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The Jays bullpen did not have a fantastic Sunday, and defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory in the second half of a twin bill. It would have given the Jays a 3-game winning streak and put them at 7-3 to finish their road jaunt. With the Orioles coming to town the Jays could have run their streak to six games before getting the Indians, who have been playing better as of late (and have given the Jays trouble to boot all season) but still aren't very good. So maybe the Jays would have been 12-4 coming out of the All-Star break before a difficult stretch that includes 12 straight against the Beasts of the East, an Oakland/Anaheim west coast swing, and then the Sox and Yanks again. And if they could hold their own there, then have a good September, then maybe they had an outside shot at the playoffs...

Ok, so none of that seems particularly likely, and let's face it, the Jays are going to miss the playoffs for the umpteenth straight time. Despite all this though it still seems, well, like an exciting time to be a Jays fan. There's a lot happening right now.



First and foremost in my mind at least is that, for the first time in a while, the Jays have players of some genuine talent manning practically every position on the diamond. Some of them have scuffled to start the season (Overbay), or of late (Wells), or really the whole time (Lind, Hill), and some of them are not necessarily long term solutions (Buck, Lewis), but none of them out and out suck. Several current starters look to be mainstays with the team for at least a couple of years more - Snider, Lind, Hill, and Escobar immediately come to mind; you can add Bautista, Wells, and Encarnacion to that list, though all have caveats. The Jays two best hitting prospects (arguably), Brett Wallace and JP Arencibia - also seem ready, and fill positional needs going forward. For comparisons sake, on July 25th, 2008 Joe Inglett hit leadoff, Rod Barajas hit 5th, and Brad Wilkerson and a 40 year old Matt Stairs helped to round out the lineup. Johnny Mac and his .524 OPS also came to the plate over 200 times that year, and Shannon Stewart and Kevin Mench had a significant number of at bats. So yeah, I think there is as much hitting talent from 1 to 9 in the lineup as the Jays have had for a while.

This is without even mentioning the pitching, which has been a strength of the Jays for a while. The team has the 3rd best overall FIP in the AL, and are tied for 4th in starters FIP. After jettisoning Dana Eveland and Brian Tallet from the rotation, the team has received consistently strong performances from Shaun Marcum (age 28, 3.57 FIP), Ricky Romero (25, 3.41), Brandon Morrow (25, 3.30), and Brett Cecil (23, 3.81). The fifth starter role hasn't been definitively claimed, but there are numerous candidates going forward, including Jesse Litsch (25), Marc Rzepczynski (24), Brad Mills (25) and top prospect Kyle Drabek (22). If anything the problem may be of having too many starters, and at some point the Jays are probably going to have to make a trade to clear some room. The bullpen is more in flux, as Casey Janssen, David Purcey and Shawn Camp seem the only likely returnees next year, as Kevin Gregg, Scott Downs and Jason Frasor are all trade bait. Still, the Jays have had a lot of success filling out the pen in recent years, and their are numerous candidates in the high minors (Carlson, Accardo, Stewart, Roenicke, etc.) An interesting subject for a later post would be to try to figure out who the team should use going forward.

The last point to make about the team's current roster is how strong the financial picture looks to be going forward. Vernon Wells has 4 years and $85 million to go on his anchor, er, contract, but the only other Jays with a 2011 contract at the moment are Aaron Hill ($5 million, options for 2012-2014), Adam Lind ($5 million, $12 million total 2012-13, club options 2014-15) and John McDonald ($1.5 million), while Kevin Gregg and Jose Molina have team options. Everyone else is in arbitration or pre-arbitration, while a couple of players, including Overbay, Downs and Buck, are free agents. Nobody other than Jose Bautista and Shaun Marcum (and maybe Encarnacion) figure to make much money in arbitration either. Several important players - Cecil, Romero, Snider - are in their second year of eligibility and seem like candidates for longer term deals. Brandon Morrow has not yet hit arbitration as far as I can tell (his service time is weird because he kept getting yanked up and down by the Mariners.)

