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The biggest news from the minors didn’t come on the field yesterday, but came off of it when it was announced that the Jays decided to promote JP Arencibia to fill in for John Buck, who was forced to the 15-day DL after taking a foul ball off his thumb. While Las Vegas, perhaps missing one of their star bats, lost big to Memphis, New Hampshire shut out their opposition, while Dunedin won a slugfest. The Lugnuts were shut out, but Auburn doubled Vermont and the GCL Blue Jays won a tight affair against the GCL Pirates.

Memphis 14 @ Las Vegas 5Boxscore

The Redbirds went ahead 7-1after 2 innings and didn’t look, scoring 7 more runs, including 3 in the 9th, on the way to a 14-5 victory. Lance Broadway was left in to absorb the damage and absorb it he did. Broadway allowed 15 hits and 11 runs over 6.2 innings. Broadway struck out three, but fell to 2-10. Jesse Carlson went 1.1 innings of scoreless relief, but Merkin Valdez gave up 3 runs and 5 hits in his 1 inning.

Mike McCoy and Mike Jacobs each had a pair of hits and added a walk. Jarrett Hoffpauir also reached base three times as he went 1-for-3 with a triple and a pair of walks. Dan Perales and Adam Calderone each hit home runs in the losing effort. With JP Arencibia receiving the news he’s dreamed about his whole life, Raul Chavez started at catcher and went 1-for-4 with a double.

New Hampshire 9 @ Richmond 0 - Boxscore

Shawn Hill continued his successful return from injury with another fine minor league start in his first start at Double-A. Hill pitched 7 strong innings and struck out four. He surrendered two hits and walked a pair, but it was another strong sign in Hill’s comeback effort and the Mississauga native has begun to put himself on the map for September, should the Jays need to shut down some of the club’s current starters to avoid undue strain on their arms. Alan Farina and Trystan Magnuson each pitched a scoreless inning to preserve the shutout.

Several hot Fisher Cats batters continued their recent strong performances. Darin Mastroianni was 1-for-2 with two walks and a pair of runs. Adeiny Hechevarria went 3-for-5 with a double, an RBi and two runs. Eric Thames was 3-for-5 with 2 RBI and 2 runs scored. David Cooper and Shawn Bowman were each held hitless, although Bowman drew a couple of walks and scored a run. Jonathan Diaz was 3-for-4 with three singles, a stolen base and a caught stealing. Matt Liuzza was 2-for-5 with a double and an RBI, Luis Sanchez was 1-for-1 and Adam Loewen only had one hit in four at-bats, but it was a triple that drove home a pair of runners. Although the Fisher Cats scored 9 runs, they left 11 runners on base and it could have been worse for Richmond.

Palm Beach 9 @ Dunedin 11Boxscore

Chuck Huggins had a rare off-start, surrendering 6 hits and 3 walks in 2 innings. He allowed 6 runs, but left with an 8-6 lead. Dumas Garcia had a solid relief effort, with 4 scoreless innings that only included 3 hits allowed. Frank Gailey surrendered 3 runs, 2 earned, over 2.1 innings after spelling Garcia. Matt Daly struck out two batters over 0.2 innings to pick up his 24th save.

Every Dunedin hitter had at least one hit as the team racked up 15 hits and 11 runs. Lead-off hitter Anthony Gose was 3-for-4 with a pair of triples and a walk. Brad McElroy was 2-for-5 with a pair of doubles and a pair of runs and Brian Van Kirk followed him and also went 2-for-5 with a double, a run and 2 RBI. Mike McDade wasa 1-for-4 with a double, a walk and a pair of runs. Mark Sobolewski was 2-for-4 with a double, a run and an RBI and Jon Talley had a pair of doubles and a pair of runs. The power came from the bottom of the lineup, as Yan Gomes hit a 3-run homer and Justin McClanahan added a solo shot during Dunedin’s 7-run 1st inning.

Fort Wayne 5 @ Lansing 0Boxscore

Josh Spence started for the TinCaps and struck out 6 batters over 3 innings. Spence allowed one hit and one walk and then turned the ball over to the bullpen. Three relievers each pitched 2 innings and combined to allow 2 hits to the Lugnuts. Kevin Nolan had the best evening at the plate, picking up two of Lansing’s three base knocks. Kevin Ahrens drew the walk and Jake Marisnick went 1-for-3 with a double.

