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Today the teams will select players in round 2 through 30.  The Jays have two additional picks in the second round and one in the third.  Their first few picks of the day come at 61 (2nd round); 69 (Eliopoulos); 80 (Scutaro); 93 (3rd round); and 113 (Barrett).   Then it is down to every 30th pick.  The timetable is a lot faster on day two, the picks come every thirty seconds or so.

There are still some bigger names left on the board and the Jays can still expect that their in depth scouting has found some gems they can steal in this part of the draft.

The picking starts at noon.



We will add picks as they are made.

#61 - 2nd round - Griffin Murphy LHP

MLB.com

Fastball: Murphy ran his fastball up to 93 mph, showing a little more velocity than he has in the past.

Curve: His curve was improved as well. It's a true curve, a hard breaking ball he threw 74-76 mph.

Changeup: He exhibited a good feel for a changeup, giving him a third option.

Control: Command had been an issue in the past, but he struck out four at the showcase and showed much improvement with his control.

Poise: He showed plenty of mound presence in this elite showcase.

Physical Description: Murphy is a tall, athletic lefty with high, square shoulders.

Medical Update: He pitched through a neck injury during last summer's Area Code Games, which definitely hurt his performance and stock. But he's healthy now.

Strengths: The chance to throw three average-to-above pitches. Tall, athletic frame.

Weaknesses: He's had command issues in the past. He'll need to show that the improvements on display at the showcase were more than a one-time thing.

Summary: Murphy began to separate himself among high school lefties with his performance at the Urban Youth Academy Showcase in February. His fastball velocity was up, his curve ball was tighter and he showed some good action with his changeup. His stuff was even more effective with the improved command that was on display. The southpaw is tall, strong and athletic. His stock went way up at the UYA Showcase and will continue to climb if he keeps throwing like he did in Compton.

 

#69 - 2nd round - Kellen Sweeney SS (HS)

Medical Update: He had Tommy John surgery last summer -- thus the below-average arm right now -- but it should be just fine.

Strengths: Good hitting skills from the left side of the plate. Strong baseball instincts. MLB bloodlines.

Weaknesses: Not much power, unclear if he'll be able to stay at shortstop, where his value would be at its highest.

Summary: The brother of A's outfielder Ryan, the younger Sweeney has been on radar screens for a while now. He has very good hitting skills from the left side of the plate, though he doesn't have much power. He runs well, enough and his instincts allow that part of his game to play up. If he can stay at shortstop -- and he does show some ability -- he has that much more value, even at second -- keeping him up the middle -- could be a key. He reportedly had a good workout with the Blue Jays recently, and things like that could shoot him up the charts in a hurry.

 #80 - 2nd round - Justin Nicolino - LHP (HS)

From BA:

If teams considered him signable, lefthander Nicolino could factor into the first three rounds for some scouts. While it's hard to call Florida prep pitchers projectable because they throw year-round, Nicolino is just growing into his 6-foot-3 frame, having put on 15 pounds since last summer to get up to 175 pounds. Nicolino pitches off his fastball in the 88-91 mph range and has shown a curveball with average potential. His changeup is the better pitch now, and it's easy to see him as a three-pitch lefty with plus velocity down the line. It's also considered hard to buy Nicolino out of a Virginia commitment when scouts have to project on the velocity. A strong showing at the state all-star games in Sebring, though, could prod a team to pop Nicolino.

#93 - 3rd round - Christopher Hawkins SS (HS)

From BA:

Hawkins is a high school shortstop who is projected to play third base if he winds up at Tennessee. Most scouts don't necessarily see him staying in the dirt as a pro, but they do see tools that stand out even among Georgia's deep, talented class of high school athletes. Most project him as a center fielder thanks to his above-average speed. That has some scouts dreaming of Hawkins, a lefthanded hitter, as a poor man's Colby Rasmus, but he isn't as easy or fluid as Rasmus was at the same stage. Hawkns also has arm strength, and if his 6-foot-3, 210-pound frame proves too big for him to stay in center, he is athletic enough to handle a corner.

