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The parent club could have used the rehabbing catcher's bat in Oakland Tuesday night.  Instead, New Hampshire got to enjoy the benefits as the Fisher Cats highlighted a 4-1 night on the farm.



New Orleans 9 Las Vegas 5

Metairie, LA - The Marlins affiliate scored twice in the first and had a four-run outburst in the fifth to keep them ahead.  The 51's best inning was a three-run seventh to make the final score a little more respectable.

Batting - Chris Lubanski tried to do his best against the New Orleans nihilists with a homer, a single, two walks and two runs batted in.  Dan Perales also had two hits with a double and a single.  Brad Emaus had a hit and a walk.  Aaron Matthews had a double and two runs knocked in.  Jarrett Hoffpauir and Manny Mayorson each singled.  Raul Chavez, Mike Jacobs and Jason Lane were a combined 0-for-12.  Chavez did drive in a run but Lane whiffed three times.

Running - Hoffpauir was thrown out at second trying to turn a single into a double.

Pitching - It was not a great game for Strasburg Canada.  Lefty Brad Mills surrendered eight runs on nine hits and a walk over 4 2/3 innings.  He struck out four but that also matched his home runs allowed total on the evening.  Lefty Zach Jackson scattered three hits over 2 1/3 shutout frames while striking out three.  Merkin Valdez gave up a solo homer but struck out one in his one inning of work.

Defence - Chavez and Mills were victimized twice by basestealers.

New Hampshire 15 Binghamton 5

Manchester, NH - This game was over early.  The Fisher Cats put 11 runs up on the board over the first three innings before the B-Mets woke up with a five-run fourth.

Batting - John Buck had a two-run home run and a grand slam for a six RBI night.  Just hazarding a guess but I don't think his thumb is bothering him anymore!   Adam Calderone went deep, doubled and walked twice to drive home three runs.  David Cooper added a homer among his three-hit, three RBI night and Callix Crabbe had a three-hit night that included a double.  Eric Thames walked three times and scored thrice and Jonathan Diaz also drew three bases on balls.  Adeiny Hechavarria had two hits and three runs batted in and Darin Mastroianni had a two-hit game.  Adam Loewen had a single and a walk.  Jonathan Jaspe and Luis Sanchez did not reach base in their lone plate appearances late in the game.

Running - There were no steals as 15 hits and nine walks proved sufficient.

Pitching - Kyle Drabek earned his 13th win of the year despite a WHIP of three in his five innings.  He gave up five runs on nine hits and six walks while striking out four and inducing seven groundouts.  B.J. LaMura was credited with a hold by throwing three shutout innings.  He allowed just one hit, struck out a pair and he got four outs on the ground.  Vincent Bongiovanni struck one man out in a perfect inning of work.

Defence - The F-Cats turned double plays that were scored 5-3 and 6-4-3 on the scorecard.

Dunedin 7 Brevard County 5

Viera, FL - The D-Jays snapped a 5-5 tie with a two-run eighth.  The Brewers affiliate erased a 2-0 first inning deficit with a four-run first but could not hang on.

Batting - Yan Gomes reached base four times with a single, a double and two walks.  Mark Sobolewski had two singles, a walk and two runs batted in while Jon Talley did the same minus the walk.  Anthony Gose scored three runs as he was hit by a pitch twice and drew a walk.  Ryan Goins had a single, a walk and a sacrifice and Kenny Wilson singled to earn his first hit as a D-Jay and knocked home two runs in the process.  Justin McClanahan also got a base knock.    Ryan Schimpf and Mike McDade also heard ball four.

Running - Gose stole his 39th base of the season.

Pitching - Dumas Garcia got the spot start in this one and he allowed four runs on six hits and two walks over three innings.  He did strike out five and recorded four groundball outs.  Lefty Frank Gailey allowed just one run despite six hits in three innings.  He struck out three and got four outs on the ground.  The winner was lefty Evan Crawford as he gave up just one hit over two scoreless innings.  He struck out three and his groundout total was three.  Matt Daly had a 1-1 K/BB total in his one shutout frame to get the save.  He maintained the groundball tendency with two outs on terra firma.

Defence - Gomes was not able to throw out a base stealer with Garcia on the bump.
 

GCL Blue Jays 2 GCL Pirates 0

Dunedin, FL - All the scoring came in the bottom of the seventh on one swing of the bat.


Batting - Chris Hawkins had the only multi-hit game with two.  Art Charles struck the deciding blow and the only extra-base hit with a two-run homer with Kellen Sweeney on board.  Sweeney, Dalton Pompey, Carlos Ramirez and Matt Abraham each had a knock and a walk.  Ronald Melendez and Pierce Rankin drew a walk apiece.  Shane Opitz was the only Jay who did not get on base.

Running - Hawkins
and Pompey each stole a base but Pompey was caught trying to steal home on a 1-6-2 putout.

