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With offense way down for the second year in a row, I figured it'd be worthwhile to take a quick and dirty look at the Jays' stats so far, and compare them to the league totals from this year and last.


And that means tables! Two small, unassuming data tables with simple stats. Hitters, ranked by OPS:

                    PA    K%  BB%  HR%   BA  OBP  SLG

Jose Bautista      134  14.2 24.6  8.2 .350 .515 .760
Adam Lind          140  16.4  5.0  5.0 .313 .343 .516
Jayson Nix          54  27.8 16.7  3.7 .244 .370 .422
J.P. Arencibia     106  22.6  9.4  4.7 .229 .302 .469
2010 Blue Jays          19.2  7.8  4.2 .248 .312 .454
Corey Patterson    111  20.7  6.3  1.9 .276 .315 .438
Jose Molina         50  20.0  8.0  2.0 .250 .327 .409
2010 American           17.5  8.5  2.5 .260 .327 .407
Yunel Escobar      151  14.6 10.6  2.0 .269 .347 .385
2011 Blue Jays          17.8  9.4  2.7 .250 .323 .401
2011 American           17.6  8.8  2.4 .251 .321 .393
Jays minus Bautista*    18.2  7.8  2.1 .241 .303 .370
Minus Bautista & Lind*  18.4  8.2  1.7 .232 .299 .352
Edwin Encarnacion  113  13.3  3.5  0.0 .243 .274 .355
John McDonald       90  14.4  7.8  2.2 .210 .278 .346
Mike McCoy          45  28.9  6.7  2.2 .238 .289 .333
Juan Rivera        127  13.4 11.8  1.6 .216 .315 .288
Rajai Davis         78  19.2  3.8  0.0 .240 .269 .307
Travis Snider       99  23.2 10.1  1.0 .184 .276 .264
Aaron Hill          87  17.2  3.4  0.0 .225 .253 .263
David Cooper        37  13.5 10.8  2.7 .133 .243 .267

* calculated by hand and may be slightly off due to catcher's interference, sac bunt technicalities, my inability to do mental math in the morning, etc.
Not listed: Chris Woodward.

Yes, those really are Jose Bautista's numbers. Yes, the rest of the team has been pretty weak. As depressing as the totals without Lind and Bautista are, at least they might serve as an impetus for AA to send in some reinforcements. It would be a shame to waste another monster MVP season from Bautista, though wasting MVP seasons has been this franchise's identity for the past 10 years, hasn't it?

And the pitchers, ranked by OPS against:

                  IP/GS   IP    K%  BB%  HR%  GB%   BA  OBP  SLG  ERA
Marc Rzepczynski         17.1 27.7  7.7  0.0 67.5 .172 .262 .190 2.60
Carlos Villanueva        21.1 19.5 11.7  2.6 35.8 .134 .234 .239 1.69
Casey Janssen            15.2 16.9  7.7  0.0 44.4 .241 .323 .276 1.72
Brandon Morrow      5.3  21.0 32.6 11.2  1.1 34.7 .221 .303 .312 4.71
Jason Frasor             16.1 25.8  6.1  3.0 37.2 .200 .273 .350 1.65
Jon Rauch                14.2 14.0  8.8  5.3 38.6 .173 .246 .385 3.07
Frank Francisco           8.2 29.7 16.2  5.4 55.0 .161 .297 .355 3.12
2011 American       6.1       17.6  8.8  2.4 44.0 .251 .321 .393 3.91
2011 Blue Jays      5.5       20.1 10.0  2.6 43.7 .244 .327 .394 4.06    
Ricky Romero        6.0  42.1 23.9  8.3  3.3 51.7 .239 .307 .417 4.04
2010 Blue Jays      5.9       19.2  8.7  2.4 45.7 .255 .326 .405 4.22
2010 American       6.1       17.5  8.5  2.5 43.9 .260 .327 .407 4.14
Jesse Litsch        5.9  41.1 19.9  8.5  2.8 47.2 .258 .326 .415 4.14
Shawn Camp               18.0 10.8  5.4  1.4 51.7 .279 .329 .441 2.50
Jo-Jo Reyes         5.1  36.0 14.4  6.6  1.2 33.6 .302 .367 .443 5.00
Kyle Drabek         5.4  43.0 17.0 14.4  2.6 48.5 .278 .383 .438 4.81
Octavio Dotel            10.0 24.5 18.4  6.1 26.9 .211 .375 .474 7.20
Brett Cecil         5.3  21.0 16.0 11.7  4.3 30.8 .304 .376 .519 6.86

Not listed: Scott Richmond, David Purcey, Luis Perez.

BABIP has plummeted over the last two years, from .300 in 2009 to .294 in 2010 to .286 in 2011. The fielders are getting better, or the balls are getting hit less hard, or both. Or something else? Whatever the cause, hits are tougher to come by, and that might be the cause of the lower run environment. Alternatively, pitchers may have already known that there were fewer homers going around, and started to pitch around hitters accordingly. Chicken or egg? Interesting question, no clue.

Fun fact I discovered while compiling these stats: Jo-Jo Reyes ranks second on the team in Fangraphs WAR, edging out Ricky Romero at 0.6. Yeah, that Jo-Jo Reyes, the guy on the Blue Jays. Morrow gets hurt again and the Jays' Pitcher of the Year award is Reyes' to lose. Reyes' high WAR is entirely due to his low FIP, which is entirely due to his low HR rate, which is entirely due to his 3.4% HR/FB rate, and I don't think his fastball is that good. So it probably won't last. Still, I'm fairly confident 0% of Blue Jays fans would consider Reyes their second-best starter thus far. Reason #487b to stick with smaller, simpler stats for assessing players in the present.

Opening day rematch tonight – Romero takes on strike-throwing righty Carl "P Control" Pavano. (Okay that isn't really his nickname, but like I was gonna let this thread go without a Minnesota music reference...) Jays -110, forecast calls for about 10 degrees, first pitch 8:10.
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China fan - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:02 AM EDT (#234712) #
But even by the "smaller, simpler stats", it seems that Reyes is performing as well as Kyle Drabek and better than Brett Cecil, which would have surprised a lot of fans a few weeks ago.
Alex Obal - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#234714) #
Oh, for sure. Cecil was awful and Drabek has done, by the numbers, a bang-on Chris Volstad impression. I would take Romero's and Litsch's first six weeks over Reyes' in a heartbeat, though.

Reyes is ranked dead last on the team in Baseball Reference WAR. The WAR figures seem to suggest that an accurate assessment of Reyes' contribution, depending on how much credit/blame you assign to pitchers for homer avoidance/hit non-avoidance, probably lies somewhere in between 2nd best and 17th best. I'm not sure I could have figured that out myself.

