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With pitchers and catchers already in camp and the balance of the squad arriving on Friday, Dunedin began the annual welcome of the Toronto Blue Jays to this delightful Florida coastal town just west of Tampa Bay.   The traditional welcome of the Jays is the address by a Toronto executive to the Dunedin Council of Organizations (DCO), a 100 strong group of local opinion leaders, community activists and volunteers.



This year the DCO was treated to an informative talk by Tony LaCava, the Jays’ Assistant General Manager for Player Personnel.  LaCava was joined on the dias by Dunedin’s “Mr. Blue Jay”, Ken Carson, who spent 25+ years with the Jays as their first Trainer and later Director of Florida Operations and now a Sr. Consultant with the team.  LaCava announced that Carson had been recently named Executive Vice President of the Florida State League.  He will continue his current duties with the Blue Jays.

LaCava discussed the Jays management’s vision for the team going forward.  First, there will be a concerted effort to build depth through player deals and scouting to lay in the necessary talent to improve the Jays’ win column.  LaCava said that  “Alex Anthopoulos is becoming known as a GM who is willing to put his money where his mouth is.”  Plus, LaCava, who has a scouting background like Anthopoulos, said that the team now has grown to 53 scouting personnel on staff.

“That’s a real army working for us in the scouting department,” added LaCava.  The scouting staff has divided their attention three ways - professional, amateur and Latin America.  “We are especially proud that we had a good signing year in the 2010 Draft.  Fortunately, with the $11.6 million available to us, we were able to put on a total of 20 signees with bonuses of at least six figures, “ said LaCava.

LaCava also noted the team’s commitment to Latin America with the newly improved academy now operating in the Dominican Republic to identify and develop young talent.

Responding to a question regarding Toronto’s status as just another mid-market team in baseball, LaCava agreed that Toronto was the 4th or so largest metro area in North America.  “But more significantly,” he said, “we are now in a position to invest in winning.  Mr. (Paul) Beeston has said that the Blue Jays brand is not just a Toronto brand.  We intend to continue the brand’s development into a nation-wide all Canada brand, from coast to coast.”  Noting that, “everyone understands that winning is the key,” LaCava says the new organization is ready take on the challenges of the Eastern Division of the American League.  “Our goal is 85 wins and then we can go from there,” he said.

LaCava said he is happy with the development in the Jays minor league system, noting that the Jays have been ranked as high as number 4 in prospects.  He said that two new teams have been added to the farm club organization, Bluefield, WV and Vancouver, BC (short season), “with the goal of providing a proper place for our young talent to play early as they work their way up the organization.”

Quickly commenting on the Jose Bautista deal, LaCava said the 5 year deal “reflects the team’s confidence in Jose as a producer plus he has become a leader, instilling in other players the importance of their own accountability.”

Noting that new manager John Farrell and his own staff have solid experience as players and coaches understand and have committed to upper managements plan.  He added, “they know what they have to do.”

Hazarding a guess at the way the Jays lineup is looking for 2011, LaCava said that expectations are that the position list will look as follows:

LF                           Travis Snider

CF                           Rajai Davis – his speed is an asset and he looks like a great leadoff hitter.

RF                           Juan Rivera

3B                           Jose Bautista

SS                           Yunel Escobar – Yunel will be a great partner for Bautista on the left side of the field.

2B                           Aaron Hill

1B                           Adam Lind

C                             J.P. Arencibia - His outstanding work at AAA last year helped him get ready this year.

DH                          Edwin Encarnacion – EE has been “struggling” defensively, but his bat is still an asset.

 

LaCava said that the pitching staff is developing nicely with some strong starters ermerging like Brett Cecil and Brandon Morrow and hopefully Kyle Drabek, Jesse Litsch and others.  And the bullpen is also being rebuilt with the likes of Frank Francisco, Octavio Dotel, Jon Rauch, Casey Janssen, David Purcey and others.

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pooks137 - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 09:01 AM EST (#230633) #

Thank you very much for your contribution mamboon.

One note, I winced every time that I came across your spelling of Anthopoulos. You may want to consider changing to the correct the spelling.

Jonny German - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 09:28 AM EST (#230635) #
If only "Anthopolis" was the only wincer...

Tony Lacava
Domican Republic
John Ferrell
Raji Dais
Jose Bauista
Edwin Encarcion
Jansen

And on an unrelated note, but to keep all my criticism in one post... that blue in the middle of the banner is just hideous. There was too much grey previously, but this is not progress.
christaylor - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 09:50 AM EST (#230636) #
I'll second the criticism of the blue -- for me it isn't so much that it IS blue, but the hue/saturation of the blue both clashes with the blue around "BATTER'S BOX" and in the uniforms. While eye-catching, which is generally a good thing, the blue perceptually becomes foreground -- downing out the site name, which is a shame, because I've always really liked the font/style of the site title in the banner.

That said, the photo choices were quite good.
#2JBrumfield - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 09:53 AM EST (#230637) #

You may want to consider changing to the correct the spelling.

I love it when people call out others for incorrect grammar and then screw up themselves.  We all make mistakes and the article has now been edited.  At least mamboon took the time to give us an interesting feature and you have to go and crap all over it.

that blue in the middle of the banner is just hideous. There was too much grey previously, but this is not progress.

Enough work has been done on the banner already so it's not changing any time soon!  The shades are in the mail.  Thanks for commenting and happy Monday morning!

christaylor - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 10:07 AM EST (#230638) #
Back to baseball discussion -- I am truly disappointed that the Jays are even considering going with Rivera in RF. He has only played more than 38 games in RF once in his career and that in 2004 with the Expos. His bat has been good exactly once, in 2006.

The only upside is that it is a signal that Lawrie will probably get a real shot.
Original Ryan - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 10:12 AM EST (#230639) #
Thank you to Mamboon for the interesting article.

