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Just a strange, compelling game.


Jays 7, Athletics 6. A win is a win is a win, right? Oakland races out to a 5-0 lead off Jo-Jo Reyes and gives it all back with shoddy fielding. Jason Frasor surrenders a go-ahead homer in the 10th, but Yunel Escobar gets him off the hook with a two-run walkoff shot. I want my team to be convinced they should expect to win. Winning funhouse games like this can only help.

I didn’t have a sense of how Reyes looked on the mound. I was there, but down the first-base side, which is mostly worthless for watching pitchers. The Dome’s radar had Reyes throwing 93, for whatever that’s worth. It seemed like the A’s consciously worked the count in the first three innings, managed to score the first run, and then started bashing Reyes around with singles and doubles when he started to really tire.

It was a wild rollercoaster game, with a lot of unusual and/or interesting little events along the way. Things I'd never seen before, or windows into John Farrell's brain. Things like:

Top 1: Oakland starts Andy LaRoche at shortstop, I guess for his power against the lefty Reyes, in the 9-hole. According to the Baseball Cube, LaRoche had played zero innings at short prior to the 2011 season. He plays there through the top of the sixth, which he leads off with a strikeout. Cliff Pennington replaces him in the bottom half.

Bottom 2: Juan Rivera draws his fourth walk of the year, off Brandon McCarthy, against only one strikeout. Let’s hear it for old guy skills.

Top 3: Scoreless, one out, LaRoche on third, Daric Barton at bat. The at-bat proceeds normally and ends up in a 3-2 count. As Reyes delivers the payoff pitch, all four of the Jays’ infielders charge in from normal depth, anticipating some kind of bunt. Barton swings and misses, strike three. I had never seen anything like this before. The book on Barton is that it’s only worth selling out to prevent the squeeze play in a 3-2 count? Just weird.

Bottom 4: Oakland up 5-0, one out, Escobar on first, Lind at bat. He tags a sharp liner that lands right on the first-base bag and pops straight up into right field, where it’s fielded by Mark Ellis. Score it: “Adam Lind singles on a ground ball to the second baseman.” I’ve never seen anything like that before, and I assume the base is considered part of the ground... right?

Top 6: Carlos Villanueva gets through 2.2 no-hit innings to keep the Jays alive. He does not throw fastballs. Tim Langton butchers his name and sounds condescending, uninterested and oddly timid doing it. The sun sets in the west.

Bottom 6: Oakland up 5-1, none out, Rajai Davis on second after doubling to left past the bunt-prevention defense. Davis breaks for third and gets himself picked off, again, but beats the throw back to second, again. McCarthy spends the rest of the inning worrying about the possibility of a steal of third, regardless of who's on second. Escobar hits a soft grounder to the left side, charged by the third baseman Kouzmanoff. Davis breaks slowly for third, screening Kouzmanoff, with nobody home to cover third. Result: E5, which was changed to an infield hit after Kouz made another error in the same inning.

Next batter is Adam Lind, who pops up into foul territory down the left side, caught on the run by Kouzmanoff. Davis breaks for home and scores easily. Kouzmanoff tries a futile desperation heave to the plate, but slips and spikes the ball straight into the ground. Escobar alertly swipes second. Next batter is Hill. He singles. 5-3. Jays go on to tie the game in the inning, 5-5.

Top 7: Tied 5-5. The Jays have had David Purcey up throughout the bottom of the 6th, probably anticipating a low-leverage long relief situation. The four-spot in the sixth changes all that. Due up for Oakland: Jackson, Josh Willingham and Ellis – three righties. So John Farrell calls on... David Purcey. Who kills them off in order, including two strikeouts.

Top 8: Tied 5-5. Due up: lefty David DeJesus, then righties Kurt Suzuki and Kouzmanoff. Does Purcey stay in to wipe out DeJesus? Nope. In comes sinker-slider guy Shawn Camp, who (predictably?) gives up a sharp groundball single to DeJesus. He then (predictably) K’s Suzuki on a vicious slider. With one out, Kouzmanoff runs the count to 2-1. Camp, sensing a hit-and-run, sets and stays frozen for an eternity. He’s absolutely right, and when he finally delivers, Jackson gets such an awful break that he decides to stay put. Kouzmanoff rolls over the sinker. 6-4-3. Beautiful.