 #113 - 3rd round - Marcus Knecht LF (JC)

From BA:

After getting drafted in the 23rd round by the Brewers and playing for Canada at the World Junior Championship in 2008, Knecht went to Oklahoma State and got just 12 at-bats as a freshman last spring. Unhappy with his playing time, he transferred to Connors State, where he has electrified scouts. Knecht's 6-foot-3, 210-pound frame generates plenty of bat speed and raw righthanded power. He ranked among the national juco leaders in hitting (.453) and homers (21), though he struggled at times to make consistent contact against good velocity. Knecht is more than just a slugger. He ran a 6.55-second 60-yard dash during Connors State's scout day in the fall, and he earns solid 55 grades on the 20-80 scouting scale for his speed and his accurate arm. He lacks the instincts for center field and played left for the Cowboys this spring, and it's possible he could play right field as a pro.

#126 - 4th round - Sam Dyson RHP (College)

BA: Dyson has dialed his velocity down into the 92-93 mph range rather than the upper 90s and sitting 93-95. He can still flash that kind of velocity but has sacrificed it for better command and life. He's driving the ball down in the strike zone more and had cut his home runs allowed from 18 in 102 innings to three in 83 innings. Dyson is at his best when he is throwing his curveball for strikes and not just using it as a chase pitch. He also throws a slider in the mid-80s that doesn't have great depth, but he locates it better than the curve. His changeup has made progress as well.

 #156 - 5th round - Dickie Thon SS (HS)

BA: Thon is a great athlete who also competes in basketball, volleyball and track and field. Thon isn't a flashy defender, but makes all the routine plays. He has good feet, soft hands and an above-average arm. His bat is a little inconsistent right now, but he profiles as a good top-of-the-order hitter. He has gap power and could grow into some home run power as he continues to fill out and drives more balls. Thon is an average runner out of the box, but is above-average under way. He has good baseball instincts and projects to steal 20-30 bases a year. Signability is the biggest question with Thon because his father apparently wants him to attend Rice.

# 186 - 6th round - Sean Nolin LHP (JC)

BA: At 6-foot-4 and 250 pounds, Sean Nolin looks like a lefthanded version of Jason Jennings. Nolin's fastball will sit at 86-89 mph in some games and 88-92 in others, and he backs it up with a solid changeup and fringy curveball

#216 - 7th round - Mitchell Taylor LHP (HS)

#246 - 8th round - Logan Ehlers LHP (HS)

#276 - 9th round - Brandon Mims SS (HS)

#306 - 10th round - Tyler Shreve RHP (HS)

#336 - 11th round - Shayne Opitz SS (HS)

#366 - 12th round - Omar Cotto CF (HS)

#396 - 13th round - Tyler Painton LHP (HS)

#426 - 14th round - Dayton Marze RHP (SO)

#456 - 15th round - Zak Adams LHP (HS)

#486 - 16th round - Dalton Pompey CF (HS)

#516 - 17th round - Myles Jaye RHP (HS)

#546 - 18th round - Kris Bryant 3B (HS)

From MLB: Bryant made a name for himself on the summer showcase tour and can show off his raw power in batting practice. A home run streak helped him this spring, but overall he does not receive high grades for his hitting ability. He's below average defensively, so a move to first base could be in his future. If that's the case, he will need to fulfill his power potential. A team that feels he can do that - and not just in batting practice - will take a chance with the high schooler.

#576 - 19th round - Travis Garrett RHP (J2)

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85bluejay - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#216602) #

James Paxton - wonder where he'll end up - probably hasn't impressed in indep. league showing?

Wonder how much he'll demand and can he afford not to sign again?

Forkball - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#216605) #
Griffin Murphy, LH, high schooler out of California.
Forkball - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#216606) #
Sweeney was announced as a 3B
John Northey - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#216609) #
Justin Nicolino, another pitcher (left handed) taken 80th overall but not on Baseball America's top 200. MLB's website has nothing on him so far. All other picks have all been on BA's top 200.
ayjackson - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 01:02 PM EDT (#216611) #
Nicolino is reportedly a tough sign.
Sister - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 01:06 PM EDT (#216612) #
Christopher Hawkins, 3b, North Gwinnett HS, Suwanee, Ga. L/R 6-2 195 18 .513 113 46 58 19 1 14 43 5
Moving up even in crowded Georgia class thanks to 29-game hitting streak, power outburst.

