Batter's Box Interactive Magazine - Joel Carreno Saves the Day/Night

A bad night on the farm as the affiliates could only muster 2 wins. Joel Carreno made it all worthwhile with one of the best pitching performances of the season though. Also there were a lot of baserunner kills.

Las Vegas 6 at New Orleans 5 - 10 Innings

Luis Perez got knocked around and allowed 5 runs in 6 innings on 8 hits, 3 walks and 5 k's. Mike McCoy had a bases clearing triple in the 4th and walked, stole second and scored the winning run in the 10th on a Jarrett Hoffpauir single. McCoy's final line was 2/4, 2 BB, 3B, SB, CS, R, 3 RBI. Not bad. Hoffpauir drew two walks to go with his game winning single, while Jason Lane had 3 hits including two doubles. Danny Perales also had 3 hits but could muster only 1 double. Aaron Mathews and Manny Mayorson both singled and walked.

Binghampton 5 at New Hampshire 0

New Hampshire got outhit 14-1 and both squads drew 2 walks. Darin Mastroianni had the lone single and threw a runner out at home, while John Buck and Eric Thames had the walks. Adeiny stole a base to boot. so there's that. Rei Gonzalez was the real victim in this one, giving up 4 runs and 11 hits in his 5 innings, walking 1 and striking out 4.

Dayton 1 at Dunedin 3

Archrival Dayton (well, theoretically) struck first but Dunedin struck last and struck hardest. Welinton Ramirez hit a 2-run bomb, the D-Jays on XBH, in the 7th as part of a 3-run inning to put things away for good. Anthony Gose singled, walked, stole a base and was caught stealing. He's at 55% for the year (40 for 72.) Concepcion Rodriguez had two singles, and Kenny Wilson singled and stole a base.

The real hero in this one was Joel Carreno though. He allowed a solitary run on 2 hits, a sacrifice and a wild pitch, but was otherwise near perfect. He allowed one other hit (3 total) and walked none while striking out 11. He even picked off a runner for good measure. On the year he has gone 129.2 innings allowing 135 hits, 29 BB and 160 K's with an ERA of 3.75. Since the FSL All-Star break he has been even better, dropping the ERA by .6 runs and striking out 77 against 10 walks. He is 23 and has moved very slowly since signing as a non-drafted free agent in 2004, but he has put up good numbers at every stop and will start next year at New Hampshire, I would have to believe.

South Bend 4 at Lansing 2

Justin Jackson was the only Lugnut to get things going, accounting for 4 of the team's 8 hits with 3 singles and a double (he was also caught stealing.) Kevin Nolan, Sean Ochinko, Brad Glenn and KC Hobson had the other hits, with Hobson and Glenn walking and Ochinko doubling. Jake Marisnick walked, stole a base, scored a run and threw a runner out at second. Dave Sever got the start and was ineffective though not terrible. He struck out only 1 in 6 innings, walking 3, allowing 3 and giving up 7 hits.

Williamsport 4 at Auburn 2 - 12 Innings

This one was tough though perhaps not undeserved, as Auburn got outhit 11-6. Williamsport struck in the 5th and the 7th and Auburn responded in the 8th after Marcus Knecht doubled in a Carlos Perez leadoff walk. Oliver Dominguez singled in Knecht and eventually got to third but couldn't score. Auburn got two on with one out in the 9th and the 12th, but were unable to doing anything with their opportunities.

Daniel Webb got the start and continuing a theme, non-Carreno division, didn't do much. He went 4.2 and allowed 4 hits, and 1 run, but 3 walks against only 2 strikeouts aren't great. Zach Anderson blew things in 1.2 innings of relief but Drew Permison was good, striking out 5 in his 2 innings, albeit allowing 4 baserunners. Meanwhile Carlos Perez was 2 for 3 with 3 walks, scoring once. Gustavo Pierre walked twice and singled, and Marcus Knecht and Jonathan Jones both threw out runners at the plate; Knecht had the aforementioned double, while Jones walked and stole a base.