AWeb - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:12 AM EDT (#234715) #

Given how dramatic the shift has been the last two years, I think it's fair to suspect some monkey business with the balls. As far as I know, I think the 1987 offensive explosion is generally accepted to have been due to the balls. Most of us have seen the HR contest and the livelier balls used there (BP fastballs should not result in the longest HRs ever hit in some parks). In both cases, MLB has denied anything was "up". When offense changes a lot, in just a few years, I think the most reasonable explanation is the equipment, rather than the players. I would apply this to the late 90's explosion as well, actually - although some other stuff was going on too..

The specifications for usable baseballs are written down in the rules, but there is enough wiggle room in the acceptable range for "hardness" to manipulate things a lot, and not many people would need to be in on it.  I know, it sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory, but I honestly don't believe the players have changed that much in the last 2-3 years.

Aside from suspecting something is up with the equipment, I think other changes are - organizations mostly realizing that groundballs are preferable and focusing pitchers to aim for them (but has MLBs groundball rate changed?), and also that defensive contributions can be as good as offensive ones - I think this has mainly affected the OF spots, where there seem to be fewer of the "should be DHing" types around.

greenfrog - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#234718) #
Lind has a 1009 OPS against Pavano in 22 PA. Hopefully he's healthy enough to play tonight.
Mike Green - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:31 AM EDT (#234721) #
If you were actually trying to win in 2011, you would probably break it down as follows.  You do not have better options down the middle of the diamond than Arencibia, Hill, Escobar and Davis.  Bautista and Lind are set.  Your third baseman ought to be Nix until Lawrie is ready.  The obvious area for improvement is LF/DH, and there are better options available than Rivera/Patterson.  As for the pitching staff, you would probably move Reyes to the pen and call up Cecil for the pen, move Zep to the rotation and find another home for 2 RH relievers.

But, actually trying to win in 2011 seems like a secondary goal.  I have to admit that the opposition in the AL East does not seem as strong as I thought it would be.  The Red Sox, Yankees and Rays all appear to be good but not great clubs.  The O's are better than last year (as I thought they would be), but they are certainly not a great club.  This does not mean that a failing to sign Jayson Werth or Adam Dunn for a gazillion dollars was a mistake, but rather that the little things that need to be done should not be postponed because of concerns about super-two status. 

The funny thing is that for me trying to win in 2011 is consistent with the long-term building of the club.  Giving Thames/Snider and later Lawrie opportunities, and making the small changes to the staff would serve both purposes, in my view. 

Alex Obal - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#234722) #
If they took the juice out of the ball, why? I suppose it has a leveling effect, and as a result bad teams will tend to stay in contention longer. Anything else?

Cutters help. Pitchers get a much better shot at retiring opposite-handed hitters, and mediocre changeups become more effective. Defense returning to fashion as the Next Great Statistical Frontier helped. Maybe it's a relatively talented generation of pitchers to begin with. There are a ton of these small factors that may have benefited pitchers, but watching balls fail to jump off the bat this year I tend to agree the equipment has probably changed too. At the Dome this year I've seen a few balls I thought were no-doubters off the bat that landed in the bullpen.
hypobole - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:45 AM EDT (#234723) #
I was just thinking a few days ago that Bud will be telling the ball makers to start winding them tighter. I'm going to add 3 theories (none of which I can back up with statistics) for the decrease in scoring.
1)Increased usage of the cut fastball. Rivera's pitch seems to be spreading throughout the majors, giving one more effective weapon in pitchers arsenals.
2)Increased usage of 7 man pens. More hitters are seeing same handed pitching, especially in later inning higher leverage situations. This also removes one pinch hitter for the manager to create a favourable matchup (and because of the shorter bench, less likelihood of a good bat, weak glove player available)
3) Increased care of starting pitchers. Managers not letting pitchers go to ridiculous pitch counts, thus fewer quality starters suffering injury and having to be replaced by AAA types.
AWeb - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:47 AM EDT (#234725) #
If they took the juice out of the ball, why? I suppose it has a leveling effect, and as a result bad teams will tend to stay in contention longer. Anything else?

Well, again, this sounds a bit tinfoil hat-sque, but if MLB wants to convince observers that steroids have gone away, why not dejuice the ball a little. It's easier than having a policy capable of catching cheaters who are good at cheating. It's never been entirely clear why hitters got a much larger boost in performance compared to pitchers, but for average Joe sportsfan steroids = homers. So it's a way to get congress off of MLBs back - the anti-trust thing is a sword wielded by US Congress over baseball, and the less congress notices them, the better. Again, it sounds crazy, and I feel a bit bad just writing it down, but I wouldn't put it past MLB to get rid of steroid talk by simply getting rid of homers the easiest way possible.
Anders - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#234728) #
Re scoring: it would seem like it would be in the interest of MLB to have more scoring rather than less, as presumably that is what the fans want to see, and fans = money.

Who knows though really. I think that an increased preference for defense is as likely as anything else.

Alex Obal - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#234729) #
I can buy the tinfoil hat story, I guess. I haven't followed the steroid proceedings closely at all, but from a PR perspective, sure, makes enough sense for them to want it. Ideally the new home run king would be a guy who looks like Jose Bautista; maybe they'll get lucky and he will be just that.
bpoz - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 11:10 AM EDT (#234730) #
Mike Green, I like what you say about getting the youngsters up in a short time.
Lawrie has 151ABs & Thames 135ABs so far and it has been 5 weeks. Maybe 250AB or 300AB at most I hope, for comfortable seasoning. When the ML seasoning starts, growing pains have to be expected IMO, with us fans sharing in the pain.
I liked Snider's defense. He saved Cecil in his 1st start IMO.
Lawrie & his tutor must be putting in a lot of hours on his defense and progress is being made. It is not defensive flaws but inexperience at 3b so time should do the trick.

Thames too is not complete defensively, I believe. Time should fix him too. But with Bautista & Snider at the corner OF where does he play.

IMO the 2011 Jays position roster can have 2-3 versions when all is said & done. 1) Due to injuries 2) Due to pending/expected promotions. A lot of filler/fringe type players currently playing are expendable. As well 2 40 man spots can easily be found.

But why stop at 2 40 man changes in mid season. ie 1 of Stewart OB.
uglyone - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#234734) #
I'm becoming a convert to the xFIP > FIP school of thought.

Ridiculous homerun rates really screw with the FIP ratings (see: 2010 Buchholz, Clay, and 2011 Reyes, JoJo).

as for the Jays' offensive numbers "minus Bautista/Lind", can we see the Jays' offensive numbers "minus Rivera/EE" (i.e. the guys who will be imminently replaced by the best of Snider/Lawrie/Thames/Cooper)?
John Northey - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 12:29 PM EDT (#234737) #
Checking the minors there is some interesting stuff stats wise.

Catcher: only 3 guys over 700 for OPS in the minors, A.J. Jimenez (A+) the best at 356/398/505 the others in low-A

First Base: Cooper still over 900 OPS overall, Mike McDade in AA is at 325/366/484 but no minor league 1B has 4 HR yet.