North Gwinnett shortstop Chris Hawkins is one of a handful of late-risers among Georgia prep kids, a group that includes outfielder Aaron Shipman and shortstop Niko Goodrum, with the potential to go as high as the second round. Hawkins is a well-built kid, almost certain to move from shortstop to centerfield, with some athleticism and good bat speed. He loads his hands very deep and doesn't always let the ball travel as much as he should, but he laid off a number of balls that were close to the zone and homered on a changeup in the first of two playoff games. He's an above-average runner with an above-average arm, but he's already big for shortstop and doesn't have the feet to stay there. Given his bat speed and some signs of pitch recognition, he's a little more appealing than some toolsier high school kids, whose athletic gifts haven't yet translated into baseball skills.
ramone - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#216614) #

Ex scout Frankie Piliere likes the jays draft so far, from his chat today:

Comment From Sean Sean: ] Hey Frankie, what do you think of the Jays draft so far?

Tuesday June 8, 2010 1:02 Sean 1:03Frankie Piliere: I like it a lot. I think they really made a statement taking some real upside players like Syndergaard.
rpriske - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#216616) #
Marcus Knecht - LF - Connors State
John Northey - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#216617) #
Well, the first 113 picks done, all bonus picks have been made. Final one was Marcus Knecht a LF'er who didn't sign when drafted in 2008 in the 23rd round.

Paxton undrafted after a full 3 rounds.
rpriske - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#216619) #
126. Sam Dyson - RHP - South Carolina
Mylegacy - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#216620) #
Duson 6' 2" RHP, Medical history a mess - had labrum surgery + surgery on non-throwing arm + surgery to move nerve in elbow.

IF - stays healthy could be middle of rotation starter. Was higher rated before his injuries. Thorws 91-93 up to 95. Solid ave curveball, fringe ave slider, ave changeup.

codyla - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#216621) #

I think Sam Dyson is an alright pick.  If he can stay healthy he is reported to have middle of the rotation stuff.

Also,  James Paxton just 132 overall to the Mariners.  I don't feel so bad about the Jays not signing him anymore.

 

92-93 - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#216623) #

I'm amazed that Austin Wilson, who people thought the Jays would be in on at #11, still hasn't been selected as we approach the Jays at #156.

TamRa - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#216624) #
Dicke Thon!

HA.

At least we got on second generation guy...


tstaddon - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#216625) #
Seems teams, including the Jays, have deemed his commitment to Stanford too strong and figured him unsignable. Too bad - it'd be great to see him in Black and Blue.
Shoeless Joe - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#216626) #
I think Dyson is a waste of a pick. His medical history is just too much for me to handle. Hunter Morris a polished college bat went two picks later. He was a mucg better pick then Dyson.
rpriske - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#216627) #

You want a wasted pick? Why draft someon ewho has committed to going to college?

Do they want to try and talk him out of it?

Marc Hulet - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#216628) #

Dyson has responded nicely from the surgery and is far enough removed that it shouldn't be a big concern....

Thon is actually committed to Rice and will be a very tough sign (seven figures for sure)...

China fan - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#216629) #
Can someone explain what the phrase "committed to" actually means in scouting reports?  If a player is "committed to" such-and-such a college, is he 100-per-cent required to go there?  Can he easily abandon his "commitment" if he agrees to a professional contract?  What determines the degree of "commitment"?  Does he have a written agreement with the college, with legal force, or is it merely a statement of intent, which can be walked away from?  Does it ultimately depend on the mood of the player and the attractiveness of the contract offer? 
Shoeless Joe - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#216630) #

"You want a wasted pick? Why draft someon ewho has committed to going to college?"

Actually if that were to happen at Dyson's slot it would have been compensated the following year as a fourth rounder.

Krylian19 - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#216631) #
As far as I know the 'committment' is really just intent.  Nothing legal.  Most of the Top High Schoolers have offers and are committed to certain programs.  Gives them leverage.  Money will talk anyone out of going to school...it's just, how much money?
sweat - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#216632) #

The commitment just means they are going to that college, if they go to college. 

ayjackson - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#216633) #

A college committment letter is a letter committing you to play for that college and not any other NCAA school.

It doesn't mean you can't go pro.

Rich - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#216634) #
The commitment to a school also ends the recruiting process.
sam - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#216635) #
I think the term "committed to" means the player has signed a letter of intent.  You'll note that most high school prospects are "committed to" some college. 
Forkball - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#216636) #
Does it ultimately depend on the mood of the player and the attractiveness of the contract offer?