Ryan Shropshire started and gave up a pair of runs over 6.1 innings. While Shropshire lowered his ERA, this wasn’t his best outing as he allowed 6 hits and 4 walks. Although Shropshire struck out 6, the damage could have been much worse. He retired 10 of the 13 batters on balls in play via fly balls. Aaron Loup came in with an inherited runner and allowed him to score for the second run against Shropshire. Loup only escaped further damage with the help of a Bradley Glenn assist at home plate. After he allowed two runners to reach base in the 8th inning, he was replaced by Steven Turnbull, who escaped the frame unscathed before surrendering 3 runs in the 9th.

Auburn 6 @ Vermont 3Boxscore

Jonathan Jones led off for Auburn and went 1-for-3 with a triple, a run and a walk. Oscar Dominguez followed him with another 1-for-3 line that included a double, a run and a walk. Matt Nuzzo was held hitless, but drew a walk and picked up an RBI. Marcus Knecht continued to swing a hot bat, going 2-for-5 with a solo homer and 3 RBI. Jack Murphy also hit a solo homer and Stephen McQuail went 2-for-3 with a run and a walk.

Jesse Hernandez started for the Doubledays and turned in a fine performance. He went 6 innings and struck out 7 batters. Hernandez only allowed two baserunners, one on a hit and one on a walk. With a 4-1 lead Drew Permision came in from the bullpen to protect the lead and went 2 strong innings. Permision allowed a hit and struck out four. Dayton Marze had a far less successful day, surrendering three hits and a pair of runs in 0.2 innings. Zach Anderson picked up the last out of the game on a strikeout for his second save.

GCL Blue Jays 2 @ GCL Pirates 1Boxscore

The GCL Blue Jays fell behind 1-0 in the first, but Deivy Estrada persevered and ended up pitching 6 innings of one-run ball. Estrada allowed four hits and a walk while striking out 2. The Venezuelan turned the ball over to Matthew Morgal, who struck out 2 batters in his inning of relief. Morgal was sandwiched between a second Venezuelan, as Alesone Escalante threw 2 inning of relief and ended up as the pitcher of record.

After falling behind 1-0, the GCL Blue Jays got one back in the 6th, as consecutive doubles by Christopher Hawkins and Michael Crouse tied the game. This led off the inning and Crouse advanced to third on a passed ball to put the GCL Jays in great position to pull ahead during the inning. However, Crouse committed a cardinal baserunning blunder and was picked off third with none out in the inning. For good measure, the next batter, KC Hobson, singled. The game was still tied in the top of the 9th when Carlos Ramirez walked with one out. Bryson Namba singled Ramirez to second and then Pierce Rankin singled him home to take the lead. Namba and Rankin advanced a base on a passed ball and the bases were then loaded on a hit by pitch. The GCL Pirates put Rinku Singh, one of the pair of native Indians on the roster, into the game and he retired the last batter.

DSL Blue Jays 6 @ DSL Braves 7Boxscore

The DSL Blue Jays lost by one run in a tightly fought affair against the DSL Braves. Cesar Sanchez started and allowed 4 runs in 5 innings, although 2 runs were unearned. Sanchez walked two and struck out 7. The best performances at the plate were turned in by Santiago Nessy, who went 3-for-4 with 2 RBI, Aderlin Gonzalez, who went 2-for-3 with 2 RBI, Alvaro Blanco and John Delgado, each of whom went 2-for-4.

Three Stars:
3rd Star – Anthony Gose, 3-4, R, 2 3B, BB, 7 TB
2nd Star – Jesse Hernandez, 6 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K
1st Star – Shawn Hill, 7 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 4 K

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Mike Green - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 10:32 AM EDT (#219879) #
I checked out Darin Mastroianni's splits on minorleaguesplits.com.  His batting average is no fluke.  It is achieved by virtue of hitting a lot of line drives, getting typical BABIPs on his ground balls and fly balls (if anything, a bit low on the GBs for his speed) and hitting very few popups. 

As a matter of roster construction, I'd love to see the Jay outfield/DH situation shape up something like this- Lewis or Thames platooning with Mastroianni in left and leading off,  Wells in center and Bautista/Snider sharing rightfield/DH with Lind at first.  Mastroianni can spell off Wells in centerfield and pinch-run, as well.  They say that platoons are difficult in the age of the 7 man pen because of a shortage of roster spots, but Mastroianni's ability to play centerfield well would allow it to happen.