Bottom 8: Tied 5-5, McCarthy inexplicably still in the game to face 3-4-5. I mean, his pitch count was south of 90 and closer Brian Fuentes was unavailable due to blisters, but this just screamed bad idea. Lind leads off. McCarthy throws him a first-pitch curveball in the zone, in hopes that Lind will stupidly put a two-strike swing on it and roll over. Hey, it’s worked before... but not this time. Lind crushes it into the second deck, foul. Strike one, but a good sign, right? Lind singles. Hill lines out sharply to Kouzmanoff for the second time in the game, and McCarthy survives.

Top 9: Jon Rauch gives up a couple of warning-track fly balls, and Davis ends the inning with a spectacular catch to rob Jackson of a go-ahead double. Rauch has been hit very hard in his two showings.

Bottom 9:
Tied 5-5, two out, nobody on, lefty Jerry Blevins pitching. Jose Molina bats for himself.

Top 10: Willingham leads off with a no-doubter to left on a 2-2 slider from Frasor. 6-5, Oakland.

Bottom 10: Davis fights out of an 0-2 hole for a leadoff single against Grant Balfour. Balfour tries to quickly sneak a first-pitch fastball by Escobar. Escobar is ready and drills it the other way into Oakland’s bullpen for a two-run, walk-off homer. Jays win! 11,077 happy people leave the Dome. It'll be pretty tragic if Sunday's game outdraws this whole series.

So a lot of odd stuff happened, and we  have a bit of evidence on how Farrell’s going to manage the bullpen, at least in April. And we’ve seen Jo-Jo Reyes in action. What did you think?

Tonight, round two. Dallas Braden and his eephus-screwball-changeup take on Jesse Litsch and his cutter. The Jays will be without Jose Bautista for the rest of the series (congrats, Jose!) Oakland -110, first pitch 7:07.
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scottt - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 08:30 AM EDT (#232201) #
Jo-Jo has done little to keep him in the rotation. Only Janssen, Rzepcynski and Drabek have options left.

I think Jo-Jo  takes the long relief from Rzepcynski. For a while, anyway.
Gerry - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 08:31 AM EDT (#232202) #

Reyes' last spring training start against Tampa was televised and it was a different Reyes that pitched that night.  In Tampa Reyes was down and in with his fastball all night.  Last night, from the first inning on, Reyes' fastball was up and hittable.  Despite Reyes' trouble with the FB, neither he nor Molina mixed in change-ups and curveballs until the third ior fourth inning.  It was as if the game plan was fastball and slider the first two times through the order and they stuck with that despite Reyes getting hit around.

The question now is was this one bad start for Reyes, or does he have problem controlling his pitches at the major league level?  We will get some answers on Sunday.

Mike Green - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 09:21 AM EDT (#232203) #
Three line drives for Hill is a good sign.  Smacking one on a line to right-centre (did he do that at all last season?) would be even better. 

3-1 on the season, 2-0 in blowouts and 1-1 in close games.  About par for a good team.

With Reyes' short outing, Litsch today and a West Coast swing coming, the bullpen could probably using a rest on Thursday.  No pressure, Ricky, but that's why they pay you the big bucks.

Jdog - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#232204) #
So it looks like Braden is not going to be able to make the start tonight. A's likely to call up Tyson Ross to make the start.
bpoz - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#232205) #
Not sure but I thought Carlos V had options left.

Mike Greens point about the pen possibly being over taxed was interesting. A couple of extra inning games at some point could do it. Zep has 2 options left, I think he burned 1 last year, I don't know how many Janssen has left.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#232206) #
It's refreshing to see that Farrell is obsessive about lefty/righty matchups, slowing down games with multiple pitching changes per inning. I'm a bit surprised he seems to be treating Zep as a short reliever, but we'll see how that plays out over the season.