Pretty much.  There's no bound contract to stay at a college if someone doesn't want to.  Basically they're saying 'if this player goes to college, this is where he's going'
sam - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#216637) #
You gotta think the Jays are on the phone with some of these top high school prospect and ownership.  I have faith that the Jays will take a shot at Austin Wilson
China fan - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:33 PM EDT (#216638) #
Wow, six answers in six minutes!  Thanks to all.  Much clearer now.
Denoit - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#216639) #

I'm amazed that Austin Wilson, who people thought the Jays would be in on at #11, still hasn't been selected as we approach the Jays at #156.

He has probably told everyone that he is attending College no matter what. No point in wasting a pick on a guy who wont sign.

Anders - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#216640) #

I'm amazed that Austin Wilson, who people thought the Jays would be in on at #11, still hasn't been selected as we approach the Jays at #156.

He has probably told everyone that he is attending College no matter what. No point in wasting a pick on a guy who wont sign.

KLAW put the odds of his signing at 10%; I'm sure someone will draft him and offer him money, but it appears no one is willing to use a high draft pick to do it.

rpriske - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#216641) #
186. Sean Nolin LHP - San Jacinto College North
TamRa - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#216642) #
Do they want to try and talk him out of it?

Its been done before. Often all it takes is enough money.

And occasionally a few accomedations For instance, what if we gave Wilson top 10 money and promised him he could play short-season ball the first two years and report late to Lansing (or wherever) the third season so he could get his first two or three years in at Stanford without conflict?

That might be enough to make him think.


ayjackson - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#216643) #
He'll never make the bigs playing 2.5 months per year, he needs to be playing 9-10 months per year.
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#216644) #
I'm much more impressed with the Jays' picks today... lots of high-ceiling, raw players... especially if the club can get Thon signed by Aug. 15. Liking the sound of Murphy, Hawkins, Knecht, and Taylor, especially. Dyson could be a nice steal too, if his health holds up.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#216645) #
In the past teams have offered to pay for college for the player whenever they leave baseball, thus providing the fall-back position required to sign without fear of blowing your $1-2 million bonus.

I wonder if it would help sign some guys if you gave them an annuity that paid, say, $30k a year starting when they are 50 or something thus providing something for their retirement even if they never make the majors.
sam - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#216646) #
The video on the guy we just drafted is great.  Mitchell Taylor.  His hat clearly doesn't fit him, he has a wicked leg kick, think lefty version of Bronson Arroyo, and he has a pretty explosive fastball.  Favorite pick so far!
TamRa - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#216647) #
He'll never make the bigs playing 2.5 months per year, he needs to be playing 9-10 months per year.

How much of the year do top college players play?





Shoeless Joe - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#216648) #
At this rate we won't have to draft another pitcher until 2015. 
Anders - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#216649) #

And occasionally a few accomedations For instance, what if we gave Wilson top 10 money and promised him he could play short-season ball the first two years and report late to Lansing (or wherever) the third season so he could get his first two or three years in at Stanford without conflict?

That might be enough to make him think.

It might also make the NCAA think. If James Paxton can get suspended for simply discussing a contract with the Blue Jays with a lawyer present then I imagine the NCAA might have a problem with a player signing a professional contract and also wanting to play university baseball.

i.e. this is not allowed under any circumstances whatsoever.

Gerry - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#216650) #

The Jays are drafting big pitchers with good fastballs and athletic infielders.  It's the 90's all over again.

sam - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#216651) #
Shreve looks good.  It would be a real coup if we could sign him.  That's him striking out Marlins first rounder Christian Yelich in the video. 
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#216652) #
The profile of Thon makes him sound like a carbon copy of his dad.  That is a good thing. 
TamRa - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#216653) #
It might also make the NCAA think. If James Paxton can get suspended for simply discussing a contract with the Blue Jays with a lawyer present then I imagine the NCAA might have a problem with a player signing a professional contract and also wanting to play university baseball.

You misunderstand. I don't propose that he would play college ball in that scenario. His commitment to Stanford is much more about academics than their baseball program.
ayjackson - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#216654) #

How much of the year do top college players play?

They show up in February and stay until instructionals are over at least in
October.

MatO - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#216656) #

The Jays are drafting big pitchers with good fastballs and athletic infielders.  It's the 90's all over again.

I hope you're wrong about the pitchers.  Outside of first rounders: Karsay, Carpenter and Halladay the 90's were a disaster when it came to pitching.

