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Mariano Rivera falls victim to Toronto's mystique and aura, and the Jays notch their second walkoff of the season.


Jays 6, Yankees 5, before a fairly impressive-looking crowd of 25250. No lead is safe at the Dome. The Jays threw together a two-run rally off Mariano Rivera, punctuated by a game-tying John McDonald safety squeeze. The next inning, ice-cold Travis Snider, who entered the inning 0/5 with three strikeouts, was the walkoff hero with a two-out double off Ivan Nova that scored Edwin Encarnacion. Hopefully this will loosen Snider up a bit. Encarnacion is on a roll – he went 3/5.

Kyle Drabek pitched 5.1 innings and allowed four runs. He wasn't fooling many hitters, but he fought his way through five decent innings before Mark Teixeira touched him for a two-run homer. After four starts, Drabek has a 3.00 ERA. He's averaging exactly 6 innings a start, and he's faced 101 batters, struck out 19 and walked 15. On paper he's faced one good lineup (New York), two decent ones (Minnesota and Anaheim), and one bad one (Seattle). Any thoughts on where Drabek stands and what we can expect from him the rest of the way?

Tonight, Brett Cecil will try to build on his effort in Boston last week. His counterpart will be portly veteran Bartolo Colon, making his first start of the year. Colon has pitched 11.1 strong innings cleaning up Phil Hughes' messes to earn a place in the Yankees' rotation. I figure Colon will probably be on a 90-pitch leash at most, which is inconvenient for the Yankees, whose four best relievers all pitched last night.

Ivan Nova pitched the tenth and took the loss. It's telling that Joe Girardi decided he'd rather hang a starting pitcher out to dry than throw Boone Logan, Hector Noesi or Lance Pendleton into the fire. You only have four guys in your bullpen capable of pitching extra innings? Okay then. (In all seriousness, Girardi says he went with Nova because he was the most experienced righthander available. Which basically means the same thing, except it allows for the possibility that Logan might be trustworthy against 8-9 hitters who aren't righthanded.) Running up Colon's pitch count will be a worthwhile goal tonight. It won't be easy – Colon will probably just pump fastballs on the outside corner, which is his usual MO. (Pencil Yunel Escobar in for a homer into the Yankees' bullpen.) Colon tends to throw more than 80% heaters, and since 2003, he's thrown 3.60 pitches per plate appearance, well below the usual league average of 3.8.

Cecil and Colon, 7:07, pick 'em.
20 April 2011: Wake Up the Echoes | 52 comments | Create New Account
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Jdog - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 09:00 AM EDT (#233148) #
I felt pretty confident about the game when I saw the Yankees were bringing in Ivan Nova. Bringing in a starter who has struggled up to this point in the season was a weird decision to me. With Boston losing to the A's yesterday was a good day. Lets hope we see the good Cecil today
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 09:21 AM EDT (#233149) #
Drabek leads the league in walks.  In his career, opponents have hit .281/.452/.438 leading off, but he's been killer with men on, and in particular, his walk rate is much, much lower.  Is it because he pitches better from the stretch, or because he doesn't have the right mind-set on the lead-off hitter (i.e. trusting his stuff and throwing strikes, and perhaps giving up a few more solo homers).  My money is with Yogi (1/2 of baseball is 90% mental), and that the problem is the latter.

It took Jim Palmer about 300 innings to get the hang of this, and maybe it will be the same for Drabek.  On the other hand, Palmer was young when he came to the majors and put it together at age 23.  I'll guess that Drabek struggles until July 1, but turns it on from there.

On another note, I expected Patterson to score from first on Encarnacion's double.  I couldn't tell from the camera angle whether he hesitated between first and second to see if the ball would be caught (there should have been no doubt that it would not). 