Pitching - Aaron Sanchez fired four no-hit innings.  He did walk four but rung up seven K's and induced three groundouts.  Lefty Leandro Mella spun a couple of shutout frames and gave up just one hit while striking out a batter.  The other five outs were in the air.  Milciades Santana was the winning pitcher as he struck out half of the six batters he faced over two perfect innings.  His other three outs were on the ground.  Alesone Escalante pitched a one-hit ninth to collect the save.  Two of his outs were on the grass.

Defence
- Rankin was 0-for-2 in trying to throw out basestealers with Sanchez and Mella on the hill.  Opitz started a 6-4-3 double play.

DSL Blue Jays 6 DSL Tigers 4 (Completed after 6 1/2 innings)

San Pedro de Macoris, D.R. - The Jays overcame a 4-2 deficit with four runs in the top of the seventh before this game was "completed early" according to the box score.

Batting - Tonguar Perez had a perfect 3-for-3 day at the plate, including a double.  Aderlin Gonzalez had two hits with a triple and an RBI single.  Fausto Natera had a single, a walk and two RBI while Alvaro Blanco recorded a single and took one for the team.  Gabriel Quintana tied the game with his lone hit, a two-run double and Maydawin De La Cruz had a single.  The 3-4-5 trio of Santiago Nessy, John Delgado and Angel Feliz were a combined 0-for-9.

Running - Gonzalez stole two bases on the day.  De La Cruz scored the winning run on a wild pitch.

Pitching - Eyeres Guerrero pitched 4 1/3 innings and gave up three runs on six hits and a walk.  He also threw a wild pitch. Victor German earned the win as he surrendered a run on three hits, a walk and a hit by pitch.  Guerrero had the lone strikeout between the two as he split his groundouts and flyouts at six apiece.

Defence - Nessy was 1-for-3 in throwing out basestealers.  His successful attempt came with German on the mound.  Guerrero was on the hill when the two steals happened.

*** 3 Stars!!! ***

3.  David Cooper, New Hampshire

2.  Adam Calderone, New Hampshire

1.  John Buck, New Hampshire

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Magpie - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 05:01 AM EDT (#221069) #
The Buck stopped here?
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 09:23 AM EDT (#221074) #
Buck passes through Cooper's town?
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 09:32 AM EDT (#221076) #
Gose's slash line since he arrived in Dunedin: .275/.346/.449.  He turned 20 last week.  He may start 2011 in Dunedin, but the odds are pretty good that he'll be in New Hampshire by mid-season.
jerjapan - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 09:50 AM EDT (#221078) #
Any chance of a September call-up for the Big Lubanski?  He's been raking all year, is particularly hot right now, and his numbers are comparable to Ruiz's from last year - plus he's still a youngish 25 year old former 5th overall pick.  We've had good luck rehabbing other intriguing talents from third rate organizations before ...

if not him, then who deserves a call?  I'm thinking Accardo, Roenicke, Hill and an infielder from Vegas - I'd love to see Emaus get a look, although the Jays will likely go with McCoy.. 
whiterasta80 - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 10:09 AM EDT (#221079) #

Am I the only one that thinks David Cooper still has a shot to make the bigs? He's shown a huge improvement in the power department this year (albeit at the expense of OBP) and is really coming on of late.  I still don't see a huge difference between him and Brett Wallace as prospects, although I was never a big Wallace guy.

I'd still like a better 1B prospect (or a full commit to the Adam Lind to 1B experiment) but its nice to see him recover a bit of his lustre.

Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#221081) #
I do too.  Cooper's splits are not particularly encouraging, save for the obvious across-the-board improvement which occurred in about mid-June.  Since then, his LD rate is up, his power has increased and he still has a pretty good W/K rate.  I still can imagine him as good well-rounded hitter, perhaps with a little more pop than Overbay in a best-case scenario, but without Overbay's fine glove. He needs at least another year in the high minors though. 
DH - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 10:28 AM EDT (#221082) #
Speaking of Randy Ruiz (via Lubanski comment), here's his player page from Japan:

http://www.rakuteneagles.jp/team/player/detail/42.html

I can't for the life of me find his stats.
John Northey - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#221084) #
Quite the outfits that team has - check Wikipedia to see how Ruiz looks.

Checking the page link provided mixed with the hitter stats page it seem Ruiz' name in Japanese is ルイーズ (Google translates it to 'Louise'). His stats come out to a 242 average with 7 home runs 178 AB's with 14 walks vs 76 strikeouts (ouch) with 1 'dead ball' (guessing hit by pitch) in 194 PA for a slash line of (roughly) 242/299/410. He has played in 53 of the teams 108 games.
Magpie - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#221087) #
I would think the team's roster situation makes it effectively impossible for Emaus or Lubanski to get a September call-up. There are already 42 players on the the 40 man roster (McGowan and Hayhurst are on the 60 day DL). So they'd have to DFA Rommie Lewis and Scott Richmond, for example, just so those guys could sit on a MLB bench for a few weeks.

I'd expect to see Mills and Arencibia come back, along with McCoy and (maybe) Roenicke.
John Northey - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#221088) #
JPA is a lock I'd say. As for others I suspect the rule this year will be 40 man already, and in AAA.