However, I must agree with the others and say that the electric blue in the banner is a bit much. It clashes with the colours in the logos and images.
TamRa - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 11:18 AM EST (#230640) #
I continue to dispair that they don't at least try Snider in RF.

it's not like Rivera is all that on defense, and if Snider plays a competent right, you have less shuffling around when Pods or Patterson get to play, plus, an obvious opening for Thames should he force the issue.

If you try him over there this year and he's weak, he won't be much worse there than Rivera  and the question will be answered - and he can move back over next year when Bautista/Lawrie would presumably be the leading candidate for RF

rtcaino - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 11:20 AM EST (#230641) #
Thanks mamboon!

Interesting info, I was not even aware such an event existed! BBox spies are everywhere.
jvictor - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 11:48 AM EST (#230643) #
You critics are making a mockery of Family Day.
DJR - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 12:11 PM EST (#230645) #

"Our goal is 85 wins and then we can go from there,” he said.

What an odd statement.   

Going to give LaCava a mulligan on this one as I think both the GM and Farrel are on record as saying there is no target number, and it would not mak much sense to say we need to repeat 85 wins.

CeeBee - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 12:25 PM EST (#230646) #
Thanks for the report mamboon :) Don't lose too much sleep over the comments. I'm human too and make plenty of goof-ups.... just ask my wife ;0
BalzacChieftain - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 12:30 PM EST (#230648) #

For the record, I'm a little concerned about Snider's "twinge of the rib cage."  I hope this isn't something that recurs over the course of the season. 

bpoz - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 12:39 PM EST (#230649) #
Thanks Mamboon. I believe you live in Dunedin and so see a lot of the D-Jays, Lugnut Fan in Lansing and Gerry all over the place. I appreciate all your efforts & also the efforts of everyone else that contributes but that I have not named. Also the analysis & insight of readers help contribute to a person looking into the game as deeply as they wish.

Things like a players size, bat speed, other speeds or lack of, improvements in various aspects eg this pitcher has grown & filled out and now his FB Is higher by 4 mph etc. Also I learned that poor results for a pitcher are due to him using pitches that are "a work in progress" rather than his best pitch, for the benefit of his development. I would never know this without the efforts of the contributers to this site.

Cheers & a very BIG Thank You!!!
BalzacChieftain - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 12:48 PM EST (#230650) #
Agreed with the majority of posters above on mamboon's feature: it's quite advantageous and rather a treat to have someone so close to the ground in Spring Training with the kindness to post a briefing on the meeting.
bpoz - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 01:03 PM EST (#230651) #
TamRa, I too would like to see Snider tried in RF.

I too have heard AA, Farrell, Beeston & others say things that contradict each other. I don't know who gets to make the decision. I will wait until the games start being played to figure out positions.

On a ST note last year M McDade got to play a fair bit IMO in the games and then had a very good year. Since he was a favorite of mine my interest perked up. Having someone like Mamboon there to comment on inquiries about various players is great because it gives me a heads up in following certain prospects especially the unknowns that out perform expectations, like J Carreno.
Mylegacy - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 01:29 PM EST (#230653) #
It may just be the scotch speaking - but - I like the bawdy buxom blue around "Batter's Box."
ayjackson - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 01:35 PM EST (#230654) #

Thanks mamboon for the insight.

And thank you JG for pointing out the spelling errors early in the thread.  I understand editors aren't always available at post time and having feedback from Bauxites is likely appreciated by most of the writing roster.

There's always been a high standard to the content here, which is why many of us frequent the site for Jays banter.

ayjackson - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 01:38 PM EST (#230655) #

If I'm correct about the blue around the baseball in the banner, it started out being wider than the other two segments, then appeared to be of similar width to the other two segments, now appears to be a blip of blue in the middle of the banner. 

For the record, I liked it when it was in equal proportion.  And I'm generally with mylegacy on the boldness.  Like scotch, it may be an acquired taste, but then, so is baseball.

DaveB - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 02:08 PM EST (#230656) #
Thanks for the update Mamboom.  Please don't let the Monday morning critics stop you from filing more first-hand reports from Dunedin. I appreciate having some local eyes on the team and its FSL prospects.

I too found the "85 wins" comment to be a little odd, but only because LaCava is not parroting the public company line. It's not an unrealistic goal and could  reflect the private opinions of AA and Farrell. It's also the minimum number of wins he could mention without implying the team will take a step backward this year. He may get a reminder from AA to remain on point in the future.

The lineup projection is the most likely given the roster and the comments to date by AA. I don't expect Rivera to be the regular RF this season. The regular RF is under contract for $64 million. We'll either see Encarnacion have a miraculous improvement at 3B in spring training or, more likely, the team acquire a 3B before Opening Day. AA has done a fantastic job this off-season but I think he's still one player short of crossing off his entire shopping list. Perhaps he wants to see how everyone looks at camp before deciding on the final complementary piece.

Great work on the new banner and choice of pictures. My only critical comment is that there is probably enough blue in the logo, Jose's uniform and the link bar to make the blue ball shadow unnecessary. 

China fan - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 02:25 PM EST (#230658) #

....I think he's still one player short of crossing off his entire shopping list....

I agree that Anthopolous is probably shopping for a 3B, even as we speak, and I'm wondering if anyone can speculate intelligently on whom he might be targeting for acquisition.  I think we all agree that it's not Michael Young!   One possibility was Felipe Lopez, until he signed with Tampa.  There was also the rumor about Figgins or Kouzmanoff, which seems to have fizzled completely.  Can anyone suggest a reasonable 3B who might be available and might therefore be the target of an Anthopolous trade or signing?

aaforpm - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 02:57 PM EST (#230661) #
I don't expect the Jays to bring in any third baseman because I can't think of any interesting projects that are available.  If the Jays were high on Alex Gordon I think they would have brought him in already, the price cannot possible be that high.  Figgins would be a commitment that makes no sense when Lawrie should be ready next year.  Joe Crede is always injured and cannot be depended on, while it seems that no one, including the Angels, really likes the idea of giving Brandon Wood another chance (besides me).  So it seems that none of the alternatives are interesting enough to give up on the idea of Rivera using the friendly confines of the Dome to play himself into trade bait or a draft pick (via type B free agent status).  Personally, even though I'm not particularly high on Rivera either, I would be more interested to see whether he can accomplish something this year in order to get us that prospect/draft pick than watching a low-ceiling good defense third baseman like Kouzmanoff (I think his D is good, I'm not sure) all year.  Sure he may provide more consistent results but it's not like he's the difference between making or not making the playoffs.   It won't kill Bautista to play some third base until Lawrie is ready, I think we paid him enough to make that sort of sacrifice for the team + he does seem like a team first sort of guy.

