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There was a 96% chance that there wasn't going to be an Advance Scout today, until the Jays pulled it out in the 9th against the hated Red Sox. The last Advance Scout was in September of 2008; the Blue Jays had gone 11-1 in their last 12, they were 6.5 games behind the Red Sox for the Wild Card, and had a 4 game series against those same Sox before finishing the year with 6 against the O's and 3 more each against Boston and the Yankees. If they had gone 3-1 in the series (or even swept) they would have been 4.5 or 2.5 back... so of course they promptly lost 3 of 4 to end their faint hopes. When it looked like the triumphant return of the Advance Scout, 2010 edition, would result in that same fate, it seemed like a sign to hang up the keyboard for this season. But with faint hope kept alive, we continue intrepidly. On to the Advance Scout!

The Jays kick off a 6 game West Coast swing (and 9 game road trip) against the up and down Angels, who are coming off a sweep of the Royals at home.  They won those 3 games by a combine 5 runs, and haven't played a good baseball team in 10 days (they beat up on the Tigers and got swept by the Buck Showalter Orioles in their two series prior.) The Angels are in a similar position as the Blue Jays regarding the playoffs, though in their case they are 7.5 back in the division, whereas the Jays are 9 back in the WC, the Angels 2 worse than that. Both teams are coming off off-days, and are rejigging their rotations a bit. The "good" Weaver, Jared, pitched on Wednesday so the Jays miss him, but Dan Haren will move up a day thanks to rotation injuries and the off-day to pitch the finale.

On Friday Scrabble makes his triumphant return to the bigs, though he has struggled in Las Vegas (really who hasn't.) He gets Scott Kazmir, former divisional foe and a shell of his fomer self at this point - all at age 26. While Kazmir was always a flamethrower and a little wild, now he is just a little wild. His K/9 IP has falled for four consecutive years, from 10.41 to 9.81 to 7.15 to 5.83 this year. Meanwhile his walk rate, previously hovering around 4 per 9 innings, is up to 4.62 this year. His average fastball velocity, almost 94 when he broke in the league, has dropped to 90.6 MPH after hovering around 92 for a number of years. He has also shifted from a slight groundball pitcher to a slight flyball pitcher. All of these are pretty lousy indicators, and the two DL stints with shoulder issues haven't helped; as you may imagine his numbers this year are pretty awful. He has allowed 71 ER in 97.1 innings, including an astonishing 17 home runs. He's getting fewer swings outside the zone, and guys are making much mor contact against him. Kazmir is still a three pitch pitcher - fastball, slider, change - and he seems to be throwing his fastball much more this year at the expense of the slider. The later two pitches were never particularly strong ones - Kaz pretty much lived off his fastball - but now they are decided negatives, and batters have been destroying the slider all year. Per 100 pitches his slider is nearly 3 runs below average, making it one of the 10 worst pitches in baseball this year.  His fastball has also been getting hit hard. Jose Bautista is 2/8 lifetime with 2 doubles, Aaron Hill is 10/33, Lind is 2/12, Overbay is 4/12, and Vernon Wells is 12/36 with an OPS over 1.100.

Saturday sees Brett Cecil square off against Ervin Santana in a late game. Believe it or not, Santana's given name is, apparently, Johan. He actually changed it because of the other Johan, with the reasoning that: "I just came up with Ervin... Ervin Santana, that sounds good." Santana never really became the horse people thought he would be, but he has posted respectable numbers for most of his career and has a pretty strong K/BB ratio. Like Kazmir though he gives up a lot of home runs - 20 in 153 innings -  and he is a decided flyball pitcher. Santana will work with a fastball around 92 and a slider 10 MPH slower, with the occasional change mixed in. His slider is by far his best pitch, and he throws it a ton, almost 2 out of every 5 pitches.  Aaron Hill and Adam Lind both have 4 hits against him in 19 and 12 at bats respectively, with two of Lind's being the 4-base variety. Lyle is 3/19, Vernon 6/22.