GCL Jays 0 at GCL Phillies 5

This one was as bad as the New Hampshire game, though this time the affiliate managed 2 hits instead of 1. Deivy Estrada took the damage, walking 2, whiffing 1 and giving up 4 runs in 5 innings on 7 hits.

DSL Braves at DSL Jays - Postponed.

3 Stars!

Hon Men! Carlos Perez - 2/3 3 BB, RBI

3rd Star! Mike McCoy - 2/4, 2 BB, 3B, SB, CS, R, 3 RBI.

Second Star! Justin Jackson - 4/4 2B, CS, RBI

1st Star! Joel Carreno - 8 IP 3 H 1 ER 0 BB 11 K

Posted by Anders on Friday, August 20 2010 @ 10:05 AM EDT.

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Marc Hulet - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 11:10 AM EDT (#221199) #

Casey Lawrence is reportedly on his way to Lansing for a much-deserved late-season promotion.

jerjapan - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#221200) #

Bryan Smith at Fangraphs has a very favourable review of the Jays draft up today. Good to see the Yanks ranked last - I think we will be chasing Boston, not New York, over the years to come.

Thoughts: I love this draft. It appears to be pitcher heavy because the first four picks were all hurlers, but the team's second-highest bonus getter was fifth-round pick Dickie Joe Thon. Toronto gave Thon $1.5 million to not attend Rice, and he becomes a perfect balance to the "safe" Deck McGuire pick. The team invested heavily in pitching, no doubt, and I really like what Aaron Sanchez has showed so far. But there is hitting to be found here, like Sweeney, Christopher Hawkins, and the two shortstops given above-slot money in the middle rounds. Toronto has worked hard in the last year, both on the international and domestic fronts, at rebuilding their farm system, and I think it will start paying dividends soon.

Favorite AL East Draft: Boston. Honorable Mention: Toronto. Least Favorite: New York.

Sister - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 12:20 PM EDT (#221201) #

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why Raul Chavez would get playing time over Brian Jeroloman. You have a young catcher with strong potential for a long career (perhaps as a backup) sitting around in AAA (starting only 6 times since he has been called up) while your 36 year old vet catcher who is likely never going to see the majors again, gets a majority of the starts.

And its not like Jeroloman has been bad; in fact, he has stroked it to the tune of 1300+ OPS (in limited at bats) compared to Chavez's pathetic .583 OPS.

I didn't read anything about an injury, and Jeroloman came on to replace Chavez last night after he was ejected. So....what gives....?

Marc Hulet - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#221202) #

Chavez' presence behind the plate can help with the development of the young pitchers...

Marc Hulet - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#221203) #

It's also a demanding position and it's possible the club doesn't want to wear him down... as he could be off to the Arizona Fall League considering that the club needs to decide if it wants to add him to the 40-man roster or not.

TamRa - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#221204) #

the Power of the Cito Compels them?

China fan - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#221205) #

Does anyone have thoughts on Luis Perez? He's on the 40-man roster, so the Jays have to make a decision on him soon, since his spot on the 40-man will be badly needed in the off-season. He's had good numbers everywhere -- until he reached Las Vegas this year. Is he just adjusting to the PCL now, or is he slipping? Does he still have prospect status? While his numbers were pretty good at lower levels in the minors, I notice that he was generally a bit old for his level in previous years. Now he is 25 years old and the Jays will need to make a decision soon. Keep him or drop him?

Another name on the 40-man roster is Jo-Jo Reyes. Haven't heard much about him lately, and he's only posted 14 innings at New Hampshire. Hasn't pitched since July 21, so I'm assuming he is injured. He turns 26 in November so he's another one that the Jays must decide whether to keep or drop. His major-league experience makes him intriguing. Can he be shifted to the long-term DL list, so that he's not exposed to other teams in the off-season?

Gerry - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#221207) #

Reemember last off-season when Da Box was excited about the thought of getting Canadian Tyson Gillies in the proposed Halladay trade? Is it better to be lucky than good?

