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I didn't get the chance to watch the game last night, so you guys will have to help me on the scouting report, but here are my quick impressions after watching the highlights.

Drabek struck out five using three different pitches. Three of his Ks (the 1st, 2nd and 5th) came on a hard breaking ball that looks like a curve, but is so fast - 86, 86 and 84 on the Ks - that I'm not sure it can really be called a curve. The broadcasters seemed to alternate between calling it a curve and a breaking ball, at least in the short clip I was able to watch. Fangraphs doesn't have the pitches classified yet. Oh, and it looks like a great pitch.

The third strikeout came on what looked like a slider - a 90 MPH pitch with side to side movement and not much downward break. That sounds like the definition of a cutter as well, but I thought it looked a little loopier than an average cutter. To be honest, I can't really see this pitch being a staple of Drabek's arsenal going forward. It could be useful on the outside corner against righties (which is how he used it on this K).

The fourth strikeout was the one that really stood out to me. It was a 95 MPH fastball on the outside corner to a left-handed batter, and it moved away from the batter. A lot. Seriously, click on that link and watch that fastball. I can't remember the last time I saw a fastball move that much in the screwball direction, not to mention the fact that it was 95 miles per hour. If Drabek gets control of that pitch, does he even need a change-up?

Speaking of change-ups, I didn't see any and heard that he only threw one all night - it's a "work in progress". That could be the sticking point that prevents him from making the rotation next year, but what do I know? This is all speculation. As I wrote in the intro, give me your impressions. There were probably plenty of interesting tidbits from the broadcasters that I missed out on, and certainly anyone who watched the game has a better feel for his stuff than I, having seen only six or seven pitches.
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John Northey - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#222564) #
Given how solid his game appears to have been I suspect Rzep is looking at being in the pen now for 2011.

Rotation for 2011...
Romero (L)
Marcum (R)
Morrow (R)
Cecil (L)
Drabek (R)

Bullpen...
Gregg (R) (I figure his option will be picked up)
Camp (R) RH setup
Purcey (L) LH setup
Janssen (R) RH 7th inning
Carlson (L) LH 7th inning
Rzepczynski (L) long man/6th starter (Tallet role)
Last slot to whoever wins it in spring

That should be a fairly solid pitching staff with the potential to be a 105/110 ERA+ team overall. This years is only at 98 thanks largely to Morrow growing pains (94), and Tallet torture (71 2/3 IP so far at 67). Not to mention guys trying out for the job with sub-75 ERA+'s in Litsch (46 2/3), Rzep (45 1/3), and Eveland (44 2/3) (136 2/3 ugly innings from those 3 over 27 starts so far). Mills is also in that category over his 18 1/3 IP.
ayjackson - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#222566) #

Yeah, it's tough to see any reason why he shouldn't be in the bigs.  He certainly seems to have the composure.  I was led to believe that he might be a two pitch pitcher, but when you throw three disctint fastballs (4-seamer, 2-seamer, cutter), the changeup becomes a less important pitch (right, Doc?).

Dave Rutt - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#222567) #
Here are Bryan Smith's impressions, and not surprisingly, they're somewhat different than mine, since Bryan actually knows what he's talking about. Bryan loves the 90 MPH pitch, which he calls a cutter, and which Drabek just learned this off-season from his dad. Bryan also notes that Drabek is very good at throwing the curve in the dirt to induce strike threes, but not so great at throwing it for a strike. Finally, his fastball can get flat at times.
MatO - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#222568) #
My impressions.  The braking pitch was a 12 to 6 curveball.  Comes in flat and then dives.  Sort of reminded of Duane Ward's curve which a lot of people thought was a splitter.  The fastball had a lot of tailing movement.  Brandon League had it when he first came up.  A young Dave Stieb had it too.  That was a cutter he threw for a K according to his dad who was in the booth at the time.  He doesn't throw a slider also per his dad.  The cutter is a pitch designed to get lefties out as the late break is supposed to get in on their hands.  See Mariano Rivera.  I was surprised that it wasn't used much against lefties (at least when i was watching).
Dave Rutt - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#222569) #
right, Doc?

I was thinking the same thing. Apparently Halladay's been using the change-up more in Philly, but he hardly used it in his entire time in Toronto.
ayjackson - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#222571) #

I stole this gif from Ghostrunner on First.  After reading much more about the game around the internet, I'm pretty sure the "four seamers" are 2-seamers, the "cutters" are 4 seamers and the "sliders" are cutters.  Which Drew alluded to being a possibility on his post this morning.

 

 

TheBunk - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 05:02 PM EDT (#222576) #
I know there's a marginal difference between 6th and 7th man in a bullpen but give me scrabble before carlson.
TamRa - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#222577) #
Rotation for 2011...
Romero (L)
Marcum (R)
Morrow (R)
Cecil (L)
Drabek (R)

Bullpen...
Gregg (R) (I figure his option will be picked up)
Camp (R) RH setup
Purcey (L) LH setup
Janssen (R) RH 7th inning
Carlson (L) LH 7th inning
Rzepczynski (L) long man/6th starter (Tallet role)
Last slot to whoever wins it in spring


I like that, with the caveat that Mills goes into a competition with Calrson (and Purcey) for their jobs ((I say Purcey because if Carlson got his previous mojo back he'd likely be the 8th inning guy) AND Richmond/Ray are given the chance to prove if they are better than Janssen (not saying they are, just, ya know - what ST is for)

Marc Hulet - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#222578) #
Thomas - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#222579) #
I was led to believe that he might be a two pitch pitcher, but when you throw three disctint fastballs (4-seamer, 2-seamer, cutter), the changeup becomes a less important pitch (right, Doc?).