The finale is going to be a good one, Ricky Romero vs. Dan Haren. Haren has been one of the better pitchers in baseball for the last five years, but this year he is getting fewer ground balls and allowing more of his fly balls to leave the yard. He has given up 26 home runs so far this year in 168 innings, albeit with many of those coming out in the dessert. He got his first win as an Angel against KC on Tuesday after being acquired for Joe Saunders, minor league pitchers Rafael Rodrigeuz and Patrick Corbin and a PTBNL (Tyler Skaggs.) Haren throws a one of the stranger arsenals at batters, a fastball, cutter, curve and splitter. He dropped his slider in favour of the cutter a few years ago, and he hasn't thrown a change in years. He'll throw pretty much any pitch in any count agaisnt any batter, and the using the fastball and the perfunctory curve to set up the slider, his out pitch. None of the pitches have been particularly valuable this year according to Pitch/Fx, however. Despite this he doesn't walk anyone, and has a K/BB above 5 for the third year running. Yunel Escobar is 2/8, Aaron Hill 5/15, Fred Lewis 9/23, Lyle Overbay 5/13, Vernon Wells 7/21 and EE 4/8 with two dingers.

The Angels aren't an offensive juggernaut, and losing their best hitter for the year didn't help. Howie Kendrick and Mike Napoli have been playing first base in Kendry's absence, and Alberto Callaspo has played and batted third in almost every game since he was acquired from KC. Torii Hunter has been shifted out of CF for rookie speedster Peter Bourjos (who has done nothing since being called up) and even when Bourjos sits Reggie Willits covers centre. Hunter is the right fielder now, and seems to be handling it reasonably well, ""It's cool, because now I'm learning something new. I was always told when you stop learning in baseball, your career is over." Hunter is also coming off a 4 game suspension for arguing with an umpire.

The Infirmary: Joel Pineiro is on the 15-day DL and Kendry Morales is out for the year; a bunch of relievers you've never heard of are also out.

Over/Under on Jays homers this weekend: 7.5

The Credit Section: Most stats and leverage indices are from Fangraphs. Minor-league stats are from Minor League Splits and Baseball Reference. AL average stats are from Baseball Reference. K% and BB% are strikeouts and walks as a percentage of plate appearances - this is different from Fangraphs, which calculates K% as a percentage of at-bats. UZR is UZR for each player's listed position - e.g., Bill Hall's is his left field UZR, not his total UZR for the many positions he plays. The actual chart is constructed by chartmaster extraordinaire Alex Obal.



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John Northey - Friday, August 13 2010 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#220684) #
Thought I'd check into Kazmir a bit more.

The furthest into a game he has made it is 7 IP. He did this twice, consecutive starts in May. 4 times he finished 6 innings - July 5th was the last time. 5 innings? 8 times. 4 more times he didn't make it through 5.

After his July 10th game (13 earned runs allowed in 5 IP, a negative 8 game score) he was sent down (injury I think) and made one start 6 1/3 IP 0 R 0 BB 6 K 3 ER. August 7th was his first start back and he went 5 allowing only an unearned run.

So, has Kazmir figured out what was wrong and is now ready to be a royal pain in the Jays butts tonight? Or will the Jays see the guy who gave up 13 runs in 5 innings?
Alex Obal - Friday, August 13 2010 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#220695) #
The line is 7.5 homers? I'll take the over. Toronto's hitters are, by far, the AL leaders in FB% and HR/FB% this year...
Mike Green - Friday, August 13 2010 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#220704) #
With three lefties starting for the Jays, it should be noted that the Angels as a club have significant platoon splits:

.244/.298/.379 vs. LH starters
.263/.327/.412 vs. RH starters

Mike Green - Friday, August 13 2010 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#220705) #
The Jays, of course, have a more extreme platoon split, struggling mightily against portsiders.
Gerry - Friday, August 13 2010 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#220709) #
Jose Molina?  Why Cito, why?
Mike Green - Friday, August 13 2010 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#220710) #
Cito may believe that Arencibia and Molina are about equal right now accounting for both defence and offence. The plan may be to bring Arencibia along slowly, as Posada was.  It is not necessarily a bad plan.
Smithers - Friday, August 13 2010 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#220711) #
"The last Advance Scout was in September of 2008; the Blue Jays had gone 11-1 in their last 12, they were 6.5 games behind the Red Sox for the Wild Card, and had a 4 game series against those same Sox before finishing the year with 6 against the O's and 3 more each against Boston and the Yankees. If they had gone 3-1 in the series (or even swept) they would have been 4.5 or 2.5 back... so of course they promptly lost 3 of 4 to end their faint hopes."