Second Base: Jonathan Diaz AA/AAA is at 263/403/343 and Manny Mayorson has a 900 OPS over 47 PA in AAA otherwise it is ugly.

Third Base: Lawrie is killing AAA at 331/373/576 then drops to Balbino Fuenmayor at 294/377/382 (0 HR).

Shortstop: Woodward is having a nice retirement hitting 329/370/553 overall (I think he was about to retire when the Jays offered him a job). No other minor league SS is over 700 for OPS.

OF: Eric Thames likes AAA pitchers to the tune of 341/416/600 and Dwayne Wise is doing well 328/378/522 mostly in AAA. A few guys doing OK in A ball, Adam Loewen seems to be finding his power (263/317/509). Anthony Gose is having issues in AA with the bat 246/362/310 but is 14-3 in SB-CS.

Lawrie and Thames obviously are not seeing Vegas as a challenge, Loewen might still emerge, and Woodward is doing a good job as a AAA insurance policy. Hopefully our catching situation stays stable as there isn't a lot of help in the minors for a couple more years and if Hill doesn't start hitting we've got a major issue at 2B potentially. But mix in Snider's 340/433/420 at AAA with Thames and Loewen (can we transplant Loewen's power to Snider?) and we have a good outfield backup nearby.

I suspect come June we'll start seeing serious changes, July / ASB at the latest.
Dave Till - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#234738) #
I hate it that the Jays have Las Vegas as their AAA affiliate. Everybody who has any discernible talent at all seems to hit at least .300 there.

This does mean, I fear, that the farmhands might not be as much help as we hope. If Chris Woodward is hitting .329 in Vegas, and Lawrie is hitting .331, we probably should assume that Lawrie would about as well as Woodward if he were to be promoted right now. (Of course, Lawrie is going to improve - I'm talking about right this minute.) And how can batters learn to make adjustments, learn to hit tough pitches, and otherwise learn how to succeed at the major league level if they can clobber anything pitchers throw at them? Can the Jays apologize to whoever runs the Syracuse Chiefs, or whatever they call themselves now, and ask to be taken back?

At present, the Jays have the choice of forcing their hitters to take their lumps at the big league level or sending them back to a hitter-happy environment that might reinforce their bad habits. Neither option seems good.

What I would want to know about Snider, et al., is whether they have weaknesses that major league pitchers can consistently exploit. Before he was sent out, Snider was flailing at a lot of breaking pitches (I believe low and away). He's going to have to learn how to hit that pitch - or at least fight it off - or his career path will resemble that of Josh Phelps.

And I don't think I need to say this in this forum, since you all already know, but: please go see Jose Bautista play baseball, either live or on television, as much as you can. What's happening now is something very special - you may not see it ever again.

Anders - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#234739) #
This does mean, I fear, that the farmhands might not be as much help as we hope. If Chris Woodward is hitting .329 in Vegas, and Lawrie is hitting .331, we probably should assume that Lawrie would about as well as Woodward if he were to be promoted right now. (Of course, Lawrie is going to improve - I'm talking about right this minute.)

This is sort of like saying that because Carl Crawford is hitting .218 and Juan Rivera is hitting .216, we should expect Rivera to hit as well as Crawford in the immediate future.
uglyone - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#234740) #
Crawford (29): 5134ab, .294avg, .335obp, .440slg, .775ops, 106ops+
J.Rivera (32): 2804ab, .277avg, .328obp, .454slg, .782ops, 105ops+
Dave Till - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#234741) #
This is sort of like saying that because Carl Crawford is hitting .218 and Juan Rivera is hitting .216, we should expect Rivera to hit as well as Crawford in the immediate future.

If Woodward and Lawrie were the only players who were hitting at that level, I would concede your point: I would agree that Woodward's numbers are a fluke, and Lawrie is the real deal. But the 51s have seven players who have appeared in 13 or more games who are batting at least .325.

Or, to put it another way: Dewayne Wise is batting .339.
ComebyDeanChance - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#234742) #
Mel Queen has died at 69.
John Northey - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#234743) #
I'm surprised that Vegas (and other PCL teams) don't put a humidor in place, or at least adjust the ball in some fashion to make it less of a hitters paradise. The majors has had dead ball/live ball eras where the ball itself had a major effect on scoring. One would think it wouldn't be _that_ hard to do it on purpose in the PCL.
Anders - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#234744) #
If Woodward and Lawrie were the only players who were hitting at that level, I would concede your point: I would agree that Woodward's numbers are a fluke, and Lawrie is the real deal. But the 51s have seven players who have appeared in 13 or more games who are batting at least .325.

Or, to put it another way: Dewayne Wise is batting .339.

First of all, bonus points to uglyone. Second, batting average is not especially instructive, and Woodward's 81 at bats less so. He had an OPS of below .700 in Tacoma last year in a full season, though their stats don't seem to be as inflated as in Las Vegas. The general point, that the numbers in Las Vegas are supremely inflated, is a valid one, and I think everyone would agree on that. However it does not follow that because two players are hitting the same in Las Vegas, they will hit the same in the majors.  A better comparison than Rivera/Crawford would be Arencibia/Lubanski - JP hit .301 last year, Chris .293. Arencibia is now hitting well in the majors, while as far as I can tell Lubanski is out of baseball.
92-93 - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#234746) #

What Dave Till said about Bautista really can't be emphasized enough. The guy has missed over a fifth of his team's games so far and still has a 0.6 lead in WAR over #2, Joey Votto. He leads MLB in WPA too. Heck, if you looked at his 2011 WAR per game and compared it to Barry Bonds' best season, Joey Bats wins again. What we've seen from Jose Bautista over the last 6 weeks (and dating back to the end of 2010) has to be one of the greatest all around performances in MLB history.

mathesond - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#234747) #
"Mel Queen has died at 69."

RIP Mel. I'm glad you were around to see the fruits of your work with Roy Halladay
John Northey - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#234748) #
If Bautista can keep hitting anything like this all year then I'd say AA is executive of the year for just 2 deals. Dumping Wells (now at 183/224/303) and signing Bautista long term (now at 350/515/760).

Sheesh - Bautista's batting average is higher than Wells slugging. Wow.
hypobole - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#234749) #
With Vegas, the biggest hitter advantage is the sunbaked infield in the summer, which shouldn't have come into play yet. Look at Slugging - Woodward Home .444, Road .750, Thames Home .562, Road .645, Lawrie Home .524, Road .638. Cooper and Snider are about equal. Loewen has hit 5 of his 6 HR's at home, but is hitting only .234 at home vs .300 away.
John Northey - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#234750) #
Y'know, my offseason attempt to find a comparison for Bautista and only coming up with Sammy Sosa when he shifted from a 100 OPS guy to a monster is looking more and more like a really, really good comparison. Lets just hope we don't get as sad a few years later as Cubs fans did.
John Northey - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#234751) #
FYI: for those who don't remember.

