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Jose Bautista has hit three home runs in the past two days, and now has 11 on the season, tied for third in all of baseball. In a season filled with "who saw this coming?", well.... who saw this coming???!

Bautista has gained some attention over at Fangraphs recently; Dave Cameron wrote a snippet about Bautista in his weekly What We Learned column, and then seemed to decide that Jose was worth more than two paragraphs and expanded his post by comparing Bautista to Ben Zobrist.

As Cameron points out, Bautista is only making 2.4 million dollars this year, and is controllable through 2011. Also, while the sample size for Bautista's power surge is admittedly small, it hasn't been just this year; Bautista smacked ten homers last September, increasing our confidence in saying this isn't just a fluke. If he has really established a new performance level, he could be one of the more attractive chips on the trade market this summer.

What Cameron doesn't explore: what if the Jays decide to keep Bautista? I think we've all been pleasantly surprised by the play of Canada's team throughout this young season, and while 2012 is probably the more reasonable target date for contention, it's not out of the question that the collective growth of the young core and perhaps a dip into the free agent market could lead to a somewhat competitive team as early as next year. If Jose Bautista is truly having a break-out season, and the staff thinks he can stick at third base, an area of long-term weakness for the club, he could be a piece worth keeping around, not only for the 2011 season but because clubs often have an easier time extending their own players.

But this discussion contains a lot of assumptions. Well, not a lot, but a couple of big ones. One is that a 29-year-old can suddenly flip a switch and turn from a perpetual role player into a starter. It's happened before, but it isn't common. The other assumption is that Bautista can passably play a position where he's historically had poor (though improving) stats.

So what do you think? Is it possible Bautista has figured something out and truly become a good hitter? And what about his 3B defense? Even though he's been around for several years, he only has about two seasons worth of defensive data at the hot corner, and with all the time he's spent in the outfield, maybe he just never had a chance to really work on becoming an average (or above) defender at 3B. Could he still do that?

My take: it's too early to tell, but as we all know this is a re-building year whose purpose is to find out what the team's assets are. I think Bautista could be one of those assets, which is more than I'm willing to say about E-5, and I'd like to see the Jays give Bautista as much playing time at third as they can. Unfortunately, that may not happen with Encarnacion coming off the DL today. But this isn't about what will happen, it's about what would you do, which is why we're all here anyway!
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AWeb - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 07:21 AM EDT (#215224) #
I don't think that it was on purpose, but if you wanted to come with a theoretical way to get a guy to adopt a new approach and prosper, batting him leadoff for quite a while (30 games or so over two years) to get him to take good looks at pitches and practice working the count, and then putting him deeper in the lineup and asking him to hit it harder...well, it seems like a good approach. And I find it encouraging that Bautista batting leadoff was able to be a OBP guy, walking a lot, and now batting somewhere else (7th mostly) is able to take a different, but also appropriate approach. Not many hitters are good enough to do it both ways.

So is Bautista for real? Probably not 40 HR for real, but he's looking less like a "hope the Jays get a C+ prospect for him" guy and more like a "a team can contend with this guy holding down a power position" guy. As for his defense at 3B, it's likely he could be good enough to my eye - below average is acceptable from some players, and he doesn't seem to be a butcher out there. Let's put it this way - he seems more likely to maintain a high level of play than the last guy with almost the same name who came out of nowhere to hit 40HRs for the Jays at 3B.
Dave Till - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 08:04 AM EDT (#215225) #
I think some of Bautista's improvement is due to a change in venue. Miller Park is a tough place to hit home runs, whereas Ted's Shed is more homer-friendly, especially for right-handed hitters. Both Bautista and Gonzalez are discovering that fly balls tend to do good things here, and have adjusted accordingly.

Long-term, I dunno. Bautista will be 30 this year, so he won't have a lot in the tank. Maybe he'll end up like Scutaro, with the Jays converting a former spare part into two first-round draft picks. But, in the short term, I'm certainly okay with him getting lots of playing time - he's definitely earned it. And somebody who can be at least marginally competent at both third base and the outfield is a tremendously useful player, as we're finding out right now with Snider out.

Gerry - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 08:58 AM EDT (#215226) #
I am not sure where to find a home run chart for Bautista, I am sure someone here knows where to find it.  My impression is that Bautista is able to turn quickly on pitches inside, and often up and in.  As a result I believe most of his HR's are to left and even to the corner in left.  Will pitchers stop pitching him inside?
AWeb - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 09:10 AM EDT (#215227) #
Home run locations for Bautista

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2010_1053&type=hitter (sorry, firefox)

He's hitting them very hard (speed off bat), for about average distance. Pretty standard HR distribution. Also, hit tracker is an awesome site.
Forkball - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 09:11 AM EDT (#215228) #
Bautista seems like a guy you go year to year with.  And if someone comes in after next year (or later) and signs him away just take the pick(s).