Funny that you should mention that series Anders, I paying my first visit to Boston that weekend (mentioned it in the earlier Fenway Park related thread).  Decided against going to the first game against Tim Wakefield on Friday because the weather was pretty miserable - a good one to miss as it turned into a Jays loss.  They played a double-header the Saturday and Travis Snider sent notice in the afternoon, leading the Jays to a big win.  The one game I got to watch was the Saturday night game, the Jays hoping to build off the big early win and leave the town having taken three of four.   The ballpark that night was a pretty lonely place for a guy in a Blue Jays shirt, outnumbered probably 50-1.  Quite the contrast to a Red Sox series in Toronto I'm sure.

Jesse Litsch started off wobbly, giving up 2 in the bottom of the 1st.  Jays came right back with 5 in the second and stayed that way until Boston started clawing back in the 6th.  After the raucous rendition of "Sweet Caroline" and the damn "So Good / So Good" chant in the middle of the 8th inning, the crowd sang the song to completion even after the speakers cut out and the inning had begun.  Scott Downs was obviously rattled by it giving up a quick double to Jason Bay and the Jays' WPA chart (and any notions of contention) promptly drove off a cliff.  The one final gasp Downs had to keep it a tie game came with a runner at 3rd with 2 out and a full count to Jacoby Ellsbury.  Everyone was standing and yelling, the most intense atmosphere I've ever experienced at a baseball game.   Ellsbury hit the stupidest little squibber just up the first base line right in front of me, and I could see Downs have problems right off the hop.  He still had a shot at getting the runner at 1st but blew a tire trying to field it and that was that, a 24% wWPA change.  Game, series, season.  Dustin Pedroia of course had to follow up with his 200th hit of the season.  Jays lost 7-5.  Disappointing as hell to come so close, yet so far, to being able to strut out of Fenway in mid-September as a proud Jays fan.

As I see it, that was pretty much the last meaningful game (in regards to the playoffs) the Blue Jays have played.  At least I took a pretty good picture of Downs getting ready to throw the very pitch that did them in.
scottt - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:44 AM EDT (#220713) #
Do games on the bench count toward service time? Just curious.
TamRa - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 02:19 AM EDT (#220714) #
yes, if you are on the active roster - 25 man plus major league DL...plus the extra slots added in September - that's all service time even if you never play.


85bluejay - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#220717) #
That Molina fella is doing an excellent job with the pitching staff
Kasi - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#220718) #
It's clear someone on the Jays thinks that JPA might have something to do with the runs allowed in the starts he's had. Heard Molina is getting the start again today. Snider sitting still continues to be inexplicable though.
Anders - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#220719) #
It's clear someone on the Jays thinks that JPA might have something to do with the runs allowed in the starts he's had. Heard Molina is getting the start again today. Snider sitting still continues to be inexplicable though.

I don't think it's "clear" that "someone" thinks anything about JPA. As for Snider, he started every game of the Red Sox series and sat yesterday against a lefty. I am 100% sure he will play tonight. So I don't know where your ridiculous comments keep coming from.
Jonny German - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#220720) #
"Heard Molina is getting the start again today"

Heard where?
ayjackson - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#220721) #

I don't think it's "clear" that "someone" thinks anything about JPA. As for Snider, he started every game of the Red Sox series and sat yesterday against a lefty. I am 100% sure he will play tonight. So I don't know where your ridiculous comments keep coming from.

I was actually surprised to hear that Snider started every game against the Sox because it does feel like he's getting the raw end of the Snider-Wells-Bautista-Lewis-Encarnacion-Overbay-Lind rotation.  I suppose in games where Wells was available, Snider is getting the raw end of the deal (along with Lewis).  Encarnacion seems to be getting the good end of the deal.

JohnL - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#220722) #
I don't think it's "clear" that "someone" thinks anything about JPA.