Age 28:
Sosa: 99 OPS+
Bautista: 99 OPS+

Age 29:
Sosa: 160 OPS+ (66 HR - 26 more than previous best)
Bautista: 166 OPS+ (54 HR - 38 more than previous best)

Age 30:
Sosa: 151 OPS+
Bautista: 254 OPS+

Age 31-33:
Sosa: 161/203/160 OPS+
Bautista: ???

Age 34-36:
Sosa: 133/113/78 OPS+
Bautista: ???

Interesting eh?
Thomas - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#234752) #
Lubanski is out of baseball

Lubanski is out of affiliated baseball, but he is still playing. On May 3, he signed with the Chico Outlaws of the North American Baseball League as a player-coach.

hypobole - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#234753) #

Lets just hope we don't get as sad a few years later as Cubs fans did.

Jose hasn't bulked up the way Sosa did.  Haven't seen anything other than splinter fly when Jose's bats break.  There is nothing to suggest one is like the other besides the stats. It's just that Sosa did artificially what Jose has done through hard work and good coaching.

Jonny German - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#234754) #
While Sosa is likely as good a comp as can be found for Bautista, the numbers quoted conveniently ignore the fact that Sosa's age 28 season was very much an off year for him. Sosa had 3 season of 100+ games with OPS+ above 120 before his "breakout" season.
uglyone - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#234756) #
I always thought our AL East neighbours in Boston had a couple of better comparables (not perfect, but better):


Youkilis:

25: 99ops+
26: 113ops+
27: 106ops+
28: 117ops+
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29: 143ops+
30: 145ops+
31: 157ops+
32: 133ops+

Ortiz:

21: 107ops+
22: 111ops+
23: -43ops+
24: 101ops+
25: 106ops+
26: 120ops+
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27: 144ops+
28: 145ops+
29: 158ops+
30: 161ops+
31: 171ops+
32: 123ops+
33: 101ops+
34: 137ops+
35: 134ops+
cybercavalier - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#234757) #
I agree with Northey's assessment of the minor leagues:

Catcher: only 3 guys over 700 for OPS in the minors, A.J. Jimenez (A+) the best at 356/398/505 the others in low-A


As a reminder, former Jays Erik Kratz is holding on at Phillies AAA: .246/.386/.509, by far his best season in AAA. While approaching age 31 in June, he is 10 months younger than Budde. I think Kratz was known for his work as a catcher, not for his bat; will he have a chance to replace Jose Molina next season, assuming they still want to develop Jeroloman in AAA in some city not Vegas ?

On May 3, he signed with the Chico Outlaws of the North American Baseball League as a player-coach.

Lubanski's profile on Chico's website.
cybercavalier - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#234759) #
And in support of Thomas' point, Daniel Nava played for Chico in 2004 at age 24. Lubanski is more than 2 years younger than Nava even though the two players are different in batting and especially in way better plate discipline in Nava. At age 26, I wouldn't just give up on Lubanski yet: at least he played in AAA for seasons.
John Northey - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#234762) #
True Jonny, Sosa did have some good years earlier (thus was making $10 mil a year iirc) but for hitting the ages dead on you can't look closer eh? Both just below league average at 28 then both hitting 160 OPS+'s with high HR numbers at 29 then holding on past that.

I think the major differences in how it was reached are

1) Sosa: showed ability to hit in majors earlier, but was willing to do anything legal or not to move up (see corked bat plus various drug rumours)

2) Bautista: scouts felt could hit but just wouldn't listen to coaches thus was viewed as a utility guy. Finally found a coach who he respected enough to listen to and the rest is history.

One wonders how different the Pirates would be if they spent money on good coaches/scouts/etc. instead of pinching pennies on those over the years and blowing it on the Derek Bell's of the world.
scottt - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#234768) #
Lind is back... at DH.

So, of course, today's first baseman will be ... Juan Rivera





Alex Obal - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#234769) #
In terms of hitting style I always thought Paul Konerko was a good comp for Bautista, so I blindly guessed he'd likely chip in a couple of vintage in-his-prime Paulie seasons early in the contract. But not this...
ayjackson - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#234771) #
Lind is not in the lineup tonight.  Rivera is DH, EE is first base.
ayjackson - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#234772) #

Hoping to see some more moon shots from EE in Target Field.

Rivera`s in the four-hole, with his .529 OPS over the past 14 days.  Remember when he was heating up?  Or did I dream that?

ComebyDeanChance - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#234773) #
Lind is not in the lineup tonight. Rivera is DH, EE is first base.

That's not what mlb.com is showing, They have Lind at DH, Rivera at first, EE at third, Cooper and JMac sitting out.
scottt - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#234775) #

Toronto manager John Farrell said Lind felt a “pounding sensation” in the lower-left side of his back after taking ground balls and running the bases on Friday.

Farrell said that Lind remains day to day.

I would have thought he'd be spared any fielding in this series. Might as well just put on the DL now.



Mike Green - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 08:09 PM EDT (#234776) #
Did Cooper get sent down or something? Lind's unavailable and you are facing a RHP who has typical platoon splits, and your other options for 1B/DH are Encarnacion and Rivera, who are both ice cold. It's as if the gods of fate were whispering, "play Cooper" and Farrell was not listening.
greenfrog - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#234778) #
Rivera career against Pavano: 1000 OPS
EE career against Pavano: 1712 OPS

ergo, Cooper starts the game on the bench.
Mike Green - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#234779) #
Rivera went 4-7 against Pavano in 2004, and has gone 3-10 against him since.

So, does this mean that when a lefty who Rivera has had no luck against (Dallas Braden, Mark Buehrle, John Danks), we can expect to see Cooper in there instead?

Bah, humbug.
Alex Obal - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#234780) #
Congratulations to Brandon League for winning the Fausto Carmona Trophy for excellence over four consecutive games as a hard-throwing sinkerballer in a closing role. 4 games, 4 losses, 3 blown saves, -2.86 WPA. Impressive.

I'm starting to believe in Cleveland...
Mike Green - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#234781) #
Back-to-back HBPs (well actually both were off the thigh if you want to pick nits) did him in last night. Tonight, it was double, double, ground ball, ground ball, homer. If you're going to go down, go down in flames, I say.
scottt - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#234782) #
In the end, Romero still gets next to nothing in run support.
greenfrog - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#234783) #
What in tarnation are the Jays doing when they have a runner on 3rd with less than two out? They keep trying all this weird stuff - can't they just bring home the runner the way other teams do it? Why does Farrell keep going back to the low-percentage play?

On the flip side, Romero looks freaking awesome out there.
dan gordon - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#234784) #

So they had EE and Rivera in the lineup instead of Cooper because of these silly batter/pitcher numbers in very small sample sizes?  Well. how did it work out?  EE and Rivera were a combined 1 for 6 and the 1 hit was a single.  Why doesn't somebody check these things out and show that IT DOESN'T WORK?  In this case, you're not exactly benching a star, but still, you'd think you'd want the lefty in there. 