Mike Green - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#219887) #
Kevin Gray is impressed with Shawn Hill's stuff.
MatO - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#219889) #
It's a bad time to be a fringe position player and a good time to be a fringe pitcher.  60 jobs go to pitchers that would have gone to position players in the past.  If anything, it seems teams are trying to add even more pitchers.  I think with a new CBA coming that an increase in the 25 man roster is the only way we'll have platooning, pinch-hitting and pinch-running like we used to.  Increase the rosters to 27 and 42 and limit the salaries of the 26th and 27th men because you know the owners will complain about the increased payroll.  Then again, teams will probably add more pitchers instead.
Mike Green - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#219892) #
Ach.  You'll get me onto my hobby horse, MatO.  Let's put a positive spin on it.  A very creative GM with the support of ownership could move to an 11 man staff- 4 day rotation with tandem starters, 3 man pen, and then bring platooning, pinch-running and hitting, while ensuring that the late inning platoon advantage on the pitching side can be gained at the same rate as before.  Here's how you do it:

Day 1- Starter 1, Starter 2 (starters 5 and 6 available for 1-2 batters)
Day 2- Starter 3, Starter 4 (starters 7 and 8 available for 1-2 batters)
Day 3- Starter 5, Starter 6 (starters 1 and 2 available for 1-2 batters)
Day 4- Starter 7, Starter 8 (starters 3 and 4 available for 1-2 batters)

Rinse. Lather. Repeat. Your starters go 3-5 innings.  You really ought to have one righty and one lefty in each pair. 

You have one lefty and one righty in the pen and a long man (ideally a knuckleballer). 

whiterasta80 - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#219899) #

I think you'd need to shuttle people between AAA and the bigs constantly for this to work, which would be disasterous for development.

Otherwise only the Mets or the Red Sox can make that work (Dickey and Wakefield).  Maybe the White Sox or Dodgers (if they roster Santos or Jansan as batters). Otherwise I still see the bullpen getting burned. 

Mike Green - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#219901) #
I don't see it that way.  What you'll get is many more "complete" games.  Both pitchers have it.  One goes 5 (and gets the "win"), and the other goes 4 (and gets the "save").  On the other side, if both pitchers do not have it and go a total of 4 innings, you bring in long man to finish the game.  The most common scenario though will be the tandems giving you 7-8 innings, with plenty of manpower left in the pen. 

As far as I am concerned, the only real issue is effectiveness.  Will pitchers asked to throw 3-5 innings every 4 days be as effective, more effective or less effective than those asked to throw 6-7 innings every 5 days?  I think the answer is "more", but you'll never know until you try.  Some will say that the tandem regime wouldn't leverage great starting pitching as well, but you have to look at the rotation as a whole from #1 to #5, and as far as I am concerned the leveraging would be insignificant (there is inefficient leveraging in the current system due to the incentive to have a #5 starter throw 6-7 innings for bullpen preservation purposes). 

Shoeless Joe - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#219903) #

Jeroloman has now been promoted to AA as per John Lott's twiiter.

His current slash line in New Hampshire (AA): 261/429/412 : 842 OPS

Using the Minor Leauge Equvalancey calculator, his equivalent line in  Las Vegas (AAA): 275/428/426: 854 OPS

www.minorleaguesplits.com/mlecalc.html

This shows how utterly useless Vegas is for position players. Despite facing better pitching the results stay the same due to park factors. Brad Emaus is also another example how it's easier for hitter to hit in Vegas then in New Hampshire. We desparetly need a new AAA home and hopefully an AA penant would be attractive to any AAA team in the international leauge.

 

 

MatO - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#219907) #
Now pitching for the GCL Pirates vs. GCL Blue Jays is Dinesh Patel from Lucknow, India.  I assume one of those Indian cricketers signed a few years back?
Nigel - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#219908) #

This shows how utterly useless Vegas is for position players. Despite facing better pitching the results stay the same due to park factors. Brad Emaus is also another example how it's easier for hitter to hit in Vegas then in New Hampshire. We desparetly need a new AAA home and hopefully an AA penant would be attractive to any AAA team in the international leauge.

I'm not sure what you mean by useless - you may mean what I am about to say - but my primary concern with LV (on the hitting side of things) is that there may, in a weird way, be a tendancy to undervalue OBP at LV.   I worry that the Jays will be unable to segregate what is real OBP skill from a pitcher's fear of throwing strikes in places like LV and disregard it all.  Prospects like Emaus and Jeroloman may be harmed more than others as a consequence.

Gerry - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 02:06 PM EDT (#219909) #

The losing pitcher against Auburn yesterday was Chad Jenkins. 

There are two Chad Jenkins in the minor leagues, both drafted in 2009.  The Blue Jays Chad was a 1st round pick, is in high A, and is three months older than his namesake.  The Vermont Chad was a 17th round draft pick and obviously is in low A.

