example of why I think the Blue Jays need a 7 man bullpen. Having 8 gives Farrell the breathing room to make way too many moves with his bullpen, and it has a cascading effect. Monday night in a 4 run game he chose to remove Luis Perez, a guy who has been starting in Vegas, after 5 pitches for Francisco when Dotel was available. Then last night he takes out Janssen after 8 pitches with a runner on and a 3 run lead, burning through Rzepczynski before getting the ball to a tired Francisco. I would have liked to see Farrell leave Janssen in there at least until the tying run comes to the plate, and that way he could have used Rzepczynski to kick off the 9th vs the tough LHB, perhaps going to Dotel or Camp to finish it off vs. the righties.

This is exactly what I would have done as well.  Farrell seems to be the type who likes to cycle through his whole bullpen every game if given half the chance. 

Rzep has been great this year, but so has Janssen.  J was throwing well, had hardly thrown any pitches.  Lifting him there for Cano, with more righties following, seems like overmanaging to me.  I didn't like the move at the time.  I had a bad feeling about it, and now I know why.

One problem with this approach is that, by going through so many relievers, chances are you'll eventually find someone who doesn't have it that day. 
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