What happened on the botched squeeze?  Did EE miss the squeeze sign, or did Escobar see a sign that wasn't given?  Patterson continues to amaze me on the bases.  On the play where he scored, he almost stopped at 3B as he was trying to turn to go home.

greenfrog - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#234785) #
Actually, EE and Rivera were 4 for 10, and Rivera had the go-ahead RBI. But your point about small sample sizes is well taken.
scottt - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#234786) #
Actually, the Rivera hit was against Hoey whom he never faced before.

Might have been better to keep Rivera on the bench and use him to pinch for Patterson against a lefty.

dan gordon - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#234787) #

Actually, EE and Rivera were 4 for 10

Actually, you are missing the point.  I am seeing how these guys did against Pavano. As I said, Rivera and EE were 1 for 6.  The only hit they got vs Pavano was a single by EE.  My point is this nonsense about guys being in the lineup against a pitcher because they have hit him well, and should therefore hit him well again, is, well, nonsense.  The 4 for 10 was for the whole game, and is irrelevant to the discussion.

greenfrog - Friday, May 13 2011 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#234788) #
Actually, the flaw in your argument is using a tiny sample size (6 PA) to disprove the hypothesis that a larger sample size (30 PA) is relevant. I'm not saying that 30 PA tells Farrell a great deal, but I think it's reasonable for a manager to take into consideration, among other factors. In any case, the outcome of EE and Rivera's plate appearances against Pavano tonight certainly doesn't resolve the issue.
TamRa - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#234789) #
This does mean, I fear, that the farmhands might not be as much help as we hope. If Chris Woodward is hitting .329 in Vegas, and Lawrie is hitting .331, we probably should assume that Lawrie would about as well as Woodward if he were to be promoted right now. (Of course, Lawrie is going to improve - I'm talking about right this minute.)

the crucial missing factor is age.

Here are the top 18 eligible hitters by OPS in the PCL, (before tonight) with their ages:

WM Pena - 1.205 - 29 years, 3 months
Brian LaHair - 1.201 - 28.5
Anthony Rizzo - 1.189 - 21.9
Jai Miller - 1.129 - 26.4
Josh Fields - 1.121 - 28.6
Eric Hosmer - 1.107 -  21.7
Jeff Baisley - 1.084 - 28.6
Cole Gillespie - 1.042 - 26.11
Lou Montanez - 1.025 - 29.6
Eric Thames - 1.016 -  24.6
Clint Robinson - 1.006 - 26.3
Trent Oitejen - .999 - 28.3
Jamie Hoffmann - .999 - 26.9
Trayvon Robinson - .987 - 23.8
Jemile Weeks - .969 - 24.4
Anthony Recker - .963 - 27.8
Charlie Blackmon - .958 - 24.10
Brett Lawrie - .949 - 21.4


I bolded everyone here under 25, italics for those not yet 23 - notice who the youngest player on the list is?

Eliminate all the bums older than 27, there's a reason they are at the top of the list, and you get this:

Anthony Rizzo - 1.189 - 21.9
Jai Miller - 1.129 - 26.4
Eric Hosmer - 1.107 -  21.7
Cole Gillespie - 1.042 - 26.11
Eric Thames - 1.016 -  24.6
Clint Robinson - 1.006 - 26.3
Jamie Hoffmann - .999 - 26.9
Trayvon Robinson - .987 - 23.8
Jemile Weeks - .969 - 24.4
Anthony Recker - .963 - 27.8
Charlie Blackmon - .958 - 24.10
Brett Lawrie - .949 - 21.4

That's two of the six prospect-age leaders. And one of the other 4 is already in the majors.
rpriske - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 12:18 AM EDT (#234790) #
That makes 10 Friday victories in a row.

I'm just sayin'...
Mylegacy - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 01:14 AM EDT (#234791) #
Tonight was the first game of 20 straight games without a day off - 8 (including tonight's) on the road and 12 at home. Once this five game road trip is over we'll have 12 at home and 3 on the road. IF - we're going to make a move, this is a good time for it.

Romero has stepped forward and drawn a line in the sand. Lets hope the other starters cross over it with him. By our next off day - June 2nd - we'll know much more about where this team is heading. By late June: EE at first, Rivera in LF and JMac at third might all be memories. Lind should be solidly back at 1st, Thames or Snider solidly in LF and Lawrie at 3rd with Cooper at DH. Younger - and better. Just like our future.

dan gordon - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 01:25 AM EDT (#234792) #

Actually the flaw in your argument is using a tiny sample size to disprove the hypothesis

Actually, that's not what I'm doingI've mentioned a few times that somebody should do a study to show that these lineup decisions based on small sample sizes are invalid.  The 6 AB's tonight are just one example of the falacious nature of the arguement that lineup decisions should include such small sample sizes of previous hitter/pitcher results.  With the number of different pitchers a hitter faces over the course of his career, random fluctuations in performance are bound to occur.  Thinking that a hitter is going to do well vs a pitcher because he has had good results against him in 10 or 20 or 30 AB's is, I strongly suspect, utterly meaningless, and yet teams continue to make lineup decisions based on this.  i would love to see a proper statistical study done on this, and it amazes me that no team has ever done it. 

smcs - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 02:51 AM EDT (#234793) #
I'm assuming such a study would come back with results based on a sample that was too small to draw any substantial conclusions: "good hitters are better than bad hitters, and hitters are better against bad pitchers than good pitchers."

Baseball, in general, I think, relies on past experience quite a bit. Lineups are determined in much the same manner now as they have always been determined, stats and studies be damned. Personally, I'd have put Bautista in the lead-off spot with Lind right behind him. If no other batter can avoid outs at anything other than a mediocre rate, why not maximize the number of plate-appearances for your best hitter?
Chuck - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 07:58 AM EDT (#234795) #

i would love to see a proper statistical study done on this, and it amazes me that no team has ever done it

Many teams now employ analysts from the world of sabermetrics. Any studies they underwrite would be proprietary and not  be available to the public. Who's to know what studies teams have done? 

scottt - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 08:36 AM EDT (#234796) #
Personally, I'd have put Bautista in the lead-off spot with Lind right behind him.

There's many reasons not too.

Tradition says you bat your best hitter 3rd.
Bautista is excelling there, so you don't fiddle with what works.
He probably likes hitting 3rd. Hitting 3rd is a form of recognition.
He might benefits from watching the first 2 at bats.
That would give him just 1 or 2 extra AB per week.
You still want to put somebody on base for him, you don't do that by batting him behind the 2 worse bats.
A solo homerun with no outs is not better than a solo homerun with 2 outs.

The team needs to hit more sac fly. Especially with the infield in.

Hopefully good things happen because of the Minnesota bullpen overwork.

rpriske - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 08:41 AM EDT (#234797) #
Have you read 'The Book'? The tradition to put your best hitter in the 3 spot is just a bad idea. The most important spots in the line-up, statistically, are the 1, 2 and 4 spots.