It's a little frustrating not to see Arencibia pick up a few at-bats when he's not starting. I dig Molinas of all shapes and sizes, but you rarely want to see one hitting in the ninth inning of a tie game.
ayjackson - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 11:34 AM EDT (#232207) #
Not sure how Litsch wouldn't have 2-3 options left.  His appearances in the minors look like only rehab stints or less than the requisite 14 days to burn an option.
ayjackson - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#232208) #
And great game summary, Alex. 
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#232210) #
I must say that I was surprised that Molina got the start at all, what with two day games after night games coming up this week.  I guess that the plan is basically to start Arencibia off as a 1/2 time catcher, and then presumably increase his workload as the season goes on if all is going well. 



uglyone - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#232211) #
"I'm a bit surprised he seems to be treating Zep as a short reliever"

I know people took Rzep's move to the 'pen as a full-on negative step down for him, but I'm convinced that his move to the 'pen had as much (or more) to do with the Jays seeing him as a legit lefty late-inning setup guy as it did with his abilities as a starter.

I think the people who think he's in the 'pen to be a mop-up guy (and an inevitable send down due to options) are going to be surprised - I think he's there to step right into Downs' role.
92-93 - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 12:21 PM EDT (#232212) #
I don't find Farrell's cycling through relievers after they've thrown 10 pitches (and been successful) to be refreshing at all.
Jonny German - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#232215) #
How would you like to see this bullpen run 92-93? In my opinion one inning per appearance is ideal given the personnel. And tho we're only 4 games in we already have evidence that Farrell has a plan for how to adjust when the starter blows up.
Chuck - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#232217) #
I don't find Farrell's cycling through relievers after they've thrown 10 pitches (and been successful) to be refreshing at all.

I wonder if it's not too early to tell. Perhaps he is just trying to ensure that everyone is getting work to start the season.
Kelekin - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#232220) #
When Reyes was taken out of the game, I was surprised to see him back on again - but then I realized that was Purcey.

Honestly though, I've always been a fan of making Reyes a reliever.  I think he has a solid fastball.  Unfortuntely, he spent pretty well the entire game throwing 90% fastballs and 10% sliders and the second he started getting away from the fastball he became really hittable. 

I'm not a big fan of two-pitch pitchers being starters unless they have a plus plus pitch.  I really would like to see Reyes in the bullpen, and have Rzep stretched out some more in AAA.

uglyone - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#232222) #
* Hellickson: 5.2ip, 6h, 2db, 1hr, 3er, 2bb, 10k, 99pc/64st, 2go/3fo, 1.41whip, 4.76era
* KyleDrabek: 7.0ip, 1h, 0db, 0hr, 1er, 3bb, 7k, 101pc/54st, 12go/2fo, 0.57whip, 1.29era

Clearly, Drabek > Hellickson
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#232224) #
Is it wrong to be both (1) thrilled about Escobar's walkoff HR, and (2) annoyed that he simply jogged lightly towards first base after he hit the ball? It could easily have hit off the RF wall instead of clearing it. Not running hard could have cost him an extra base (significant, since it would have been the winning run). Sigh...I guess what you see is what you get with Yunel. Which has been pretty good so far in 2011.
92-93 - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#232225) #
In my opinion one inning per appearance is NEVER ideal, because it's a completely arbitrary cutoff point. Why not see how the pitcher looks and if he's excelling that night, get 2+ innings out of him? I think it's much easier on the arm to throw 80-100 innings in 50 stints, or basically every third day, than to throw 60 innings in 70 appearances and having warmed up in 5-10 other games, or essentially every other night. And if anything, I think the Jays DO have the personnel for multi-inning relief appearances - Purcey, Villanueva, Rzepczynski, and Jannsen are not far removed from starting roles, and shouldn't have a problem throwing 30-40 pitches on a semi regular basis.