Magpie - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 09:32 AM EDT (#233150) #
[Patterson] hesitated between first and second to see if the ball would be caught

Yes, he did. Zaun (who hasn't hesitated to call out baserunning mistakes) stuck up for him on the broadcast, saying he had to see whether Gardner could run it down.
Chuck - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#233151) #

On another note, I expected Patterson to score from first on Encarnacion's double.  I couldn't tell from the camera angle whether he hesitated between first and second to see if the ball would be caught

There was much hesitation (as per replays shown this morning). He may have been presuming that the fleet-footed Gardner would turn a seemingly routine flyball into an out, unaware that Gardner had been playing so shallow. Or he may just be a very fast baserunner who does not have the greatest instincts. My vote is for the latter, especially given his checkered career where he has been unable to leverage what are not unsubstantial physical skills.

Anders - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#233155) #
On the Patterson front, I thought the more unforgivable moment was not trying - or being in a position - to score on the wild pitch/passed ball with the Jays down 4-3 in the 6th. For a few reasons. First of all, there are two outs, and Snider just took a pitch to make it 0-2. So the chance of him cashing in Patterson the old fashioned way wasn't great. Plus, Snider had/has looked terrible to that point. Furthermore, Chavez was playing 10-15 feet off second, and Patterson wasn't getting any sort of secondary lead on the throw, which bounced 10 feet away from Martin (I believe Tabler commented that he was actually breaking back towards the bag). A contrast would be Bautista, who scored easily in a similar situation in the 9th, albeit with the ball getting a few feet further away. It didn't matter in that case, as the Jays neeeded another run, but he had his head up.

Also, Patterson had a really terrible at bat  with the bases loaded in the 9th, though to be fair, it was Mariano Rivera.
Mick Doherty - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 11:10 AM EDT (#233160) #

With that headline, Alex, I was expecting at lease a token mention of Notre Dame somewhere!

Cheer,c heer for old Notre Dame
Wake up the echoes, calling her name ...

zeppelinkm - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#233162) #
I agree about not scoring from 3rd on the past ball being the more unforgivable mistake. With a proper secondary lead and his speed, he should have been able to score with relative ease. I was shocked when he didn't. It's like he assumes an outcome ahead of time. As for the Encarnation double, while he was indeed hesitating to see if Gardner would make the catch, Buck Martinez was saying that he should have been aware of where Gardner was playing before the ball was hit. Such preparation would have allowed him to see easily that the ball was going to drop in, so said Buck. I tend to agree.

All in all, Corey Patterson did not look good on the basepaths last night.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#233165) #
I thought it was a bad no-go too, until I saw a replay of it from the third base angle - and on the replay, it looked to me like he'd have been out by a country mile if he had tried.

Patterson's baserunning has been surprisingly questionable so far (considering I thought that was his best asset coming in) - from being too aggressive on the weekend, to being not aggressive enough yesterday.

That being said, I can't be anything but pleased with Patterson and his line-drive-full .818ops so far.
Jdog - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#233172) #
I second that. He has been hitting th ball very well. You think a CF platoon could be in order when Davis comes back. I'd rather Patterson on the bench then Rivera.
JohnL - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#233183) #
Strange post-game event...

I was busy working on something at home last night and had the game on the radio where my attention could come and go. I let the radio play on through the entire "Jay's Talk". I don't hear it often, and almost never more than a few minutes, but last night was I was distracted enough that I just let the show mutter along while I did my work.

I did stop to pay attention when in the middle of a Wilner/fan John McDonald-rave, Wilner said he thought that after he retired, McDonald (or at least his name) should be put up on the Level of Excellence, both because of his popularity and because he's "the greatest defensive player in Blue Jays history".

Weird. So odd, that whoever the midnight guy is, he had a phone-in to discuss the idea. (I didn't listen long, and went to bed).

smcs - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#233186) #
On the passed ball in the 9th, I think Patterson got confused by the ump. As he was calling a strike with one hand, he was taking off his mask with his other hand, so it looked like he was calling time for a foul ball.
ayjackson - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#233190) #
On the passed ball in the 9th, I think Patterson got confused by the ump. As he was calling a strike with one hand, he was taking off his mask with his other hand, so it looked like he was calling time for a foul ball.

I think the point is he should have been 10-15 ft further down the baseline with his secondary lead by then.  He barely moved at all on the pitch.

92-93 - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#233192) #
.262/.286/.418 with 51r 17doubles 2triples 10hr 38rbi 11bb 50k.

