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Sorry for the delay.  Some technical difficulties (and work) kept this from posting this earlier.  By now you're well aware of Kyle Drabek's no-hitter.  So let's just get right to it.


Las Vegas 4    Portland 5

Yeah, J.P. Arencibia hit a homer.  Of course he did.  It was his 21st of the year and sixth in his past 8 games.  I'm no analyst but I get the feeling he's kinda streaky.

In other news, Brian Dopirak was 3-for-4 with 3 doubles while Chris Lubanski and Manny Mayorson each had two hits.

Rommie Lewis got the start and allowed five runs (three earned) in four innings.  He walked three and struck out four.  Steven Register followed and struck out three in his three shutout frames before Jesse Carlson finished it off with a scoreless eighth.


New Britain 0   New Hampshire 5

Kyle Drabek has had a bit of an up and down year to this point.  But it's safe to say things came together on Sunday as Drabek came close to matching the achievement of the man he was traded for.  While Roy Halladay threw a perfect game for Philadelphia earlier this year, Drabek allowed but two baserunners on Sunday- both on walks.  In throwing his first career no-hitter, Drabek lowered his ERA to 3.20 as he sufficiently bounced back from two subpar performances.

At the plate, Adeiny Hechavarria had one of his best games as a pro, going 3-for-5 with a double and a run scored.  Darin Mastroianni, Adam Loewen, and David Cooper each had two hits while Eric Thames walked three times.



Dunedin 0    Lakeland 14

Eep.  Not good.  The D-Jays managed but four hits in this one- all singles- and two of 'em came from Travis D'Arnaud.  Other than that, they just spent their day striking out and chasing down balls while on defence.  Travis Snider was 0-for-4 with two strikeouts.

Chad Jenkins' day didn't go so well.  The 2009 first rounder had his worst Hi-A start to date by going just 4.1 frames and allowing eight runs (7 earned) on eight hits and four walks while striking out four.  The bullpen didn't fare much better as Boomer Potts allowed four runs in less than an innings work.



Lake County 6    Lansing 7 (10 innings)


You know who seems to pitch well every time out?  Egan Smith.  After two excellent starts in Auburn, Smith graduated to the Midwest League and fared quite well over his first three starts.  On Sunday, Smith continued the trend with 7 innings of three run ball.  He allowed nine hits but didn't walk anybody and struck out three.  Aaron Loup picked him up in the 8th and was in line for the win as the Lugnuts scored twice in the bottom of the inning to take a 4-3 lead.  But a double and a single knotted the game at 4-4 before 2 more crossed the plate in the 10th.  Brian Slover, who allowed Loup's inherited runners to score in the tenth, vultured the win

At the plate, Kevin Nolan was 4-for-4 with a walk while Yan Gomes drove in four runs.  But the real hero was Justin Jackson who picked up three hits and drove in the tying and winning runs on a two-out, two-run single in the bottom of the tenth.  Balbino Fuenmayor also hit his fifth homer of the year.



Staten Island 10    Auburn 3

Not a great day for the Doubledays.  Carlos Perez was 1-for-4 with a triple while Andy Fermin picked up two hits and an RBI to bump his average to .375.  The 32nd rounder made short work of the GCL and isn't finding the NYPL much harder to date.  Gustavo Pierre had the toughest day going 0-for-4 with 3 strikeouts.

The day didn't start off that badly for the pitchers as Andrew Hutchinson went four innings allowing two unearned runs while striking out five.  But things deteriorated from there as Leandro Mella and Jesse Hernandez allowed 8 runs over 2.2 innings of work.



GCL Blue Jays- Scheduled day off



DSL Blue Jays- Scheduled day off



Three Stars:

3rd Star: Justin Jackson
- 3-for-5, 2 RBI, GW single in tenth
2nd Star: Brian Dopirak- 3-for-4, 3 2B
1st Star: Kyle Drabek- No-Hitter.  9 IP, 0 ER, 0 H, 2 BB, 3 K

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westcoast dude - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#217930) #

Will Drabek be a September call up?  He makes the rotation next season is my guess.  Meanwhile, Mets fan are not happy that Halladay, 9-7, is an All-Star and not Pelfrey, 10-2. Strange times, indeed. Alex Anthopoulos is looking like a genius, but "It's OK, Peter Gammons always confirms his sources."