In the opener the Blue Jays had a 10-3 lead and had gotten 2 outs from Janssen on 7 pitches when he was pulled for Frasor. Jason needed 10 pitches to get through the 8th inning and, with the lead having now been increased to 13-3, Villanueva was brought out for the 9th inning. If that exact same scenario happened in college there is no way the coach would remove Janssen from the game until he was visibly tiring or allowing the other team to get back into the game, neither of which had happened yet. Using a 3rd RP was even stranger.

The next night, after a tremendous glimpse into Drabek's future, Shawn Camp comes on for the 8th inning with a 5-1 lead. He throws 7 pitches, 5 for strikes, and induces 3 groundballs for a 3 up 3 down inning. The Blue Jays tack on another run in the bottom half, and due up for the Twins is Span-Nishioka-Mauer. Span is significantly better vs. LHP, Nishioka is a switch hitter, Camp was dominant the inning before, and you have a 5 run lead. How necessary was it to bring in a new reliever, a LHP in Rzepczynski?

There were instances in the last two games as well, but I think the point has been made. What I find funny is that while Chuck speculates this is just early season usage to get everybody work, Mike Green worries about an overtaxed bullpen. I'm worried that Farrell is going to run his bullpen in a similar manner to Joe Girardi.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#232226) #
and I'm hoping he runs the bullpen like Madden in TB.
ayjackson - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#232227) #

Sigh...I guess what you see is what you get with Yunel. Which has been pretty good so far in 2011.

In fairness to Junel, he did wait until the ball cleared the fence before removing his helmet and tucking it under his arm.

mathesond - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#232228) #
"Clearly, Drabek > Hellickson"

Well, anyone can tell that just by looking at their uniforms!
Mike Green - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#232230) #
I wasn't intending to be critical of the manager.  I had no difficulty with bullpen usage prior to Monday's day off- i.e. getting everyone some work.  In last night's game, I was pleased that Villanueva was given 2.2 innings.  Like Alex, I wondered why Purcey wasn't left in to face DeJesus, but my light-hearted comments were directed at the immediate future and the extra usefulness of Romero going 8 innings (say) tomorrow in light of Reyes' short outing yesterday and the West Coast trip.   I would love it if Litsch went 7 or 8 innings today to make the comment seem, well, silly, but frankly I will be happy if he pitches into the 6th inning have given up 2 or 3 runs. 
subculture - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#232231) #
Greenfrog, I too for a moment was wondering why Yunel wasn't running harder in case the ball hit off the wall and in play, but then realized that he'd probably over-run Davis, who would be waiting to see if he should be tagging.
Jonny German - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#232233) #
In my opinion one inning per appearance is NEVER ideal, because it's a completely arbitrary cutoff point.

Arbitrary, eh? So the 10 minutes of sitting on the bench between out #3 and the next batter is a total non-factor?

I think it's much easier on the arm to throw 80-100 innings in 50 stints, or basically every third day, than to throw 60 innings in 70 appearances and having warmed up in 5-10 other games, or essentially every other night.

Maybe you're right, tho I have my doubts - more reps at a lighter load sounds like healthier exercise to me. But regardless, how would one begin to prove your way is better? There were only 4 pure relievers who cleared the 80 inning threshhold last year

M. Belisle 92
T. Clippard 91
J. Venters 83
E. Meek 80

No reliever cleared 100 innings. Rightly or wrongly, it's clear that major league managers don't see things your way.

I'm sure there's research out there showing how relievers fare in their 2nd inning of work vs their 1st, I'd like to see it.
ayjackson - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#232234) #
Davis was on first.  Definitely not a tag situation.  He has to score on a double.
raptorsaddict - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#232237) #
"Is it wrong to be both (1) thrilled about Escobar's walkoff HR, and (2) annoyed that he simply jogged lightly towards first base after he hit the ball? It could easily have hit off the RF wall instead of clearing it."

I couldn't agree more, and I only saw it in the replay. The way he ran, I thought it must have been a freakish, opposite field upper deck shot or something. Clearly, it wasn't. Definitely easy to see how he could drive some people crazy with his "attitude". The thing is, I don't think it's malicious or anything like that; but that won't make me any less pissed the first time he makes a "hussle" mistake that costs us.