.224/.266/.408 with 43r 14doubles 0triples 15hr 47rbi 16bb 56k.

The first player is John McDonald since the start of the 2009 season, 346 PA. The second player is Aaron Hill over his last 347 PA.
Kasi - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#233197) #
So Hill has had an awful year and McDonald has been the best he's been and still McDonald is barely better? The reason they're sticking with Hill is upside. If Hill even rebounds modestly he's a lot better.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#233198) #
I know you don't expect old guys to improve, but does anyone else think Johnny Mac is a distinctly better hitter now than he was when he first showed up here?

I remember him being a certified automatic out, but I think he's turned himself into a useful hitter. I was legitimately happy to see him come up in the 5-hole last night against Rivera instead of Hill with a runner on third - I liked his chances of fighting off Rivera's nastiness for a much needed single with a scrappy at bat there, while Hill v. Rivera would have been an easy first pitch out, IMO.
92-93 - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#233199) #
Cito Gaston certainly thinks so. Supposedly he & Murph returned JMac to his pull-happy ways, and it's helped.
Alex Obal - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#233201) #
I was expecting at lease a token mention of Notre Dame somewhere

What's Notre Dame?
Ron - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#233202) #
Poll Suggestion Time:

Who finishes with a Higher OPS in 2011, Hill or McDonald?

Just imagine asking this question after the 2009 season. I'll predict McDonald gets at least %20 of the vote.

85bluejay - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#233203) #
I'm about to make a very unpopular suggestion - If I were AA, I would bite hard and DFA Rivera,acquire Brandon Wood and insert him at 3rd for the next 2 months - This is a building year and with Wood you get a superior defensive player and if he hits a tremendous asset, if he doesn't, then no great loss and by June Brett Lawrie may be ready. 
Chuck - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 06:05 PM EDT (#233206) #
I think Rivera may eventually be DFA'd, if only to accommodate both Davis and Patterson on the roster. I am guessing that even when Davis returns, he'll be a little wobbly due to the nature of ankle injuries that take forever to really heal. And there ain't no other CF on the roster.

I would go nowhere near Brandon Wood.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 06:37 PM EDT (#233208) #
if he hits a tremendous asset

Oh, lead us not into temptation. Deliver us from evil. For this is tempting, in an awful way. After what the Gaston-Murphy team achieved with Scutaro (who may be due for a refresher course, no?), Bautista, and - yes - Johnny Mac, one wonders if they could have had made any headway with Brandon Wood.

But the fever passes. Evil temptation! Begone! Depart from me, ye cursed, into the fire everlasting!

Hey, I'd be a tremendous asset if I could hit, and I like my chances about as much. Wood had one good year, it was in A ball, it was five years ago, and he quite clearly hasn't developed - not even one teeny tiny bit - since then.

Some guys have developed as much as they're ever going to develop by age 21. Which is fun if your name is Adam Dunn, but not so good if you're Brandon Wood.
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#233210) #
Oh, lead us not into temptation. Deliver us from evil.

Forgive us our free passes.
Thomas - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#233211) #
Hey, I'd be a tremendous asset if I could hit, and I like my chances about as much. Wood had one good year, it was in A ball, it was five years ago..

That's the most uncharitable description of a .276/.355/.552 line in 522 plate appearances at Double-A and a .283/.350/.536 line in 1,437 plate appearances at Triple-A I've heard in a long time.

Thomas - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 07:54 PM EDT (#233212) #
And in one of those Triple-A seasons Wood went .296/.375/.595 in 448 plate appearances...
Mick Doherty - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#233213) #

Forgive us our free passes.

Even better, if there are three bases on balls, we can go Espanol on your arse, and go with ...

Forgive us our tres passes.

Magpie - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#233214) #
In the Pacific Coast League. He's had the same season there for three years running now, which doesn't suggest he's learning anything, and when you let out all that PCL air, it's one empty balloon.
MatO - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#233215) #
In that AA season Wood was on a pace to K well over 200 times in a 162 game season and he didn't just play in the PCL but Salt Lake City in the PCL.
Thomas - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#233216) #
In the Pacific Coast League. He's had the same season there for three years running now, which doesn't suggest he's learning anything, and when you let out all that PCL air, it's one empty balloon.