The guys that aren't gong to be back with the team are all strong trade candidates, and I think that there are only positives in AA's resume to this point. Whatever one's take on the Gonzalez-Escobar trade, I think it's fair to say that the Jays got back the best player, at the cost of three nice but non-essential pieces. Much of the scuttlebutt, with the trade deadline fast approaching on Saturday, is that Anthopoulos is trying to improve the team's overall level of talent, and looking into multiple team deals to do so. He also, according to Rosenthal, seems to be asking a lot for the Jays talent. This strikes me as eminently reasonable in the case of players such as Scott Downs, who is lefthanded and perhaps the best non-closing reliever available, and likely a Type A free agent to boot. Kevin Gregg, whose numbers don't look all the bad superficially, has also drawn interest, and he has two reasonable years of team options. Lyle Overbay seems less likely to draw interest as a moderate hitting first baseman, while there is little chatter about John Buck. In this corner it seems like the Jays should be looking for young hitting talent, perhaps buying low on players like an Alex Gordon who have fallen out of favour with their respective organizations. The biggest positional needs for the team long term would seem to be outfield and 3rd base, or perhaps second base if the team moves Hill to third. While one can never have too much pitching, the Blue Jays have too much pitching, as they have more guys that they can fit in their rotation, and have gone something like at least 60/40 towards pitching in the draft over the last several years.

 The last thing that I find very exciting about the 2010 Blue Jays is Yunel Escobar, who has had a good first week and a half with the Jays. My (admittedly unscientific) impressions from this time have been good. Defensively he seems to have decent range and a howitzer for an arm. He also has a bit of flair. He barehanded a ball deep in the hole and almost threw out a runner at first against the Royals on a tough play I've never seen another shortstop attempt; he's made a couple of fancy flips to Aaron Hill to turn two as well. At the plate he seems like your typical Jay hitter so far - aggressive early in the count, willing to be patient and protect later on. He walks a fair amount, something we haven't seen much of yet. He is one of the best bunters I've ever seen, and has bunted successfully for hits with runners on at least three times, each time laying the ball down so perfectly as to be undefensible (if that's a word.) He doesn't seem particularly fast or slow either way, and he definitely has some power, as he has homered twice so far in 37 PA (Alex Gonzalez Braves Home Runs: 0.) I don't necessarily believe in distinctions like this, but he really seems like the perfect number two hitter - great bat control, walks, a bit of pop.

There is plenty to be excited about for the rest of this year also. We figure to see at least one interesting debut (I would bet on Arencibia, maybe Wallace, probably not Drabek, who is apparently going to get shut down rather than come up for some bullpen appearences in September). None of them are on the 40-man, which is almost all pitchers (seriously), many of whom wouldn't be claimed by other teams right now (Reidier Gonzalez, Luis Perez, Scott Richmond, Robert Ray, etc.) A couple of other interesting organizational guys might make their debuts when the rosters expand - Emaus, Dopirak, Lubanski come to mind, though the Jays have traditionally not used a lot of September guys, other than relievers. Travis Snider should be back on Friday, and has been hitting well in his rehab/who knows why minors stint. I would put the over under of trades the Jays pull off at 1.5, and would guess they make 2 (Downs, Buck or Gregg). In the end, this team isn't going to make the playoffs this year, or perhaps even the next. Still, the combination of young, good pitching, and enough interesting position players moving forward (Lewis, Escobar, Bautista, Wells, Snider, Lind, Hill, Wallace, and Arencibia could be the starting lineup next year, with Encarnacion somewhere) has me excited about this team than I have been in a long while.

In more mundane news, its Brad Bergesen v. Brandon Morrow from the Rogers Centre tonight, first pitch 7.07. It's eighties night, whatever that means, Bergesen might be the worst starting pitcher in the majors (apologies Ryan Rowland-Smith), the Jays are -220, some of the shortest odds on them all year, and they are 9-0 against the Orioles on the year. So yeah, that pretty much means the team is going to blow the game in a most heartbreaking fashion... or win 10-3. You heard it here first.

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Mike Green - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#219168) #
Tyler Pastornicky is hitting .300/.400/.400 so far in double A.  This lucky slash line portends a long career with many high moments. :)
Denoit - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#219171) #

Tyler Pastornicky is hitting .300/.400/.400 so far in double A.

Damn... wish they would have traded Hechavarria instead :)

85bluejay - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#219173) #

All that Genuflecting and Manlove after 30 AA at bats - it's sounds a bit hasty to me - kinda like trying to

justify opposition to the trade.

John Northey - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#219175) #
Morrow will have 3 years 91 days of service at the end of the season, thus will be in his first arbitration year. He has made, including signing bonus, about $4 million so far in his baseball career but should jump that significantly this offseason. Info via Cot's Contracts which is one of my favorite sites.