Thus for infield/outfield backup McCoy (SS/CF in AAA) - no need for more than 1 more of these.

LHP: Mills as he can do Tallet's role (which Tallet has had issues with this year).

RHP: Shawn Hill - not on 40 man, but will be protected this winter and I suspect it was part of the deal with him plus he could eat a lot of innings. 42 IP so far with 0 HR given up - dang nice.

RHP: Scott Richmond - up to 21 IP in high A 14 H, 6 BB 13 SO with 0 HR - again, very solid and if he is at all in the Jays plans (AAA insurance) they should look at him this September.

That's about it IMO. I do not see Accardo getting another shot here in Toronto - it seems he has burned too many bridges.

Btw, as to our favorite small guy - Tim Collins has thrown 12 innings at KC's AAA level giving up 5 hits, 6 walks, 12 strikeouts, 1 run. Given how poor KC is as a team it is possible he gets a callup. Of the 3 left handers KC has used this year one is in the rotation with a 91 ERA+ (Bruce Chen), one has stunk out of the pen (Dusty Hughes - 20 times has allowed a run to score, either his or someone else's, out of 43 appearances), and the 3rd has a total of 6 IP (John Parrish who appears to either be hurt or released). I'd say that is opportunity not just knocking but banging down the door.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#221089) #
The 40 man could, in my view, easily accommodate a couple of additions in September.  Jesse Litsch could be moved to the 60 day DL.  Mastroianni could be moved up after New Hampshire's season/playoffs are done with DeWayne Wise being released.  Accardo and/or Roenicke and/or Ray could be called up, as they are already on the 40 man.  Ray could easily take a start or three from pitchers near their season limits.
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#221090) #

Players that need to be added to the 40-man after the season include Brad Emaus, Brian Jeroloman, Alan Farina, Trystan Magnuson, Randy Boone, Darin Mastroianni and (maybe depending how they want to play it) Adam Loewen. Loewen (because he's out of options) would probably be best left on a minor-league deal with a large promotion bonus to avoid being claimed in the Rule 5.... and Boone is probably the least likely to be protected...

Those players' addition needs, though, will make it difficult for the club to promote a minor league vet like Lubanski.

PeterG - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#221091) #

Rob Ray seems an obvious September call-up. He's already on the 40 man and he has innings left to give which will be a need at the major league level in September.

Gerry - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#221092) #
When I was in Lansing this weekend John Lott from the National Post was there too.  Here is his story on Sal Fasano.  There is a good picture of the fu-manchu too.
Jonny German - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#221093) #
I see lots of fat on the 40-man. I would lose no sleep over cutting any of these:
 
Rommie Lewis
Luis Perez
Robert Ray
Scott Richmond
Brian Tallet
DeWayne Wise
 
And as Mike mentioned, Jesse Litsch could be transferred to the 60-day DL.
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 01:29 PM EDT (#221094) #
Names possibly coming off the 40-man roster at the end of the year include Gregg, Downs, Frasor, Buck, Overbay, Encarnacion, Molina, Wise, Accardo, Richmond, McCoy, and Hoffpauir... 12 spots... some could be designated early, such as McCoy and/or Hoffpauir.
ayjackson - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 01:49 PM EDT (#221095) #

Yeah, why would you call up McCoy/Hoffpaiur, when Emaus needs to be added to the 40 man anyway?  DFA those two once their season's over and call up Emaus.   I could see them calling up Hechevarria too - they brought him into NY to be with the team on a recent NH off day.

John Northey - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 01:49 PM EDT (#221096) #
Good point Marc that guys who need to be added this winter should be looked at. Loewen seems an option for the outfield, while Jeroloman might be behind the plate. Right now we have 41 guys who are on the roster or 60-day DL (McGowan, Hayhurst). Easy cuts this winter are Hayhurst (sorry), Rommie Lewis, Hoffpauir, McCoy, Wise, Luis Perez (maybe Rob Ray). Mix in free agents Frasor, Downs, Buck and you have up to 9 slots (1 over right now) opened up. 8 slots could be required for Emaus, Jeroloman, Farina, Magnuson, Boone, Mastroianni, Loewen, and Hill (in arbitration if kept and imo he should be kept around).

Realistically though for September 1st what matters most is what the ML team needs. A third catcher is a must (JPA), one more infielder wouldn't hurt (McCoy), and a couple of guys to eat innings as starters inning limits are reached (Mills, Richmond, Hill can cover this easily). Jo-Jo Reyes might be called up so the Jays can see for themselves if they have anything there. Roenicke & Accardo both have ML experience but showed control issues in the majors (walks for Roenicke, attitude control needed for Accardo).

Also of note: Hechavarria is on the 40 man roster and might have a September call-up as part of his deal. He is only hitting 267/303/367 in AA now after his hot start, but is supposed to be a gold glove caliber fielder already. Having him caddy for Escobar in September might not be a bad idea - he could probably out-hit McDonald already :)
John Northey - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#221097) #
Oops, add Overbay to my list of free agents (knew someone slipped my mind). So no issues for roster slots with 10 being easily opened up.
Moe - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#221098) #
Names possibly coming off the 40-man roster at the end of the year include Gregg, Downs, Frasor, Buck, Overbay, Encarnacion, Molina, Wise, Accardo, Richmond, McCoy, and Hoffpauir... 12 spots... some could be designated early, such as McCoy and/or Hoffpauir.