In Double-A, Wood had a .907 OPS for a team that had a .781 OPS. It was the highest OPS on the team for anyone with over 250 plate appearances (3rd for anyone with over 100 plate appearances). The Texas League had a .761 OPS as a league.

In Triple-A, in his best season, Wood has a .970 OPS. Salt Lake City had a team OPS of .818. Wood's OPS was 2nd on the team, more than 50 points ahead of Kendry Morales. The PCL's OPS was .792.

And, as for a prospect that put up the same season three years in a row. I'd love if the Jays had a prospect who put up those numbers three years in a row. The only negative thing about that season is Wood's strikeout total and (while I'm sure he worked on this aspect of his game) clearly he's going to have contact issues his whole career. I never claimed Wood learned anything. I said it was uncharitable, bordering on ridiculous, to say he's had "1 good minor league" and I stand by that.

Mike Green - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#233217) #
Thomas is right. I guess though that I share Magpie's skepticism about Wood's future. Wood reminds me a lot of Dallas McPherson. At age 19, he was an interesting prospect in the Midwest League, but with a strikeout issue. And then he goes all ape woolies in Rancho Cucamonga and that was probably the worst thing for him.
Thomas - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#233218) #
I share Magpie's skepticism about Wood's future.

I do, too. I'd give due consideration to picking him up anyway and giving him a month or two here to see if he shows signs of life with Murphy. However, I'd also bet against him having a productive major league career.

Brandon Wood may be likely to be a poor major leaguer, but my issue was with the characterization of him as anything other than a very good minor league hitter (to date).

Alex Obal - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#233219) #
If the curveballs don't curve, the sliders don't slide and the pitchers are always rattled, is it really baseball?
ComebyDeanChance - Wednesday, April 20 2011 @ 11:10 PM EDT (#233221) #
Speaking of skepticism, I love to see 38 year olds who haven't pitched for 2 years but have 93-95 mph fastballs. Lends authenticity to the game.
92-93 - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 03:00 AM EDT (#233225) #
If Juan Rivera isn't on the team to PH for JMac in the 9th inning, what's he doing here? He was 3/4 with a HR vs. Soriano for what that's worth. Just DFA the sunk cost and bring the team a LHB that can actually be used off the bench in late game PH situations like Matt Stairs used to be.
Paul D - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 08:09 AM EDT (#233227) #
Brandon Wood's MLEs for this 3 years in Salt Lake:

.210/.263/.370
.235/.299/.446
.235/.283/.432

Mike Green - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 09:07 AM EDT (#233228) #
...all of which got me thinking about Eric Thames.  I wish minorleaguesplits.com was still up.  He's hitting .432 despite striking out nearly once per game, while having 2 homers for the season.  His BABIP is roughly .637. :) 

So, I checked last night's game.  He went 2-5 with no strikeouts or homers, and actually if the recap is right, he was unlucky.  He hit 4 line drives (two caught, one single and one double) and 1 ground ball out.  With his history in Dunedin and New Hampshire, I am confident that he would be a capable platoon player at the major league level.

China fan - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 10:40 AM EDT (#233229) #

.....If Juan Rivera isn't on the team to PH for JMac in the 9th inning, what's he doing here?

Farrell explained after the game that he couldn't PH for Johnny Mac in the 9th inning because he didn't have any infielders on the bench  (because of the massive 9-man bullpen that he's been carrying this week).  This isn't really a fully satisfactory explanation, since he could have shifted Bautista to 3B and put Rivera in RF.  I think the larger problem is that McDonald has actually been hitting better than Rivera, so there wasn't much probability that Rivera would do better than McDonald in the 9th inning.  Which speaks to how terribly Rivera has been performing and the obvious lack of faith that the Jays have in him. 

If the Jays have so little faith in Rivera, they should DFA him.  I'd rather see Thames in the majors.

perlhack - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#233231) #
Morrow is off the DL, and Perez has been optioned to Las Vegas.
Matthew E - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#233235) #
The Blue Jays just tweeted that Cecil has been optioned to Vegas and Chris Woodward has been called up.

