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Texas reliever Neftali Feliz has been named the 2010 American League Jackie Robinson Rookie of the Year, the first Ranger to win since Mike Hargrove,in 1974, 14 years before Feliz was born. Feliz and runner-up Austin Jackson, the Detroit OF, were the only players named on all 28 ballots. According to noted baseball humorist (and Batter's Box's own) Jamey Newberg, "Derek Jeter placed third. (Not really.)"

Giants catcher Buster Posey got the National League nod. Read the full story on ESPN.com.

Feliz and Posey, recent World Series rivals ... that's some kinda all-rookie battery!

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92-93 - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 02:49 PM EST (#225514) #
Conceptually, I agree with Keith Law that the RoY shouldn't necessarily be the guy who had the best rookie season, but rather should be a top prospect who had a solid rookie season with a huge ceiling. To relate that thinking to this year, Brian Matusz (who from Aug1 on went 7-1 in 62ip with 48h 16bb 52k 2.18era) would finish ahead of Austin Jackson, a guy who is a very nice piece but will likely never be an elite player.

Jaime Garcia is a LHP with an array of pitches who kept the ball on the ground and in the park all season. I'm glad to see he was recognized as the best rookie behind Heyward & Posey as I really enjoyed watching him pitch for the Cardinals this year. If the Cardinals had made the playoffs and Garcia had a flashier record like 16-6ish, I wonder if that 2.70era in 28 starts would have been worth quite a few more first place votes. Gaby Sanchez being selected ahead of him is a joke.

Magpie - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 05:21 PM EST (#225522) #
I think Law is nuts. It strikes me as a little like giving the MVP not to the best player but to the guy you think could have been the best player... Why bother with the guesswork? What's wrong with identifying the best performance by a rookie?

Oops, there I go again.
Mike Green - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 05:29 PM EST (#225524) #
nuts

Insane, booby-shooby, twisted, nuts...I don't think Joni Mitchell had the Euphemism Treadmill in mind when she sang of getting into her parents' liquor cabinet at age 3.

I agree.  The Rookie of the Year should be the rookie who had the best season.  The only way that it is different from the MVP is that often the best rookie will come up in May or June.
bpoz - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 05:33 PM EST (#225526) #
I agree with you Magpie. Timing is everything and being lucky in that rookie season helps.
E Hinskie deserved the ROY, but later on he was not as good.
Magpie - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 05:37 PM EST (#225527) #
I also think you would end up doing very weird things - like picking Colby Rasmus, say, ahead of Chris Coghlan last year. Rasmus has more upside, no doubt, but Coghlan was a whole lot better than Rasmus in 2009... How would you explain your choice to Coghlan? ("Just because you were way better than this guy last year doesn't mean anything to me.")

Or to Rasmus? ("Okay, you weren't that great this year but I still believe in you.")
Chuck - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 05:43 PM EST (#225528) #

I will join the pile-on and agree that the award should not be forward-looking. The membership of the BBWAA is already more than adequately challenged just to meet its backward-looking duties.

Why must the voting for every flippin' award be more complicated than it needs to be?

Thomas - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 05:52 PM EST (#225530) #
I have nothing to add at this point, other than that I agree with the consensus and think Law's position makes no sense.
Magpie - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 06:02 PM EST (#225535) #
While we're picking on Keith Law, does anyone have ESPN Insider? He's describing Cameron Maybin as a "good get" for the Padres. I don't know how Maybin will hit in Petco, but I don't expect it to be pretty. Was Keith pushing for Maybin over Romero back in 2005?
92-93 - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 06:18 PM EST (#225538) #
You tell Coghlan - if Rasmus had 3 years of SEC baseball to develop like you he'd be infinitely ahead of you at this stage of your career, so what he did at his age at the MLB level was actually more impressive than what you did, stats be damned. I don't see what the big problem is with having the voters decide who they think displayed the greatest upside, any more than it's a problem making them choose between whether RBIs is more important than OBP or whether or not to consider positional value when judging counting stats.
ayjackson - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 06:30 PM EST (#225541) #
So we award Rookie of the Year based on the rookie equivalent of a top prospect list?  That's absurd.  I can't believe Law suggests such a thing.  Perhaps you could source this?
Magpie - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 06:45 PM EST (#225543) #
who they think displayed the greatest upside

I don't understand this - isn't upside, practically by definition, that which you haven't yet displayed? But we're hoping you will....

There are often very good reasons to believe someone will be better in the future, but it absolutely does not mean they actually will be better. It just seems very weird to give someone a prize for something they have not yet accomplished, something which may never be accomplished.
Magpie - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 06:50 PM EST (#225544) #
You can argue - I suppose - that what Rasmus did in 2009 was more "impressive" than what Coghlan did in 2009. It depends what impresses you, I suppose. Coghlan was a better baseball player in 2009, and that always impresses me.
ayjackson - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 06:54 PM EST (#225545) #
I think awards are designed to recognize great performances.  I don't see a reason to change.  If you want an award for a rookie who should one day have a great season (or several), that's fine - just don't call it rookie of the year.  It's taken.
Flex - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 08:25 PM EST (#225552) #
Magpie lands a left! Then a right! Then another left!
Alex Obal - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 08:32 PM EST (#225553) #
I don't understand this - isn't upside, practically by definition, that which you haven't yet displayed? But we're hoping you will....