Keep in mind that not all these spots can be filled from within; e.g. I don't see a good replacement for Overbay among those who must be on the 40 men roster. Probably there will be enough room (one would have to sit down and make a proper list by position) but it's not like there is a lot of space. And it doesn't help with spots for call-ups in September that Downs will be gone after the season.


I would lose no sleep over cutting any of these:

I would think the Jays should hold onto Richmond. He will still make the minimum next season. Tallet is less clear, he is expensive and somewhat redundant. EE is a tough one. He has played well for a while now but he will make a lot of money on a 1 year deal. Maybe the Jays can work something out, e.g. 2 years at not much more than he might get in arb.

Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#221099) #
"DFA" is a little too close to Dan Savage's "DMFA" for my liking.  But, yeah, I would be content if the club had a look at Emaus in September with McCoy or Hoffpauir being released. 
Magpie - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#221102) #
"DFA" is a little too close to Dan Savage's "DMFA" for my liking.

Kinda means the same thing, though....
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#221103) #
Not exactly, Magpie.  Partings on account of poor performance vs. nastiness.  I think I'll leave it at that, as this is a PG site.
Jonny German - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#221104) #
For those of you assuming Encarnacion is gone... who plays third base for you in 2011? I don't think there's a better option available internally or on the free agent market, unless you want to break the bank (and take a risk) by signing Beltre or Ramirez.
John Northey - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#221105) #
This winter and the 40 man will be an interesting sight. With AA talking about how he needs to get this team to 95 wins I suspect we'll see a few of the old prospects starting to be thinned out. If your K/9 is under 7 you probably aren't AA's type of pitcher. If you are a poor defender and unable to slug 500 your days here are probably numbered (Cooper). But he still needs a strong AAA team and AA and so on or the affiliates will vanish. We also need to see some backup choices in AAA for the majors, especially when it comes to pitching. So guys like Richmond and Hayhurst who are cheap and easy to move from AAA to the majors and back do have value.

I suspect Tallet will be let go while Litsch could even be removed from the 40 man if needed. Accardo is probably on the way out too with his 5.7 K/9 in AAA. Hitting depth is much less though so hitters are safer this winter. For now.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#221106) #
I don't know what I would do, but I suppose it is possible that Bautista moves back to third, Snider plays right field and you use Lewis or Thames/Mastroianni or a free agent in left-field.  You could also keep Emaus around and play him against LHPs at third and move Bautista back to the OF.
Jonny German - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#221107) #
That sounds reasonable Mike, I was forgetting about the option of Bautista at third. I'd want to be very sure of his buy-in on that scenario, the degree to which he regresses in 2011 will go a long way towards the quality of the offence.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 03:36 PM EDT (#221108) #
Incidentally, the Cot's 2011-14 payroll chart shows two interesting things:

  • the committed payroll for 2011 is $43 million (although there are a couple of later arb guys)
  • Bautista's agent is apparently named Bean Stringfellow.

whiterasta80 - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#221109) #

You're opposed to playing Jo Bau there?

Magpie - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#221111) #
I certainly wouldn't assume Encarnacion, or even Overbay, is gone. I don't see anyone ready to take over at either spot. I know there's a school of thought that says play Lind at 1b, Bautista at 3b, and Lewis-Wells-Snider in the outfield. You could try that...

But I think you'll find yourself wondering why your pitcher's ERAs all went up by a run....
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#221112) #
I don't know that the defensive difference between Bautista/Encarnacion and Lind/Overbay would amount to a run, but the point is well-taken. 

One other medium-term option may be Hecchevarria to short, Escobar to second and Hill to third.  Decisions, decisions.

Kasi - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#221113) #
Someone needs to be moved to at least open up a spot for Snider to play every day. That could be Lewis, it could be Overbay or it could be Encarnacion. But if this roster stays the same over the winter Snider will once again be platooned with Lewis, as Wells is really our only CF and Bautista will play in right every day.
China fan - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#221115) #
Given that AA chose to trade Brett Wallace and designate Encarnacion for assignment this season already, in full knowledge of the lack of obvious alternatives in the Jays system, I'd have to guess that he's planning to acquire one or two corner infielders on the free-agent market or trade market in the off-season.  He has already remarked publicly that they're much easier to find than centre fielders.  The defensive liabilities of Lind and Lewis must be fairly obvious to Anthopolous, and he knows that Bautista's best position is RF.  Somehow I can't see him going with Lewis-Wells-Snider in the outfield in 2011.
Magpie - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#221119) #
I don't know that the defensive difference between Bautista/Encarnacion and Lind/Overbay would amount to a run, but the point is well-taken.

Probably not - but Overbay-Lind, Snider-Lewis, Bautista-Snider all represent pretty clear defensive downgrades (Enacrnacion-Bautista is surprisingly murky. Butterfield really is a magician.)