Just my two cents

mamboon - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 04:11 PM EST (#230663) #
Pooks, CeeBee, Jonny, Ayjackson -  #2JBrumfield, thanks for the edits-  My sincere apologies to my fellow Bauxites.  I did most of the piece on my smart phone and then transferred it to my desktop in the middle of the night.  Used the undedited piece instead of the final to copy in the system this morning.  Will exercise more caution in the future by sobering up my best editor.  You'd think the Jays could have a Smiht or a Jonse in camp this spring.  Thanks.
Original Ryan - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 04:22 PM EST (#230664) #
You'd think the Jays could have a Smiht or a Jonse in camp this spring.

At least we no longer have to worry about Steib or Clemons.  :-)
Denoit - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 04:22 PM EST (#230665) #
I can't see them pursuing a 3B unless its an extreme short term solution. They have Bautista who can plan there, and I would think they could play him there the entire year if need be.  Despite the perception of not having many internal options, I don't see it being a problem going forward. This year Bautista, next year Lawrie, or possibly Hill. As well Anthopolous has the ability to pull rabbits out of hats.



bpoz - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 04:29 PM EST (#230666) #
Nice one Mamboon!!!

When do the minor leaguers report?

I am interested in who throws in the high 90s.

Lets flood the site with baseball stuff. I know that Accounting and Finance numbers are joyful but lets hear that PLAY BALL shouted.

subculture - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 04:37 PM EST (#230667) #
So how does the bench look given the starters listed?  Molina, J-Mac, Pods and Lawrie?  I like that combination of speed, defense, veteran savvy + high-ceiling potential!  I'd prefer not getting another 3b, and giving Lawrie a chance to show his abilities and maturity.  EE is more than good as a backup 3b, and I'm not ready to give up on Rivera who just might benefit from a scenery change to the Rogers centre.
Gerry - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 04:38 PM EST (#230668) #

Minor leaguers report around March 5th or 6th.

Minor league games start around March 16th.

bpoz - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 05:04 PM EST (#230669) #
Thanks Gerry.

Subculture... AA spoke about the bench. From what I can recall, he does not see it as a 3 or 4 man bench but as many, many more players. This is all a part of his concept of Depth. So Patterson or Scott P may give T Snider a rest now and then, but if Snider is injured and gone for 1 month then the best of players on the 25 Scott P or the 40 Mastro or a minor leaguer E Thames would be the replacement.
When it comes to pitching the options increase for replacements for all reasons. Injuries & poor performance are a big part of how the "bench" would be used.

I hope I did not misunderstand you.
TamRa - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 06:06 PM EST (#230673) #
Scotty Pods has Plantar Fiscitus (sp) - stick a fork in him. No way he can nurse THAT injury on the rug.

(not that there's a rug in Dunedin but it's the sort of thing that can linger a long long time.

ZekeBella - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 06:32 PM EST (#230674) #
I have no problem with the banner colour. What I have a big problem with is what I call the Blue Jays "softball" sweaters. I know everyone wears the colored tops now but some of them are very classy. I find the Jays' solid green and black appalling. If they have to wear something like that why can't they put some piping on them like the other teams do?  When I go to Toronto for games I  always try for a Friday night game (all things beinfg equal) rather than Sunday because I know Sunday is solid green or black day and Friday is real uniform night.  I guess I am a lone wolf on this one but maybe now is a good time to bring it up while we wait for spring training games to start. Anyone on my side here? Any other uniform comments?  I also am still mourning the loss of the cutout stirrups but I am afraid they will never come back and we will have to look at the Prince with his "pants on the ground" or the opposite look with the solid socks almost to the knee. Anybody too young to remember them take a look .   http://thatsmyboy03.com/october2007.htm   Now that's classy!
Mike Green - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 08:20 PM EST (#230677) #
TamRa, it's plantar fascitis.  The fascia is connective tissue immediately below the skin.
pooks137 - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 09:08 PM EST (#230680) #
Where'd did you get wind of Pods' fasciitis,TamRa?

I play doctor during the day while I'm not reading about the Jays.

That diagnosis never truly goes away and the turf is the opposite of what the doc orders.

Seems like a death knell for a guy who's one tool is speed.
baagcur - Monday, February 21 2011 @ 10:26 PM EST (#230681) #
Not sure why my comment didn't stay up last time

I was just pointing out that changing one line of CSS should be enough to amend the colour if that was required
dan gordon - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 12:07 AM EST (#230683) #

Rotoworld mentions that Podsednik's condition is indeed plantar fasciitis.   Plantar fasciitis is very painful.  Makes it hard to walk, let alone run.  It can last for over a year and is difficult to treat.

Troubling to see that Snider has an injury again.  Hurt himself playing golf.  He may be one of those guys who will always have a tough time staying healthy.

Nice to see reports that Dustin McGowan is pitching and looking very impressive.  No problems with his shoulder so far.  I'd pretty much written him off, but maybe he's not done yet.  What a nice boost that would be for the organization.

Surprising to hear Rajai Davis described as a "great" leadoff hitter.  Career OBP of .330.  He is a long, long way from being a "great" leadoff hitter.

Richard S.S. - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 05:51 AM EST (#230685) #

...it's plantar fascitis.  The fascia is connective tissue immediately below the skin.