As I understand it, Roy Halladay has more upside than (say) Kyle Drabek. He has less unrealized upside.

I think enough awards are already decided by reputation. No need to add ROY to the list.

Thomas - Monday, November 15 2010 @ 09:30 PM EST (#225554) #
He's describing Cameron Maybin as a "good get" for the Padres. I don't know how Maybin will hit in Petco, but I don't expect it to be pretty. Was Keith pushing for Maybin over Romero back in 2005?

I don't have ESPN insider, but Law isn't alone in praising Hoyer on the move. The analysis I've read has based the praise on Maybin's defence and his minor league hitting stats. Putting aside his 600 at-bats in the major leagues, San Diego's gotten a plus defensive CF who has put up an OPS in Triple-A of .862 as a 22-year-old and .915 as 23-year-old. Whether or not that wil be "pretty" in Petco is sort of besides the point; that's a prospect worth acquiring if you can do it as a reasonable price.

The other reason he may be calling a good get for San Diego is that the Padres got a .561 OPS from their primary CF. Tony Gwynn Jr is 27 and doesn't seem to be getting better. Maybin is younger and cheaper and likely to be, at absolute worst, as productive offensively. I wouldn't be surprised if Maybin to put up an OPS in the low 700s, which would be a huge improvement, but even the mid .600s would be an upgrade.

I wanted the Jays to pick Maybin over Romero in 2006 and would have traded Romero for Maybin for several years after that. I wouldn't now.

Mick Doherty - Tuesday, November 16 2010 @ 12:41 PM EST (#225555) #
Alex, love the idea of the All-Unrealized-Upside team ... call it the Double-U's ... and baseball is all about the W's!  :-)
Chuck - Tuesday, November 16 2010 @ 01:45 PM EST (#225557) #

The Texan alphabet starts with W, don't it?

92-93 - Tuesday, November 16 2010 @ 03:52 PM EST (#225564) #

So we award Rookie of the Year based on the rookie equivalent of a top prospect list?  That's absurd.  I can't believe Law suggests such a thing.  Perhaps you could source this?

While it's hard for me to exactly source it, readers of Law's work will instantly recognize his ROY ideas because he espouses them often. Here's some QnAs from a Sept. chat :

Roger (CT) Do you treat ROY as MVP for rookies or do you feel there should be slightly different criteria?

Klaw  (1:58 PM) I think there should be some consideration of the long-term potential of candidates.

John (NYC) "I think there should be some consideration of the long-term potential of candidates." Why? I understand why you would want to factor that in but if the award is for the best "rookie" for that season, why are other criteria necessary?

Klaw  (2:17 PM) That's not what the award is. That might be your impression of it, but the definition is vague.

Bub (DC) Matusz started off great, then terrible, now he looks great again. Can he be a legitimate top of the rotation starter as soon as next season?

Klaw  (2:18 PM) I might still vote for him as AL ROY if I had that ballot. I certainly believe in his long-term value far more than I believe in Austin Jackson's, and the AL East is a brutal place to pitch, especially if you don't get to face the division's worst lineup. I'll say he's an ace in 2012 or 2013, with modest improvements next year.

Alex Obal - Tuesday, November 16 2010 @ 04:08 PM EST (#225568) #
John Smith threw 103 innings with a 6.03 ERA at age 23 for the White Sox, 24.4% K and 17.8% BB. I am still voting him Rookie of the Year. His fastball is explosive, with good velo and boring action. It complements his plus-plus slider nicely. His 6'6" frame and easy motion will probably keep him healthy. He projects as a frontline starter. So what if he had no idea where anything was going this year, I'd still take him over Feliz or certainly Jackson longterm. You can't say I'm wrong.

If Law wants to adjust for age, context and experience, I can see the argument for that. Voting directly based on "long-term potential" and "long-term value" will just concede the award to the hype machine.

Mike Green - Tuesday, November 16 2010 @ 04:37 PM EST (#225572) #
good velo and boring action

A Dirty Harry movie in Paris on bicycles?  Wild! 

Just one more thing.  When Alfredo Griffin and John Castino shared the award sometime in the last millenium, no one believed that these were players of great potential.  The voters just made their best effort to find the rookie who the best season.  Keep it simple.
Magpie - Tuesday, November 16 2010 @ 05:35 PM EST (#225579) #
Maybin's defence

How good is that defense, by the way? Because it seems to me that Maybin's best chance to have a career is to be the next Mike Cameron. They both strike out far too often to hit much more than .250 unless they get really lucky, but M Cameron was a hell of a player anyway. Problem is, Cameron M doesn't have M Cameron's power, and he hasn't yet shown comparable plate discipline either (not in the majors anyway.)
Thomas - Tuesday, November 16 2010 @ 06:01 PM EST (#225583) #
How good is that defense, by the way? Because it seems to me that Maybin's best chance to have a career is to be the next Mike Cameron. They both strike out far too often to hit much more than .250 unless they get really lucky, but M Cameron was a hell of a player anyway

As you point out, Mike Cameron was a very underrated player. He was one of the better outfielders in baseball during his time with the Padres. As for Maybin, his defensive stats on Fangraphs aren't great (small sample size) and Tangotiger's Scouting Report has him at the same level as Wells. However, he rates quite highly on acceleration and sprint speed, but his reaction is rated below-average. That to me suggests someone who at least has the potential to improve as he gains experience and more coaching. At the least, his speed should be useful in San Diego's spacious outfield.

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