On the bright side, since one of his non-chalant throws to Lind lead to an E in the spring, he seems to be absolutely gunning it right to him beautifully of late. I guess that just means his vanity over having errors supercedes his vanity over looking pretty when he throws it.
92-93 - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#232238) #

Arbitrary, eh? So the 10 minutes of sitting on the bench between out #3 and the next batter is a total non-factor?

Yes. Or it's as much of a factor as getting a reliever up in the bullpen when things are going poorly, sitting him down when they straighten out, and then getting him back up again 20m later when you are ready to pull the SP. I'm reminded of Villanueva last night, who was up warming during the 3rd inning before eventually coming into the 4th.

But regardless, how would one begin to prove your way is better?

Well, this gets down to the question of whether there are more or less arm injuries today than there were before we had 12 man pitching staffs. All I can say is this - if the Blue Jays can get out of their young arms the type of pre-FA career that Duane Ward had, I'd be thrilled. You can blame his early flameout on the high innings totals, but you can also accept that some guys just get hurt and we know very little as to why and should stop trying to manipulate how we use these guys based on our pre-conceived notions. Clearly the current system is no prize either, and the Blue Jays bullpen is proof positive of that - they have 3 guys on the DL and only Jason Frasor has a history of consistent health.

If he looks tired, take him out. If he doesn't, leave him in. A coach shouldn't need to know the player's pitch count or seasonal innings total when making his in-game decision on how long he should leave a particular guy in for.

I too did not mean to criticize Farrell, as I think it's too early to properly gauge how he's going to handle the arms, and I'm willing to accept that a lot of the usage had to do with Monday's day off and the need to see what these guys have with the upcoming roster decisions involving Dotel, Francisco, and Morrow. I'm just nervous knowing Farrell came from Boston and was a first-hand witness to all those 4.5 hour NYY-BOS games that he'll take too methodical an approach to his bullpen usage.

The Yunel Escobar bunt in the 7th inning was completely unnecessary though, and for that I will rip Farrell. Hopefully the walkoff HR taught him something.

Mike Green - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#232242) #
I see that Mike McCoy is DHing and batting 9th today.  Hmm, never thought that I would see that.
dan gordon - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#232244) #

Great game, nice to win a comeback like that.  You don't often win after being down 5-0.  Disappointing to see there were only 11,000 fans at the game though, especially after the turnouts were so good in the first 3 games.

Snider made a terrific throw early in the game, and turned what looked like an easy double into a close play at 2B.  Throw from the wall was right on the bag.  On the broadcast, Farrell said that Reyes was getting his pitches up in the strike zone and that was why he was getting hit hard.  For a while there it looked like batting practice - everything the A's were hitting was a line drive.  Villanueva's control is not great, but he seems pretty tough to hit.  Good to see Hill hitting the ball hard.  Kouzmanoff could have had 3 errors in the 6th inning - the throwing error he was charged with, the fielding error he was initially charged with, and the aborted attempt to throw home which ended up with him spiking the ball into the turf and Escobar moving up to 2nd on the play.  I was hoping to see Arencibia pinch hit for Molina in the 9th.  They do have an emergency catcher in McDonald.  Davis made a great catch on the deasd run in RCF in the 9th.  Frasor did not look good - yes he struck out three, but he also gave up the HR, hit a batter and and allowed a base hit.  Took 31 pitches to get through the inning and he really seemed to be labouring.

Yah, McCoy DHing doesn't make sense.  EE is playing 3rd and Rivera is playing RF.  Wouldn't it make more sense to have McCoy at 3B instead?  Or RF for that matter?

Ron - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#232245) #
Is the Jays bench even good enough for a AAA team? Did Willy Aybar piss off all 30 GM's? Aybar would upgrade the bench of every single team but he's still a free agent.

