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A 1-for-3 night for the affiliates doesn't sound that great but three bullpen implosions kept the squads from going 4-0. There were also some impressive hitting performances in low-A and a nice pitching line for a 2010 No. 1 draft pick in high-A.


Fresno 8 Las Vegas 5

Pitcher Mike MacDonald made a triumphant return to the Jays organization by allowing just one earned run (three runs overall) in 5.1 innings. Josh Roenicke, Mike Hinckley and Winston Abreu didn't pitch overly well but got the lead into the eighth inning. Unfortunately, Rommie Lewis blew the save and took the loss by allowing three runs in one-third of an inning. Fresno base runners embarrassed catcher Brian Jeroloman - known for his defense - by stealing 10 bases in the game. The club played sloppy ball in the field with four errors (Manny Mayorson (2), Brett Lawrie, and Jeroloman).

Darin Mastroianni, who could end up being a very valuable bench player in the not-too-distant future, went 3-for-4 with a run scored and an RBI. Chris Woodward (now there is a flashback) and Eric Thames each had two hits. Thames hit a double and drive in two batters. David Cooper has now recorded a hit in each of his first four games in 2011 after recording a double. He also took a walk and scored a run. Every batter had at least one hit except poor Mr. Jeroloman.

New Hampshire 5 Trenton 0

The Jays rode minor league veteran starter Willie Collazo to a shutout win over the baby Yankees. He gave up just two hits and no walks in 5.2 innings. Ron Uviedo pitched 2.1 innings of scoreless relief, while former top Expos prospect Clint Everts looked good over one inning. Top 10 Yankees prospect and catcher Austin Romine went 1-for-4 with a single.

The Fisher Cats' offense got to Top 10 pitching prospect Dellin Betances for four runs (just one earned) over 4.2 innings. Third baseman Mark Sobolewski went 2-for-3 with a walk and two RBI. Adam Calderone went 1-for-4 but made the most of his opportunity with three RBI and a stolen base. Moises Sierra was 1-for-3 with a steal and two runs scored. He was also hit by a pitch. Michael McDade went 1-for-3 with a double and also took his first walk of the season. After recording four hits in his last two games, Adeiny Hechavarria went hitless. Travis d'Arnaud had his first hit of the young season.

Clearwater 5 Dunedin 4


It was a promising game for the baby Jays until rehabbing MLB veteran Frank Francisco entered the game in the seventh inning. He allowed four runs on three hits and two walks while recording just two outs. Matt Wright gave up the final run and took the loss. The final two innings ruined a solid 2011 debut from 2010 No. 1 draft pick Asher Wojciechowski. He three five shutout innings and gave up just two hits with no walks and two strikeouts. The right-hander also induced eight ground-ball outs and just two in the air. Casey Beck also threw a scoreless inning in relief.

On offense, the baby Jays faced one of Philadelphia's top pitching prospects in Brody Colvin. They hit him around for three runs in 2.0 innings. Outfielder Chris Hopkins recorded three hits and drove in two runs. Rehabbing veteran Corey Patterson and Justin Jackson both had two hits. Sean Ochinko, Brad McElroy and Kevin Nolan each had a hit a piece. McElroy was the only player to get an extra base hit (a double). Ryan Goins had a rough day with and 0-for-5 and three strikeouts.

West Michigan 13 Lansing 12

The Lugnuts club finally made it onto the baseball diamond after an embarrassing start to the season (for the stadium operators and organization) at home. Unfortunately, the club came out on the losing end of a slugfest with the Detroit Tigers low-A affiliate. The Lugnuts appeared poised to take the game before the bullpen melted down and allowed eight runs in the final four innings. Drew Permison gave up four runs in 1.1 innings of work, while Dayton Marze was torched four four runs over 2.1 innings.

Misaul Diaz received the start for the Lugnuts but he had zero control and gave up five runs (just two earned) over 2.2 innings of work. He allowed five hits, two walks, a wild pitch and hit two batters. On the plus side, he did record seven outs to one ground-ball out. Veteran A-baller Scott Gracey was the only pitcher to go unscathed with 2.1 scoreless innings in middle relief. The Lugnut pitchers faced two Top 10 Tigers prospects (according to my off-season rankings at FanGraphs.com) in Dixon Machado (who went 4-for-5) and Nick Castellanos (0-for-5).