Gerry - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#217931) #
I am not a 40 man roster expert.  My opinion is that if Drabek has to go on the 40 man roster anyway they might call him up.  If he does not have to go on the 40 man the Jays will not call him up and preserve the spot.
tercet - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#217933) #
I don't want to be debbie downer, but what has Drabek done to deserve a September callup?

 If you compare his stats to what Cecil,Rzep,and Mills did in AA in 08/09 he is clearly the 4th best pitcher.  Hes walking way too much, not striking out much, and for some reason hes ahead of Cecil Rzep and Mills on the depth chart now?
Kelekin - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#217935) #
Why is Perales getting to start two days in a row in AAA after his call up? I see no reason he deserved this call-up, when they should be moving Mastroianni to AAA.  On that note, another 3 BB for Mastroianni tonight.

Loewen also went 3/4 with 1 HR, same with Cooper(finally up to .230!).

My question on Stewart - I've read on here that they spent a lot of the first few months here on his delivery.  But my question is, what was wrong with his delivery before? You know, the delivery that allowed him to post absolutely stellar numbers in the minors before this year.
Cynicalguy - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#217937) #
Arencibia: Somebody stop me!
Gerry - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#217938) #

Perales didn't deserve the call-up but the Jays brass decided that none of Mastroianni, Loewen or Thames were ready.  So rather than move a prospect and interfere with their development they promote an organization guy (who tripled and scored in his first ab tonight).

Pitchers and hitters get into bad habits all the time.  I assume that Stewarts problem at the start of the year was not there last season.  The Jays saw it in his first couple of starts and took action to try and fix it.

peiscooter - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#217939) #

Drabek signed his first professional contract on July 6, 2006 at the age of 18 1/2 meaning he's eligible this winter for Rule V drafting so he'd have to go on the 40-man roster if we want to keep him.  Not necessarily a September callup. 

Same applies to Arencibia, Emaus, Magnuson, Farina and Mills.  Some tough choices ahead. 

peiscooter - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#217940) #
Minor correction.  Mills is already on the 40-man roster, but he'll have to stay there.
TamRa - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#217941) #
Drabek doesn't have to be protected on the 40 man roster this winter(signed at 18 in 2006 - that means he has five years before he has to be protected, i.e. 2011


He will NOT - in my estimation - be called up this year and will NOT come into camp with a serious chance to make the roster out of spring training...although i do think it's possible if he blew them away in ST he could change that.

For future reference- the guys that require action this winter are Jeroloman and Campbell



TamRa - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#217942) #
Drabek signed his first professional contract on July 6, 2006 at the age of 18 1/2 meaning he's eligible this winter for Rule V drafting so he'd have to go on the 40-man roster if we want to keep him.  Not necessarily a September callup.



I thought it was five years if you signed at 18 or less...

From Cotts:

(Under the new CBA, a club has 5 years to evaluate a player who signs his first pro contract at 18 years old or younger, but only 4 years to decide on a player who signs at age 19.)

2006 + 5 = 2011


peiscooter - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#217944) #

WillRain.  My reading of the Rule V rules I figure that by signing at 18 he has 5 seasons (as opposed to years) protected, 2006 through 2010. 

Might be wrong???

TamRa - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#217945) #
to follow up, that means HS players from 2005, and college players from 2006 (if it were otherwise, Jeroloman would have had to have been added last year)

College guys from 2006 still in the system:

Jeroloman
Campbell
Jon Diaz
Kyle Ginley
Matt Luizza
Adam Calderone

there are no significant unprotected draftees from 2005

Mills was drafted again in 2007 and is not part of this discussion besides being already on the 40


TamRa - Monday, July 05 2010 @ 11:48 PM EDT (#217946) #

WillRain.  My reading of the Rule V rules I figure that by signing at 18 he has 5 seasons (as opposed to years) protected, 2006 through 2010. 