I was looking at stats for former Jays and if you don't believe that players can have a fuke season, how do you explain Josh Tower's 2005 campaign?
eudaimon - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#232247) #
This is a good article about it:

It's probably because his offense and defense have faltered.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#232248) #
You can blame [Ward's] early flameout on the high innings totals

I certainly do. Cito Gaston broke Duane Ward. At least he learned from the experience.

Ward's IP totals were extremely high, of course - he pitched more than 100 IP in relief five years in a row (1988-1992), and in 1990 he worked the insanely high total of 127 innings. It's my belief that no hard thrower can do this, in relief, and have a long career. Tom Henke and Mike Timlin, from the same team and the same era, never threw 100 IP in relief, not even once.

Anyway - Ward was the last Jays reliever to top 100 innings, and since Ward only two Toronto relievers have even thrown as many as 80 innings in relief. Both were special cases (both also came to the majors as starters, although that's always been true of most relievers anyway.) One was Danny Cox in 1993 (44 games, 83.2 IP). Cox had been an effective starter for the Cardinals, but injuries had lain waste to his career (if you remember his motion, you'll know why). Gaston squeezed one very useful year out of Cox by handlling him like a starter - assuming he needed a couple of days rest after every appearance, but using him for longer stretches than the average reliever. Hence the extremely unusual games to innings pitched ratio.

The other guy was Paul Quantrill, and the Q was simply a freak, someone who actually needed to almost every day. Quantrill topped 80 relief innings for pitch the Jays four times, and each time he was making almost 80 appearances.
eudaimon - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#232249) #
Not sure where the link went, lol. Oh well.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/where-is-willy-aybar/
scottt - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#232250) #
I see that Mike McCoy is DHing and batting 9th today.  Hmm, never thought that I would see that.

DHing? Batting 9 makes a lot of sense.
Magpie - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#232251) #
how do you explain Josh Tower's 2005 campaign?

It looks like a fluke year - it was actually mostly a fairly normal year, but it ended with an remarkable two month hot streak when he pitched the best ball of his career. Which had to happen at some point during his career, and this is when it did.

Which is probably where most fluke "years" come from - just an extended hot streak in the midst of a normal season. All Star games are littered with guys who did this in the first half of the season...
scottt - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#232252) #
So it looks like Braden is not going to be able to make the start tonight. A's likely to call up Tyson Ross to make the start.


I think they called Ross as a precaution. Weird move.

Mike Green - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#232253) #
A little better than expected from Litsch and then Zep does his thing. Nice.
BlueJayWay - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#232254) #
Beautiful bullpen management by Farrell today.  Love seeing Scrabble start the ninth against the lefty.  It's so clearly the right move, and yet so many managers wouldn't have done it.  Refreshing.

Escobar has started this season off hot, after a great spring.  I hope typical Blue Jay luck doesn't strike and there isn't some long term concussion issue.  I fear the worst.

Ron - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#232256) #
It looks like a fluke year - it was actually mostly a fairly normal year, but it ended with an remarkable two month hot streak when he pitched the best ball of his career. Which had to happen at some point during his career, and this is when it did.

Which is probably where most fluke "years" come from - just an extended hot streak in the midst of a normal season. All Star games are littered with guys who did this in the first half of the season...

I remember being stunned at how Towers morphed into Halladay after Mench ended Halladay's season. When I see a pitcher/player perform like that for an "extended" stretch I wonder why can't they play like that all the time.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 06 2011 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#232257) #
the better Litsch and Rzep do, the sooner the Reyes experiement ends.

go Litsch and Rzep!
katman - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 12:15 AM EDT (#232258) #
Go Reyes too! He has the stuff. If we're the ones he puts it all together for, that's a tremendously valuable piece of a future championship puzzle (even if the piece is "part of trade x"). This is the kind of year where you need to try things like this, preferably for an extended period.
christaylor - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 12:56 AM EDT (#232259) #
" I'm just nervous knowing Farrell came from Boston and was a first-hand witness to all those 4.5 hour NYY-BOS games that he'll take too methodical an approach to his bullpen usage."

So you'd trade wins for shorter games and less methodological bullpen usage?