The FA class after this season, besides Overbay, includes Albert Pujols? As well as Carlos Pena, Lance Berkmann, Paul Konerko, Adam Dunn, and Derrek Lee. I believe Lee is becoming an Atlanta Brave while I type...

Third base isn't nearly as impressive. Besides Beltre (who seems to be one of those guys - there really aren't very many - who saves his outstanding seasons for his FA years), I really don't see anyone who would represent a real upgrade.
Jonny German - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#221120) #

Very hypothetically, how would you feel about the defence with Carl Crawford in centre and Wells in right? This would have Snider in left and Bautista at third.

Magpie - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#221121) #
Crawford's arm might not be up to CF....

Nice hustle by Overbay there.
MatO - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#221122) #
I don't know what's responsible but the Jays team defensive efficiency has cracked the top ten after being middle-of-the-pack most of the year.
Kelekin - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#221123) #
I actually do think Lind should be at 1B.  Sure, there could be growing pains, but it's a position he played before and he did fine at it.  They just thought he'd have more value in the OF when he was drafted because they didn't think he'd hit for as much power as he has.

I think if anyone needs to go before next year it is Lewis, but I know it won't happen.  I'd really love to run a true speedy lead-off hitter out there, like Maestro.  Even if he's a rookie and has growing pains as well, there is no denying he could steal at least 30-40 bases.

Magpie - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#221124) #
Actually, probably more accurate to say Crawford's arm is definitely not good enough to play CF. (Otherwise, the Rays would have put him there years ago.)

Lots of action this off-season. Buck, Overbay, Downs, and Frasor are the FAs, right? Molina and Gregg are the guys with club options for 2011.

And the arbitration group features Encarnacion, Bautista, Camp, Tallet, Marcum, Accardo, Janssen, McGowan, Lewis, Escobar, Litsch, Morrow. They'll probably sign one-year deals with most of those guys... Is there anyone in the arb group you'd want to try to lock up long-term?
Thomas - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#221125) #
I'd have to guess that he's planning to acquire one or two corner infielders on the free-agent market or trade market in the off-season.

I wonder if Anthopolous will inquire about Cincinnati's Yonder Alonso? He's not my favourite first-base prospect, but he's blocked in Cincinnati by Joey Votto and will likely be turned into an outfielder if he remains a Red. If the front office doesn't see Lind as viable regular first baseman, it would be worth seeing what the Reds want in return for Alonso. Cincinnati has several talented young outfielders (Bruce, Heisey and Stubbs) and may think it is better to upgrade elsewhere rather than introduce Alonso into that mix. The biggest obstacle may be that Toronto's biggest strength is in starting pitching and the Reds have several good young starters themselves (Cueto, Leake and Bailey).

Magpie - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#221126) #
it's a position [Lind] played before and he did fine at it.

That's way more than I know. I only know it was in college, which was a long time ago, and it was only about 50 games. I've only see him play three games at first, in which one of his tosses to the bag was so bad that a pitcher actually injured himself. Don't see that very often. A conservative estimate would be an additional 15-20 throwing errors to the other infielders (we track first base scoops at STATS - Overbay is one of the very best at it, and that's about how many errors he saves compared to an average first baseman.)

Assuming Lind would be even an average first baseman seems optimistic to me. He's a geeky and klutzy outfielder and baserunner. He's simply not someone I want handling the baseball 15 times a game....

On the other hand.... Brian Butterfield!
Paul D - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#221127) #
Fred Lewis strikes me as a excellent 4th OF, and I hope that's his role on the team next year.
Kelekin - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 06:03 PM EDT (#221128) #
When I ranked the 1B before the 2008 draft, I had Alonso - Smoak - Davis - Cooper.  Davis and Smoak have made it, and Alonso has been less than stellar so far.  But he also only has 870 PAs so far, which isn't very many (Cooper has 1316 for comparison).  Ultimately, I think Alonso might only have 20 HR power but has the potential for a good amount of walks when he adjusted (his walk ratios in college were just sick).  So really, he's not going to be any better than Wallace, but if you could somehow get him without giving up too much, I think you do that.
Kelekin - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 06:04 PM EDT (#221129) #
*College 1Bs, rather.
ayjackson - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 06:17 PM EDT (#221130) #
I don't think Flew is interested in being a 4th outfielder and he's already complaining about not starting.
Kasi - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#221131) #
I don't think he has the skillset either. He doesn't have the arm for right field, and we know about his issues in center field. Your 4th OF needs to be capable of playing all 3 positions there, and he barely seems capable of playing one. I'd much rather have Snider in left then him. (or right for that matter)
cybercavalier - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#221132) #
I actually do think Lind should be at 1B.  Sure, there could be growing pains, but it's a position he played before and he did fine at it. [...] Ultimately, I think Alonso might only have 20 HR power but has the potential for a good amount of walks when he adjusted (his walk ratios in college were just sick).  So really, he's not going to be any better than Wallace, but if you could somehow get him without giving up too much, I think you do that.