Might be wrong???


By my reading, it seems to NOT backdate to the begining of the first season but to date from the date of signing. since we know Drabek couldn't possibly have signed before the June draft in 2006, five years from that date would be sometime after June 1, 2011, right?


Here's the relevant passage-

Again from Cott's:


After 4 or 5 years as a professional, a player must be added to his club’s 40-man roster or exposed to the 29 other clubs in the Rule 5 draft. (Under the new CBA, a club has 5 years to evaluate a player who signs his first pro contract at 18 years old or younger, but only 4 years to decide on a player who signs at age 19.) For purposes of calculating years as a pro, the counting begins the day a player signs his first pro contract, not the season he begins to play.

92-93 - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 01:47 AM EDT (#217948) #
I believe the phrase WillRain bolded was meant to stop teams from having an incentive to not give recently signed draftees a taste of professional ball until the next season starts. If years were counted from when he starts to play, every team would send their kids to instructional so that they don't lose a year of control over them at the cost of a few weeks of pro exposure in July/August. By counting Year 1 as the year in which the player signs his contract that's prevented, and therefore Kyle Drabek would need to be protected this coming Rule 5 Draft.
Moe - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 04:43 AM EDT (#217950) #
College guys from 2006 were already in the rule 5 draft last year.

Examples:
Ben Snyder, 4th round 2006 out of Ball State was picked by TEX from SF
Hector Ambriz , 5th round 2006 out of UCLA was picked by CLE from ARI

So, 2006 High School and 2007 College kids need to be protected for the first time. The 2006 college guys Will listed above were already subject to the rule 5 draft once before. So I guess the Jays may got lucky the Jerolman was not picked up. They probably want to protect him now. This makes for a long list of players that need to be put on the 40 men roster at the end of the season.
 
jerjapan - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 08:52 AM EDT (#217952) #
Guys like Farina and Magnusson are the sort of pitcher that could succeed in a major league pen next year, making them attractive targets for the rule 5.  I'd like to see the Jays move Mangusson up to AAA and continue being aggressive with Farina, since with our newly improved organizational depth they might not have a spot on the 40 man this off season.

Man, the back end of that AA bullpen is impressive.

Mudie - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 09:34 AM EDT (#217953) #
Did anyone catch Gaston on the fan590 this morning? He was asked about Drabek potentially being a September call-up and respond in a some what strange fashion.

He stated that(paraphrased) "Double A can be tougher, that there are a lot of guys with good arms and that in double A you learn to hit the "good" fastball" and "in triple A there are a lot of older pitchers that throw a lot of curveballs and a lot of the time you call guys up from triple A that have a good average and they don't hit so well in the big leagues"

Is it just me or does it seem that, with the comments he made, he thought that A) the question was posed about another player; or that B) Drabek was a hitter?
John Northey - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#217954) #
It looks like the Jays could hit a crunch much like in the mid-90's when Ash felt the need to trade a batch of his minor league talent due to 40 man roster pressure. I'm thinking the 1996 offseason when Garcia/Merced/Plesac were acquired for 6 minor leaguers including Craig Wilson.

In that case AA hits the challenge of not giving up anyone who could be good (Wilson, or later Young) while also getting quality back. Not an easy thing to do unless you are trading with a GM who really shouldn't be. What would you trade a chunk of the potential Rule 5 guys for? Third base is the obvious hole which has few free agent options. Perhaps a 1B/DH/LF to fill Overbay's role if you feel Wallace still won't be ready or if LF is going to be open in 2011.
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#217955) #
Maybe I am not looking hard enough at it, but I don't see a 40 man roster crunch.  Arencibia and Jeroloman replace Buck and Molina.  Mills and Hechevarria are already on the 40 man.  Frasor, Downs, Encarnacion, Green, Overbay and Wise (at least) are likely to be gone. 
bpoz - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#217956) #
Drabek will definitely go on the 40 man to be protected from Rule 5.
If he is a Sept call-up:- 1) If there is no vacancy then we risk losing the replaced player. 2) This is my real question; does he lose a minor league option if he STAYS until the end of the year. If not then I would bring up Magnuson /Farina etc.. just to get them some Major League exposure. We will need all their options as we rebuild the bullpen.
Does Drabek have an innings limit.
MatO - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 10:25 AM EDT (#217957) #

I don't believe Drabek would lose an option if he was called up.