5 games in and I've been nothing but happy with AA's choice to manage. The decisions I don't like (Rivera) have nothing to do with him.
mathesond - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 01:57 AM EDT (#232260) #
I just got home after mossing watching the game due to a) not having a rogers digital package that includes Sportsnet One, and b) seeing the Old 97s kick some serious tail down at the Horseshoe (after seeing them once, well, if they called me up and asked me to roadie for them, I'd say yes). Glad to read that Snider got his first, and am hoping Escobar doesn't ahve to go through the extended DL time that Hill, Koskie, and Morneau all dealt with. (Is is just me, or do MLB players seem to suffer worse concussions than NHL/NFL players?)
TamRa - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 04:56 AM EDT (#232261) #
Jo-Jo has done little to keep him in the rotation. Only Janssen, Rzepcynski and Drabek have options left.

Villianuva and Litsch do as well. And presumably Cecil albeit he's just as presumably not in any danger.


I think Jo-Jo  takes the long relief from Rzepcynski. For a while, anyway.


that would be interesting except Zep isn't the long reliever.

a. Farrell has said he doesn't have or want a "long reliever"; and

b. Zep has clearly been handed the late inning role based on Farrell's comments and his useage so far.

Magpie - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 07:03 AM EDT (#232262) #
do MLB players seem to suffer worse concussions than NHL/NFL players?

Brett Lindros, Alyn McAuley, Marc Savard probably wouldn't agree. I have no idea myself. On the one hand, baseball players are often wearing no head protection. On the other hand, head trauma is unusual in baseball. Whereas it seems to occur regularly in hockey, and of course it is the very fabric of football. (As far as I can tell, football players simply carry on, however concussed they may be, and then die young...)
Shane - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 07:19 AM EDT (#232263) #
Today's Toronto Star article headline "Jesse Litsch delivers for Jays in costly win over A’s". This crap annoys me. Can we atleast wait until the medical news actually comes in on Escobar before we start howling and balling about Escobar's sky is falling. No stupid headline titles at the Globe, or the Sun. Rationality as usual with the Globe: "Escobar will be examined overnight after collision at Rogers Centre". Toronto Star, get a grip.
AWeb - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 08:11 AM EDT (#232264) #

do MLB players seem to suffer worse concussions than NHL/NFL players?
I think it partially goes to the selection process for the pros in baseball - it doesn't involve, usually, the ability to withstand head trauma. hockey and football eliminate players that get the bell rung too easily when they are still kids. Boxing/MMA might be the most extreme - hardly any fighter makes it to the big time without an ability to withstand concussions in the short term much better than the average person. But baseball doesn't provide this mechanism (which is good). At least that is my theory...

Baseball is also the sport with the most precision of the three, which might make it the most difficult to play at 85% mentally. hitting especially  - if you can't focus properly, you might not be able to hit anything.

scottt - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 08:22 AM EDT (#232265) #
If Escobar needs a few days off, that would leave the Jays with a really short bench tonight, unless they put him on that new 7 days DL.





Magpie - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 08:52 AM EDT (#232266) #
I'm just nervous knowing Farrell came from Boston and was a first-hand witness to all those 4.5 hour NYY-BOS games that he'll take too methodical an approach to his bullpen usage.

I'm not sure why those games are so long - and heaven knows they are - but neither Francona nor Girardi use more relievers than the average manager, and Francona also had the Slowest Hook in the AL, by quite a bit.

Now if Joe Maddon were managing against Ron Washington, the constant pitching changes would have me wandering outside to watch the grass grow... suggesting changes to the rules...

Mike Green - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 08:52 AM EDT (#232267) #
I was thinking about management's approach to Yunel/Lenny before last night's injury (which hopefully is inconsequential). It seems pretty clear to me that when he doesn't run hard on a ball he should, or when he makes a casual play defensively, it is not really a question of "not caring".  It is simply that his head is in the clouds sometimes. 