I did not expect this to happen. But I don't think it'll be long before Cecil's back.

92-93 - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#233237) #
Jesse Litsch has no business being in the minors, and now we'll have a Scott Richmond or Brad Mills start because of a poor roster decision.
China fan - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#233239) #
92-93, you seem extremely concerned, even emotional, about the fate of the 2011 season.  Isn't this a rebuilding year, where the Jays try to figure out what they've got?  I think they already know that Litsch is quite capable of being a number 5 pitcher in the rotation.  It's not a catastrophe if they also learn some stuff about Reyes, Mills and Richmond this year.  It's even possible that Reyes or Mills or Richmond won't pitch quite as well as Litsch might.  So they might lose a game or two.  But that's not the point of this season, is it?
92-93 - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#233240) #
Shaun Marcum was turned into Brett Lawrie. Jesse Litsch could be turned into something very valuable, but AA decided to ship him out for no apparent reason.

I never had a problem with the idea the Jays should have a longer look at Reyes. It shouldn't have been at the expense of Litsch when Cecil & Drabek weren't pitching any better.
92-93 - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#233241) #
I think Romero should be sent to the minors, and Chad Cordero brought up to start. After all, we already know Ricky has front of the rotation stuff.
Matthew E - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#233242) #
The Jays sent Litsch to Vegas. They didn't shoot him. He's still there. They can bring him back anytime.
Thomas - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#233246) #
They can bring him back anytime.

Anytime after he's spent 10 days in Triple-A. Hence, there will be at least one start by an unknown individual (Richmond, Mills, Stewart, Person X?).

Matthew E - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#233249) #
Okay, sure. All I mean is, let's not talk about him like they threw him on the bonfire. He continues to be one of the organization's assets.

(Also I just read that they can bring him up early if it's to replace someone, like Hill, going on the DL.)

China fan - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#233261) #

....It shouldn't have been at the expense of Litsch when Cecil & Drabek weren't pitching any better.....

Well, now Cecil has been sent down too, so that should lessen your concerns about Litsch, shouldn't it? Or do you insist that Drabek must be sent down too?

.....I think Romero should be sent to the minors, and Chad Cordero brought up to start.....

You seem to be suggesting that Litsch is as good as Romero, and you're also implying that Mills and Richmond are fringe players who don't deserve any chance at major-league starts.  I disagree with both.

Jesse Litsch could be turned into something very valuable

And he still can.  A few days in the minors won't hurt his trade value if he pitches well in the rest of the season.  And maybe Mills or Richmond could be turned into something valuable if they show that they can pitch in the majors.

Anyway it's a lot of fuss over one or two starts.  Litsch will probably be back in 10 days, just like Janssen came back after a very brief stint in the minors.  In fact Litsch could be back by tomorrow if the Jays decide to put Hill on the DL.  The Jays clearly have a strategy of using their player options to get a better look at some prospects, and I don't see that as some huge mistake.

92-93 - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#233262) #

Well, now Cecil has been sent down too, so that should lessen your concerns about Litsch, shouldn't it? Or do you insist that Drabek must be sent down too?

My concern all along has been that Litsch was sent down instead of Cecil or Drabek. That hasn't changed. It was the wrong move, verified by the fact Cecil was shipped out today. I've explained why in the new thread.

You seem to be suggesting that Litsch is as good as Romero, and you're also implying that Mills and Richmond are fringe players who don't deserve any chance at major-league starts.  I disagree with both.

I implied nothing of the sort. Your reading comprehension is lacking. I was playing on the fact that you decided since we know Litsch is a back end starter, there's no value to playing him with the team in 2010, a season designated as a lost one. Well then there's no value to playing Ricky Romero too - give his starts to Brad Mills so we can see what we have.

I didn't start the fuss. I merely pointed out that their roster management cost them a start of Jesse Litsch for no reason. It's not the end of the world, and it makes very little difference, but it's the truth.

China fan - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#233271) #

.....I merely pointed out that their roster management cost them a start of Jesse Litsch for no reason....