Looking on that site you can see Rzep had 90 days of service last year thus expect the Jays to keep him down as much as possible the rest of the way thus keeping him away from free agency for an extra year. Mills will increase his time by a bit from the 10 days he has right now.
ogator - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#219176) #

  While there are many positives about this team, its farm system and the possible future, the Jays are one game over five hundred and 9 and 0 against a truly odious Baltimore squad so their record is a bit misleading.  They are in ninth or tenth of fourteen American League teams.  Many players have performed better than expected but several others have been very disappointing and unfortunately the wrong players fall into the wrong categories.  It would have been great to see Lind, Hill and Wallace having great years instead of positive surprises from Buck, Gonzalez and Bautista.  I'd love to get behind these guys but when I watch them and see the OBP posted, I wonder if they are moving forward or just treading water.

 

Anders - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#219177) #

  While there are many positives about this team, its farm system and the possible future, the Jays are one game over five hundred and 9 and 0 against a truly odious Baltimore squad so their record is a bit misleading. 

I would argue it's misleading in a different way; by BPro's 3rd order wins the Jays should be 54-45, roughly 5th best in the AL and within a few games of the frontrunners.

Mike Green - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#219179) #
Actually, Baltimore's club isn't anywhere near as poor as it appears to be.  It's a tough division, and they have been massacred when playing in the division. 
John Northey - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#219180) #
Just was thinking and checked and saw that Yunel Escobar has had at least one hit in every single game he's played with the Jays so far. 8 games so far. 382-417-588 for an OPS+ of 172. Y'know that ain't gonna last, but what a start. Gonzalez hasn't exactly stunk though, hitting 325-400-475 for an OPS+ of 136. A trade that helped both teams. Gotta love it.

Meanwhile EE in July is up to 319/338/464 which is nothing to sneeze at. His OPS+ is now the best of his career at 110.
John Northey - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#219181) #
Geez, the Jays never seem to outplay what that 3rd order wins says they should be doing. But at -4.3 they aren't in as rough shape as the Orioles (-7.6), Mariners (-5) or Diamondbacks (-6.5). The Angels, as always, are above zero (+4.6). One wonders if there is something there - if the Angels do something and the Jays don't that leads to this each and every season.
Magpie - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#219182) #
the Jays are one game over five hundred and 9 and 0 against a truly odious Baltimore squad so their record is a bit misleading.

It's the same for everyone, no? It's not like the other teams in the division don't get to play the Orioles. The Yankees are 8-1 and the Rays are 7-2, against them (they've messed up the Red Sox, splitting 12 games.)

Wouldn't everyone who said "90 losses" have danced in the street at "one game over .500?"
mathesond - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 02:33 PM EDT (#219186) #
Wouldn't everyone who said "90 losses" have danced in the street at "one game over .500?"

And admit they were wrong?
whiterasta80 - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 02:34 PM EDT (#219187) #

Wasn't sure where to put this.

According to MLBTR, the Yankees have offered Jesus Montero in a deal for Joakim Soria (presumably the heir to Rivera) but the Royals have balked so far.  Billy Butler and Kila Ka'aihue will do that to you of course, but we should be getting in on that deal and finding a way to appease KC.

Mick Doherty - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#219188) #

Johnny Mac had a .524 OBP over 200 PA? Really? Do we mean OPS, or did I miss this Rickey-ish streak?

Speaking of the "odious Orioles" -- the Rangers have a seven-game lead in the AL West and fell in a four game sweep AT HOME to that squad just before thebreak. There's something there ...

John Northey - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 03:05 PM EDT (#219191) #
If the Royals wouldn't trade a reliever (even a closer) for a stud 20 year old killing AAA pitching while catching then they are nuts...oh wait, this is the Royals we are talking about.

If they are willing to do a 3 way trade, then send them our whole (#&*! pen in exchange for Montero who they'd get for Soria. Sounds good to me. Toss in a couple of our top minor league relievers too for good measure. This kid the Yanks have looks like he could be better at hitting than Snider while being able to catch. I'd probably shift him to 1B or LF though, especially with JPA and a host of prospects for catching around, but if KC is letting a reliever stop them then give them relievers up the yin-yang.
whiterasta80 - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#219193) #

My sentiments exactly JN.    There's probably not a package we can put together that I'd hesitate to trade for Montero.  This guy is the closest thing to Delgado I've seen in years (right down to the catching through AAA).   You want to focus on superstar talent?  There it is... right there.  They could ask for Drabek, Cecil, Pierre, and Jenkins; I'm still signing off.

 

85bluejay - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#219195) #

Montero value has decreased some because it's almost universally agreed he's not going to stick at catching

most likely 1b/dh - i wonder if he yankees would do a Scott Downs & Adam Lind trade for a package around

Montero - Lind would be a good LH bat in that park. 