Marc Hulet - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#216657) #
Shreve has a really interesting background but also some questions about his makeup... top quarterback at his high school, headed to U of Utah to quarter back only to allegedly assault his football coach and have his scholarship suspended....
rfan8 - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#216658) #
Do the Jays typically take this many HSers? I checked last year's list and it seemed to lean the other way.
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#216659) #

Three college picks through 12 rounds... wow. This is NOT last year's Jays... I just hope they can get most of these guys signed... It's almost comical how few college picks there have been.

Whose going to play in Auburn?

codyla - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#216661) #
And there goes Austin Wilson.  I'm a little disappointed the Jays couldn't have used their 12th round pick to take a risk at this guy.
rfan8 - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#216662) #
Everyone's fav Austin Wilson went to STL
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#216663) #
In answer to Marc's question about Auburn, there are a few good players moving up from the GCL led by Carlos Perez and Gustavo Pierre, in addition to McGuire (if he signs early) and a couple of other early collegians.  It is true that one can anticipate quite a few filler collegians in the later rounds. 
sam - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#216664) #
If St. Louis signs Wilson, I'll be peeved.
85bluejay - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#216665) #
Can the Jays not promote guys from the DSL to Auburn?
John Northey - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#216666) #
It is VERY rare that a hard sign will sign when drafted in the 12th round. Odds are Austin Wilson told teams he would not sign unless they did something crazy (ie: offer $10-20 million).
85bluejay - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#216668) #

St. Louis did very well last year getting Shelby Miller signed, I won't be surprised if they get Wilson signed

at the last minute.

Kelekin - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#216669) #
More so than the fastball, the Jays have been drafting pitchers who all seem to throw power curves.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#216670) #
They could promote from the DSL to Auburn but first would have to get passports and visa's and the like which isn't a quick thing.

Odds are the Jays leave them in the DSL due to players not being ready to leave the Dominican for an assortment of reasons - from skill level to experience to ability to handle the pressure of living in a foreign country where they don't speak your language. I seriously doubt we'll ever see a guy promoted mid-season from the DSL.
MatO - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#216671) #
I think they'll need that $16M draft budget to sign all these HSer's away from their commitments.
85bluejay - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#216672) #

Very happy with draft so far - I used to get so pissed off watching the Jays take all those 22/23 yrs old college

suspect that you knew were just filler far too early in the draft 

John Northey - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#216673) #
As to quality of picks, check this out to see how the Jays have done at each round of the draft.

50+ WAR guys have been drafted by the Jays in the 1st (once Halladay gets a couple more WAR this year), 2nd, 3rd, 5th, and 20th rounds. 70 is a HOF lock, 60 a likely HOFer.

The 4th round has been a disaster for the Jays historically with no one ever getting to 2 WAR (considered what you want out of a regular in a single season) while the 5th has been the area the Jays find gems - Dave Stieb, Pat Hentgen, Mike Young, Mike Timlin, and Marc Rzepczynski (hopefully he'll belong with the others someday).

Other late round gems included Barfield (9th), Casey Blake (7th), Glenallen Hill (9th), Alex Gonzalez (13th), Reed Johnson (17th), Woody Williams (28th), Orlando Hudson (33rd & 43rd).

Not signed were Scott Erickson (44th), Jim Abbott (36th), Mike Henneman (27th), Ryan Franklin (25th), and Jeffrey Hammonds (9th) among others.

This basically tells you that it is hard to find a Jeff Kent in the late rounds, but every so often they do appear. After the first 5 rounds though talent is very hard to find and counts on luck and signing the tough ones.
sam - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#216674) #
Deandre Smelter was an interesting high school arm.  I think he'll sign. 

Ya I just can't see Austin Wilson signing.  The academic background, Stanford, the amount he's asking, the probability that the Cardinals prioritize the tough signs they drafted earlier on like Cox.  No way he signs. 
sam - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#216675) #
Also of note, I expected more prospects drafted from California, but it seems like the Jays have concentrated on Texas.  I expected California because we have far more scouts there than Texas. 
Impossibles - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#216676) #
Its about upside.  Shelby was drafted 19th overall and signed for $2.9M.  He wasn't going to get much more than that if he went to college.

Very very few players get signing bonuses higher than $1M after the 3rd round.  MLB doesn't want that, because it would set the salary scale out of whack.  Bonuses for later rounds would keep getting crazier and crazier.

