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It was (more than) 20 years ago today ....

(That Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play? No, no, different tune ...)

Two decades plus one year ago, Cal Ripken Jr. started a streak. Not The Streak, mind you -- that was already underway -- but  in April, 1990, Iron Cal began an unprecedented 95-game streak in which he was Errorless Cal. Another  streak,  for  consecutive totalerrorless chances (431) by a shortstop., ran parallell, so it was no fluke.

Bet you didn't know that. Which leads to two related Question(s) of the Day ...



  1. What's the greatest streak in baseball history? Joe D's 56-game hitting streak? Cal's consecutive games played? Larsen's 27-up, 27-down World Series game? Jim Kaat's 16 consecutive Gold Gloves? Ozzie Smith's 13 consecutive Gold Gloves at shortstop? Orel Hershiser's consecutive shutout innings streak? Be as creative as you like!
  2. What's the most under-apppreciated streak in baseball history? This is a much tougher question and if examples were easy to come by, that would almost by definitiion eliminate that example. Remember Josh Johnson's 2010 eight consecutive starts giving up zero runs or one run? Me neither, but that hadn't been done in like a hundred years. So that sort of thing. Bobby Cox's managerial streak of taking 14 consecutive teams to the playoffs (granted, interrupted in 1994 by the fact there were no playoffs held) ... no need to mention the "only" one World Series title int hat time. Cal's glove streak, recognized today on its 21st birthday?

What else ya got, Bauxites?

 

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Matthew E - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#232751) #
How about Reggie Jackson's 1977 streak of four World Series home runs in four consecutive swings of the bat?
Brian W - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#232754) #
Johnny Vander Meer's two consecutive no-hitters.
AWeb - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#232755) #

1. Greatest: I'd give it to DiMaggio, with Hershiser second.

2. Underrated: That time the A's won 20 straight games to surge to the division title- not the actual record (26 with a tie in 1916 for the NY Giants), but team win streaks are more impressive to me than player streaks, and I remember the A's streak.

dan gordon - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#232774) #

I think the greatest streak is DiMaggio's 56 gamer.  I read somewhere that statistically speaking, the odds against a player hitting in that many consecutive games is truly mind boggling.  The analysis indicated that it is unlikely to be broken for an extremely long time, unless the game undergoes some kind of fundamental change favouring hitters.  Might have been Bill James who did that analysis, I'm not sure.

For something off the radar a bit, there are dozens.  For a recent one, how about Mark Buehrle's record set in 2009 when he retired 45 batters in a row.  Got the last batter out in one appearance, pitched a perfect game next appearance, then retired 17 in a row to start his next game after the perfecto.  As a Giants' fan I remember the old record of 41 in a row set by a pitcher named Jim Barr, who did it by retiring 21 in a row to end a game, then 20 in a row to start his next game.  Barr's record was set in 1972 and tied by Bobby Jenks in 2007 over the course of a large number of games.

If you can call 2 of something a streak, then Vander Meer's consecutive no-hitters is right up there, and for most unusual, Dave Stieb's consecutive games with a no-hitter broken up with 2 outs in the 9th inning and 2 strikes on the batter, both times on rather flukey hits.

Some others that you don't hear about very often - consecutive stolen bases without being caught, 50 by Vince Coleman; consecutive plate appearances with a hit, 12 by Walt Dropo and Johnny Kling; consecutive games without striking out, 115 by Joe Sewell; consecutive shutouts, 6 by Don Drysdale; consecutive saves converted, 84 by Eric Gagne; consecutive batters struck out, 10 by Tom Seaver and Eric Gagne; consecutive seasons played with 1 team, 23 by Brooks Robinson and Carl Yastrzemski; and consecutive all-star game appearances, 24 by Willie Mays and Stan Musial

mathesond - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#232778) #
How about Carl Hubbell striking out five future Hall of Famers in succession in the 1934 All-Star game (Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx, Al Simmons and Joe Cronin)?
Magpie - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#232793) #
DiMaggio, DiMaggio, DiMaggio. First star, second star, third star. DiMaggio!

The mind still reels. It's simply unfathomable. If it weren't for Ken Keltner, he may have extended it past 70 games. Thank you, Mr Keltner - my head would have simply exploded.

It's been 70 years, and no one has even come close; in the history of the game, no one has ever come within 10 games of DiMaggio's feat. In the last 100 years, since Ty Cobb ran off his 40 gamer in 1911, only one other player has even cleared 40 games.

Beyond comprehension.
Mick Doherty - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 07:46 PM EDT (#232800) #

Mags, I agree with you, but minor factual correction --it's actually two since Cobb 100 years ago. Sisler (41) in '22 and Rose (44) in '78.