I don't see a 40-man roster problem either.  Downs and Frasor are FA's.  Accardo, Carlson, Reider Gonzalez and Lewis are on the roster and it's debatable as to whether they're worth keeping after this season.  Scott Richmond seems to have disappeared again (injured again?) so that may be another opening.

Gerry - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 10:36 AM EDT (#217958) #
Brad Mills is scheduled to start tonight for lost wages.
Kasi - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#217959) #
Might as well leave Mac off the 40 man too. Not like anyone would claim him.
Anders - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 12:29 PM EDT (#217960) #
Might as well leave Mac off the 40 man too. Not like anyone would claim him.
Guys on the 25 man roster are automatically on the 40, so alas, it cannot be (as things currently stand)
MatO - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#217961) #
You'd just have to replace MacDonald with another similar player.  You still need to field 25 players on the big league team.
TamRa - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#217962) #
College guys from 2006 were already in the rule 5 draft last year.

Examples:
Ben Snyder, 4th round 2006 out of Ball State was picked by TEX from SF


So - we are forced to conclude that any part of a year played the year a player signs counts as a "year" against the total of 4 or 5?

One wonders then, whether or not, for instance, 2009 counts against Jake Marisnick given that he signed in 2009 but did not play.

I have to concede that I'm reading it wrong, because i can't otherwise explain why Snyder got drafted last year.

That being the case - Players who need to be protected:

Drabek
Jeroloman
Arencibia
Magnuson
Farina
Boone(?)
Emaus
Mastorianni
Campbell(?)


Also, some other cases:
Adam Loewen - many reports say he has to be added to the 40 in order to avoid minor league free agency

Moises Sierra - according to the rules discussed here, should have been available last winter - i'm a bit surprised he wasn't drafted.



Prime candidates for leaving the roster -
Free agents:

DeWayne Wise
Nick Green
Jose Molina
John Buck
Alex Gonzalez* (option)
Lyle Overbay
Jason Frasor
Scott Downs
Kevin Gregg*

Potential non-tenders (absent a trade):
Edwin Encarnacion
Jeremy Accardo
Brian Tallet
Casey Janssen
Dirk Hayhurst (likely one of those "drop and resign to minor lreague deal things)


potential wavie/release/DFA:
Ray Gonzalez
Luis Perez
Ron Uviedo
Mike McCoy
Jarret Huffpauir
Bobby Ray

So they need 8-11 spots, they have 7-9 free agents and as many as five other potential non-tenders.

I don't see an issue.
Matthew E - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 01:33 PM EDT (#217963) #
Might as well leave Mac off the 40 man too. Not like anyone would claim him.
Guys on the 25 man roster are automatically on the 40, so alas, it cannot be (as things currently stand)
 
Then I think I have a solution for how to get him off the 40-man roster.
 
 
Chuck - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 01:33 PM EDT (#217964) #
You'd just have to replace MacDonald with another similar player.  You still need to field 25 players on the big league team.

Given that Hill appears totally healthy and Gonzalez is not apparently nicked by the chronic injuries that have plagued his career, carrying both Green and McDonald, who do exactly the same thing, seems foolish. Hill and Gonzalez only sit when they are made to sit. One ineffectual backup middle infielder should be sufficient.