     Former Toronto Raptor Star Chris Bosh has had it all his career, and he's only missed time when it gets really severe.   So if backup outfielder can't handle it, while a Basketball Star can, I would write Scott Podsednik out of any Starting 25 plans I had.

...I agree that Anthopolous is probably shopping for a 3B,...

     http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bautijo02.shtml    Jose Bautista plays 357 games at 3B, 209 at RF, 127 at CF / LF and 14 at 1B / 2B.   So Alex has to get a 3B because you don't think Bautista is good enough.   Nonsense.   http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lawrie001bre and http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/la/brett-lawrie-1.html and http://www.rototimes.com/mlb/player/7416   tells me Brett Lawrie has an excellent chance of making it, first as a 3B or later as a RF.   So Alex has to get a 3B because you don't think a Blue Ribbon / Stud like Brett Lawrie can be a good enough.   Nonsense.  

... AA spoke about the bench...

     Alex said he would be upgrading the bench if he can.   He's waiting for players, on other teams, to be placed on waivers, offered for trade or released by March 28, so as to only pay a small portion of a contract.   Jose Molina doesn't make the 25-man roster, if A.A. finds someone better.   Neither, Patterson nor Podsednik will make the 25-man roster if A.A. finds someone better.   Even favorite John McDonald won't make the 25-man roster if A.A. finds someone(s) better (depending on a 3 or 4-man Bench).

     Starting pitching / relief decisions and bench acquisitions will keep the pre-season interesting.

John Northey - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 09:55 AM EST (#230686) #
Third base, if AA gets someone, should be no more than a one year solution unless a killer stud is made available. Lawrie should be able to handle it as early as April, while Bautista should be able to do one more year there. I think the challenge is long term - who plays where in 2-3-4 years - since this years lineup seems set for now, again with the condition of 'if some stud is available grab him'.
bpoz - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 10:09 AM EST (#230687) #
I think you are right on Richard SS about 3B & the bench. It will be interesting to see how out of options & Arb eligible cuts come into play as ST winds down.
China fan - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 10:27 AM EST (#230688) #

Of course the 3B issue is purely for 2011, not for future years.  And it's nothing to do with Bautista or Lawrie, obviously, despite what Richard SS seems to think.  Of course Bautista can handle 3B, but he'd be better this year in RF, where he'd be replacing the mediocre Rivera.  Lawrie could be a fine solution at 3B in 2012, but virtually nobody believes that he is ready now.

Richard makes a good point about Podsednik's injury.  It's not necessarily a serious long-term injury.  But one issue is -- when did he get it?  He claims that he got it immediately after he was signed by the Jays, not before, but I'm sure some people in Jays management are wondering.  I would assume that the Jays did a medical exam on Podsednik before signing him, but when exactly was it done? 

Original Ryan - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 10:43 AM EST (#230689) #
I read in an article yesterday (I forget which site) that a medical exam is not required before signing a minor-league contract.  It's possible the Blue Jays didn't get Podsednik checked out before signing him.
Maldoff - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 11:04 AM EST (#230691) #

On ESPN.com today, Keith Law mentioned that "...he has speed and a ton of energy, he doesn't have the kind of lateral agility you like to see in infielders. He plays second base at the moment and is better suited to that position than third base, although there's a strong sentiment in the industry that he'll end up in an outfield corner."

Maybe we still need a 3B option....

DJR - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 11:31 AM EST (#230693) #

Maybe.  I just don't know what "strong sentiment in the industry" means or if Keith Law has actually seen the player he's talking about. 

I am skeptical about how the Blue Jays can be confident he'll fit at 3B, given that this was an off-season trade for a player that did not play winter ball.  It feels like a roll of the dice to see if there's that little bit more value in Lawrie. 

subculture - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 11:33 AM EST (#230694) #

As I believe the priority for 2011 is developing Lawrie as a 3B (or OF?) versus contending, I'd rather see Lawrie getting MLB coaching and at-bats at those positions, which would be hampered by signing a full-time 3B or OF. 

Do the Jays benefit by keeping Lawrie in the minors for the beginning of the year?  If so, then I guess it would make sense to play him everyday in the minors until that date, by which time maybe AA has traded the hot-starting Rivera for another key piece of the future puzzle :)

In either scenario, I'd prefer NOT getting someone that would block even 2nd-half 2011 MLB playing time for Lawrie.  A super-utility player (that could also DH against tough RHPs) would be ideal IMO.

Thanks bpoz, that helps.  I really like the idea of using the roster to its strengths and planning for injuries (and slumps?)... seems more flexible than last year's approach which included rarely taking advantage of platooning or in-game switches based on matchups.

Chuck - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 12:07 PM EST (#230695) #

Do the Jays benefit by keeping Lawrie in the minors for the beginning of the year? 

There's always the threat of Super-2 qualification that motivates teams to keep players in the minors until about June. But, of course, Lawrie only just turned 21, so the argument that he needs seasoning would be a reasonable one.

Forkball - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 12:47 PM EST (#230699) #
Plantar fasciitis isn't a one-size fits all condition, and in fact it's very broad.  Someone could recover from that in a week or not at all (or every point in between).  Unless there's specific feedback from the team/player/Dr on the player you can't really tell the recovery time from afar.
pooks137 - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 02:39 PM EST (#230700) #
As a physician myself, i would be very interested in knowing what exactly a standard professional sports physical prior to signing standard contracts or with trades involves.

I can certainly admit that i have no scientific way of screening for athletic conditions like plantar fasciitis in regular people at my office. I also don't really have it on my radar unless someone tells me their foot aches or they are limping.

I'm by no means a sports medicine expert, but I can't imagine how'd you pick up on these things unless you ran them through a workout or did an MRI on every joint.