I know the whole 'don't draft for position' argument, but if the Jays use a pick or two on players that might ultimately end up at third base with their boatload of picks in this year's draft I won't complain.  That's probably the team's biggest hole in the organization.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 09:25 AM EDT (#215229) #
So, I was going to answer Gerry's question about Bautista's homers with Hit Tracker, and the first thing I noticed is the American League leaders in no-doubt  home runs: Vernon Wells, John Buck, Jose Bautista and Ty Wigginton.  Hmm.  Anyways, here is Jose's HR scatterplot.  My impression is that he does sometimes take the ball out over the plate a long way to center and left-centerfield.  Like Buck, his GB rate is at an all-time low and his IF fly rate and HR/fly rate are at all time highs.  It does definitely appear that there have been mechanical changes made to swings.  I wish I could say that I can see them. 

ZIPS is a conservative offensive estimator.  Bautista's season totals are now estimated at .233/.333/.459.  For an average defender at third (which is what I make him), this would fall into the useful contributor category.  It is pretty much impossible to predict what role, if any, he might have with the Blue Jays of 2012.  We'll see how he does, and how the third base/corner outfield prospects do over the next year or so. 
bpoz - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#215230) #
Bautista has to play at 3rd to get better at it. Being in the outfield because of EE will not make him realize any potential he may have at 3rd. What is his potential with Butterfield polishing up his defense. I think he is already good enough. Good acquisition for Robinson Diaz. AA when asked directly what does he want to see in 2010 to evaluate the season as a success, would not give a Wins number but instead said player development. Success would mean big steps forward for key young players. So far Bautista, Gonsalez and Buck have 10 Hr and 25-30 rbi each roughly. Will any or all have 25 Hr and about 90 Rbi for the season and will they be here for 2011. So many questions. Also will BW and JPA be playing for the Jays in 2011 and any other 1st year major league players? A new manager and many(?) 1st year players will IMO mean 2011 will also be a "development" year. I hope/lovetosee a solution to 3rd base even temporary (year by year) and if Bautista is it for 3 years, I will be happy with it.
China fan - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#215232) #

On Bautista's defensive abilities:  one factor that nobody has mentioned is the attitude of the Jays managers and coaches.  They have never hesitated to put Bautista at 3B in any game, and to keep him there throughout the whole game -- in fact they seem eager to play him at 3B except when he is needed in the outfield or when they feel obliged to give playing time to EE.   Since I generally trust the assessments of the Jays managers/coaches, I'd say Bautista's defensive abilities are adequate at least.  In fact, the coaches/managers have been high on Bautista since he was first acquired, and I think they've been proven right.  I'd say he deserves to stay in the starting lineup unless his hitting deteriorates drastically.

Since this is the TDIB thread, I think we should also be discussing the pitching situation.  It's clear, at this point, that Marcum and Romero have established themselves as the top pitchers in the rotation.  Cecil and Morrow are still unpredictable:  they can go 2 innings or 8 innings, and nobody seems to know which it will be, from game to game.  But they deserve more time in the rotation, so that everyone can figure them out a bit better.  That leaves Eveland -- and it's increasingly obvious that he should be shifted to the bullpen to make room for Litsch or Zep.  (Rommie Lewis or Roenicke can easily be demoted to make room for him.)  So this leaves one key question:  who deserves the rotation chance -- Litsch or Zep?  Any opinions?  Personally I'd be comfortable with either of them (for a few starts anyway) -- and I'm glad that the Jays depth is offering choices, not the panicky desperation moves of last season.

John Northey - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#215233) #
Since Rzep is in AAA tonight I'd guess he is further along thus gets the first shot.

As to who to remove lets take a look...