From memory, one of the reasons the 3 spot is overrated is that it is the spot in the lineup that comes up with 2-out and nobody on more than any other spot in the order. In other words you are giving your best hitter the lowest leveraged situations.

There is more to it than that of course. I highly recommend reading it.
rpriske - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 08:51 AM EDT (#234798) #
I just ran the numbers through the Baseball Musings Lineup Analysis and smcs is absolutely right!

If you use the stats in the table above (with the caveat that historical data is no guaranteed predictor of future results) the best line-up the Jays can field is this:

Jose Bautista - RF
Adam Lind - 1B
Jose Molina - DH
J.P. Arencibia - C
Jayson Nix - 2B
Edwin Encarnacion - 3B
Carey Patterson - CF
John McDonald - LF
Yunel Escobar - SS

What does it say about the performance of the OF that the BEST lineup we can field has Molina as DH, Johnny Mac in LF and David, Rivera, Snider (and Hill) riding the pine?

Of course of Farrell actually put that lineup out there, there would be a revolt but using the stats so far, this would maximize runs (at an average of 4.993 per game)
rpriske - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 08:55 AM EDT (#234799) #
Sorry... runs per game is wrong. 4.993 is the average runs this line-up can score with a random order. This order maximizes them at 5.531 runs per game. (So you can see EXACTLY how important the batting order is - 0.538 runs per game.)
rpriske - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 08:58 AM EDT (#234800) #
Just for kicks... do you want to minimize the production from the same players?

This gets you 4.797 runs per game:

Encarnacion
McDonald
Arencibia
Escobar
Patterson
Nix
Molina
Bautista
Lind
scottt - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 10:05 AM EDT (#234802) #
Have you read 'The Book'? The tradition to put your best hitter in the 3 spot is just a bad idea. The most important spots in the line-up, statistically, are the 1, 2 and 4 spots.

In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they're different.

Are there any stats about teams that bats their best hitters 1 and 2? I'm guessing no, because nobody does that. The Rays lead the division and they hit Fuld first.

Like I said, if the 3rd hitter takes advantage of the first 2 AB to see what the pitcher is doing and getting his timing right, he won't do as well hitting first.

You can't really on statistics unless you have a model that backs the stats. Hitters performance are not purely random events.
Independently of all other factors, a hitter's performance will vary according to where he hits in a lineup, among other things.

The most important part of a theorem is it's condition of validity. Those stats are not valid.




Mike Green - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#234808) #
Can we recap Juan Rivera's career? He is now 32 years old, and he has had 3 pretty good seasons for a corner outfielder. One at age 25 (426 PAs, .307/.364/.465), another at age 27 (494 PAs, .310/.362/.525) and a third at age 30 (572 PAs, .287/.332/.478). The rest of his career has been below-average performance for a corner outfielder.

He now has 132 pretty stinky PAs in 2011. Do you really need to play him almost every day?
ayjackson - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#234812) #
Can those good seasons be isolated from his injury history?  There`s some missing context there.  When healthy, has he been good?  There`s been a suggestion that he`s always been a slow starter.  But I agree, we could definitely move him aside for Thames or Snider at this point.
Mike Green - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#234814) #
It is true; they can't be isolated from his injury history. The point is that if a player has managed only one 500+ PA pretty good season through age 31, you wouldn't want to anticipate healthier, better performance afterwards. The resemblance between Juan Rivera and Paul Molitor is, shall we say, faint.
adrianveidt - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 11:26 AM EDT (#234815) #
Can someone explain to me why baseball teams continue to pitch to Jose Bautista?

With nobody hitting behind him, or indeed, anywhere else in the lineup, wouldn't it make more sense to walk him every time and pitch to whomever is hitting behind him?

His OBP is already something like .999, so why bother giving him a chance to hit one of those towering shots to left field, like, uh, he did last night?

Maybe it wouldn't work so well later in the season with Lind, and perhaps Snider and Lawrie if things break in the Jays' favour, but it sure as hell makes sense to me now. They don't have any MLB quality hitters in the lineup right now other than the best player in baseball.
Powder Blues - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#234816) #
Mike

Hitting wise, those three career best seasons are better than "pretty good".

Only 9 LFs have averaged .842 OPS or better over the last three years, including stars like Holliday, Braun, Dunn, ManRam and CarGo.
Powder Blues - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#234817) #
Adrian, you'll notice that Bautista has 12 HRs and like 21 RBI. Pitchers have already stopped pitching to him with men on base.

Also, his pace of like 200+ walks tells you they are avoiding him at historical rates.
Mike Green - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#234818) #
Powder Blues, OPS is a rough estimator which overvalues slugging in relation to OBP. wOBA is better; Rivera's top three seasonal wOBAs are .373, .356 and .348. Here are the 2010 left-fielders sorted by wOBA:

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=lf&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2010&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0

As you can see, .360 is a pretty good number but not better than that.
Powder Blues - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#234819) #
Mike, you're right about OPS. It was just the quickest way to demonstrate what I thought. An average OBP of .352 in those 3 seasons is not poor, however.
rpriske - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#234820) #
scottt, you are right that you can't apply the model directly, due to players' inability to adjust their thinking, imo.

HOWEVER, you CAN get rid of the '3rd is best' attitude. It is just plain wrong and continuing to perpetuate it because a player might like the IDEA of hitting there is doing a disservice to the team. Get Bautista out of the 2 spot. Put him 2nd (preferably) or 4th and explain to him why.

He'll come around when he sees his RBI totals increase...
China fan - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#234822) #

I know the Bauxites generally have a good opinion of Gregg Zaun's baseball analysis, but will they have as high an opinion of him when they read his quotes in today's National Post on the subject of our earlier-discussed question of "pitching for the win"?   Zaun says he would have voted for Sabathia for the Cy Young last year, not Hernandez, and here is his explanation:

“I’m a big fan of won-loss record.... You can point to ERA … but there’s a lot of guys whose numbers are half a run higher or a run higher, and they seem to get the wins. They pitch well when it counts. In my experience, the guys with a low ERA but a bad win-loss record don’t pitch well when they absolutely have to.”

I'm anticipating some scathing reactions from Chuck and others....

ayjackson - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 01:29 PM EDT (#234823) #
I`ll get some popcorn.
cybercavalier - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#234824) #
This gets you 4.797 runs per game [...] Get Bautista out of the 2 spot. Put him 2nd (preferably) or 4th and explain to him why. He'll come around when he sees his RBI totals increase...

Escobar
Bautista
Davis
Lind
Patterson
Arencibia
EE
Hill
Rivera


This lineup produces 5.029 runs per game.
BlueJayWay - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#234825) #
Well, the thing with players is, they're very good if you want to get a grass-roots look at things; in detail and up close.  Players are good sources if you want to know how to hit a breaking ball, or time a guy's pickoff move, or how to negotiate clubhouse politics, etc.  They're the obvious experts at that.  But when it comes to stepping back and seeing the game in a larger context, they're often no better than anyone else.  So you get that stuff that Zaun said. 