China fan - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#216677) #
Given what's happened to Paxton and Eliopoulos this year, obviously everyone is happy with the Jays strategy of opting for the compensation picks.  But does anyone think that Paxton and Eliopoulos are also evidence that the Jays scouting last year was faulty?   They were drafted in the early rounds last year, but now it appears that they would have been poor acquisitions.  Does this reflect badly on last year's Jay scouts?  Or was it a flukey thing that could not have been predicted last year?
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#216678) #

My comment was tough-in-cheek really about Auburn, as it's usually a landing place for college picks, not high schoolers...

The Jays do have a number of DSL players coming over for the first time... eight to 10, actually. Quite a few...

mendocino - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#216679) #

The Jays do have a number of DSL players coming over for the first time... eight to 10, actually. Quite a few...

could you please name them...thank you

John Northey - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#216680) #
Wow did those two drop.

Paxton: #132 overall to the Mariners, round #4
Eliopoulos: #472 overall to the Dodgers, round #15

Wonder if they wish they signed last year?
ComebyDeanChance - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#216681) #
Marc, I lack any expertise on these kids. What would you say the Jays' overall draft strategy was in light of Days 1 and 2? To my untrained eye, it looks like pitching first, then take flyers on hitting. I must say that hearing that 12 pairs of eyes had ok'd McGuire didn't inspire confidence, as that sounds to me like a consensus choice rather than the one who the best talent scout liked.

Second, how would you say the Jays did compared to Boston and Tampa?
Gerry - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#216683) #
China fan: I was thinking the exact same thing.  the Jays might have got lucky by not signing those guys.
Spicol - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#216684) #
Given what's happened to Paxton and Eliopoulos this year, obviously everyone is happy with the Jays strategy of opting for the compensation picks.  But does anyone think that Paxton and Eliopoulos are also evidence that the Jays scouting last year was faulty?   They were drafted in the early rounds last year, but now it appears that they would have been poor acquisitions.  Does this reflect badly on last year's Jay scouts?  Or was it a flukey thing that could not have been predicted last year?

In Paxton's case, it's probably a multitude of reasons above and beyond the skill of the previous scouting staff, including an injury and concerns about his makeup after the whole lawsuit business.

With Eliopoulos, he just seemed to lose it. His velocity was apparently down...he didn't perform well even though he only played JuCo (8.44 ERA in 21 innings) and ended up walking off his team this spring.
TamRa - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#216687) #
They show up in February and stay until instructionals are over at least in  October.

No no. I mean how much of the year do they play while they are in college?
TamRa - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 08:21 PM EDT (#216688) #
Whose going to play in Auburn?

While I'm sure Marc doesn't need me to answer that, I'll take a stab for the audience at large.

If one assumes that Auburn will get the college players and the higher profile high schoolers, and the GCL will get the more raw high schoolers...

This is what we have out of the 2009 draft who haven't begun play yet, and this one (presuming signings of course)

AUBURN:

SP-
Deck McGuire
Robert (Daniel?) Webb
Drew Hutchinson
Asher Wojciechowski (might be on an innings limit)
Sam Dyson

other pitchers-
Sam Strikland
Lance Loftin
Brian Justice
Zach Outman
Zach Anderson
Sean Nolin

C-
Carlos Perez
Jack Murphy

1B-
K.C. Hobson
Lance Durham

2B-
Jon Fernandez

SS-
Gustavo Pierrie

3B-
Kellen Sweeny
Chris Hawkins



OF-
Jake Marisnick
Marcus Knecht
Aaron Westlake
Ronald Melendez



with a couple of filler guys thrown in on the bench.

Which is fun because the whole starting rotation and at least 4 or 5 of the hitters are guys you want to watch.
Helpmates - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#216689) #
For some reason, Kevin Ahrens hit a home run tonight.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#216690) #
Maybe he'll like it.

Random item: I did not know that Jake Eliopoulos' dad was a local hero until I saw his name up where I work out. 

Spicol - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#216691) #
I really like the Thon pick. Hopefully picking all those SS won't deter him from signing.
Shane - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#216692) #

For some reason, Kevin Ahrens hit a home run tonight.

Hahaha. It's good to laugh when you can.