92-93 - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#219196) #
If the Royals actually turned down a package including Jesus Montero for Joakim Soria they are even more delirious than anyone could have imagined. A dominant closer is a luxury a perennial loser can't afford if the cost is missing out on perhaps the top offensive prospect bat in all of baseball. From the Yankees perspective offering up Montero makes a world of sense - Soria is a dominant reliever signed through 2014 at more than affordable prices, and Mariano can't pitch forever. Throw in the facts that Austin Romine is a 21 year old C holding his own in AA and Montero doesn't project long-term as a C and you have a deal that works. The Yankees probably also see that Cervelli is a serviceable guy in a timeshare with Posada until Jorge retires, and it would be prudent for them to leave the DH spot open for ARod, Jeter, and Posada as they age. Games would essentially become 7 innings for them if they can go to Soria-Rivera, and the 8th inning has been a real problem spot for the Yankees this year as Joba has failed to live up to the dominant reliever hype thus far.

There's a severe under-appreciation for what Brett Cecil has done as a sophomore in the AL East this year if people think the Jays would need to add Kyle Drabek, Gustavo Pierre, and Chad Jenkins to the package to acquire Montero.
CeeBee - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#219197) #
"Tyler Pastornicky is hitting .300/.400/.400 so far in double A. This lucky slash line portends a long career with many high moments. :)"
Unfortunately A-Hech's AA line of .295/.327/.400 while fairly good is not near so magical.
92-93 - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#219199) #
Yunel Escobar is hitting .382/.417/.588 over his 37 BlueJays PAs and has provided quite a bit of entertainment.
John Northey - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#219205) #
Joakim Soria is darn good - 4 seasons, 229 IP 10.1 K/9, 2.6 BB/9, 116 saves, 209 ERA+.

Rivera's lifetime stats...
1126 IP, 206 ERA+, 8.3 K/9, 2.1 BB/9, 546 saves. 227 ERA+ if you remove his season as a starter. All but his starter season was from age 26 on.

Soria is off to a killer start, Rivera like even. However, to trade a killer bat for him would be nuts. If it really exists then lets find a way to do it and give KC whatever shiny object catches their eye today.
Mike Green - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#219207) #
Killjoy.  Where is the good luck in those numbers?   "Bounce Relays" is an anagram of "Yunel Escobar", and now that I come to think of it, the Jays'  team defence didn't look too good on Raburn's double. "Barely On Cues" isn't much better. I do like "One Base, Curly" and "Buy Elan, Score" however.
John Northey - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#219208) #
Wow has Baltimore had trouble in the AL East. 10-32. All other teams except Boston are above 500 and Boston is just one game under. Lets see what happens if we remove AL East vs East records. In brackets is how many back of NYY each really is.

NYY: 40-23: still leading
Boston: 35-23: 2 1/2 games back (8)
Tampa: 34-25: 4 games back (3)
Jays: 33-33: 8 1/2 games back (13)
Baltimore: 21-35: 15 1/2 games back (31 1/2)

So Boston has lost 5 1/2 games, the Jays 4 1/2, and Baltimore has lost 16 games while Tampa gains one.

Wow. Baltimore should be begging Bud to move.
Mylegacy - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#219212) #
Keeping with the "notes from everywhere" theme of the thread...

BA has an excellent article - quite long by their standards - on Asher Wojciechowski and his early success in Auburn. Bottom line - when drafted they thought that if he got an OK change-up he'd be a number 3 starter. As his change-up has started to develop nicely they think he might just end up being a number 2 starter - if his change-up gets really good - who knows his peak. Yummy, yummy.

A note from me on Escobar after just a week or so of watching him like a hawk. He is gifted, no question. For better and worse.

The Better part: his push-bunt single when Lewis started to steal 2nd was PURE instinct and reaction to an instant on field development. Very few players in the game have the natural game smarts and reflexes to try - let alone pull off - a play like that. Overall on defense he is a powerful flash of outstanding natural instinct. His throws are accurate and strong - though not "exceptional." He rarely swings and misses and has an above average "eye" at the plate.

The Worse part: For a guy with a massively powerful body for his size, his stance and batting approach are mostly small ball(ish) - clearly the guy can mash - but he'll need to rethink his batting approach. Running to first - when he "knows" he's going to get thrown out - he slows to 1st gear. By doing this he will almost never be putting pressure on the defense that might just cause a hurried throw. If he "knows" it's going to be close he hustles - but the one time or two in a thousand that a defensive player flubs a play or a 1st baseman drops a ball that they then recover from and get him out - the fans will go nuts that he didn't run hard.