I wouldn't be surprised if pitchers got routine MRIs on their throwing shoulders and elbows looking for tears but as a doctor, I'm not very good at picking up conditions that people don't complain to me about.
Kelekin - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 03:29 PM EST (#230704) #
Great article Mamboon! I know that I for one have been critical before of your spelling, and really the only reason is because I find it one of those disrespectful things to incorrectly spell a player's name.  But there has never been any doubt in my mind that content like this is fantastic, despite any spelling issues. =) Keep it up.
rtcaino - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 04:24 PM EST (#230705) #

There's always the threat of Super-2 qualification that motivates teams to keep players in the minors until about June.

And the moving super two target date: as more teams keep their guys down, they date for eligibility keeps receeding.

I wonder how concerned AA is about this. While I do not expect Lawrie to be ready until at least June, what with the new position and all. Drabek projects to be a guy that could crack the line up, and benefit significantly from and extra arb year.

China fan - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 05:17 PM EST (#230707) #
Pooks137, that's a very good point about the difficulty of detecting plantar fasciitis.  And this would seem to heighten the danger of friction between Podsednik and the Jays.  If they suspect him of hiding a pre-existing problem, which he knew about but did not disclose, he could be in their doghouse.  It's somewhat odd that this condition would suddenly flare up in his foot, just days after he signed the deal with the Jays, and I wonder if they're suspicious.
bpoz - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 06:20 PM EST (#230709) #
Pooks137, I am diabetic but not very serious, I take some Metformin. I know a couple of years ago a silly little scrape on my shin took 6 weeks to heal rather than the usual 1-2 weeks.

Dustin McGowan is a severe diabetic. IMO that is why his shoulder is taking so long to heal. But then Bobby Clarke the hockey player had a long successful career and he was a diabetic playing a rough sport.
pooks137 - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 07:27 PM EST (#230711) #

Thats a good point as well bpoz. I had forgotten that McGowan was also diabetic. This is yet another seemingly insurmountable factor in the already poor prognosis of labrum and rotator cuff tears, particularly in a power pitcher who hasn't pitched competitively in 2 years.

I think everyone is rooting for him to return to the Jays soon in any capacity and certainly if he ever does it will be quite a feat on his part.

bpoz - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 07:33 PM EST (#230712) #
Bob McCowan had Buck Martinez on his show today. They spoke about various players, McCowan gave his honest opinion about these players but IMO Buck seemed not to want to disagree with McCowan. On positive comments, Buck threw in a few compliments. They both like B Lawrie and think he could be a Sept callup or arrive earlier. IMO the only negative comment was by McCowan about Litch being a #4-5 starter and that his 2008 13wins was his ceiling. I disagree because his ERA was 3.58 that year. Buck said he was throwing really well as was Zep. Well everyone is entitled to his own opinion.

What was most interesting was McCowan saying that the Jays were incredibly deep in SPs and he calculated 10 pitchers and Buck agreed but that they were unproven. Then Buck says that all will get to pitch twice through the order or rotation (sorry I cannot remember the exact wording). MY interpretation or understanding (not McCowan's or Buck's) is 1st game 35 pitches, 2nd game about 50 pitches so you can double up on the starters. Then there is a shortage of innings, of course there are minor league games & SS games.

My point at long last is "little or no competition exists in ST". M Wilner insists that ST means nothing. Some will agree and others disagree. I welcome hearing from you.

Further to fair competition, B Mills, Litch, Janssen and others have come to ST to compete for a job and have said so. B Lawrie has hinted that he thinks that he has a chance to make the opening day roster. Well I would hate for him to feel cheated and then sulk. I would feel cheated if the team came close to competing but fell short because the pen & the # 4/5 SP spots were not always at their strongest.

christaylor - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 08:45 PM EST (#230713) #
"My point at long last is "little or no competition exists in ST". M Wilner insists that ST means nothing. Some will agree and others disagree. I welcome hearing from you."

I think this is true, because I think teams go into ST with an idea of who will go where and what the lineup will be -- ST stats mean less than nothing, because it is one thing to go out an hit an opponent who you know is working on his FB location and is only throwing FB and quite another to face a pitcher who is actually trying to get you out.

On McCown the time has long passed since he was worth listening to on baseball talk -- I doubt he watches many Jays games these days. He got a grab bag of drive-time tropes and an act that seems to play well. Not an actual source of information, at least not about baseball. Even when McCown has his friend Beeston on it is a bit of a farce because he never asks anything all that interesting. (Just my two cents.)

On Lawrie -- if he's not suited for 3B, then this year might be the time to move Hill there. I think the super 2 is a red herring, the Jays have the money there if he's worth keeping and if he's a super 2, he's worth signing a long term deal.

On Rivera -- I hope I'm wrong, but he's like Shannon Stewart circa 2008, roll the dice, but probably not going to be good and gone by June.
Mylegacy - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 08:56 PM EST (#230714) #
Lawrie

 Just sayin' ...

the guy didn't cut it as a catcher - they said he didn't pay any attention to defense - the guy didn't cut it at 2nd - they said he didn't take defense seriously - NOW - the guy only needs ST to be an OK 3rd baseman - ya - right.

Lawrie is a GREAT bat - maybe even better than GREAT. However - he has so far PROVEN he can't play any position and is not particularly interested in learning. He's not a bum - and will learn some position eventually - probably RF - but he is FAR from being a Jay out of Spring Training.

Just sayin'...
Flex - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 09:03 PM EST (#230715) #
Mylegacy, what are your sources on this notion that Lawrie doesn't care about defense and doesn't want to learn. I've never heard that, in all the pieces I've read about him.
Gerry - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 09:46 PM EST (#230717) #
Kevin Goldstein on Baseball Prospectus suggested that Lawrie "mainly" cares about hitting and takes poor at-bats into the field.
Matthew E - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 11:07 PM EST (#230721) #
It's not that spring training means nothing; it's that it means only what the team's decisionmakers want it to mean, and the parts of it that do mean that aren't necessarily the parts of it that we notice.
TamRa - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 11:21 PM EST (#230722) #

On ESPN.com today, Keith Law mentioned that "...he has speed and a ton of energy, he doesn't have the kind of lateral agility you like to see in infielders. He plays second base at the moment and is better suited to that position than third base, although there's a strong sentiment in the industry that he'll end up in an outfield corner."