I do agree with Kelekin and Magpie on Lind and Alonso. In my opinion, 1B free agents, prospects and AAAA players are relatively easy to be found with comparison to players at other positions, notwithstanding the conversion of players to first basemen. So I do ask myself this question, "if Alonso is landed to Las Vegas AAA, will he be a part of the Jays' future? Or will he be another Brett Wallace, who would be switching teams?" For the arbitration group players, Marcum and Morrow would be tough decisions locking up long term. Approaching the trade deadline, I would have thought that Camp, Tallet and Accardo would be sent to some teams deficient of pitching: the Jays can manage Accardo the way Alex Gonzalez of this season was handled. Lewis is a good outfielder depth candidate (so I agree with Kasi on Lewis).

Personally, I do think Camp et al. could be sent to the Nationals for their low level minor talents or draft picks. When the Expos left for D.C., I have a wishful thinking that the Nats could raise again.
Kasi - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#221133) #
For a guy with such a defensive reputation, Molina seems pretty average at stopping passed balls.
Mylegacy - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#221135) #
Not so fast lads -

I really don't see any in-house or in-system replacement for Gregg, Downs, Encarnacion and one of Molina or Buck. Since Buck is ON RECORD as saying he doesn't want to be a "back-up" then the guy we need to back up JPA is Molina. In addition, I suspect we'd miss Frasor more than some of us might let on.

My problem with Gregg is that while he is very good at what he does - he does it with precision - if his precision is off - even a bit - his stuff isn't really good enough to challenge good hitters. He's been very good - but he scares me. Downs is just not replaceable - seriously - without him our bullpen will be a shadow of itself. Encarnacion is a guy I'd like to see gone - but - is there something better out there that is available? Maybe if Hech or someone could "win" second Hill could move over - but otherwise?

It'll be interesting to see how AA handles these challenges - to some degree his view of 2011 as either a building year or contending year will colour which way he goes. If he resigns Downs we know he's going for it - if he offers him arbitration and lets him go we'll know he's thinking "draft picks" and thinking our great development this year is more mirage than substance.

A full year of Snider, JPA, Bautista, Lind, Hill, Escobar and friends - coupled with the 1950's 1960's singing group "The Four Aces" - THAT is something I'd happily pay to watch play every night. Assuming we don't give the bullpen away for future dreams of glory.

PeterG - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 08:09 PM EDT (#221136) #
Molina is terrible at blocking and imo is terrible defensively overall with an undeserved reputation. He is, however, excellent at calling a game and handling pitchers.
John Northey - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#221137) #
For this offseason what 1B are free agents (who could step into Overbay's shoes)?

Adam Dunn, Wes Helms, Jason Giambi, Paul Konerko, Derrek Lee, Carlos Pena are listed at Cot's Contracts (Pujols has a team option - no way StL doesn't use it).

Dunn & Konerko are about as bad as it gets for fielding. Giambi also doesn't get paid for defense. Pena has been good at times according to FanGraphs but also bad. Lee has been good defensively lately but his offense hasn't been this year.

Well, if the Jays are willing to risk some bucks Lee would be tempting, maybe Pena but thats it as far as I can tell.
Mylegacy - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#221138) #
John, Overbay is seriously - the least of our problems. Lind could play first - how well - spring training would tell - I suspect after a full spring of being coached he'd he passable - at least. The real pain is Downs, Encarnacion, Gregg, Frasor, Buck/Molina etal - guys we have no legitimate replacements for - with the possible exception of Frasor and - we only need one of our two catchers to back up JPA.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#221139) #
In answer to questions from Jonny and Magpie:

1. Carl Crawford in CF- I am not fond of the conventional wisdom that the CF must have a good arm.  It's obviously an asset, but in my view, it pales beside range in importance.  Crawford has tremendous range for a LF, and would, in my view, have somewhat above average range as an everyday centerfielder.  He is not stretched defensively there, and would probably end up average overall, and with a better aging curve than Vernon Wells.  The issue would be length of contract.
2. Long-term contract possibilities- Snider (if he's willing to go for a 4 year deal with club options for another couple), Bautista (3 years maybe), Escobar (3 years plus a club option maybe).  There would be no shame in not entering into any of these.

Seeing as this is a minor league thread, it should be noted that Gose homered again tonight. 

John Northey - Wednesday, August 18 2010 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#221140) #
IMO Encarnacion is here for 2011 for certain while Emaus is getting ready with the ability to move Hill or Escobar to third if needed.

Molina is signed for 2011 (team option) and defense first catchers for backups are a dime a dozen.

Frasor? Janssen has already taken over his role in many respects as has Camp. Thus he is, for 2011, #4 on the RH reliever depth chart. If that is vital this team is an odd one. Gregg is also signed for 2011 (team option).

Downs is the tough one - he's had another great year but we do have a stack of kids chomping at the bit for a chance plus Downs was a guy who no one really was after when acquired thus it is possible that lightning can strike again. With Purcey, Carlson, and who knows who else in the minors I'm not too worried.