The package that he brings to a club- good plate control, some pop, pretty good speed and a good balance of defensive skills more than makes up for his periodic loss of focus (frustrating as that may be for a manager).  I can see how he might have run into problems in Atlanta, but also how a patient manager could really help him.


Chuck - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 09:32 AM EDT (#232268) #

Alas, Escobar seems to be cut from the Alex Rios cloth.

Tremendously athletic, many things have likely come very easily to him over his life, so he hasn't had to succeed as a thinker. Now he just needs some tough love or coddling or some mixture of the two. I like that the seemingly level-headed Bautista is taking on the role of mentor/babysitter, much like Fred McGriff did for Gary Sheffield in San Diego. Without having any way of knowing, my instincts would be that this type of leadership would be more effective coming from a teammate than from a coach or manager.

I would never expect Escobar to be truly "reformed", but there is much to be harnessed with some modest behavioural changes.

Anders - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#232269) #
I'm not sure why those games are so long.

Well, this probably. In case the link shows weird, it's swinging at pitches outside of the zone, and the Yankees and Red Sox are 1 and 2 in baseball last year in fewest swings (for what it's worth, the Jays swung the most.) It's not a perfect proxy for P/PA (which I couldn't find on a team level), but my guess would be is that the Yankees and Red Sox take more pitches than any other teams.

Other, game related observations: Travis Snider's arm really has improved dramatically. And Scrabble is going to make a start by June. He's looked vicious.
BalzacChieftain - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#232270) #

For those wondering, Escobar is not in the lineup this afternoon according to Shi Davidi's latest tweet. 

Related to Zep - I like him in the role he played last night.  High leverage situations, can get righties out but is also very tough on lefties.  Not that he couldn't ever be a decent starter, but with Morrow coming back soon and Stewart perhaps not too far off, I don't think there's a whole lot of room for him in the rotation unless there are some future gaps.

Hodgie - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#232271) #
"hockey and football eliminate players that get the bell rung too easily when they are still kids."

I can't speak for football only having played a couple of years of high school ball but as someone that has played and coached hockey for the last 30 years I can say this premise doesn't fit with my own observations. Generally, players that make it to the advanced levels are more physically mature at a younger age in addition to being supremely talented. As such, this seldom places these players in any real sort of danger on the ice in their formative years and it is not until they begin playing with players of comparative skill and physical maturity that issues like these become apparent. The Lindros brothers were perhaps the most pertinent example of this, children in adult bodies that were never really placed in harms way until having to play against the Scott Stevens of the world on a nightly basis.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 10:01 AM EDT (#232273) #
My suggestion for Escobar would be neither coddling nor yelling, but rather extremely calm suggestion.  The tricky part might occur in a year or two when Hechevarria is ready, as I don't think Escobar would respond well to a request to move.  Much can happen between now and then, though. 
Chuck - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 10:30 AM EDT (#232276) #

My suggestion for Escobar would be neither coddling nor yelling, but rather extremely calm suggestion. 

You're probably a better parent than I am. I eventually get to extremely calm suggestion, but not until after an entirely ineffective rant and entirely ineffective pleading.

Bautista's counsel to Escobar can be simple: "I listened to my coaches. I worked very hard. I now make millions. This can be you."

subculture - Thursday, April 07 2011 @ 11:28 AM EDT (#232281) #

Yes, there are definitely similarities between Rios and Escobar.  Ironically without the 'trade' of Rios, Jose Bautista would not have had the same opportunity to show his new abilities.

Escobar may HAVE to move positions in a few years... his frame seems like it will continue to grow, and he may lose his range sooner than later.  Watching him run out that triple brought back memories of Raul Mondesi...

AWeb - Friday, April 08 2011 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#232403) #
This seems the most relevant thread for the news that Manny Ramirez just retired after apparently getting caught by the MLB drug policy again. So yeah, I think Tampa's season is not going to shape up like they hoped...

I'm kind of stunned, but assuming a few things (if he ever comes back, he faces a long suspension before he plays again), I'm guessing he's gone forever. Manny Ramirez, the only guy flaky enough to get caught by this system twice.

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