Maybe we still need a 3B option....


If you project out the rosters into the near future (always a mug's game) and you presume that lawrie makes it as a major league regular (and not a DH) then I'd argue that they have the 3B they expcet to use under contract - Bautista. Failing that, Aaron Hill.


If you assume that Lind and Snider will be on the team, and that neither of those can play C, 3B, 2B, SS, or CF (duh.) then you have two of the remaining 3 spots in the field filled - likely 1B and LF


You further assume that Bautista, Hill, and Lawrie are here for at least the next three years (and if Lawrie doesn't make it then this discussion is pointless) then those three, in some combination, pretty much HAVE to be 3b, 2b, and RF.


If you add a 3B from outside of the organization that's not clearly better than one of those guys, then you can't put all three of those guys on the field. Bascially, if you import a 3B he has to be better than Hill, and lead to the exit of Hill, unless you assume Lawrie doesn't cut it.


Mylegacy - Tuesday, February 22 2011 @ 11:37 PM EST (#230723) #
Again, just sayin' ... 3rd base -

I'd really like to see how the Sierra Experiment works out. Good hitter, excellent RFer, terrific arm, driven personality. Might just be the guy for the job.
Kelekin - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 12:50 AM EST (#230724) #
Sierra has a terrific arm and I was surprised to see him move to 3b, not that his arm would be wasted there at all.  I'd be a bit reluctant to call him a 'good hitter' at this point though.  Hopefully this season he shows that potential that was expected offensively.
timpinder - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 09:16 AM EST (#230727) #

Interesting article by Jason Stark about the Bautista contract:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2011/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=6146488

On Aaron Hill, my guess is he'll be a Jay through 2013, but not 2014.  The Jays only have about a month to decide if they're going to pick up all three of Hill's option years ($8 million in each of 2012 and 2013, $10 million in 2014).  Once the season starts then they can only pick up the 2012 and 2013 options.  Escobar also becomes a free agent after 2013, so perhaps an extension with a middle infielder is signed before then or maybe I'm wrong and AA takes all three of Hill's option years, but after his 2010 performance I doubt AA will guarantee him today $10 million as a 32 year old in 2014. 

My guess would be a future with Bautista in RF, Snider in LF, flanking either Gose or Marasnick, and Lawrie at 3B with a middle infield consisting of prospects like Hechavarria and Thon.  But who knows how the prospects will develop.  These things have a way of working themselves out though.

TamRa - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 11:19 AM EST (#230728) #
BA Top 100 is out and at a quick glance, it looks kinda questionsable to me

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2011/2611316.html

#29 Drabek
#36 d'Arnaud
#40 Lawrie
#95 McGuire

don't have time to nitpick now but i know i scrolled over some names I'd have to question.



braden - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 11:40 AM EST (#230729) #

BA certainly seems more bullish on D'Arnaud than most publications. While they're neck and neck on the list, I'd certainly rather have Lawrie than Travis.

And remember, the Top 100 won't necessarily correspond with a team's Top 10. The organizational lists are done by one writer while the Top 100 are through the input of the whole staff.

Flex - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 12:29 PM EST (#230730) #
I found a pretty interesting piece on One Year Wonders in the On Deck Circle blog. It's useful because it was written around this time last year, before Jose Bautista potentially joined their ranks.

Basically they analyzed the performances of eight MLB players (including Pat Hentgen) who had one career year that stood out from all the others, and tried to figure out what the factors were. They found four factors -- Adjustments, Quality of Opposition, Health and Luck. I can't say it augers well for Bautista's future, particularly since "adjustments" is the big reason given for his sudden success, but it's interesting reading.

The piece is here.

Here's the raw url in case the link doesn't work: http://ondeckcircle.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/one-year-wonders/

Mylegacy - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 01:11 PM EST (#230733) #
Interesting tweet (twit?) from KLaw - he expects the Jays to be in heavy on Yu Darvish who apparently is interested in coming over in 2012.
Jonny German - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 01:15 PM EST (#230734) #
Does BA exclude Arencibia for having spent time in the majors in 2010? You'd have a hard time convincing me his 2008 was more impressive than his 2010 (age 22 at A+ & AA vs. age 24 at AAA). Following the 2008 season they ranked him #43.
ayjackson - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 01:17 PM EST (#230735) #

BA always seems to turn their heads too quickly to the next big thing.  If James Taillon is in three years where Kyle Drabek is today, he'll have beaten the odds.

No way Drabek is less of a prospect this year than last.  But it is Spring, and BA's fancies have turned elsewhere.

Mike Green - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 07:32 PM EST (#230744) #
It's interesting that Cecil, Rzepczynski and Drabek will get the first three Grapefruit League starts, with Romero and Morrow presumably to follow. 
Gerry - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 08:29 PM EST (#230745) #

Gregor Chisholm has the list of rookies attending the pre-spring training camp starting Friday:

Kevin Ahrens
John Anderson
Adonys Cardona
Michael Crouse
Misaul Diaz
Ryan Goins
Chris Hawkins
K.C. Hobson
Drew Hutchison
Justin Jackson
Myles Jaye
Marcus Knecht
Jacob Marisnick
Brandon Mims
Nestor Molina
Griffin Murphy
Bryson Namba
Santiago Nessy
Justin Nicolino
Sean Nolin
Sean Ochinko
Shane Opitz
Garis Pena
Gustavo Pierre
Carlos Pina
Aaron Sanchez
Kellen Sweeney
Noah Syndergaard
Mitchell Taylor
Dickie Thon
Marcus Walden
Daniel Webb
Kenny Wilson
Asher Wojciechowski

 

Most of the these players are recent signees.  Exceptions are Kevin Ahrens; Justin Jackson; Sean Ochinko and Kenny Wilson.

John Anderson; Carlos Pina; and Marcus Walden missed all of 2010 due to injuries.