In the last 25 years, only two players (Molitor with 39 in 1987 and Rollins with 38 over 2005-06) has even cleared 35. Within one season, only Utley (35 in '06), Luis Castillo (35 in '02) were the only ones to even reach 35.

Matthew E - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 08:16 PM EDT (#232801) #
In the last 25 years, only two players (Molitor with 39 in 1987

Here's a trivia question for you: who was the pitcher who stopped Molitor's streak?

His name should be right at the front of your mind these days.
Mick Doherty - Thursday, April 14 2011 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#232808) #

As I recall, it was the fella Jay players call "Skip" these days.

I was in Ohio at the time and remember seeing Farrell as obviously ready to develop into a multiple-time 20-game winner ...

Mike Green - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 09:15 AM EDT (#232814) #
I hate to get too analytical about something like this question, but...It is important to understand the way the game has changed over the years.  Strikeout rates have gone way up over the last 50 years, which has led to declining batting averages.  There is the odd player who bucks the trend (Carew, Brett, Gwynn, Ichiro), but the general decline makes it much, much less likely that a player will put together a long hitting streak than it was in the time of Sisler, Hornsby, Gehrig,  and DiMaggio (i.e the pre-WWII lively ball era).

With that understanding, a 56 game hitting streak is probably the most impressive streak of its kind, but it is nothing like Babe Ruth's 54 homer season in 1920. 

AWeb - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#232816) #

I hate to get too analytical about something like this question, but...It is important to understand the way the game has changed over the years.  Strikeout rates have gone way up over the last 50 years, which has led to declining batting averages.  There is the odd player who bucks the trend (Carew, Brett, Gwynn, Ichiro), but the general decline makes it much, much less likely that a player will put together a long hitting streak than it was in the time of Sisler, Hornsby, Gehrig,  and DiMaggio (i.e the pre-WWII lively ball era).

I have to disagree with the strikeouts lead to lower average idea - strikeouts have been rising in baseball pretty steadily for a long time, with only a massive increase in the early 1960s departing from the trend all that much (after the adjustments to the game, strikeouts basically fell back to the long term trend line). Since 1980, strikeouts have gone from about 5 a game to 7 per game (for each team), but BA has held pretty stready. To me, this implies that hitters have been making a relatively successful tradeoff between less contact and harder contact. I'm curious where the Strikeout trend will end - there has to be an upper limit, but since starting below 3/game at the beginning of the live ball, it's been heading up ever since. Strikeouts still lower the chances of a long hit streak without lowering BA, I think, because of the increase in balls in play (noisier data leads to longer tailed outcomes), but not the AVG itself.

I find it surprising that BB rate has been virtually unchanged over the decades - hitters may be trying for more walks, but pitchers seem to normalize their strategies to where they come out to between 3 and 3.5/game.  

There was an indisputable rise in BAs in the pre-war era, where MLB hit .275-.295, which would make streaks more likely, though. DiMaggio still had by far the longest stretch in that era, of course.

Mike Green - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 11:16 AM EDT (#232820) #
Perhaps that wasn't phrased as clearly as it ought to have been.  The game of the last 50 years is very different from the game of DiMaggio's time.  With league average K rates of 10% or less of PAs, it was common for a great hitter to strike out as few as 15-30 times per year.  This made it a lot easier to hit .380-.420, and greatly increased the likelihood that a player would run up a long streak. 

One of the other hidden factors that goes into a hitting streak is the quality of the team's offence.  A player who routinely gets 5 PAs per game has a much better chance of sustaining a long streak than one who routinely gets 4 PAs.  Tony Gwynn was the type of hitter who you would have expected might have had a long hitting streak or three, but he was usually getting 4 PAs per game due to the Padre offence. 

Magpie - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#232821) #
A player who routinely gets 5 PAs per game has a much better chance of sustaining a long streak than one who routinely gets 4 PAs.

DiMaggio, who batted fourth in 1941, had 247 plate appearances during his streak, 4.40 per game. There appear to be 11 games where he had one hit in five plate appearances, but I don't know how many of those came in his last at bat.