DaveB - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#219913) #
I tend to disagree with the idea that  Las Vegas is "useless" as a AAA affiliate. It might very well be not the first choice for many teams, especially in the east,  but I think we fans tend to look at numbers and shake our heads because of the variants for ballpark and league. You have to look past the numbers and think of development. Is the International League better than the PCL from a talent perspective? That's something that's determined only by the talent of the organizations in each league and is subject to annual change. Actually I think that you can make the argument that a more offensive league, and harder infield playing surfaces, are beneficial for the development of pitchers and infielders. Just because it's difficult for us fans to look at numbers and estimate a player's progress, or project his ML potential, doesn't mean that players aren't developing just as much as they would in the IL, and that ML team management isn't learning about their prospects.The only advantages I see to having a team in the International League is that travel is less of a burden and it's a slight benefit to have players closer to the organization's home base.
FisherCat - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#219914) #

My what a difference a week makes...

I was at yesterday's mid-week matinee between the AA F-Cats & F-Squirrels.  In my last post I mentioned how awful the performance by NH was in that game.  Well this game was completely opposite.  Plenty of offense, clutch hits, heads-up baserunning, strong fundamental defense...oh and a pitching performance that Doc Halladay would be proud of.

Hill was definitely pitching to contact and showed poise that only a guy that's been to the bigs would show.  He was very efficient thru the first 4 innings pitching strikes and inducing rather weak contact.  Starting in the 5th he began to miss the strike zone a little more and the batters were squaring up the ball more frequently, but right at the fielders thankfully.

Watching Hill's performance brought a thought to mind.  The reason why many young/raw pitchers have a hard time grasping the "pitch to contact" concept, is that once they tire and batters make better contact, they panic and start to try and "miss" the bats.  This creates a snowball effect of more walks or hitters counts, etc.  Hill didn't seem to show this, as he'd fire strike after strike in the 88-92mph range and let his fielders help him, even though the batters were starting to make better & more consistant contact.

ramone - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#219915) #

Some prospect love for the Jays from BA and BP today:

BP

Anthony Gose, OF, Blue Jays (High-A Dunedin): 3-for-4, 2 3B, R, BB, CS.  Showing off the big time speed with two triples; still can't steal bases as he gets caught for the 28th time.

Adieny Hechavarria, SS, Blue Jays (Double-A New Hampshire): 3-for-5, 2B, 2 R, RBI.  Questions about bat getting answered in a big way; hitting .340 in last 25 games and .306/.340/.410 overall to go with crazy-great defense.

BA

Anthony Gose, cf, Blue Jays (high Class A Dunedin): The Blue Jays have to be pleased with their new acquisition. Gose, who turns 20 on Tuesday, went 3-for-4 with a pair of triples and a walk yesterday, bringing him to .360/.385/.680 in six games since getting traded from the Phillies to the Astros and then to the Blue Jays in exchange for Brett Wallace. He still has a ways to go at the plate with his approach (and he was caught stealing yesterday for the 28th time in 65 tries), but the tools are undeniable.

Adeiny Hechavarria, ss, Blue Jays (Double-A New Hampshire): Hechavarria's career couldn't have gotten off to a much worse start with high Class A Dunedin, where he hit .193/.217/.292 in 41 games. It was sort of a head-scratcher when the Blue Jays promoted the 21-year-old Cuban to Double-A after that, but he's managed to do more than just tread water in the Eastern League. After going 3-for-5 with a double yesterday, Hechavarria is up to .306/.340/.410 with the Fisher Cats in 147 plate appearances while playing his standard plus defense.

Got to love the `crazy-great defense` review for hech, hopefully someone in Dunedin can help Gose out with stealing.

PeterG - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#219930) #
Why not hire Ricky Henderson or Tim Raines for one month to work with Gose on base stealing?
Mike Green - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#219934) #
Tim Raines was the first name that came to mind when I heard about Gose.  Raines is managing the Newark Bears and his contract apparently expires at the end of this season.  He also apparently married a woman from Ontario 3 years ago.  I'd love to see him in the Toronto organization, and I can think of quite a few good reasons for the organization to be interested.
TamRa - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#219936) #
Agreed re Raines. Preferably as a roving instructor.

on this...

We desparetly need a new AAA home and hopefully an AA penant would be attractive to any AAA team in the international leauge.

I really do wish that rogers would step up and BUY a AAA team the way the Braves own theirs so we control that destiny. An IL team that is.