Brandon Morrow: 25 years old, 6.15 ERA, 5.1 IP per start, gone more than 6 IP just 1 out of 8 starts, didn't do too well vs Boston/Tampa (7 2/3 IP 8 runs 9.39 ERA). Game scores of (in order) 39-20-73-60-57-49-23-55

Brett Cecil: 23 years old, 5.46 ERA, 5.6 IP per start, gone more than 6 IP twice in 5 starts, did OK vs Boston & Tampa (12 2/3 IP 5 runs 3.55 ERA), only Texas hit him hard (and boy did they ever). Game scores of (in order) 53-60-84-42-8

Dana Eveland: 26 years old, 4.98 ERA, 5.4 IP per start, gone more than 6 IP 4 out of 8 starts, hit hard by Boston hasn't faced Tampa (7 IP, 13 runs, 16.71 ERA). Games scores of (in order) 68-59-43-15-40-72-24-26


Eveland looked good for awhile, but seems to be the old fashioned 'Sunday starter' - ie: faces only the dregs of the league in order to give the regulars a day off. Very useful in the pen as the '6th starter' who comes in for double headers or short term injury relief. Cecil needs another start to show if he can recover from a couple of poor starts in a row. Morrow ... well ... I'm not impressed. He seems a lot like Jim Clancy did to me, namely someone for whom league average is about all you should hope for with the odd bright spot here and there.

I'd say Eveland to the pen, with both Cecil and Morrow on thin ice. Still, if you take out Morrow's first two starts you get 6 starts 4.50 ERA 5.3 IP per start so he might have turned the corner but that wildness is a very, very poor sign.
dan gordon - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#215235) #

I think most people would be pretty excited if the Jays had a young third baseman who hit 26 HR's in the big leagues at the age of 25 in only 506 AB's.  Well, that's what Encarnacion did in 2008.  Since then he's had a tough time with injuries.  Unfortunately, Toronto fans only saw him in a limited time when he was probably not 100%  I'd like to see him get a chance.  He could very well be a 30 HR guy.  He's still only 27.  I see he hit a HR in his 1st AB today.

Bautista is an interesting case.  In 2006 and 2007 at the ages of 25 and 26 he hit 16 and 15 HR's in 400 and 532 AB's so he has shown decent power before, at a fairly early age.  Power is usually the one of the last things to develop for a ball player, so progression in that department for Bautista from those levels is not unrealistic.  However, the HR rate this year and last Sept are such a big jump, that I would want to see him sustain it for a longer period of time to believe it.  He doesn't hit for much of an average, particularly vs righties, but at least he walks a bit.  I wouldn't be totally surprised to see him hit 25 HR's this year.  The versatility is nice as well.   It will be interesting to see how these 2 perform over the rest of this season, and what the Jays decide to do with them.

The rotation is going to be a tough call in a few weeks when Rzepczynski and Litsch are healthy.  Eveland obviously is the 1st to go, but it's a tough choice to drop one more.  I just hope they don't put Tallet back in there when he comes back, which is also going to happen soon.  Gaston seems to have a ton of loyalty to Tallet, but hopefully that won't hold a lot of weight.  My guess is Litsch makes it into the rotation and it's a coin flip between Cecil and Rzepczynski for the 5th spot, unless Morrow has serious control problems.

Ryan Day - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#215237) #
Litsch is a veteran, so he'll probably get his spot in the rotation back if he's healthy. Rzep was going to start the year in AAA anyway, so he'll probably stay there until someone gets hurt or Morrow or Cecil slide too far.
perlhack - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#215238) #
Warning: ARod is one stolen base shy from joining the 300-300 club, and the Yankees conveniently play the "our catcher's can't throw out a runner" Red Sox tonight.

Oh, how will the media respond?
AWeb - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#215240) #
Wait, Litsch is a veteran? He's made 50 starts. I suppose that qualifies as a veteran on this staff right now, but my brain still insists I object.

300-300 club - I didn't even know it existed, let alone with such a long wikipedia entry. Yeesh.

The Jays lead the majors in both homers and doubles before todays game (and have since extended those leads with 7 more XBH), something that seemed utterly impossible in March. They have turned into the anti-OBP team, 5th last in the majors at .311, and yet 5th in runs scored. Take that, 25 years of gathered knowledge on how to score more runs! I'm sure they can continue on and hit 240 HRs and 400 doubles as a team, right? However long it lasts, it is fun to read a boxscore with lots of Jays in the "HR" row.
Paul D - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#215241) #

Anyone know what's happening with Dustin McGowan?

Gerry - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#215242) #

McGowan is back to throwing off flat ground, playing catch basically.

It's a long road back.

92-93 - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#215243) #
Even before Zep was absolutely pounded today I assumed Litsch would be ready first. Jesse has been on a regular throwing program for a couple months now and went 7 and 8 innings in his first 2 Dunedin starts, so he may only need one more tune up before he is ready for a callup if the team decides they've seen enough from Eveland. With Tallet also around the corner the team is probably best off leaving Zep in Vegas until somebody in the rotation needs a DL stint, using Tallet/Eveland as the swingman if any emergency starts are needed.
John Northey - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#215244) #
Geez, Wikipedia is evil - draws me in.