Why not fill one of their spots with somebody who does something different? Maybe a RH outfielder (even one with a strong platoon differential) to play against the odd LHP. Maybe a RH first baseman to platoon with Overbay. This extra body does not need to be anything more than a AAAA player, but he should least serve a definable purpose.
MatO - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#217965) #
It was a 40-man roster construction issue.  I could care less whether MacDonald is on the team or not.  Whether it's another back-up OF or 1B they're still taking up a roster spot that can't be used to protect a prospect.
MatO - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#217966) #

Moises Sierra - according to the rules discussed here, should have been available last winter - i'm a bit surprised he wasn't drafted.

His first season was 2006 (he was signed in Dec 2005) when he was 17.  That would make 2010 his 5th year.  Sounds like he would be eligible after this season.

TamRa - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#217967) #
eye-yi-yi

I've never seen something that i understand in concept so easy but still manage to be so bad at applying - it's like a foreign language or something...


Chuck - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#217968) #
It was a 40-man roster construction issue. 

Yes. Sorry. I was using your remark as a springboard for a tangential rant. I was not intending, though it certainly seemed that way and for that I am to blame, to inject myself into a particular discussion about the 40-man roster.
Moe - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#217969) #
Adam Loewen - many reports say he has to be added to the 40 in order to avoid minor league free agency

I believe we had this discussion already but doesn't he have to be put on the 25 men roster because he is out of options? He was signed to a major league deal after being drafted so he started burning options from day one. If the Jays don't want to lose him for nothing, they have to put him on the 25 men or trade him.

According my reading of the rules 2009 counts for Jake Marisnick.

Mike Green - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#217970) #
Speaking of tangential rants, Jake Marisnick does not belong in the GCL anymore.  He's 19 years old and pretty obviously can handle Auburn, at least. 
Gerry - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#217971) #
Sean Shoffit pitched a perfect inning, with 2 strikeouts, for the GCL Jays today.
Moe - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#217972) #
Will, while I agree that roster spots open up due to free agency, you have to keep in mind that these spots mostly open up on the 25 men roster. Unless you can fill all of them from within, the Jays will have to keep some open for free agents. For example, I don't see a replacement for Lyle Overbay among any of these players (Wallace doesn't need to be put on the 40 men roster yet). So, we are probably going to see some marginal prospects being released/left off the 40 men roster (e.g. Huffpauir, Ray)

Oh, and I believe Molina has an option that should be picked up. I know the JPA and Jeroloman should be up but I somehow don't see the Jays go through a season with 2 rookie catchers.

Mick Doherty - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#217973) #
I admit it, it's kind of weirdly depressing to be on a baseball site that's having an in-depth discussion about potential offseason roster movement in July!
Chuck - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#217976) #

I admit it, it's kind of weirdly depressing to be on a baseball site that's having an in-depth discussion about potential offseason roster movement in July!

I think it's safe to say that this site has morphed into one far more focused on the minor leagues than the majors and one more focused on the future than the present. And it has been thus for a good long while. I say this without judgement. This just seems to be what people are most interested in discussing.

TamRa - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#217979) #
Will, while I agree that roster spots open up due to free agency, you have to keep in mind that these spots mostly open up on the 25 men roster. Unless you can fill all of them from within, the Jays will have to keep some open for free agents. For example, I don't see a replacement for Lyle Overbay among any of these players (Wallace doesn't need to be put on the 40 men roster yet). So, we are probably going to see some marginal prospects being released/left off the 40 men roster (e.g. Huffpauir, Ray)

to an extent i agree, but some of that will be done after the Rule 5  and some of that will be done via minor league free agency.

Plus, your point about Wallace actually works in favor of my original thinking - if they are confident Wallace is going to be the guy, and yet Wallace doesn't have to be put on the roster until they break camp, then that gives them a flexible slot until that point.

At the most extreme reading:

Overbay > Wallace (spot stays available until April)
Buck > Arencibia
Molina > Jeroloman (albeit there will be Molina or someone like him added on a minor league deal, i agree)
Gonzalez > McCoy (open spot)
Frasor/Downs/Gregg > there are enough relievers in house to fill out a pen
Wise/Green > easily filled by players on minor league contracts, again, flexible until April.