For no reason?  Here's where your own reading comprehension becomes dubious.  The Jays have cited many reasons, including their desire to keep Reyes.  Even if you disagree with those reasons, you can't say that the Jays had no reasons.  They clearly did have reasons, even if you dislike those reasons. 

And if you're trying to argue that the Cecil demotion has negated the reason for the Litsch demotion, that's a very flawed argument.  When the Jays sent down Litsch, they couldn't have known how bad Cecil would look yesterday.  And as others have pointed out here, the Jays seem to feel that Litsch has his own issues that need work. 

On top of that, it's inaccurate to say that AA's roster management "cost them a start of Jesse Litsch."  It didn't cost them a start, since he'll start in Las Vegas if he doesn't start in the majors.  His development won't be damaged in the slightest.

If you're saying that that the Jays will lose the value of a Litsch start (compared to a Mills or Richmond start), maybe we should wait and see how Litsch's replacement fares on Tuesday.  But even in the absolute worst-case scenario -- if the Jays lose a game that they might have won if Litsch had started -- it really doesn't matter in the slightest.  The goal is 2012, not 2011, as became very clear when the Jays traded Marcum and Wells, so the loss of a game in 2011 is absolutely irrelevant.

92-93 - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#233274) #

And if you're trying to argue that the Cecil demotion has negated the reason for the Litsch demotion, that's a very flawed argument.  When the Jays sent down Litsch, they couldn't have known how bad Cecil would look yesterday.

If the Blue Jays on Tuesday thought sending Cecil to the minors was a possibility based on Wednesday's start it was a poor decision to option Litsch to AAA just so they can carry a 9th RP for the game before an off day. If they didn't think Cecil to AAA was a possibility and are basing it solely on the NYY game, well then we have a FO that overreacts. Either way it's not good.

China fan - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#233276) #

I'm sure they thought it was a possibility.  They probably didn't think it was a probability.

These things are never clear-cut.  Anthopolous explained in his conference call today that the Jays were already considering the option of demoting Cecil before the Boston start.  And then they thought Cecil had improved in the last few innings of his Boston start, and therefore he deserved another start.  Seems reasonable to me.

They also have concerns about Litsch, entirely separate from the Cecil and Francisco situations.  Obviously the demotion of Litsch wasn't purely motivated by the desire to get Frank Francisco into the bullpen.  The Jays would have to be pretty stupid if they couldn't find any other way to get Francisco onto the roster except by demoting one of their starting rotation.

Hodgie - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 05:18 PM EDT (#233277) #
There is also the possibility of another option, one in which Litsch was going to be demoted regardless of Cecil's performance. Options aside, there is nothing in Litsch's on-field performance to suggest a demotion was warranted however this is not the first time that he has fallen out of favor with a manager. It could be confirmation bias or for all we know there are maturity issues that are being addressed. The point is, we don't know and assuming the worst about the Front Office is premature at this point.
bpoz - Thursday, April 21 2011 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#233291) #
92-93 & Chinafan,

Mark me down as slightly peeved or confused, due to the large number of moves by the Jay's Front Office.

I cannot keep up with all the moves, then our in depth analysis of every move has already IMO gone into NEW TERRITORY. ie 9 man pen, really short? bench and our #5 SP is TB?

So let me give my take on the Merry-Go-Round.

1) Janssen's demotion was unfair.
2) Purcey's DFA was a fast trigger. But we got something back, uncertain value but more development time for sure.
3)Cecil & Litsch have been mediocre to poor in a few starts, so I am OK with Morrow & an AAA pitcher like Mills who is pitching well enough to be given a few ML starts. IMO Mills has edged out Richmond in AAA for a start, but that move has not been made.
4) Based on the very strong assumption and expert opinions that the Jays are not contenders in 2011. I personally would like to see wins, but I will take the cost in losses for the maturing of JPA, Drabek and any other young players. Also to protect assets like Reyes I am willing to sacrifice wins by providing a longer rope. Short call ups to last chance prospects like Mills, Perez etc... when opportunity provides, I think can be a good ML test, as long as their minor league performance warrants it.
5) I don't know how big a help C Woodward is going to be. We could be leading the league in transactions.

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