Tyson Gillies, one of three prospects acquired from the Phillies in the Cliff Lee trade last offseason, was arrested in Clearwater early this morning and charged with felony cocaine possession, the Pinellas County Sheriff Department confirmed. Bond was posted and he was released.

TamRa - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#221208) #

last thing first - there is no DL in the off-season

That said, the 40 man won't be as crowded as you think.

Of the current roster, the following are free agents:

Downs, Gregg, Frasor, Buck, Molina, Overbay and Wise

that's seven spots - once they re-add McGowan and Hayhurst from the 60, 4 when they exercise Molina's option

Players who need to be added (at least, I always miss someone)

Jeroloman
Campbell
Sierra

Once you get past that, if you need more spots, these are players who would be EASY to remove without looking back:

Hoffpauir
McCoy (though i like this guy)
Bobby Ray (useful, if he could stay healthy)

So it seems to me you have to get to signing some free agents (or making trades) before you get to any hard decisions.
As for Perez...his ceiling is...Rommie Lewis? maybe Brian Tallet??
Unless i'm wrong about him, my reaction is "meh"

MatO - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 01:40 PM EDT (#221209) #

I would add Farina and Magnusson to that list just off the top of my head.

China fan - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#221210) #

I agree that Hoffpauir can be easily dropped -- probably McCoy and Wise too. But I don't think you can assume that all the free agents will be gone. If the Jays offer arbitration to all of them (in order to get the draft picks, as everyone seems to be urging them to do), a few of them could stay with the Jays. I could see Downs staying, I could see Overbay staying (if he accepts a reduced salary), I could possibly even see Frasor staying (if the Jays aren't keen on Accardo or Carlson or Roenicke -- and they might not be). And one of Molina or Buck will stay. And several names will need to be added to the 40-man too. So it's not necessarily so easy to protect everyone on the roster. We will see.

ogator - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#221212) #

Oh come on, everyone. That was genuinely funny. Thanks for making me laugh, WillRain.

Jonny German - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#221213) #

Funny how different people can look at the same roster and come to very different conclusions... I would drop all of the following ahead of McCoy or Hoffpauir:

Dirk Hayhurst
Rommie Lewis
Luis Perez
Robert Ray
Scott Richmond
Brian Tallet
DeWayne Wise

The big league club already has a strictly-defence backup in John McDonald, it would be nice to have a high-OBP guy as the other utility infielder. Which is what both Hoffpauir and McCoy could be.

And please no more Molina!

Mike Green - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#221214) #

It may not be necessary to protect Emaus, Hoffpauir and McCoy, if space becomes limited, for the same reason that it may not be necessary to protect all of the potential back end of bullpen pitchers. There is probably a balance there somewhere.

Ryan Day - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#221215) #

Given how quickly the Jays gave up on Hoffpaiur, I don't expect him to figure prominently in their future plans. If they want to keep a utility infield guy, it'll likely be McCoy.

Moe - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#221216) #

Funny how different people can look at the same roster and come to very different conclusions... I would drop all of the following ahead of McCoy or Hoffpauir:

I agree with Wise. But why is everyone so low on Richmond? He will make the minimum next year and serves a useful back-up role, assuming he is healthy. Similar for Ray. Tallet I get but only because he'll be too expensive given how the arbitration system works.

TamRa - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#221217) #

I would add Farina and Magnusson to that list just off the top of my head.

And someone else mentioned Emaus.

BUT all three were drafted in 2007...and that class isn't out of time this year, is it?

If that were true Campbell and Jeroloman would have been eligible last year and i don't remember that ever being discussed.

I could see Downs staying, I could see Overbay staying (if he accepts a reduced salary)

The simple solution there, though, has to do with what you like better. For instance, if you keep downs, you have that much less use for a potential LH reliever (i.e. Perez or Lewis)

I already allowed for Molina staying (like it or not, with the option it's pretty likely) and pointed out who would have to be added (albeit, i may have missed someone)

Thanks for making me laugh

Eh?

Original Ryan - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#221218) #

And someone else mentioned Emaus.
BUT all three were drafted in 2007...and that class isn't out of time this year, is it?
If that were true Campbell and Jeroloman would have been eligible last year and i don't remember that ever being discussed.