At the plate, catcher Carlos Perez paced the offense with three hits in five at-bats. He also scored two runs. K.C. Hobson, Gustavo Pierre, and Michael Crouse all had two hits. The latter prospect - a Canadian - hit a three-run homer and stole a base. His exciting power-speed combination is one of the reasons why he's one of my favorite sleepers. Markus Brisker was the only starter who failed to get a hit (0-for-4) but he did walk and steal a base. Another Top 10 prospect for the Tigers - Bruce Rondon - came in for the ninth inning and retired the side (and struck out two batters) and recorded the win.

The Three Stars
3. Michael Crouse, OF
2. Carlos Perez, C
1. Asher Wojciechowski, RHP

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timpinder - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 09:28 AM EDT (#232521) #
What do you think the Jays are going to do with Carlos Perez?  In my opinion he should be in Dunedin and doesn't have anything left to prove in Lansing, but he's blocked by Jimenez in A+ and D'Arnaud in AA.  My only fear is that they're going to stall his development and end up hurting his development over the long term.  If he continues to do well in Lansing and if D'Arnaud does well in AA do you guys see D'Arnaud getting promoted to AAA with Perez leapfrogging Jimenez to AA?
Gerry - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 09:55 AM EDT (#232522) #

I assume the plan for Perez is:

2011 Lansing - age 20

2012 Dunedin - age 21

2013 - New Hampshire - age 22.

These dates could be adjusted by a promotion for a month or so at the end of the season to the next level.  If all goes according to plan Perez would be knocking on the door of the majors at age 22.  Perez could accelerate that plan but catchers have a lot to learn and generally don't get promoted too quickly.

Unless he plays way above expectations I would expect him to stay in Lansing for most of the season.

Ryan Day - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 10:45 AM EDT (#232523) #
This is going to be Perez's first time in full-season ball, so you could say he has something to prove at Lansing - surviving a full season behind the plate.

Besides, while he's possibly the most talented hitter the Jays have in the system - particularly for his age & position - he still hasn't had an "Oh My God Promote This Guy Right Now" season that demands he skip a level. He's very good, but he's not making a mockery of the competition.

If Perez is awesome and Jiminez struggles, we might see Perez move up, but there doesn't seem to be a need to rush things yet. There's certainly no cause to worry about Perez's development.
bpoz - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 11:41 AM EDT (#232524) #
IMO if a player earns his promotion then move him as fast as his performance suggests.
Concerning C Perez, catching may wear down his speed, and then there are those deflected balls that turn catchers black & blue.
Anyhow suggestions have been made that he may be able to handle 2nd base or maybe even SS.
If his offense becomes good as many are predicting then I guess the Jays MUST keep him at catcher, because that is where he would be most valuable.
But I have been trying to figure out how at some future date the Jays can have 3 ML catchers. If he develops as a good catcher & 2nd or SS player this can be done. But then catchers are the hardest to develop.
Washington's Bryce Harper could develop into a good offensive player & play multiple positions well defensively.
Ryan Day - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 12:18 PM EDT (#232525) #
"But I have been trying to figure out how at some future date the Jays can have 3 ML catchers."

I'll worry about that when the Jays actually have 3 ML catchers. I like Arencibia, but there are legit questions about his bat & glove. D'arnaud's struggled with injuries and failed to hit for the last two years. Jimenez only figured out how to use a bat last year and then got hurt. Perez looks great, but a lot can happen to a catcher in the 2-4 years it'll take him to get to the majors.
92-93 - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#232526) #
Exactly. A Rangers fan will remind you about the time recently they had 3 top 100 C prospects - Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Max Ramirez, and Taylor Teagarden. Still left them scrambling for a C this offseason. Like with pitchers, there's essentially no such thing as too many C prospects.
ComebyDeanChance - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#232527) #
Nice to see both Deck and Asher opening well in high A.
uglyone - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#232528) #
Arencibia MLB (24-25): 58pa, .850ops
Arencibia AAA (23-24): 959pa, .850ops
Arencibia AA (22-22): 275pa, .798ops
Arencibia A+ (22-22): 262pa, .904ops

And he's a catcher. With a 29% MILB throwout rate and 44% so far in the bigs.

I can't help but think if this was a Rays or Red Sox prospect, there would suddenly be far fewer "question marks" about him.