That is possible, but I also think I remember hearing an interview with Walton where he described the change-up as a work in progress, but also said that he felt the pitch could become an average major league pitch and allow Drabek to work it into his arsenal more consistently.

BalzacChieftain - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#222593) #

I watched the game last night and I say he makes the rotation next year, easy.  Probably the best stuff out of any of our pitchers save Morrow.  Speaking of a potential change-up, I think that's what would make Drabek a big-time MLB starter.  His power curveball is so hard (85-86) that a changeup hitting somewhere around 80 would give quite a different look to batters as far as velocity shifting goes.  95 fastball, 90+ cutter and 2-seam, 85 curve or whatever you want to call it, and adding an 80 changeup would be filthy. 

Although he walked a few batters last night, his command was generally good.  I noticed in the 4th he started trying to nibble a little bit, and Buck came out to talk to him.  Next pitch was right down the middle and Patterson roped it for a double.  I think Buck was probably telling him to just trust his stuff and toss it in there and let Patterson beat him.  Anyways, although his line wasn't overly impressive, it was easy to tell that he belongs in the bigs with the repertoire of pitches he has.  Fastballs with late life and the sick curveball. 

ayjackson - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#222598) #
I agree BC, though I wouldn't be surprised if Rzep got the extended look out of ST, or if they rolled the dice on a Cdn reclamation project (Francis, Berard) either.
Mike Green - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#222601) #
Cdn reclamation project (Francis, Berard).

Ron Francis and Bryan Berard?  Yeah, if they could make them into decent pitchers that would be a fine reclamation project all right. :)

The names being bandied about here as reasonable prospects for the rotation and the bullpen make sense to me.  There is no obvious need nor surplus in the major league ready pitching staff. 
smcs - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#222606) #
Ron Francis and Bryan Berard?

It worked with Brenden Morrow.
ayjackson - Thursday, September 16 2010 @ 11:59 PM EDT (#222610) #
Okay, okay....so a guy gets his Berards and his Bedards mixed up.  We've all had a good laugh, now we can move on.
BalzacChieftain - Friday, September 17 2010 @ 08:41 AM EDT (#222618) #

I was thinking about Francis the other day when I read something stating there was no way in hell the Rockies were picking up his option.

Bob Elliott tweeted last night: "Jays tell RHP Zach Stewart, one of top arms in system along with Henderson Alvarez: 'Be prepared to start or pitch in relief next spring."

Interesting - is one of these guys our future closer?

Jonny German - Friday, September 17 2010 @ 09:17 AM EDT (#222621) #

Bob Elliott tweeted last night: "Jays tell RHP Zach Stewart, one of top arms in system along with Henderson Alvarez: 'Be prepared to start or pitch in relief next spring."

So is Bob telling us that Alvarez has also been told to be prepared for the possibility of releiving, or just that Alvarez is also one of the the top arms in the system?

Hooray for clear communication from an industry professional.

ayjackson - Friday, September 17 2010 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#222625) #
Good call JG, I think he's trying to tell us that they both were told to prepare to start or relieve next year.  I think he's missing a second comma though.  Ambiguous at best.
Dewey - Friday, September 17 2010 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#222632) #
Elliott's been missing a second comma, and maybe some other stuff too, for most of his professional career.
dan gordon - Friday, September 17 2010 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#222676) #
I didn't see all of Drabek's game, but from what I saw, I was very impressed with the fastball - very good velocity and a strong left to right drift on it.  The curve looked like it could be a tremendous pitch, great 12 to 6 break on it.  The problem I could see was that he didn't throw many changeups and not all that many curves, either, so the hitters started sitting on the fastball and were timing it pretty well.  It doesn't have much vertical movement, just the horizontal drift I mentioned, and it looked like the hitters were hitting him because of the combination of those 2 things.  I think he needs to refine the changeup and curve so that he can throw them both more often in order to upset the httters' timing better.  No reason he can't accomplish that in the next season or so.  I think 2 or 3 months in AAA might be what he needs.  Vegas is obviously not the ideal situation to do that, but that would be my preference.  By 2012 I think he can be an outstanding starter and by 2013 I think he could be the best starter we have.  I see why so many think so highly of him.  Great acquisition.
ayjackson - Friday, September 17 2010 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#222678) #

It doesn't have much vertical movement, just the horizontal drift

I didn't see anything but highlights but I think he threw a 3-2 two-seamer to Wieters in the third that had incredible verticle sink on it.

robertdudek - Friday, September 17 2010 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#222693) #
Yeah, it's tough to see any reason why he shouldn't be in the bigs.

He pitched well, but I don't think he has the command right now to be a big league starter. I would definitely start him in AAA next April.
scottt - Sunday, September 19 2010 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#222739) #
I think it really depends on spring training. I don't see how you can send him to AAA if he's the best Blue Jays pitcher in March. LIkewise, if other contenders are outperforming him, he certainly goes to Vegas.



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