 

greenfrog - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 09:28 PM EST (#230746) #
From Jayson Stark's article:

"Jose Bautista is now the face of this franchise.

"Think about it. Roy Halladay now trains up Route 19 in Clearwater. Vernon Wells is an Angel now. Even Lyle Overbay and Kevin Gregg have moved onward."

Huh? Overbay and Gregg (who was only here for a year)? What about Marcum and Downs? And (in the remaining Jays dept.) what about Romero? Bautista probably wins the current "face of the franchise" smackdown, but really...Overbay and Gregg as the runners-up to Doc and V-Dub?
Original Ryan - Wednesday, February 23 2011 @ 11:44 PM EST (#230747) #
It's interesting that Cecil, Rzepczynski and Drabek will get the first three Grapefruit League starts, with Romero and Morrow presumably to follow.

According to Gregor Chisholm, Romero is starting tomorrow in the first intra-squad game, and Morrow will be starting in the one on Friday.  Zach Stewart, Brad Mills and Kyle Drabek will also be getting some work in during those games.
TamRa - Thursday, February 24 2011 @ 01:34 AM EST (#230748) #
Kevin Ahrens
John Anderson
Adonys Cardona
Michael Crouse
Misaul Diaz
Ryan Goins
Chris Hawkins
K.C. Hobson
Drew Hutchison
Justin Jackson
Myles Jaye
Marcus Knecht
Jacob Marisnick
Brandon Mims
Nestor Molina
Griffin Murphy
Bryson Namba
Santiago Nessy
Justin Nicolino
Sean Nolin
Sean Ochinko
Shane Opitz
Garis Pena
Gustavo Pierre
Carlos Pina
Aaron Sanchez
Kellen Sweeney
Noah Syndergaard
Mitchell Taylor
Dickie Thon
Marcus Walden
Daniel Webb
Kenny Wilson
Asher Wojciechowski

In addition, we know from photos and other reports that these guys are also already there (well ahead of the report date for minor leaguers in general:

Brett Lawrie
Travis d'Arnaud
Anthony Gose
A J Jimenez
Moises Sierra
Mike McDade
Brian Jeroloman

And these guys logically should be there but I've not seen a reference to them:

Zach Stewart
Carlos Perez
Henderson Alvarez (maybe some of the latin guys haven't reported?)
Eric Thames
Deck McGuire
Chad Jenkins
Darin Mastroianni
Scott Campbell
Adam Loewen
David Cooper
John Tolisano

Any of you guys down there see any of these at the workouts and such?

TamRa - Thursday, February 24 2011 @ 03:07 AM EST (#230749) #
following up on my last, Gregor's post revealing the team pitching rotation for games the rest of the month includes (among non-40 man roster players, not including those minor league vets who are on ST invites): Stewart, Alvarez, Farina, and Carreno - so those are there...


and my previous failed to mention Adeiny.

So that's at least 46 guys (likely at least 50) plus the 40 man roster plus the NR invites.

big crowd.

bpoz - Thursday, February 24 2011 @ 10:11 AM EST (#230755) #
Regarding the Sierra move to 3B:-

1) Has anyone heard the reason why, officially?
2) Anyone want to guess the reasoning?

My guess is that the organization wants to develop players that can play multiple positions, if they can handle the move without it affecting their hitting development.

I see playing multiple positions well as a big advantage to the player & the team.
1) Injury replacement is easier. eg at 3B J Bautista, A Hill, Y Escobar may all be able to handle it. Eventually B Lawrie & M Sierra if they can make the Majors as both RF & 3B.
2) They can groom a replacement for J Mac if he leaves and not lose a lot, J Mac is valuable when someone needs a day off.
3) More value in trades. Eg if A Hill has more 2009 type season and becomes too expensive then if he leaves as a FA or a trade AA already has current options and so is not forced into a move.
4) The bench changes you don't need defensive specialists as much. 8th pitcher, pinch running specialist or some other 1 dimensional player.
Gerry - Thursday, February 24 2011 @ 11:47 AM EST (#230762) #

Sierra at 3B is an experiment as of now, it is not a move.

The reason is that third basemen are harder to find than outfielders.  One of the reasons for the experiment is that Sierra has a rocket arm so if he can move smoothly to the ball he has the arm to play the position.

ayjackson - Thursday, February 24 2011 @ 12:00 PM EST (#230764) #
I don`t think they`ve moved Sierra to 3B.  They`re just taking a look to increase his versatility.  I think they like the flexability that a 3B/RF player gives you and it matches up well with Bautista and Lawrie.
bpoz - Thursday, February 24 2011 @ 07:52 PM EST (#230791) #
With A Wainright gone for 2011 & probably not as dominant in 2012 as he recovers from the TJ surgery, it looks like they need SP help.
I say this because they may be willing to trade for a 'Good" SP. IMO every team in the NL Central can get competitive fast except the Pirates & the Cubs. Historically the Pirates just don't seem to win recently and I eliminate the Cubs because they have bad luck issues and end up losing, somehow consistently.
So I always like St Louis as having a good shot at the playoffs. Reds, Brewers & Astros are not to be feared like the AL East NYY & B Sox.

Um... I have a point to make:-
1) That Colby Rasmus fellow... does it make sense to trade him for a "good" SP? Maybe just do Band Aid moves and hope for the best. St Louis is definitely weaker.
2) More important & interesting. Do we want him? Mylegacy!!! What do we have to give up and is he worth it? I really, really, really want to compete in 2012.
TamRa - Friday, February 25 2011 @ 03:40 AM EST (#230800) #
I think you start with Cecil or Stewart, add in a catcher (likely one of d'Arnaud and Perez) and then a couple of lesser prospects around that (say Mills and Crouse or some such) - just to indicate you are serious.


christaylor - Friday, February 25 2011 @ 04:34 AM EST (#230801) #
I just don't think the Jays have the type of pitcher that STL would want for Rasmus. Kind of unfortunate as the guy that'd fit perfectly as the center piece of such a deal went to MIL.