"Someone" might  be Cito.  From today's Star:

the club has apparently changed its catching plans with rookie J. P. Arencibia.

Arencibia, who was to play the bulk of the games while No. 1 catcher John Buck rehabs his thumb on the 15-day disabled list, was expected to start Friday’s game...

Instead, Arencibia was on the bench in favour of Jose Molina and now will remain there for most of the games until Buck returns.

Jays manager Cito Gaston made the switch to Molina and said he wants to give the club’s prized catching sensation time to learn his position at the major league level.

“You’re asking a kid to come in and catch a staff at the major league level. . . . He doesn’t know the hitters and you’d like to have them (pitchers and catchers) in sync,” Gaston said. “So I might let Molina catch most of the games (until Buck returns) and not let the kid worry about it all.”

Anders - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#220723) #

I was actually surprised to hear that Snider started every game against the Sox because it does feel like he's getting the raw end of the Snider-Wells-Bautista-Lewis-Encarnacion-Overbay-Lind rotation.  I suppose in games where Wells was available, Snider is getting the raw end of the deal (along with Lewis).  Encarnacion seems to be getting the good end of the deal.

Not to beat a dead horse, but Wells, Bautista, Overbay and Encarnacion are not in this or any other rotation. Overbay has played 970 of 1020 innings at first this year, Wells has sat about 3 times when he's been healthy all year, and the only person Encarnacion rotates with is John McDonald; Jose Bautista doesn't play third base anymore and starts every game in right. I agree Snider should play all the time, and it seems like that will come mostly at the expense of Lewis and maybe Lind.

ayjackson - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#220724) #

I think our point is Snider should be getting more starts and would be if Encarnacion, Wells and Overbay were part of the rotation.

Kasi - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#220725) #
Actually it very much is clear Anders who someone is. If you'd have read the post game notes from last night, you would have seen that Cito came out and said that JPA from this point forward is going to be the backup til he goes back down. And since it is wise to not leave yourself with no catchers on the bench, JPA won't be in at DH either. Hence he's not getting much playing time.

And yes Snider is getting the short end of the rotation stick.

Kasi - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#220726) #
I also do not understand why Wells and Bautista have been ridden as hard as they have. Other managers around the majors regularly spell their stars, but Wells and JBau unless injured are always put out there. For example Maddon in Tampa regularly rests Crawford in order to not wear him out. If we could take one day off from each of Wells and Bautista every 2 weeks we could have 2 more days to give towards Snider and Lewis at the least.
China fan - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#220727) #
That quote from Gaston is a crystal-clear confirmation of what I and a few others were speculating a few days ago:  the Jays feel that JPA is not handling the pitchers as well as Molina can.   Small sample size or not, the runs surrendered by Romero and Marcum against the Red Sox were clearly a concern to the Jays brass.  This is not a knock on JPA at all -- no rookie could ever expect to handle the pitchers as well as a wily veteran like Molina, who has done yeoman duty with difficult pitchers such as Morrow this season.
ayjackson - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#220728) #
I'm not surprised that Cito feels the poor starts from Romero and Marcum were attributable in some measure to JPA being the receiver.  Whether they were or not can not be known.
ayjackson - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#220729) #

But,

  1. I'd prefer they didn't make their conclusions on a sample of 2 or 3 games, and
  2. If you believe it is important for the catcher to "know" the pitcher, then it would make sense for JPA to get his starts with Cecil and Rzep on the mound, which he clearly isn't.
Kasi - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#220731) #
I do hope that JPA is getting a ton of time with Buck and Molina and they're getting him up to speed as much as possible. I think it was ToS that had the post on it (might have been ghostrunner) but he might have some issue with not framing the glove as well as he should.
Mike Green - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:19 PM EDT (#220735) #
Eight games out, and the 1-5 spots in the rotation spoken for.  You could do worse. It's nice to have last year's Zep back.

Gaston is managing as though he intends to win.  My feeling is that Anthopoulos' insistence that he would not trade relievers for very little at the deadline, and the acquisition of Escobar, had a side benefit in this respect.  Every manager wants to feel that he is being given some shot to win. 