I mean, everyone thinks this guy is a flat out good young catcher:

Jaso MLB (24-27): 430pa, .719ops
Jaso AAA (24-26): 517pa, .751ops
Jaso AA (23-24): 806pa, .859ops
Jaso A+ (22-22): 406pa, .813ops

With a 25% MILB throwout rate and 19% in the bigs.
Jonny German - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#232529) #
Ah yes, but Arencibia sat on the big league bench for a month last year. Don't forget that huge black mark on his resume.
Kelekin - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#232530) #
So, how long are we forced to watch Gari Pena and Bryson Namba man 2B and 3B?  How do they have a starting full-season gig over Andy Fermin (where is he anyway)? It would've been nice to see Sweeney get a crack at it after his strong GCL showing.
Chuck - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 05:29 PM EDT (#232534) #

[re Jaso] I mean, everyone thinks this guy is a flat out good young catcher:

I don't know that I agree that this is a widely held sentiment. Last season Tampa was desperate for a catcher with Navarro continuing to falter and Shoppach hurt, and gave a 26-year old with some on-base skills a chance. He rewarded them with an offensive season far and above what they could have hoped for.

He has no minor league pedigree suggesting a huge upside, is not noted for his defense, and will be turning 28 this season. He is a nice cheap plug-in for an organization that likes nice cheap plug-ins. He figures to regress from last season but still hold some value and should easily earn his modest paycheque. I'm not sure that makes him a "flat out good young catcher".

 

Mike Green - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 05:41 PM EDT (#232535) #
I think that Arencibia has a decent chance to be a much better catcher than Jaso, but OPS is a poor statistic to compare them offensively because it attaches too much weight to Arencibia's strength and not enough to Jaso's strength. 
uglyone - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#232536) #
well, you could be right, but I read more than one preview this offseason not just saying he was a decent youngish fillin, but that he actually made C a clear plus position for the Rays this year.

But you're right that I'm likely exaggerating. I just still can't wrap my head around JPA not cracking the top-100 this year. It makes no sense.
uglyone - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#232537) #
aight, just for you Mike:

Jaso MLB (24-27): 430pa, .328wOBA
Jaso AAA (26): 12pa, .330wOBA
Jaso AAA (25): 387pa, .336wOBA
Jaso AAA (24): 118pa, .359wOBA
Jaso AA (24): 356pa, .382wOBA
Jaso AA (23): 450pa, .403wOBA
Jaso A+ (22): 406pa, .365wOBA

JPA MLB (24-25): 58pa, .352wOBA
JPA AAA (24): 459pa, .412wOBA
JPA AAA (23): 500pa, .316wOBA
JPA AA (22): 275pa, .348wOBA
JPA A+ (22): 262pa, .402wOBA
Gerry - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#232540) #

So, how long are we forced to watch Gari Pena and Bryson Namba man 2B and 3B?

 

More than one game?

Pena isn't playing tonight, Dominguez is.  I had thought that Matt Nuzzo would get the 3B job, a college guy.  But we have to see if the Jays brain trust knows what they are doing and that will take until the middle of May. 

Kelekin - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#232541) #
Heh, thanks Gerry.  I think that's one of those frustrating outside perspective things - players who can't even hit the mendoza line starting above players who offensively performed well. 

On a draft-related note, the latest mock draft from MyMLBDraft has us picking Josh Bell, a high-school OF.  Matt Garrioch of MLBBonusBaby has this to say:

Joshua Bell, OF , Jesuit HS, Dallas TX: Really athletic player. Nice swing with huge potential. Great arm in the OF. Top of the draft talent. Reminds me of Preston Wilson early in his career.

1990Jays - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#232542) #
Re: Carlos Perez

i hope they move Carlos Perez a little quicker than some of the suggestions here. If you go by Gerry's suggestion(and its perfectly reasonable), the Jays are gonna have to protect him from the rule 5 draft and start burning his options before he even reaches Double A. A vasty majority of good prospects don't need to play a complete season at every level and international kiddies that sign when they're 16/17 get moved even faster.
TamRa - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#232543) #
What do you think the Jays are going to do with Carlos Perez?  In my opinion he should be in Dunedin and doesn't have anything left to prove in Lansing,

After less than 10 AB?