30-30 Jays - just 2 so far. Who are they?
Dave Rutt - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#215245) #

Just checking out the box score, looks like McCoy came in as a defensive replacement for Wells. Can anyone elaborate?

binnister - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#215246) #
Didn't Wells come up looking a bit lame after his 'triple'? 

(Shrugs)He stayed in the game, but maybe his hamstring tightened up later....

China fan - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#215247) #
McDonald also came in for Gonzalez at the same time, so I've gotta assume that both substitutions were simply to give some playing time to the bench players and to give an inning of rest to a pair of the hardest-working Jays.
ayjackson - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#215248) #
Litsch can't come off the DL until June 3 at the earliest, so if Rzep definitely had the inside track.
Dave Till - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#215249) #
The Jays' lineup like a laboratory experiment, as dreamed up by some sadistic mad scientist: what happens if you develop an entire lineup full of Joe Carter clones? "Igor! I've created another one! Put him at, um... third base this time!"

The lesson, if there is one, is this: the easiest way to score runs in a hurry is to get a dude or two on base and then launch a Big Fly. (Who needs inside baseball? John McGraw is long dead.)

You know who Fred Lewis reminds me of? Shannon Stewart - back when Stewart was good, I mean. Lewis has a bit more pop, and has a functional throwing arm; Stewart had more speed. But they're the same type of player: lots of up the gap doubles, good speed on the bases and in the field, occasional suboptimal routes to fly balls.

Of course, the Jays aren't going to contend, even though they're not that far back of the Yankees. They have yet to play their AL East rivals much, and their usual approach to playing a divisional rival is to submit meekly. But, considering we were half expecting them to be where Baltimore is now, this is much, much better than expected. They're a fun team to watch, and they seem to be enjoying themselves this year.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#215250) #
what happens if you develop an entire lineup full of Joe Carter clones? "Igor! I've created another one! Put him at, um... third base this time!"

Coming to a theater near you: "Frankenthopoulos". It's funny because Joe Carter is exactly who I was thinking of.  

In fairness, the club did hit a few line drive singles today (what were they thinking?  don't they know how hard it is to hit a line drive out of the park??).  A double is a home run that you miss narrowly. 
tstaddon - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#215251) #
I was at the game today and on the Wells play, Punto faked that he had the ball in his glove, between Wells' foot and third base. Looked like Vernon stayed put because he was incredulous, thinking he was out.
earlweaverfan - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#215253) #
So I was not very happy about the reason why EE got to return to his position at third, shifting Bautista to the OF.  But maybe, a few starts at third with Bautista also playing in the same lineup will help to make the comparison more har-edged when the time comes to bring Snider back.  This decision will turn out to be one of the more pivotal choices facing the Jays management this year.  IMO:
  1. Snider will be returned to full time in the outfield, whatever else happens.  They see him as a big part of the future; he was hitting well in the days leading up to his injury, he will get back in there asap
  2. Now it gets more tricky - Cito has been heard to say in past something like:  "You shouldn''t lose your regular job just  by being injured".  This would suggest that EE gets to hang on to his 3B position
  3. At the same time, Cito hearts Jose B and given what he has been producing, what's not to like?
So, my best guess - and it is a tough one - is that either EE underperforms in the next few days compared to what Bautista delivers in the same stretch of games (and today that did NOT happpen) or that Cito finally moves to a system where some mix of players like Bautista, Ecarnacion, Snider, and Lind move to 5-6 games out of 7, so that the four of them share three positions (OF, 3B, DH).  If one or more of them is seen to be an adequate 1Bman, then Overbay might be folded into the mix, so that five players share four positions.

Oh, and by year end?  My prediction is that Bautista, if given at least 5 games a week, will be batting at or above .250/.325/550 with >30 HR and >100 RBIs.  So yes, that means he is for real.  My other prediction is that if someone comes calling for a 3Bman, the Jays will be much more interested in trading Encarncion, assuming that he appears to other teams to be worth something.  While JB may not be outstanding defensively, he appears to be significantly better than EE.

scottt - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#215254) #
Jays face Fister tomorrow. He pitches to contact and rely on ground ball defense to amazing results so far. Should be interesting.
bmy1 - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#215255) #
Shawn Green and Joe Carter. Carter did it with the Indians. Green did with the Jays.
bmy1 - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#215256) #
Oh crap forgot about Jose Cruz Jr.! LOL blast from the past
Alex Obal - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 05:46 PM EDT (#215257) #
They have never hesitated to put Bautista at 3B in any game, and to keep him there throughout the whole game -- in fact they seem eager to play him at 3B except when he is needed in the outfield or when they feel obliged to give playing time to EE. Since I generally trust the assessments of the Jays managers/coaches, I'd say Bautista's defensive abilities are adequate at least.