1B could be OK with Lind, but if defense is important it won't be simple to find a solid replacement for Overbay. Still, 15 errors a year = 15 more hits for a hitter. Mixing Lind, Snider, Lewis, Bautista through the DH slot for rest, thus minimizing time for Wise in the OF should do the trick to cover the difference.

To me there are no major issues going into 2011 unless the Jays feel they must win in 2011. 2011 will be to consolidate the gains and figure out exactly what the long term weaknesses are. Then in the winter of 2011/2012 it will be time to sign a free agent or two. I was more going 'if you feel 1B is an issue here are the options'.
brent - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 01:23 AM EDT (#221141) #
Thank goodness JPA is mercifully returned to AAA to get some playing time and Molina can return to back up duties.
TamRa - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 01:27 AM EDT (#221142) #
The real pain is Downs, Encarnacion, Gregg, Frasor, Buck/Molina etal - guys we have no legitimate replacements for

Relievers we have right now, if everyone is healthy next spring,

Gregg - option...if he's not exercised they may well sign a similar guy and pick up the draft picks;
Downs - will be gone;
Frasor - will be gone:
Camp
Janssen
Purcey
Carlson
Tallet
Hayhurst
Roenicke
Accardo
Lewis

Plus, if the front 4 of the rotation is locked in, then only one of Litsch, Richmond, Hill, Mills, and Zep  (and Ray) will be in the rotation and the rest all become legit relief options

in other words, there are some 15 potential candidates for the pen even if all three free agents leave.

Assuming no signing which might be a dangerous assumption.


TamRa - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 01:39 AM EDT (#221143) #
Ever wonder if the Jays were married to the Verducci Rule?

wonder no more - Chad Jenkins is 39.2 IP beyond his college high.


92-93 - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 01:41 AM EDT (#221145) #
Overbay's best contract offer this winter might very well come from your Toronto Blue Jays - teams aren't likely to be lining up for his services unless he is willing to accept a 50% pay cut. Lyle on a reasonable 1 year contract would help the team in its development and would keep Lind where he likely belongs, DH. His defense helps keep the young pitching staff confident and perhaps even enhances their value on the trade market. As long as the salary isn't too high keeping Lyle around also wouldn't prevent you from jumping at a 1B opportunity that presents itself during the season, be it a prospect or a trade.
TamRa - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 02:39 AM EDT (#221147) #
given his age and the platoon issue, i think if Lyle get's a $3.5 offer - especially for more than one year - he best jump on it.

I have nothing against him, to be clear, but the circumstances (number of free agent options, number of teams in the market, his age, and  etc) are going to be unkind to him.

ogator - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 08:07 AM EDT (#221152) #
  With regard to Lyle's future, I would like to cite an old Bill James observation.  "He doesn't hurt you, but he doesn't hurt the other guys either."
Chris DH - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 08:46 AM EDT (#221153) #
Dejan Kovacevic tweets that the Pirates have wrapped up Mexican RHP Luis Heredia for $2.6 million.
John Northey - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#221154) #
It will be interesting to see this winter what happens. Seeing how little is on the free agent market (for 1B who field well) one does start to wonder if Overbay will return.

Still, the Jays have a lot of options if they aren't going to be strong on defense there. They have Lewis/Snider/Wells/Bautista/Lind for OF/DH/1B. Plus don't forget guys hitting well in AAA/AA such as Lubanski, Mastroianni, and Loewen.

1B should be a minor issue in 2011 unless the Jays plan on being in contention for a playoff spot.

In the end the Jays goal has to be to find guys who are top 10 at their position, ideally top 3, in the majors if their true goal is to make it to 95 wins. Overbay is not and will not be again (if he ever was). Better to mix in kids who might be able to be.

So far in 2010 there are 161 hitters who qualify for the batting title. The top 1/3rd requires an OPS+ of 117 (#53 overall) or higher. 97 or less puts you in the bottom 1/3rd of regulars (makes sense since most non-regulars would be sub-par hitters). We have 7 guys who qualify. In order...

Bautista: #5 in majors (3rd in AL)
Wells: #43
Lewis: #62 - middle 1/3rd
Overbay: #94
Lind: #117 - bottom 1/3rd
Hill: #141
Escobar: #143 (includes horrid time in Atlanta)

The two in the bottom 1/3rd are likely to climb back up (Lind was #14 last year, Hill #61). But Bautista won't be top 5 next year. Wells & Lewis are hard to predict. Overbay? His peak is a 125 OPS+ which would be good for 41st overall this year. At first base you need that to be the baseline, not the peak, if you want 95 wins.

Escobar's time in Toronto would rank #75 (same as Alex Gonzalez overall oddly enough), as would Encarnacion (yes, Escobar & Encarnacion have hit for a 109 OPS+ in Toronto while Gonzalez has a 109 overall) while Snider is also there with his 108 OPS+. All in the top 1/2 but not by much. Acceptable at SS (fantastic in fact), OK at third, but not enough for someone in LF/RF/DH.