Ron - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:29 PM EDT (#220736) #
I hope you guys enjoy the Jays games on Sportsnet One because I won't be able to watch them. My Cable Provider doesn't carry the channel and has no plans to add it right now. I looked at all my SD Sportsnet channels and the Jays aren't on it tonight. If the Jays goal is to drive fans away, they did a great job with this move. First they sit on the MLB Channel license and now there is no option for certain fans to watch some of their games (the mlb.com package blocks all people in Canada from watching the Jays games).
85bluejay - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#220739) #

I also think that there has been some feedback from the pitchers (esp. Romero & Marcum) through the pitching

coach most likely - Again I don't think there's any blame on JPA, but it might be more useful to sit & learn for a

while, if the Jays are clearly out of the wildcard, then I expect that JPA will get his chance in Sept.

Magpie - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#220741) #
they didn't make their conclusions on a sample of 2 or 3 games

If it's about the results, I agree entirely. Two or three games means nothing. But if it's about what they're seeing, that's quite a different matter. Two or three games is plenty.
ayjackson - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#220742) #

But if it's about what they're seeing

It's likely about what they think they're seeing because of the results.

Magpie - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#220743) #
It's likely about what they think they're seeing

These guys are actually pretty good at seeing things when they watch a baseball game that the rest of us don't see.
ayjackson - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#220744) #
I don't doubt that Magpie.  They're also human and might rush to judge.  Fact is, if you want JPA to be the catcher next year, now's the time to teach him how.
Magpie - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#220745) #
that's all service time even if you never play.

Among other things, at the end of this season Dustin McGowan will be one year closer to free agency, and Dirk Hayhurst will be one year closer to being arbitration-eligible. Mark Rzepczynski was on the major league DL, accumulating service time, through May 19; Scott Richmond through June 21.
Magpie - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#220747) #
if you want JPA to be the catcher next year, now's the time to teach him how.

This may be exactly the wrong time - next February and March may be the best time. Dropping a rookie, with no ML experience at all, into the middle of all this, expecting him to pick up a new league, new pitchers (and new umpires), all on the fly. And manage to keep hitting effectively at this new level. It's really an awful lot to ask.
CeeBee - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#220748) #
"I hope you guys enjoy the Jays games on Sportsnet One because I won't be able to watch them. My Cable Provider doesn't carry the channel and has no plans to add it right now. I looked at all my SD Sportsnet channels and the Jays aren't on it tonight. If the Jays goal is to drive fans away, they did a great job with this move. First they sit on the MLB Channel license and now there is no option for certain fans to watch some of their games (the mlb.com package blocks all people in Canada from watching the Jays games)."

Same here and I'm not a happy camper right now either.
ayjackson - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#220750) #

This may be exactly the wrong time - next February and March may be the best time. Dropping a rookie, with no ML experience at all, into the middle of all this, expecting him to pick up a new league, new pitchers (and new umpires), all on the fly. And manage to keep hitting effectively at this new level. It's really an awful lot to ask.

Maggie, dear, you are leading me down an avenue I didn't want to go?  For the record, I'm fine with JPA not being the everyday catcher.  I agree with what you're saying here though I think he could catch 2 times through the rotation 'til Buck gets back and once per five in September.  I think that's the way I'd break him in.

Magpie - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#220751) #
Agreed, and we'll probably see something like that. If he doesn't play tonight, he'll certainly play tomorrow. He'll get another game or two - at least - before Buck comes back. And Gaston won't be here next year, which is a very good thing for Arencibia if he does indeed have some defensive issues to work on.