Personally, I don't think I see him "maturing." He is what he is - a gifted - though flawed - super talent. He will dazzle and disappoint - mostly dazzle. Don't get too down on him when his "flaws" cause problems - just revel in his positives and he'll get along with us and we can get along with him just fine thank you.

greenfrog - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#219213) #
A-Hech 3-5 tonight with a HR, RBI and 2 runs scored. His average is up to .310. This is very good news, methinks. On the downside, he made his sixth error.

Also, Thames continues to have a very solid 2010 campaign. He was 2-4 with a triple (his fifth), 3 RBI, and 2 runs scored.
Mike Green - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#219214) #
 "Efficient" seems likely an unlikely description of a David Purcey outing, but he may very well have found a niche.  He does look like a closer, if you believe in such things.
greenfrog - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#219215) #
Short relief is probably the best role for Purcey because it doesn't give him a lot of time to think on the mound (or in the dugout), and he can focus on his two best pitches. Plus, if he gets wild, you just bring in someone else. Who knows, if he takes to the role, the Jays could have another useful reliever.
PeterG - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#219216) #
I think Purcey has already taken to the role. As for A-Hech errors, I wonder if he'd be steadier at 2b as that may be where he ends up playing.
1990Jays - Monday, July 26 2010 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#219218) #
errors are meaningless, tons of rangy shortstop are error prone. They get to balls that guys like Jeter could never dream of getting near and get punished with errors if they don`t execture it flawlessly. Hech will be fine at shortstop, there`s no doubt in my mind.
TamRa - Tuesday, July 27 2010 @ 12:31 AM EDT (#219221) #
A-Hech 3-5 tonight with a HR, RBI and 2 runs scored. His average is up to .310. This is very good news, methinks. On the downside, he made his sixth error.

Everything I've ever heard says that minor-league error totals are maybe the most irrelevant stat known to man.

brent - Tuesday, July 27 2010 @ 05:40 AM EDT (#219226) #

I think everyone here has been more optimistic than other teams' GMs about getting deals done. After the Haren deal, teams aren't going to be offering up much to hope some team will take it. This seems like a good year to just wait it out until the weekend and then see if teams will get serious about upgrading.

Predictions:

SF is definitely going to make upgrades. I would say Texas too, but they need payroll clearance. Bos and NYY are always looking to improve.

I think most of the other teams are just going to stick with what they have. If the Jays could only trade one player by Sunday, I wouldn't be surprised. Buyers and sellers seem to be in a real standoff this year.

Mick Doherty - Tuesday, July 27 2010 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#219286) #

I would say Texas too, but they need payroll clearance.

That's true, but local reports this morning say the Rangers have called the Astros about Oswalt, even AFTER the Lee trade. When they originally talked about that last month, Smoak was a key part of the discussion, so I doubt anything happens, but apparently payroll increases are still possible, at least.

I think they stand pat and win the division by two or three games (they're up 7.5 right now). If they do acquire someone, it'll be more likely a corner infielder -- Chris Davis is not hitting like he supposedly can. We'll see. Jorge Cantu and Adam Dunn (who is a native Texan) are the names being bandied about right now.

 

katman - Tuesday, July 27 2010 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#219297) #
So, I'm sure there's a lot of scouting going on by AA's staff right now. I hope that among this scouting is an unusual special project... focused on Jose Bautista. A project that involves speaking to people Bautista has played with and for over his career, people who scouted him, etc., trying to build up a coherent picture that could help them figure out if 2010 is a wild anomaly, or an indicator of things to come.

This is a guy with OBP over .350, 30 home runs, league leader in defensive assists from RF, who can play 3B, and is increasingly seen as a clubhouse leader/ character guy on the team.

If that isn't a mirage (OBP pretty surely isn't based on history, nor defense, big question is the SLG), then is is a player you'd be crazy to give up for anything less than a major, major package.

If the SLG is a blip, or a 50-50 proposition, then he's a guy whose current value makes him a very attractive trade piece.

The problem is knowing which interpretation to go with, and the stakes are high enough to warrant some kind of special scouting project. What do you think, Bauxites?
Sano - Tuesday, July 27 2010 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#219309) #
I don't know how to answer your question katman, but just to further one of your points. I noticed that Cito made a point to give Escobar and Jobau a slap on the butt as they left the field tonight. Just one of those things that affirm what you said about Jobau becoming a clubhouse leader. I really feel that Cito likes him and would be loath to let him go.
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