So right now I'd say Escobar (if you view his 1/2 half in Atlanta as a oddity), Bautista, Wells, and Hill (if 2010 is the oddity) are guys who are top 10 at their position offensively. Only Wells is weak defensively (if you view Bautista as a RF). Lind has shown he can be top 5 for DH's, so I'm not too worried there...yet. That covers DH/2B/CF/RF/SS. Encarnacion is top 1/2 at third thus a decent placeholder if his defense can keep improving. That leaves LF/1B/CA. Our catching combo has easily been top 10 I suspect with Buck/Molina both having career years. JPA looks to be a good hitter who has had good reviews on defense at times so I wouldn't worry too much about catcher. LF is Snider's area and he should improve from bottom 1/2 for LF to above average or top 10 quickly (with any luck) but more backups are needed (and on the way) - Lewis I see as a placeholder who won't be here for too long.

Hill in July had his best OPS of the season at 685. This month has been a lot better hitting 279/297/525 for an 821 OPS. If he'd take a walk or two he'll be fully back.

Lind's OPS by month has been... 843-532-450-832-1065. May/June were nightmares for him, but otherwise he has been fine. I suspect he'll be looking normal in 2011.

That leaves finding a masher for first base the priority, with an improvement at 3B being ideal as well but not vital just yet. Snider is potentially a concern if he doesn't show growth in 2011.
Anders - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 09:58 AM EDT (#221157) #

One other medium-term option may be Hecchevarria to short, Escobar to second and Hill to third.  Decisions, decisions.

Yunel may be the best defensive shortstop in baseball (may being the operative word here) and while the book on Hechevarria is obviously strong glove, I doubt he is starting in Toronto before 2012. It's a strange idea that we may have too many shortstops.

ayjackson - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#221161) #
A bench of JMac, Mastroianni, Emaus and Molina could be useful.  Can't see a left handed bat though.
Mike Green - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 10:51 AM EDT (#221163) #
If it were my club, I'd have Jeroloman instead of Molina as the 2nd catcher.  It seems though that the organization does not think much of players with the skill sets of Jeroloman and Emaus.  They may be right, or they may be wrong.
Ryan Day - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#221165) #
I don't know if the Jays see much in Mastroianni. He's played 184 games at AA, though he's put up solid numbers and Vegas doesn't have anyone blocking him. There may be some developmental reason for keeping him there, but you'd think he'd have earned a promotion by now.
Jonny German - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#221167) #

Molina out is golden in my book, but I'd be reluctant to go with 2 rookie catchers.

Mastro not getting promoted to AAA is indeed a mystery, particularly given the presence of DeWayne Wise on the major league roster.

ayjackson - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#221168) #

If it were my club, I'd have Jeroloman instead of Molina as the 2nd catcher.  It seems though that the organization does not think much of players with the skill sets of Jeroloman and Emaus.  They may be right, or they may be wrong.

I'm sure the club is reluctant to go with two pure rookies next year behind the dish.  But if it were my team, I'd definitely have both on the roster by the start of 2012.  I'd like to give Jeroloman a full year in AAA.


 

rtcaino - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#221169) #

seems though that the organization does not think much of players with the skill sets of Jeroloman and Emaus.

Well, those skills are more valuable from a Catcher than a 3B, given that the avg 3B is significantly better offensively than the avg C.

Jeroloman by repute is solid defensively. I see no reason why he can't be a valuable second catcher in the Majors.

rtcaino - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 11:39 AM EDT (#221171) #

I'm sure the club is reluctant to go with two pure rookies next year behind the dish.  But if it were my team, I'd definitely have both on the roster by the start of 2012.  I'd like to give Jeroloman a full year in AAA.

I do agree with this.

I wouldn't start the year with JPA and Jerolo. However, if JPA was doing well defensively and with the pitchers, I would surely consider finishing the season with that tandem.

John Northey - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#221179) #
I'd figure they want Mastro to experience playoffs at this point so leaving him in AA makes sense. If they are super-high then can call him up in September to learn about ML life (or just have him come up and spend time in the clubhouse without being on the roster).
Ducey - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#221184) #

Mastro also has had some struggles post all star break.  His average, OBP, SLG and stolen bases are all down.  He might be a little dinged up.

As far as his lack of promotion to AAA, the same could be said of Thames. 

We have heard Alex A prefers slower promotions. 

Ducey - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#221185) #

I have been puzzeled by the lack of interest in Emaus.  However, looking at his home and away stats he is .336/.410/.605 at home and .260/.388/.407 on the road. 

I don't know what some of the other PCL parks are like, but Vegas seems to generate more gaudy offensive numbers than most. 

Emaus seems to make a decent number of errors as well. 

Maybe his D isn't great and the org. is looking at his road numbers to get a sense of what his true ability is.

ayjackson - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#221186) #
Those on-base stats look very fine regardless of park.  This club doesn't require power at third due to the abundance accross the rest of the lineup.  Emaus' on base skills should make him more valuable than he seems to be.
Ryan Day - Thursday, August 19 2010 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#221190) #
John Lott mentioned on Twitter at one point that the infield in Vegas was terrible, and could factor heavily into any fielding numbers.
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