Gaston has always been very, very fussy about how his catchers play defense. It's one of those odd things, as he's been quite willing to put up with defensive liabilities elsewhere (although not so much in this second tour.) But behind the plate, he will always play the best defender he can find. He tried to turn Sandy Martinez into his regular catcher in 1995-96 because he liked the way the kid caught. Martinez had never played in the majors, couldn't hit a lick, and Randy Knorr had spent two years patiently apprenticing behind Pat Borders. And Knorr could actually hit a little. Borders over Myers, O'Brien over Santiago.
martinthegreat - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#220753) #
I think that it makes sense to value catcher defense more than other defense. It's not only catchers defense, but also the relationship with the pitcher, knowledge of batters, strength of pitch-calling, etc, all of which are hard for us as fans to understand. It's definitely the right decision to stick with Molina. He clearly has a strong knowledge of the game, and is very experienced in calling them. He's also one of the best in the league at stopping would-be basestealers. JPA had a nice first game, but he needs more experience before he can be relied upon full time. It should come with time.
wdc - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#220754) #
I don't mind if Molina plays more at catcher instead of Arencibia for a couple of reasons.  First, in the past several weeks, I have begun to have a glimmer of hope that maybe the Jays can move up.  I know that the odds are strongly against it, but this team is doing very well right now.  Most recently, they took 6 of 9 from the Rays/Yankees/Red Sox.  So if Cito thinks that Molina gives the team more of a chance to win because of his defensive ability and his work with pitchers, then I am all for it.  Second, I do appreciate Molina's defence.  I don't have TV, so I listen to a lot of games on the radio.  And I have come to respect and like Alan Ashby very much. Ashby comments regularly on catchers and their defense.  He likes the way that Molina always gets his body behind the ball, something that Buck is less consistent about.  And he explains why it is important: with a pitcher who throws sliders and other pitches in the dirt, it gives them confidence that they can throw it any time and it will be caught.  If they have doubts about that, they may not throw it at times when they should.  It takes a while for a pitcher to get confidence in a catcher for this kind of thing.  It may be something better developed in February and March as was pointed out above.  If Cito is trying his best to win and to move up in the standings, then I am all for his approach to the catching.
chris_jays - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#220755) #

Jays have signed Romero to a 5 year 30.1M deal as per Ken Rosenthal.

Locks up his 3 arbitration years and his 1st year of free agency.

TamRa - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#220756) #
Upon his recall, these were the published quotes:

Anthopoulos made it clear Thursday that Arencibia “is certainly here to play for the two-week period.”

“He’ll get the majority of playing time, but again, with him being a young player, I don’t know that it will be exactly the equivalent of what John Buck enjoyed,” Anthopoulos said.

and

On Friday, manager Cito Gaston declared that their young prospect will “probably do most of the catching” while Buck recovers.


There are now seven games in the books since the injury, with five more to go.

Molina has started 4 of the seven, and is guaranteed at lest two more starts (as there are 2 DGANG left in the five)

so at a minimum, he's going to end up with 6 of the 12.

That said, 4 of the 12 are DGANG which Cito never uses the previous nights catcher for, and if you concede that there was logic in not using JPA in the first game up (jet lag, acclimation, and so forth) then that means that last night's game was the ONE in which the question can be ask "WHY?"

Still - I think that in regards to that game, it IS a valid question.

TamRa - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#220757) #
Locks up his 3 arbitration years and his 1st year of free agency

That doesn't add up to 5 years.

Is there an option involved?

someone get John Lot on this!
TamRa - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#220758) #
oh wait, I get it - Romero is still a year from arb eligiability.

cool. Seems a solid deal if you are ever going to commit more than 3 years to a pitcher.

Something like 1 - 4 - 6 - 8 - 11 maybe? if he's as good as he seems to be that would be exceptional value.


Thomas - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#220759) #
New thread up to discuss the Romero contract.
DaveB - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#220763) #
There's obviously been a change in the plans for JPA's playing time on this call-up and while it's depressingly consistent with Cito's career long approach to young players, I think you can make the case that it's in the club's best interests to wean JPA into the lineup very slowly.

If the J
ays had a veteran pitching staff it would be a bit easier to use a rookie catcher. If they were definitively out of the race for a WC spot it would be an easy decision. If the team was desperate for a power bat in the lineup then it would make sense to give JPA plenty of swings. But none of these is the case right now, and two of those factors will not change at all for the rest of the season. The rotation is young and still developing and benefit  in many ways from an experienced catcher. As long as the team remains on the fringes of contending for a WC spot, it makes sense to stick with the veterans who put you in that position.

I would love to see JPA play most of the games because it  would give him a head start on next season, but 4-6 weeks of playing time is not going to make a huge difference, if any, for how his ML career unfolds. Nonetheless I'm looking forward to a new manager.