My guess is you have a faulty memory of where he played last year.

a year-by-year progressions is FINE for a catcher. You have to be a mega-propsect akin to Posey or Weiters to come faster than that
Mike Green - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#232546) #
No, top prospect catchers do not usually spend 5 years in the minors. The reason is that there is a balance between development and wear.

There is nothing wrong with Perez beginning 2011 in Lansing, but you don't want him to spend a full year at each stop. Basically, he's got the talents of Craig Biggio, and all going well he should be in the majors at age 22-23. The major question is whether he should be moved from behind the plate.
1990Jays - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#232547) #
Perez would have 7 yearsr of experience in the minors if he went year by year like some people are suggesting here. Not only is that unprecedented for a good prospect like Perez it would also burn two options and take up a 40 man roster spot for two years before he even makes the big leagues.
Gerry - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#232549) #

He will be ready when he is ready, options or not. 

 

Lawrie and Thames go back to back with home runs in the first inning tonight. 

Kelekin - Monday, April 11 2011 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#232550) #
I have to say, this is my first year having MiLB.tv, and it's quite exciting watching minor league baseball again.  I grew up in Calgary watching the Calgary Cannons, and it just has that feel that reminds me as to why I care so much about farm systems and prospects.  Although I feel really bad for the old lady they made dance just to give her some dippin dots as a prize...
TamRa - Tuesday, April 12 2011 @ 01:16 AM EDT (#232560) #
No, top prospect catchers do not usually spend 5 years in the minors. The reason is that there is a balance between development and wear.

There is nothing wrong with Perez beginning 2011 in Lansing, but you don't want him to spend a full year at each stop. Basically, he's got the talents of Craig Biggio, and all going well
he should be in the majors at age 22-23. The major question is whether he should be moved from behind the plate.

As Gerry pointed out, if he did go year by year that would put him in the majors at 24 - how many catchers are ready to start in the majors at 24? The very best are, and i hope he ends up among the very best.

But i don't know that yet. None of us do.

Now, if he's moved out from behind the plate then yeah, push him along
(although the Jays have demonstrated a pretty deliberate slow-promotion approach since AA took over)


Regarding your claim:, i went team by team looking for guys considered to have been highly regarded catching prospects just to find out:
(non-college guys bolded)

Posada - (Septembers aside) reached the majors at 25
Martin - 23
Varitek - 26
Weiters - 23
Arencibia - 25
Navarro - 21 (<what happens when you rush a young latin catcher?)
Santana - 24
Martinez - 24
Mauer - 21 (gold standard)
McCann - 21
Soto - 25
Posey - 23
Y Molina - 21
Buck - 23 (basically spent 6 years in the minors)

Looking particularly at Latin guys, it doesn't seem to me to be wildly slower than usual for a really good player to be 23, 24 when he arrives.

That all the more possible when the team has a bit of a log-jam of players in front of him to sort out and a team philosophy of taking it slow.


All that said, there are of course various scenarios invloving trades, injuries, or performance collapses can change the organizational depth.
Mike Green - Tuesday, April 12 2011 @ 09:18 AM EDT (#232578) #
Posada is a good example of a catcher who was moved through the system with some degree of caution.  His age 19 year was in the NYPL (same as for Perez); his age 20 year was in the Sally League.  At age 21, the Yankees started him at high A ball and move him up at the end of the year to double A, and at age 22, he started the season in triple A, where he struggled for the first time.  The Yankees smartly kept him there until he mastered the level two years later.  Each year, they gave him modest workloads (106-108 games per year and 350 at-bats). 

A year for a level amounts to holding back a good talent, but you do have to watch to make sure that the new level is mastered before sending a player up. 
bpoz - Tuesday, April 12 2011 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#232581) #
Well failure & injuries certainly happen. I would love to see a position player rocket through our system, I think Eric Thames may qualify (little playing time due to injuries) if he stays healthy & has a good AAA season. He has to be protected on the 40 man this off season so maybe he gets a Sept call up. Of course being called up too early does a lot of harm as explained in the past, so maybe I should not wish that.
Since the Minor league season is barely a week old, it is probably too early for promotions.
1) What do we do with the guys replaced Eg C Perez/ AJ Jimenez, also Marisnink & McDade are continuing from last year's success.
2) I want to see what the Jay's do if someone is really excelling. Would 100-200 ABs be enough to determine that it is not just a hot streak.

Maybe after a month some prospects will do very well, thereby testing the go slow policy.




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