I'm still trying to figure out why in sports - not just baseball - there is such an emphasis on intangibles like "courage" and "just knows how to win" and "leadership" instead of talent and skill.  Everything gets turned into some kind of psychological battle of wills.
electric carrot - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#234826) #
My opinion about Zaun is that he is more interesting to listen to than Ashby.  Ashby isn't bad -- I like his analysis and he sees things in the game that I don't see.  My problem is that he's kind of uptight and so righteous -- I often feel like I'm a 5-year-old getting a lecture when he starts getting into it.  Even the way he raises the pitch of his voice at the end of his sentences while doing play-by-play sounds weird and condescending to me. In other words, everything he says is interesting and thoughtful -- I just wish he'd drink a beer or something and loosen up a little.  While Zaun's analysis doesn't seem quite as sharp all the time -- I still think it's good -- and I feel like he's talking to you man-to-man and he's not being prissy about the details.  It sort of feels like even Zaun has no idea what he's going to say next -- he's just lettin-her-rip.  For me it's way more fun and it feels more unvarnished and authentic.  I don't always agree -- but that's fun too.
greenfrog - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#234827) #
electric carrot: nicely put.

It's funny - one thing I liked about Ashby (AA) vis-a-vis Howarth on the Fan 590 was that Ashby wasn't afraid to be a bit critical or opinionated here and there, whereas Howarth (whom I respect as a broadcaster) always played things a bit safe and sunny side up. Plus, Ashby could make observations from the perspective of a former player. I like Zaun too, for the reasons you mentioned. But sometimes he gets a bit carried away (as when he was raving about Nix's compact swing earlier in the season on Sportsnet) - which isn't a bad thing, it just has to be balanced with some more considered analysis.

All these AA's in the organization. Soon we'll have AA interviewing AA on up-and-coming prospects in AA ball. God forbid anyone develops substance abuse issues and ends up in AA. It's enough to make you long for the days of JP talking about JP's potential behind the plate.
Chuck - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#234829) #

I'm anticipating some scathing reactions from Chuck and others....

As Magpie pointed out, Zaun's stance is not unusual for a player. It's not enough that W-L record has to reflect ability. Apparently it also has to reflect character. Given that athletes see themselves as warriors, I suppose his point of view is an inevitable by-product. The war metaphor gets a good and thorough workout.

In his current book, Bill James has stepped back from his stance that deviations in actual W-L from the expected are due entirely to run support. In contrasting the careers of Mike Morgan and John Burkett (and others), he comes around to the position that some pitchers do rise to the occasion and win more than they should, and some do the opposite. He has developed new techniques for measuring these effects.

All that said, when comparing Hernandez and Sabathia, you have to start with run support: 3.75 for Hernandez, 7.31 for Sabathia. The enormity of this gulf cannot be nickled and dimed away with the consideration of other factors, like ability to pitch to the score. Give Hernandez the 7.31 and just watch what a character individual he is, winning 20+ games.

Like many ex-players, Zaun's micro analysis is terrific and his macro analysis not so terrific. He is a keen observer of aspects of game play and can well articulate his observations, educating the viewers. I'm sure I will continue enjoying that aspect of his commentary. When Zaun weighs in with broader analysis, however, I find myself often disagreeing with him. This is disappointing, but not surprising.

scottt - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#234830) #
Can we recap Juan Rivera's career?

He's a good contact hitter. In 2009 he managed only 1 strike out per 10 plate appearances which is good. He doesn't hit for average, probably because he doesn't have much speed, which also undermines his defense.  Over 162 games, he averages 22 homeruns. He's also a notorious slow starter. His 2007 peripherals are in line with his career number, so his OPS should eventually climb to .800 during the rest of the year.



cybercavalier - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#234831) #
The following lineup shall produce 4.576 runs:

Escobar, Bautista, Hill, Arencibia, Patterson, Davis, McDonald, Cooper, Rivera.

Powder Blues - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#234833) #
I have conflicting opinions on the clutch/leader/gamer debate.

Each person feels anxiety/pressure. Each person also reacts differently to anxiety/pressure. In normal life, we humans can be anxious about speaking in front of crowds, which is common, or we can even be anxious about stepping onto the subway or speaking to strangers. This isn't rocket science, and I'm not enlightening anyone. My point is simply that sport is no different. To assume that athletes are robots and will act/react equally in all situations is false.

Now, it stands to reason that pro sports magnifies the pressure on individuals (playing in front of a crowd, media spotlight, short careers, potential earnings, etc), and those that cannot deal with the increased pressure will often inexplicably fail.
Ex: Grienke, Votto, and perhaps Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, Rick Ankiel, Steve Blass etc. There's also a long list of closers who have burned out.

Pitching deep into a close game is naturally a higher anxiety situation, and pitchers who can remain calm will  perform better. I don't think people have some kind of hidden "clutch" ability - rather, it's likely a combination of concentration, focus, breathing, and execution. We simply use words like "clutch" because anxiety/jitters/fear are taboo subjects in society as a whole.

Slightly inferior pitchers who keep a cooler head in key situations might* win more games over the long haul than a more gifted pitcher who easily gets rattled. This seems logical. 

Now as for the Cy Young issue... to point to wins as the major deciding factor in a Cy Young race when other factors were more obviously at play (run support anyone?) is irresponsible of Zaun. Felix's FIP and xFIP, as well as other peripheral stats, remained constant throughout the game (see link).

To say that Felix wasn't "clutch", and therefore does not deserve the award, is beyond lazy and borders on stupid.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits.aspx?playerid=4772&position=P&season=2010

scottt - Saturday, May 14 2011 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#234834) #
And here's reality.

Escobar (OBP .351)
Patterson (OBP .310)
Bautista
Rivera (AVG .224 OBP .318 SLG .293)
Hill (.226 .261 .274)
Arencibia (.220 .297 .450)
Cooper
McDonald
Davis (.241 .268 .304)

Looks like Cooper and EE are platooning at first for now.

Ideally, Arencibia would hit higher, but I suppose they want to keep the pressure off him.
They're keeping expectation low with Cooper.
Playing Davis at the bottom makes sense considering his low OBP. Just expect to see more squeezes.
Nix should take over a 3B in a week.

Obviously, having a producing Lind between Bautista and Rivera would make a big difference.
Lind remains day to day until Monday where he could go on the DL, but I don't expect that to happen until Nix is ready.

If EE could play 3B, they could call up Jeroloman and use Arancibia at DH.



bpoz - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 08:31 AM EDT (#234843) #
AY, Popcorn is good & maybe a drink.

Winners & Clutch.... Michael Jordan & Sonny Wade (Alouttes) IMO for examples.

A 4 game winning streak...maybe I should not talk about it...wait until/if we lose.