A theoretical roster:

Pitching - no one new to the system:

Marcum/Romero/Morrow/Cecil/Zep
Purcey/Roenicke/Carlson/Camp/Lewis/Janssen/Tallet

Hitting:
Lind/Lewis/Wells/Snider/Bautista/McCoy/Hill/Wallace/Arencibia/Jeroloman/McDonald/??x2

With Wallace and whoever the minor league additions would be (including the theoretical veteran that would bump Jeroloman) being players that wouldn't have to be added until Opening day, you COULD get by without using any of thos spots on imports - though I'm not predicting at all that there will ne zero signings.

 Still, your point is worth considering certainly.
bpoz - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#217982) #
Mick D, You got me thinking about being depressed. If its roster moves in July that is depressing then I must confess that I have been thinking roster moves much earlier than this.

2009's hot start got me so optimistic but the end result made me extremely cautious about the good start for 2010. Un fortunately post season qualification out of the AL East is a massive challenge because of unequal financial resources.

WillRain's 40 man research was very well done. But there is nothing special about pretty much all the players listed. Take Buck & A Gon, there was little competition to sign them so they were not thought of as BIG acquisitions but they have really produced. Gregg is probably doing what was expected of him, he is good but the powerhouse teams are eating him alive which is probably an expected result. We have a lot of 4th OFs & utility guys on the 40 man roster.
Magnuson & Farina have numbers that are too good to ignore, if they can do it in AAA then you have to bring them to Toronto. Loewen & Mastroianni also need the opportunity to succeed in AAA then maybe... Toronto.

I don't know.

Maybe we are using some of our scouts to evaluate other teams minor league talent and they can recommend some players we can trade for.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#217983) #

Molina > Jeroloman (albeit there will be Molina or someone like him added on a minor league deal, i agree)

I'd be surprised if the Jays spent the 200k on Molina's buyout as opposed to bringing him back for 1m. He seems like the perfect defensive caddy if the Jays are ready to hand the majority of playing time to Arencibia, and Jose's offense thus far has been solid for a backup C.

Chuck - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#217987) #

and Jose's offense thus far has been solid for a backup C.

Yeah, in all of 75 AB. His career line is: 238/281/332, for an OPS+ of 62.

Gerry - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#217991) #
Ho hum, another HR for Arencibia tonight.  He is 2-2 so far.  Brad Mills pitching well away from the rarified air in Portland.
Gerry - Tuesday, July 06 2010 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#217993) #
15 up, 15 down for Brad Mills so far.  Only 46 pitches so Portland must be swinging.  46 pitches, 39 strikes, not bad.
TamRa - Wednesday, July 07 2010 @ 01:50 AM EDT (#217998) #
very glad to see Mills get his control back, at least for tonight.


Kasi - Wednesday, July 07 2010 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#218002) #
I'd like to see Tallet released this offseason and Mills to take his place as the long reliever guy out of the bullpen.
bpoz - Wednesday, July 07 2010 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#218007) #
I love Molina... more offense than expected (by me), Morrow development (priceless)and throwing out base runners(unbelievable).

Tallet earned his 2010 money last year. I was really hoping he could repeat this year (500 SP with 170IP+ would be attractive trade bait). The workload must have been a strain on his arm.

Jeroloman ...solid backup/defensive catcher. IMO in 2011 we are not a serious contender unless lucky. So I would like a youth movement to SINK and SWIM with. IMO a youth movement is one logical "next phase".

Whenever we have a 2011 thread I want to put in my vote for promoting some young guys.


Jim - Wednesday, July 07 2010 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#218036) #
I think it's safe to say that this site has morphed into one far more focused on the minor leagues than the majors and one more focused on the future than the present. And it has been thus for a good long while. I say this without judgement. This just seems to be what people are most interested in discussing.

Was it when someone tried to discern the 70th prospect from the 75th or when people were building a case to trade Marcum when he still has 2 years of arbitration left because Morrow and Cecil are 'more talented' that you figured this out..... :)
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