If a player was signed at age 19 or older, he's eligible for the Rule 5 draft after four seasons (or, more accurately, eligible at his fourth Rule 5 Selection Meeting). If he was signed at age 18 or younger, he's eligible after five seasons.

Emaus is eligible this offseason. Jeroloman would have been eligible last offseason, but there was probably little risk that someone would have taken him after he had such a lousy season offensively.

Jonny German - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#221219) #

But why is everyone so low on Richmond? He will make the minimum next year and serves a useful back-up role, assuming he is healthy. Similar for Ray. Tallet I get but only because he'll be too expensive

League minimum is the appropriate pay rate for the performance I would expect to get from Richmond, Ray, or Tallet. They aren't worth roster space when squeezed.

MatO - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#221220) #

College players drafted in 2007 will now have their 4 years. 2007 2008 2009 2010

John Northey - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#221221) #

I like Richmond, but he really is just the definition of replacement level. A guy who shouldn't embarrass the team but also won't push the team to the next level.

Richmond, Tallet, Frasor, Hayhurst - these are guys who are nice to have in AAA or at the back of the bullpen but not as key performers and can be easily replaced.

Frasor is the best of the batch but his career 118 ERA+ has to be tempored by his 3.9 BB/9 (ugly).

Richmond has an 82 ERA+ with 3.3 BB/9 and 7.4 K/9 - ideal as a 6th/7th starter for many teams but the Jays with the pitching depth that is occurring can move him down to 9th or so.

Tallet has passed his best-before date imo. He is not a quality starter, best used as a long man in the pen but his 4.2 BB/9 is scary high especially with his mediocre 6.6 K/9.

Hayhurst - great writer, but not a ML regular - best in AAA and called up when no kids are ready for a few innings.

Jdog - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 03:43 PM EDT (#221222) #

Like last offseason I would not sweat losing Jeroloman. Back up catchers are easily available I think you hold onto as many arms as you can. I think Richmond could be very useful out of the pen, especially when facing a heavy right portion of a line-up.

Gerry - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#221223) #

I checked on some injuries with the Jays:

AJ Jimenez will hopefully be back in a week or so. He had some elbow problems which always makes people nervous but at this stage it doesn't appear serious.

Travis D'Arnaud will not be back in 2010. He is on a core strengthening program to try and avoid any future back problems. Obviously this could be a concern if it lingers.

Henderson Alvarez was shut down due to general fatigue and should be back before the end of the season.

TamRa - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#221224) #

College players drafted in 2007 will now have their 4 years. 2007 2008 2009 2010

i don't dispute this but i just can't ever seem to wrap my head around the idea that the year you are drafted counts.

Still, while not claiming to be right, the info out there isn't real clear -

this from Cotts:

After 4 or 5 years as a professional, a player must be added to his club�s 40-man roster or exposed to the 29 other clubs in the Rule 5 draft. (Under the new CBA, a club has 5 years to evaluate a player who signs his first pro contract at 18 years old or younger, but only 4 years to decide on a player who signs at age 19.) For purposes of calculating years as a pro, the counting begins the day a player signs his first pro contract, not the season he begins to play.

Taken literally,one would think that this means four/five years from the signing date.

i.e. Deck McGuire signs August 16 2010, he's not eligible until the first draft after August 16, 2014. but if what i've been told a few times now is true, signing on August 16 2010 and not playing at all STILL puts the 2010 season down as one of the 4 in which a team has to evaluate a player....even though that isn't consistant with "has 4 years to evaluate a player" - given that the jays will get very little chance, if any, to evaluate Deck as a pro this season.

It may be true, but it is wildly illogical IMO.

All the more reason that6 AA is right that there ought to be a very short window for picks to sign, so they can actually have that year.

TamRa - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#221225) #

Travis D'Arnaud will not be back in 2010. He is on a core strengthening program to try and avoid any future back problems. Obviously this could be a concern if it lingers.

Maybe start thinking position change if this is a problem next year?

TamRa - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 04:59 PM EDT (#221226) #

Back to the roster....