I like J Mac at 3rd. The really bad defense at 3rd has cost us far as I can see 1) Possible wins 2) Definitely in putting more pressure on the pitcher.
Could it be a reason for our SPs not going deeper into games?
When we face a very good pitcher, they say (often) that it will be low scoring. So would you gamble/strategise that it is better to have weak hitting & strong D at 3rd because you probably won't score anyway OR the better hitting option that also has consistent poor D. Just wondering, but I prefer J Mac.
Mike Green - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#234847) #
With a Morrow-Duensing matchup today, the club has a decent chance to reach the quarter-pole of the season at .500. There would be no reason to complain about that, what with the injuries and the talent in Las Vegas ready to make a contribution.
ayjackson - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#234849) #

It`s been a tough schedule so far too.

China fan - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 09:55 AM EDT (#234851) #
In the short term, the return of Lind and Nix tomorrow should make a difference.  Hard to believe, but Nix has the 3rd-highest OPS on the team, although that's probably unsustainable in the long term.
ayjackson - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#234854) #

Mac, Molina, Patterson and Nix would be a pretty good bench.  Pop and speed from both sides of the plate.

If we were to call up Nix and Thames right now, and set Rivera and a reliever free, we`d have a pretty good squad.  Lawrie could replace EE, in due course - and Snider, Cooper.

Chuck - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#234855) #
What's the roster move that makes room for Nix? Not Cooper?
ayjackson - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 11:25 AM EDT (#234856) #
What's the roster move that makes room for Nix? Not Cooper?   No - in my scenario, moving from an 8 man pen to a 7 man pen makes room for Nix.  Cooper`s DH until Lawrie relieves EE at third.
China fan - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#234857) #

Cooper should go down to make room for Nix, even though I like Cooper's potential and I've seen some positive things from him in his major-league debut.  Nix should be the starting 3B, with EE becoming the full-time DH.  Cooper should compete for the 1B/DH slot in 2012, when EE is probably gone.

I don't think the Jays should demote a reliever at this point -- not until the starters are getting into the 7th or 8th inning more regularly.  I might be in the minority on this one, but I think the 8-man bullpen has helped the Jays a lot in the past few weeks.  The Jays have 8 good relievers (if you include Dotel), and the bullpen depth has helped enormously in situations like yesterday.  Despite all the relievers that were used yesterday, the Jays still have several relievers available for today, because of their depth.  And there have been many other cases where the 8-man bullpen has helped the Jays win.

As for Eric Thames:  there's a good case to be made that he should be promoted at some point this year.  But I wouldn't make him a full-time starter ahead of Patterson or Davis at this point.  For all his base-running faults, Patterson is hitting pretty well.  As for Davis -- he defeated the Red Sox practically single-handedly in two games last week.

scottt - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#234860) #
Nix is likely ready Monday. Lind?  I have no idea, so I'll say 50%.

If LInd is not ready, he could go on the DL retroactively and that would free a spot for Nix.

scottt - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#234861) #
For those who doubt the psychological aspect of the batting order, just look at Posada who refused to play yesterday when he saw that he was batting 9th.

"I told him (Girardi) I couldn't play today, and that I needed time to clear my head, and that was it."

There are worst things than hitting 9th for the Yankees at $13 million a year.

Mike Green - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#234864) #
I was getting worried after that the first inning at-bat that Bautista had gone cold...
AWeb - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#234865) #
So...this has been an impressive display, to say the least.  $64 million dollar contract, trying to make up all of that value by the all-star break. At this point, we can say Bautista has to regress from the performance this year because it's unlkely he's actually the greatest hitter in the history of baseball and possibly the universe.

 With offense way down across the league, before today's performance, he was already having arguably the best hitting year, ever. Good thing for the league he missed 8 games...this is crazy. So this is what Giants fans got to watch for all those years. Madness.

7 homers in 7 games in Minnesota - I saw something posted after the second homer that Morneau and Mauer have 5  HRs combined in that park.



braden - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#234866) #
Five at-bats ago, Bautista had 12 HRs and everyone was over the moon about the season he was having.

That was quaint.

braden - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#234867) #
Here's another fun one:

Bautista's last five at-bats would have him tied for the team lead in HR for the Twins.

Ron - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#234868) #
Bautista took the words out of my mouth in his post-game interview when he said "I just can't explain it".  With each passing day, I'm starting to think last season wasn't a fluke. We're still dealing with a small sample size for this season, but I feel comfortable saying he will be heading to the all-star game.
Chuck - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:06 PM EDT (#234869) #

I feel comfortable saying he will be heading to the all-star game.

Whoa! Careful there out on that limb.

China fan - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#234870) #
Bautista has hit an average of one HR every two games this year.  He could play as many as 154 games this year, so he is on pace for 77 home runs.  Barry who?
China fan - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#234871) #
After 40 games of his record-setting 2001 season, Bonds had ...  16 home runs.
China fan - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#234872) #
(By which I mean:  after his team's 40th game of the season in 2001, Bonds had 16 home runs.  He personally had played in 37 of those 40 games.  So, by that reckoning, Bautista reached the 16-homer level in 5 fewer games than Bonds needed in his record-setting year.)
electric carrot - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#234873) #
Here's my theory on what's happening.  Up in the heavens Sept. 2009:

ZEUS:  Best player ever was Babe Ruth

POSEIDON:  Nope -- it's got to be Barry Bonds, Ruth wouldn't catch up to modern day fastballs

ZEUS:  Only one way to know for sure.  Who's the least likely MLB player who we can give Ruth's abilities for a few years ...


Mike Green - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#234875) #
Well, if Zeus has decreed that Jose Bautista will run off a string of scoreless innings in the World Series, I'm down with that.

Chuck - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:49 PM EDT (#234876) #
Bautista hit as many homeruns on May 15 as Hill, Encarnacion, Snider and Rivera have hit combined by May 15.

He needed 5 AB. They needed 400.
92-93 - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#234878) #
Jose Bautista's SLG is better than the OPS of Pujols, ARod, Howard, Wright, Youkilis, Cano, Tulowitzki, Hanley, etc.
Jonny German - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 06:37 PM EDT (#234879) #
Joey Bats leads the league in runs scored at 34. He trails his teammates in the category of "Driving in Jose Bautista" 16 to 18.
smcs - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#234880) #
Jose Bautista sleeps 8 hours a night.

I guess he is pretty normal in that respect.

Magpie - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#234883) #
I confidently wrote last September that I would be shocked if Bautista didn't hit 110 HRs over the next three years.

To which Jose is saying "Three years? You think I'll need three? Oh, ye of little faith..."

My bad.
scottt - Sunday, May 15 2011 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#234891) #
Nix up, Cooper down.

The amazing thing is that anybody could have made an offer for Bautista last year and the asking price would have been a bargain.


Anders - Monday, May 16 2011 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#234914) #
I almost entirely don't subscribe to this theory, but at the moment 1 WAR is valued at $4.5-5 mil. Bautista has 3.9 WAR 1/4 of the way through the season, producing $17.6 million in "value." So, there's a possibility he could pay for his contract by himself this year.
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