If Cecil, d'Arnaud+ could get it done, I'd be all over that.
bpoz - Friday, February 25 2011 @ 11:25 AM EST (#230816) #
Thanks TamRa & Christaylor. C Rasmus must be very good because that trade proposal seems pretty close to the R Halladay trade.
John Northey - Friday, February 25 2011 @ 12:19 PM EST (#230817) #
Colby Ramus is just entering his age 24 season, 263/334/452 lifetime but last year hit 276/361/498 for a 132 OPS+ while playing in CF. His most similar though age 23 include Bobby Bonds, Andre Dawson, Jim Wynn among others. The 8 retired ones had an average of 268/345/459 119 OPS+ left in them over an average of 10 years. That is one nice player.

If it wasn't for a major blowup between Ramus and LaRussa there is no way anyone would be talking about him being traded. If St Louis would take Cecil plus parts for him great, but I don't see it. I'd suspect they'd start at Cecil & Snider and ask for more.
Gwyn - Friday, February 25 2011 @ 05:10 PM EST (#230837) #
I just spotted over at BTF that Josh Phelps will be playing in Italy this year for Telemarket Rimini. From the cover of Baseball Prospectus to the Italian League in, what, eight years? I hope theres a few junkball leftie starters over there he can feast on.
TamRa - Friday, February 25 2011 @ 07:30 PM EST (#230843) #
I'd suspect they'd start at Cecil & Snider and ask for more.

I could see them arguing that you need Cecil to bridge the gap between Rasmus and Snider (though i strongly disagree that the gap is THAT big) but more beyond?

That's just silly.  I know Snider hasn't had a breakout yet, and there's considerable value in being a good defensive CF, but  they are not all that far apart, IMO.

Besides, part of the idea is to put stars everywhere you can, not swap one star for another. I'd sooner think you start yur package with Drabek than Snider.

ayjackson - Friday, February 25 2011 @ 07:40 PM EST (#230844) #

Cecil and Snider would be way too much for Rasmus.  Snider and Rasmus were similarly ranked prospects coming through their respective systems.  I'm pretty sure Law and Callis and the like preferred Snider's bat and Rasmus' defensive value.  Rasmus has had a better first 600 PA's in the pros than Snider and thus has a definite edge now in value, but not to the extent of a Brett Cecil.  People continue to undersell Brett's value.

I don't think it makes sense to trade Cecil in a deal for Rasmus because they are contemporaries.  Rasmus would be nearing FA before our starters were entering their prime.  If we're going to rely on Drabek, Stewart and the like as our starters, then we'd be better off relying on Gose in center or some reasonable facsimile over Rasmus.

I think a fair trade for Rasmus would be Drabek, Marisnick and Rajai Davis (and maybe Eric Thames).  I'm not sure if St. Louis wouldn't want a more seasoned starter.  I'm not sure they shouldn't trade Carpenter now and Pujols at the deadline and immediately retool around their youth (especially if they're resigned to lose the pair in FA).

Original Ryan - Saturday, February 26 2011 @ 01:09 AM EST (#230858) #
Here's a video update on Tim Collins.  It sounds like Ned Yost is impressed with him.
TamRa - Saturday, February 26 2011 @ 03:22 AM EST (#230860) #
I want Collins back damnit!!!

Can't we deal them, say, Jeroloman or some such for him?

PLEASE?


China fan - Saturday, February 26 2011 @ 05:42 AM EST (#230861) #
Any chance of a new thread on spring-training developments, so that we can discuss the emerging trends at Dunedin?  There are lots of new tidbits that are worth debating.   For example, Farrell says that Molina will be "co-catcher" with 2 or 3 starts per week.  (Actually he started 51 games last year, so maybe this is not much of a change.)  He also seems to be flip-flopping Bautista and Lind at the 3 and 4 slots in the lineup, implying that this is the likely set-up for the regular season, with Bautista and Lind both getting time in the clean-up position, depending on the opposing pitcher.  Apparently Lind had always resisted the idea of hitting 4th, feeling that he didn't do well in that slot, but now he has announced that he's "not picky" any more. (And I guess anyone coming off a 2010 season like his could probably not afford to be very picky at all....)   Anyway, would be nice to have a new thread to discuss the emerging developments at spring training, especially now that the game action is beginning.
lexomatic - Tuesday, March 01 2011 @ 04:19 PM EST (#230965) #
I think a fair trade for Rasmus would be Drabek, Marisnick and Rajai Davis (and maybe Eric Thames).  I'm not sure if St. Louis wouldn't want a more seasoned starter.  I'm not sure they shouldn't trade Carpenter now and Pujols at the deadline and immediately retool around their youth (especially if they're resigned to lose the pair in FA).

AYJ, I think you've been stealing from Mylegacy's liquor cabinet. That would be far too much in this market ( where stars are traded for pennies on the dollar) for a player who's not a star. If you were the GM of a team I was a fan of I would call for you to be fired for making that trade.
bpoz - Wednesday, March 02 2011 @ 08:47 AM EST (#230972) #
Lexomatic & AYJ... You both make sense to me.

Lexomatic, your comment to fire the GM makes sense to me because St Louis is in the NL Central not Al East. So the 2011 season would be lost because.
1) C Rasmus would be replaced on the ML team by Drabek & R Davis. So then the ML team is weaker?
2) C Carpenter & A Pujos traded would not get equal ML talent back and A Wainwright is already lost.

AYJ, If you believe the season is lost now, then C Carpenter & A Pujos can be dealt now. NYY may be interested in C Carpenter. The 2 draft picks for A Pujos IMO will not be equal value only due to the uncertainty involved with draft picks. Waiting until July 31 is also an option. You should get a big haul for 3 Ml stars.

I don't know if the St Louis market would accept rebuilding as easily as some other markets. Oakland dealt their big 3 pitchers to do a rebuild due to economics.

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