I've mixed feelings on Richmond - i wouldn't mourn losing him but i wonder if he might not be so easily ditched

Hayhurst - we've waived him and re-signed him twice and likely will again.

McGowan - we might very well try to reach an agreement with him like we wanted to do (and failed) with Carpenter as a wa to free his roster spot.

Tallet - i'd non-tender him, if i couldn't find a trade partner

Ray - he'd be...Richmond maybe, if healthy. not knowing the health details of either man, it's hard to say which to keep and which to dispatch, I'd be inclined to keep one of them if possible.

Perez - I'm not real worried about losing him, i think his ceiling is low

Accardo - probably gets non-tendered

Lewis - fringy

Reyes - not knowing his health situation, or what the team thinks of him, it's hard to say, but it seems awfully quick to ditch him.

Among the hitters - Emaus makes Hoffpauir redundant, at a minimum - probably consider McCoy fungible too, although like Hayhurst, I'd like to bring him back on a minor league deal.

Add to all that, I forgot a couple of names that need consideration - Loewen and Shawn Hill.

Soooooooo....

Seven free agents = 33 on the roster, add Molina and it's 34, Mcgowan and it's 35

Drop Hayhurst, Hoff, McCoy, Perez, and one of Richmond/Ray.

now you are at 30

Add Jeroloman, Campbell, Sierra, Emaus, Magnuson, Farina, Hill, and Loewen and you are at 38.

(and really, no one is going to draft Campbell off a lost season anyway, so I'm being real generous there)

That leaves two spots - if you are going to non-tender Accardo and Tallet, you could do so early if you needed a couple of other spots.

I don't think the crowding issue is gonna cost us anyone that hurts us or helps anyone else much.

Original Ryan - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#221227) #

Rule 5 draft eligibility isn't really based on years per se, but on the number of Rule 5 Selection Meetings that the player has been subject to since he was signed. Eligibility for the draft is stated in Rule 5(c), which I have copied below:

(c) PLAYERS SUBJECT TO SELECTION. All players on the Minor League Reserve Lists of Major League and Minor League Clubs, except players on the Voluntarily Retired, Disqualified or Ineligible Lists, shall be subject to selection by other Major League Clubs at the Rule 5 Selection Meeting in accordance with the following:

(1) A player without previous Major or Minor League service who signs with a Major League or independent Minor League Club shall be subject to selection based on the following:

(A) if 18 years of age or under on the June 5 immediately preceding the player's signing, the player shall be subject to selection at the fifth Rule 5 Selection Meeting that follows the signing date of the player's first Major or Minor League contract, unless Rule 5(c)(1)(C) applies;

(B) if 19 years of age or over on the June 5 immediately preceding the player's signing, the player shall be subject to selection at the fourth Selection Meeting that follows the signing date of the player's first Major or Minor League contract, unless Rule 5(c)(1)(C) applies;

(C) if the signing date of a player�s first Major or Minor League contract is between

(i) the conclusion of the championship season for the Major or Minor League Club to which the player is assigned on such contract and

(ii) the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting,

then the player shall be deemed to have signed after the next Rule 5 Selection Meeting, for purposes of this Rule 5(c)(1).

This is copied from the 2008 Major League Rules available on the Business of Baseball website.

Waveburner - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#221228) #

Interesting looking at the 2007 draft, the first six college players drafted should all end up on the 40 man roster (Arencibia, Cecil, Magnuson, Farina, Mills, Rzepczinski). That's fantastic, even if it's unlikely all six make the majors as regulars. Add in Emaus and Mastroianni from the later rounds and the Jays college scouts really did an amazing job in '07. The high school guys all look like suspects instead of prospects (except maybe McDade, who was easily the least hyped of all the high school guys in '07, including Talley). As far as the 40 man goes, I don't think Campbell or Sierra need protection coming off bad injuries (and poor performances when playing). Only guys I'd be adding are Jeroloman, Magnuson, Farina, Emaus, Mastroianni, Hill and maybe Loewen if protecting him is a good idea despite the lack of options.