Kasi - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#220770) #
I can understand what they're doing with JPA. The Giants did something similar with Posey, and imagine how those fans felt given how he's done since he got full time playing duties. Catching is the spot where you want the new guy to be broken in slowly. The shame is that since Buck is injured and it is not September yet, there is no way to get JPA in the game but to have him start. Which really limits his playing time. I fully understand why they're doing with JPA what they're doing, especially if they have some more internal information from the pitchers that we don't. I'm still mightily confused about Snider though. He right now imo is their second best hitter (after Bautista) and deserves to play 6 our of 7 days.

Chuck - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#220772) #
I can understand what they're doing with JPA. The Giants did something similar with Posey

No, they didn't. The Giants held Posey back in the minors to delay starting his service clock (playing the super-2 avoidance game). After Posey quickly passed his audition in the majors, the Giants jettisoned Molina and gave Posey the starting job, unconditionally.
Magpie - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#220782) #
Snider's started 8 of the last 11 games in LF; Wells started 10 of them in CF, Bautista started 10 in RF and it's looking more and more like this is the outfield going forward. Not just the rest of this year, but next year as well.

Which means, of course, whither Fred Lewis? I think there's a much better chance that Encarnacion and Overbay will be manning the infield corners in 2011 than there is that Lewis will be playing regularly for this team. But I don't think he particularly sees himself as a fourth outfielder, not quite yet anyway. And he doesn't really have the skill set defensively. He's not much an outfielder to start with, and he certainly doesn't have enough arm to play RF.

What complicates the issue, but only slightly, is that Lewis is the leadoff hitter. The obvious guy to hit leadoff instead of Lewis would be Escobar, but I think everyone likes him right where he is, and Gaston probably doesn't want to redesign his whole lineup.
ayjackson - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#220788) #
Agree with all that M, except that the new manager will have no qualms batting Escobar lead off.
scottt - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#220813) #
And of course, Bautista is at 3rd tonight while Encarnation watches the game.
scottt - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#220820) #
Looks like the Molina magic is gone.

Can we see JP now?
TamRa - Saturday, August 14 2010 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#220828) #

so at a minimum, he's going to end up with 6 of the 12.

That said, 4 of the 12 are DGANG which Cito never uses the previous nights catcher for, and if you concede that there was logic in not using JPA in the first game up (jet lag, acclimation, and so forth) then that means that last night's game was the ONE in which the question can be ask "WHY?"

Still - I think that in regards to that game, it IS a valid question.


AAAANNNNND again - it was Molina tonight. That makes 7 of the 12.


ayjackson - Sunday, August 15 2010 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#220836) #

Thinking more about this, the best strategy might be to have JP catch the last game of each series (often a DGANG) just so he has the opportunity to sit next to Buck for the rest of the games and learn the approach to each hitter on the other team.

scottt - Sunday, August 15 2010 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#220845) #
I don't think the approach to each hitter is something known only to Buck, something that can only be communicated when sitting side by side on the bench during the game.

While we're on the subject, let's revise the approach to pitching to Bobby Wilson.

Chuck - Sunday, August 15 2010 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#220846) #

Time for an APB on Travis Snider.

Kasi - Sunday, August 15 2010 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#220847) #
Pretty much. For a "full time" guy, he sure isn't getting many at bats.
Waveburner - Sunday, August 15 2010 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#220848) #

Wow. First Bautista is asleep on the bases then Overbay swings on 3-0 with the bases loaded. That is just pathetic. Terrible baseball.

Thomas - Sunday, August 15 2010 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#220850) #
First Bautista is asleep on the bases then Overbay swings on 3-0 with the bases loaded. That is just pathetic. Terrible baseball.

That play was out-of-character for Bautista. He's a good baserunner and his mistakes tend to be of the aggressive nature.

scottt - Sunday, August 15 2010 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#220856) #
Romero just demonstrated that JP can catch a well pitched game. That's the main thing. Thank you, Ricky.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 15 2010 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#220857) #
Taking the longer view, two out of three on the road in Los Angeles is good. 
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