Mike Green - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#219940) #
Given that he is managing, Raines might be more interested in a managing gig perhaps at the minor league level.  There may be an opening at the end of 2010 in the Jay organization if one of the upper level managers gets a promotion.  This is all pretty speculative, of course.
lexomatic - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#219941) #
I would love Raines to work with Gose on base stealing, and while he's at it - plate discipline. I'd give Gose the crazy hand-eye coordination stuff work too. what happened to the super pitching machine that was supposed to simulate arm-angles (Randy Johnson's SLIDER!!!) and stuff and cost 250000$? the one that brieflyt resurrected Marty Cordova after he left the Jays. I'd buy one and give the top prospects a week at a time to just work on facing tougher pitches. I would be happy with anyone to have dedicated training though on base-stealing/patience/defense (positioning/reading plays etc). I think this is the next step in player development, but the player has to be coachable, as they say and be motivated.

I would be very happy if Gose turned into Devon White pt 2 though.

John Northey - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#219943) #
An advantage to having the AAA team in Vegas is it does force the pitchers to learn how to throw down in the strike zone as fly balls = home runs in Vegas. Depending on how it is used and adjusted for an extreme pitchers or hitters park can be useful. Syracuse was extremely good for pitchers, but it made it so when a hitter was promoted you could expect him to hit about the same in the majors. Vegas is the reverse, a pitcher in Vegas should do as well or better in the majors.

A neutral park/league would be ideal, but just because a park is extreme shouldn't make it unusable.
Olerud363 - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#219948) #

Actualy I have heard that fly balls are not the problem in Vegas.  It is more that ground balls fly through the baked infield, averages go way up.

Most of the translations show hitters keeping their power but losing 50 points of average.   For example baseball prospectus has Arencibia at about .255 with 27 homers. 

The quick and dirty translation is take away 1 homer for every 10, and subtract 50 points of batting average.

By the way Brett Wallace might of hit about .260 with a .310 obp in syracuse... so maybe AA took advantage of the Vegas boost to Wallace's numbers.

TamRa - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 06:50 PM EDT (#219952) #

Given that he is managing, Raines might be more interested in a managing gig perhaps at the minor league level.  There may be an opening at the end of 2010 in the Jay organization if one of the upper level managers gets a promotion.  This is all pretty speculative, of course.

Well, given how much theJays made of Rivera being a mentor to Adeiny, maybe bump him to Vegas next year and offer Raines the AA job (albeit, it might be pushing to send Gose to AA out of ST)

Mike Green - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#219956) #
...or the organization could do step-up promotions (if they hired someone like Raines so that he could start in Dunedin with Gose).  But this is all pretty wild speculation, so back to reality.
greenfrog - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#219958) #
Word is the Jays have signed their 7th round pick, Mitch Taylor, per Keith Law on Twitter: "HS lhp from Houston area, up to 93 with promising curveball"
John Northey - Thursday, August 05 2010 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#219961) #
Sample size be ignored - Gose is hitting 360/385/680 in Dunedin so far (OK, 6 games and 26 PA but still...). If he can stay anywhere close to that I'd say AA makes a heck of a lot of sense for 2011. Even pre-trade he was around league average for offense and a CF who does that at 19 is a guy who should be given a shot at the next level up.
PeteMoss - Friday, August 06 2010 @ 12:51 AM EDT (#219965) #
Here's a site with the Las Vegas park factors (can't really vouch for its accuracy) - http://www.statcorner.com/team.php?team=LVG&year=2010&leag=PCL

Looks like it aids right handed hitters in terms of power and left handed hitters everywhere else. Then again Rogers Centre has been a homer haven this year as well.
PeteMoss - Friday, August 06 2010 @ 01:02 AM EDT (#219966) #
Noticed that Nicholas Purdy - local kid from Grafton, Ontario - has really been pitching well of late with GCL Jays. Last three games... 15.2 IP, 2 ER, 18/4 K/BB, 13 hits. He's big.. 6'5, free agent signing, 20 years old so about right for the league. Obviously its impossible to project a low A guy.. but fairly good stats for a free agent signee.
TamRa - Friday, August 06 2010 @ 01:55 AM EDT (#219967) #
Word is the Jays have signed their 7th round pick, Mitch Taylor, per Keith Law on Twitter: "HS lhp from Houston area, up to 93 with promising curveball"

Here's Jim Callis' revealing tweet:

Jays 7th-rder Mitchell Taylor takes 2010 #mlbdraft lead with a bonus that's $217,500 above MLB's slot recommendation

TamRa - Friday, August 06 2010 @ 02:24 AM EDT (#219968) #
anyone heard anything about Jenkins and the Verducci Rule? He's 28.1 IP past his K-State high.

and as far as i know, his turn comes up in tomorrow's double header.

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