TamRa - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#221229) #

oh crap! Mastorianni...didn't look far enough down the draft list to pick him up.
Definately a keeper.

TamRa - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#221230) #

I don't think Campbell or Sierra need protection coming off bad injuries (and poor performances when playing).

You might be right, but I'd rather lose a marginal guy like Hoff if need be than risk losing Sierra. I think Campbell is pretty safe, given the lack of a premium ceiling and the nature of his injury. but i'd worry about losing Sierra.

Waveburner - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#221231) #

I don't think either one will require a spot on the 40 man. And IMO Sierra less so. This is a corner outfielder who has not played above A ball, has yet to display home run power and has just average plate dicipline. And he just missed virtually an entire season. I know there are some awful Major League teams, but no way a team carries him all season on their active roster. Still, if I had just one open spot and really felt I had to protect one of them, it would be Sierra. Hoffpair is just a AAAA guy.

Kelekin - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#221232) #

I do think you need to add Jeroloman, regardless of if he is a "future back-up". He's a talented future back-up. Solid defense, solid OBP skills. That's what I want in a back-up and I think it'd be a waste to not at least get 3 minor league years out of him.

I think Perez should be tried as a reliever, he has no future as a starter and the guy just does not interest me. I don't really see Hoffpauir -or- McCoy as necessary, especially with Emaus and a hopefully healthy Campbell.

Magnuson and Farina are definites from that 07 draft, they'll be protected. Boone is an interesting case. I put him in the meh Luis Perez boat, but I also see no reason he is in AA. I also would say Gailey is curious. He's been solid but over-age at every level and is at a lower level than he deserves. He has a career 2 ERA in the minors, so someone might find him appealing.

I really hope they don't put someone like Calderone on the 40-man.

Magpie - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#221234) #

Richmond, of course, has an enormous platoon split. On the one hand, this is a weakness - but it's easy to see how it could be used as a strength. A guy who in his somewhat mediocre major league career has still managed to hold RH batters to .214/.253/.368 ought to be able to find a role as a situational guy out of the pen. A ROOGY, to be sure!

Marc Hulet - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#221235) #

The Jimenez elbow injury worries me a little bit because he had an elbow injury as an amateur, which caused him to drop in the draft and made him available to the Jays... he was more of a third rounder from a talent perspective and the Jays got him in the ninth round because there were rumors he needed TJ surgery...

jerjapan - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#221236) #

Can someone explain to me the appeal of Adam Loewen? Sure, he's improved significantly from last year at a higher level, but he' s 26 years old and has an OPS under 800 in AA. I know he's only been hitting full-time a couple of years, so it's tricky to compare him to other prospects, but why protect him instead of, say, Lubanski? (Not that I'm suggesting Lubanski be protected).

Marc Hulet - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#221238) #

That would be where scouting speaks more than statistics. Loewen is a much better looking player from a scouting perspective than Lubanski. He has 3,000 at-bats and his only two really good seasons have come in extreme hitter's parks. Loewen was an outstanding amateur hitter who only has 650 at-bats and outstanding raw power and good athleticism. With Loewen it's all about repetition and pitch recognition. His age is irrelevant at this point because, as a hitter, he is a second-year pro.

Mike Green - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#221239) #

It's nice to get two wins in a night- 9-0 in the main event over Jon Lester, and 7-2 in an exhibition contest afterwards. Too bad that only one of the wins counts...

Dave Till - Friday, August 20 2010 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#221240) #

I started watching baseball in an earlier era: whenever the Jays score that many runs, I'm worried that somebody's going to get beaned.

Even now, you could spot the Jays being extremely muted in their congratulations after scoring oh, about the 14th run or so. Jose Bautista had to go around the bases apologetically.

Waveburner - Saturday, August 21 2010 @ 06:32 PM EDT (#221260) #

Another name needing to go on the 40 man is Kyle Drabeck. Drafted in '06 out of high school so he's been elligible 5 times correct?

TamRa - Sunday, August 22 2010 @ 02:45 AM EDT (#221269) #

by George you are right

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