I checked a couple of 56 game chunks from Gwynn's 1997 season (when he hit .370 with a career high 220 hits.) In one of them, he had 243 plate appearances (4.34 per game); in the other he had 228 PApps (4.07 per game). Gwynn, of course, was hitting third.
Magpie - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#232822) #
While DiMaggio is noted as a power hitter who seldom struck out, he did strike out more often than Tony Gwynn. DiMaggio whiffed 369 in 7671 PApps (4.8%); Gwynn struck out 434 times in 10,232 PApps (4.2%)
Mike Green - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 12:10 PM EDT (#232823) #
Magpie, if you look over their careers, DiMaggio had considerably more PA/game.  I am not saying that DiMaggio's streak was not a fabulous and unique accomplishment.  I am merely saying that the changes in the game have made it much harder for someone to come close to it.  These changes correlate with the changes which have made Ruth's records (so seemingly unassailable at the time) so routinely challenged and passed.
AWeb - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#232825) #

The one guy who "should" have had a long hit streak in the last decade is Ichiro - doesn't walk much, bats leadoff, hits for a high average, team is often behind in the ninth inning at home (lately anyway), never leaves a game for defensive reasons or is pinch-run for. I think his best is 27, which may actually be below what is expected of his career. But Ichiro's 200+ hits/season streak is very impressive - 10 now, and he could add several more seasons to it.

BlueJayWay - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#232826) #
I have to disagree with the strikeouts lead to lower average idea - strikeouts have been rising in baseball pretty steadily for a long time, with only a massive increase in the early 1960s departing from the trend all that much (after the adjustments to the game, strikeouts basically fell back to the long term trend line). Since 1980, strikeouts have gone from about 5 a game to 7 per game (for each team), but BA has held pretty stready. To me, this implies that hitters have been making a relatively successful tradeoff between less contact and harder contact. I'm curious where the Strikeout trend will end - there has to be an upper limit, but since starting below 3/game at the beginning of the live ball, it's been heading up ever since. Strikeouts still lower the chances of a long hit streak without lowering BA, I think, because of the increase in balls in play (noisier data leads to longer tailed outcomes), but not the AVG itself.

Yes, BA has actually held steady.  This is because the increase in Ks has been paired with an increase in homeruns, as well as a slight increase in BABIP - both seeming to indicate what you say, hitters making better contact when they actually do make it.  There are fewer "non strikeout" ABs than before, but the average in those ABs is higher than before, and the factors offset each other.

I find it surprising that BB rate has been virtually unchanged over the decades - hitters may be trying for more walks, but pitchers seem to normalize their strategies to where they come out to between 3 and 3.5/game. 

I remember reading that a couple years ago.  It's funny that over all the changes in baseball, and with the OBP preached by Moneyball, that overall walk rate just doesn't seem to ever change.  Of course, this has led to a steady increase in K/BB ratio over the years.  Many decades ago it was about 1:1, and even good pitchers didn't strike out many more than they walked.  Nowadays the average ratio is about 2:1.
Magpie - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#232827) #
While I would agree that some changes in the game have generally made it tougher for hitters - in particularly, night baseball and west coast road trips - K rates are a somewhat different matter. I think that, for the most part, they reflect a choice made by hitters rather than an actual change in the conditions of the game. Hitters who make that choice will find it more difficult to put together a lengthy hitting streak, and of course most contemporary hitters have indeed made that choice. But they wouldn't have much relevance to those hitters who haven't.

Somewhat related - Jimmy Rollins, of course, strikes out quite a bit more often (almost three times as often) than DiMaggio or Gwynn - Rollins, however, typically had quite a few more plate appearances (as many as 4.8 per game). Which you would expect from a leadoff hitter....

The guy who should have challenged this record was Matty Alou. Didn't strike out, didn't walk much, hit at the top of the order... Just checked his 1969 season - best he could manage was two 19 gamers.
Mike Green - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#232829) #
I don't agree.  The players who swung really hard in the 30s like Jimmie Foxx would strike out 100 times a year (and lead the league).  There was nobody like David Ortiz or Adam Dunn or Ryan Howard striking out 130-180 times a year.  Everybody strikes out more now.  It is a progression in the game that began from its inception.  Pitchers are bigger and stronger, and throw split-fingered fastballs and cut fastballs, and when they get tired, there are more fresh pitchers in the bullpen to throw for shorter and shorter periods than there were in 1930 or 1940.
92-93 - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#232841) #
Bullpens are probably more responsible for suppressing hit streaks than anything else. Dimaggio probably saw a lot more of each day's starting pitcher than Ichiro has ever had the luxury of seeing.
Magpie - Friday, April 15 2011 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#232845) #
The players who swung really hard in the 30s...

... actually stopped swinging hard when the pitcher got two strikes on them. They would shorten their swings, choke up on the bat, try to make contact. There used to be something shameful about strikeouts. Mickey Mantle was always being criticized for it. Today's hitters simply don't worry.
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