Chris DH - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#216694) #

If the Jays could sign SS-3B Kris Bryant that would be pretty  big.  Keith Law had him ranked at #29, Baseball America at #53.  Obviously, he will be a difficult sign.  Perhaps he is a backup plan if one of the top draftees doesnt sign...

Also, interesting information from Jon Lott of the National Post on Round #10 pick RHP Tyler Shreve.

http://bit.ly/912Fs8

 

Chris DH - Tuesday, June 08 2010 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#216695) #

Other guys the drafted late that were ranked higher by MLBBonusBaby for Day 2:

http://www.mlbbonusbaby.com/2010/6/8/1506771/best-players-availble-for-day-two

Griffin Murphy LHP ranked #63 - Jays selected 61st (okay this is at value)

Kris Bryant 3B ranked #66 - Jays selected in 18th round, 546 overall.

Marcus Knecht OF ranked #79 - Jays selected 113th overall.

Sam Dyson RHP ranked #84 - Jays selected 126th overall.

Doesnt seem like Dyson was a bad selection really.  Project Prospect has an article on 2010 MLB Draft Sleepers after the 50th pick - one of the players listed, Sam Dyson:

http://projectprospect.com/article/2010/06/08/2010-mlb-draft-sleepers

C.

 

 

 

 

 

Sneeps - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 12:35 AM EDT (#216696) #

I have to admit that i'm pretty excited about this draft.  The only pick that doesn't make much sense to me is the kellen sweeney pick, but otherwise we added a bunch of great talent.

I'm especially excited about Marcus Knecht.

metafour - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 01:17 AM EDT (#216697) #
The only pick that doesn't make much sense to me is the kellen sweeney pick

Best player at the private workout we held which also included Yelich, Tony Wolters, Kris Bryant, Marcus Littlewood.

That is one of my favourite picks.  Shows everything needed to be be a good hitter (great bat speed, very strong hands).  Recovering from TJ surgery which undoubtedly affected his stock.
China fan - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 08:14 AM EDT (#216699) #
Wait a second.....  Top prospects are giving private workouts for Bauxites in advance of the draft??  When did this start?  Shows the power of Da Box -- everyone wants to impress us!
ramone - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#216701) #

After reading this I'm thinkging Dickie Thon Jr won't be signing, if his dad has anything to say about at least:

LINK

Original Ryan - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 09:51 AM EDT (#216702) #
I'm wondering if the Jays might try to enlist the services of Dickie Thon Sr.'s former teammate in Houston, Alan Ashby, to deliver the sales pitch on Toronto to Dickie Jr.  There's no guarantee that Dickie Jr. will be drafted by the Astros after he attends college.
MatO - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#216703) #
The big change in AA's first draft is that there were no 4-year college players (juniors or seniors) taken between the 4th and 22nd rounds.  I suspect that the scouts are going to be working very hard this summer following all these HS kids at those summer showcases and upon closer review determining which ones warrant signing for over slot.
Hodgie - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#216704) #
Sounds like a public negotiating ploy on behalf of Thon Sr. If sincere, his anger at the Jays is misplaced. Even his beloved Astros had decided that Dickie Joe was not worthy of a selection before the Jays tabbed him with their 5th round selection. It is all about the Benjamins... 
Rich - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 10:45 AM EDT (#216706) #
Thon Sr's comments are laughable:

"He is comitted to Rice and I'm leaning toward Rice. He is going to be a better player after going to Rice."

"Maybe Joe will sign with the Astros after playing for Rice,"

Good to know the father is leaning towards college.  What does the kid want?

And if he's going to be a better player after going to Rice, he'll just get drafted high again where the Astros have a 1 in 30 chance of getting him.  Someone should tell Sr. that his boy doesn't get to pick and choose who he plays for until he's done his service time in the big leagues.




bpoz - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#216710) #
Willrain regarding Auburn, did you forget Bryson Namba 3rd base. Please let me know his progression?
bpoz - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 11:33 AM EDT (#216715) #
85 Bluejay, those 22-23 year old late picks used to fool me. I got excited about Cody Crowell because he was 6'3" lefthanded and had great numbers except he was a 14th round 2007 pick which is reasonably high. Then he got released from Lansing. From reading da box I finally understood some of the reasoning behind picking them. Is he a good example of a filler pick.

Seriously
1) Do you expect AA to pick a lot of them on Day #2?
2) Could we still get them as undrafted or will the cream of the crop be already picked?
3) Do we really need them?
Impossibles - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 11:41 AM EDT (#216716) #
If a HS kid doesn't sign and goes to University, how many years before he is draft eligable again?

The current CBA expires in Dec 2011.  Many people have said MLB is going to push hard for a slotting system for draft picks.  I would think if a HS player has to commit to school for 2 years, he's risking a lot should the new CBA drag down signing bonuses.  I think the Jays should have some good negotiating leverage with the HS draft selections because of this.

Gerry - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#216718) #

If a kid goes to college he usually can't be drafted for three years.  A few can be drafted after their second year, I am unsure of the criteria but I think it is if they are older.

If a kid goes to Junior College he can be drafted sooner, JC kids drafted are usually 19 or 20.  See the Marcus Knecht story in draft day three for an example of that.

Mike Green - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#216719) #
Wait a second.....  Top prospects are giving private workouts for Bauxites in advance of the draft??  When did this start?  Shows the power of Da Box -- everyone wants to impress us!

None for me, but McGuire will be coming over for brisket on Friday night...he is meshpuchah now!
/gratuitous Wire reference
zeppelinkm - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#216723) #
Original Ryan: I think that's a genuinely great idea.

I agree the choice is Jr's alone, but let's be realistic, this is the biggest decision of his life and it sure is easier when you have mom (and dad's) support. So if Ashby could help convince Sr that TO isn't so bad, then let's get it done.
92-93 - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 12:30 PM EDT (#216724) #

Given what's happened to Paxton this year, obviously everyone is happy with the Jays strategy of opting for the compensation picks.

I'm not, and there's nothing obvious in this situation. Paxton fell out of the first round because Beeston screwed him and he made the mistake of trying to stand up to the NCAA. His talent level hasn't dipped and he didn't get hurt so I don't know how you can make a blanket statement like now it appears that he would have been (a) poor acquisition. Maybe if the Blue Jays didn't quibble with him over 350k he'd already have been promoted to Dunedin after tearing through Lansing. The only reason he fell is because everybody knows he still wants that bonus north of 1m and if he needs to pitch a year in Indy ball to get it he well. If I had to choose today between Syndergaard and Paxton, I'm taking Paxton.

Forkball - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#216727) #
Paxton fell out of the first round because Beeston screwed him and he made the mistake of trying to stand up to the NCAA.

And if he didn't stand up to the NCAA he would have been ineligible. 

The reason he fell this year is because he didn't show as much as he did last year.  Whether signing with the Jays last year and getting into the system would have changed that is a guessing game with no answer.
Impossibles - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#216740) #
If another team thought Paxton was worth north of $1MM, they would have picked him.

He and his agent gambled and lost.  There are rules in place, he broke the rules, he's paying the price now.

We'll never know what could have been, but I'm sure if you asked Paxton what he would do if he could have a do-over, I think he would have accepted JP's offer.
stevieboy22 - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#216741) #
I can't understand how Paxton would not sign a major league contract over 200k (I recall it being somewhere in that ballpark).

He could have got 1 million, and really, how much more could he have received if would have been a 2010 top 10 pick? Its pretty insignificant relative to the risk of blowing your arm out and getting NOTHING... This isn't Rod Barajas fighting for an extra 200k, this is a regular kid with nothing... And I don't think school matters, school will always be there, 1 million dollars won't...

Paxton took a risk by listening to Boras, and hopefully other players pay attention.. Boras ain't perfect..






whiterasta80 - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#216744) #
Agreed stevieboy, I think that our stance on Paxton and Elio has been vindicated with the result this year.  Last year they watched Aaron Crow go in essentially the same slot as the year before and got "ideas" now the risk of not signing should scare some players into caving.  Certainly not the Harpers and Strasburg's of the world, but the others should take note.
TamRa - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#216763) #
Willrain regarding Auburn, did you forget Bryson Namba 3rd base. Please let me know his progression?

I had him there, then crouwded him out (presumably back to the GCL) based on two things:

1. the heavy praise Bryant was getting here
2. the fact he only hit .195 in the GCL last year (IIRC - I looked it up while I was making the list but i may be mis-remembering now)


Jdog - Wednesday, June 09 2010 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#216764) #
As for Bryant and Auburn. I think most all HS position players will start in the GCL if they sign. There is no point in making the young kids transition to the wood bat while facing pitchers 3 years older who have had major college experience. Slow and steady wins the race.
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