But in Blue Jays franchise history, nobody has ever started at third base ahead of a healthy Edwin Encarnacion. He has never DH'd, pinch hit, been pinch hit for. He has been substituted for twice, but both times, it was due to injury. Therefore, Encarnacion is adequate or better in the field.
Alex Obal - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#215258) #
(In case this didn't speak for itself, I do totally agree with the conclusion. Bautista is awesome, fields third competently, and should continue to play everyday.)
greenfrog - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#215259) #
I like Bautista, and love that he's having such a great season, but I expect him to come back to earth. If the Jays can deal him for a strong prospect or two at the deadline, they should make the deal.
uglyone - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#215261) #
and while 2012 is probably the more reasonable target date for contention, it's not out of the question that the collective growth of the young core and perhaps a dip into the free agent market could lead to a somewhat competitive team as early as next year.

maybe I'm just batpoop crazy, but this team sure is doing a good job pretending to be  "somewhat competitive" right now, and that's with a whole lotta nothing contributions from many of our best players and best prospects.


uglyone - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#215262) #
and I don't get the problem picking between EE and Bautista.

the obvious guy to sit is the 33 year old Overbay. I'm sure both EE and Bautista can field 1B just fine.

Magpie - Tuesday, May 18 2010 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#215263) #
One possible reason to take Bautista seriously as a late bloomer is his twisted career path to this point, which includes several incidents that certainly didn't help his development.

He was drafted by the Pirates in 1980 out of community college at age 20, and spent the next two years working his way up through A ball - the NY-Penn League and the Sally League. He played quite well, and seemed to be coming along quite nicely.

Alas, in his third year as a pro (Carolina League) he broke his hand and missed about three months. The Pirates tried to get through the winter of 2003-2004 without adding him to the 40 man roster, but the Orioles took him in the Rule 5 draft.

Bautista made the team and broke training camp in 2004 on the Orioles bench. He got just 11 ABs over the first two months. The Orioles tried to sneak him through waivers. Tampa Bay claimed him, so he went and sat on their bench for a few weeks. Tampa then traded him to KC, where he sat on their bench for a month, before being traded to Mets who instantly flipped him back to the Pirates. He spent all of 2004 in the majors, and got a total of just 88 ABs for the four different teams he played for.

In 2005, he went back to the Eastern League to get his career back on track - he was promoted to AAA in late August, and joined the Pirates for the final two weeks of the season.

He started 2006 in AAA, was promoted to Pittsburgh in May, and spent most of the next three years playing fairly regularly for the Pirates. He had another hand injury in 2007 that sent him to the DL. Finally, he was traded to the Jays in August 2008, where he spent most of the next year caddying for Scott Rolen.

It's a strange path, and the two hand injuries couldn't have helped.
braden - Wednesday, May 19 2010 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#215264) #
He was drafted by the Pirates in 1980 out of community college at age 20

I get what you're saying but there just aren't that many guys who have peaked at age 50.
TamRa - Wednesday, May 19 2010 @ 12:57 AM EDT (#215265) #
On Bautista -

is he having a career year? pretty much certainly.

Is this the "new normal"? Not remotely, he's outhomering people like Pujols and Howard over the last 300 at bats or so which is, at a bare minimum, over twice as prolific as even a "blossomed" Bautista should hit.

3B? I'd go with Encarnacion and trade on Bautista's versitility. Developing him as a well regarded defensive 3B doesn't increase his value that much when he has another, equally valuable, trait now - the ability to play several different positions. that ability works to the favor of guys like Zobrist, Figgins, Polanco, and others over the years.

Keep him or try to deal him? Well, I'd be open to dealing both JB and EE. but on the subject of Bautista, we're gambling that he's suddenly turned into a guy who's going to not just hit 30 HR but do it more than once. Take a look at his neighbor on the leader boards - anyone here up for making a bid for Wigginton on the basis of his sudden power bat? Anyone who is - are you expecting the current production to continue if you acquire him and you're just gonna pencil him into the 4 or 5 hole in the order?

Of course not. Or take a look at what Zobrist himself is doing right now. Nope, from where I sit the odds of a dramatic regression are FAR higher than that Bautista turns into a guy who regularly produce a .780+ OPS over the next, shall we say, three years or so.

That's not to say it couldn't happen - and i wouldn't just give him away for scraps at this point by any means - but if I get a legitimate young prospect for him, I'd sell.

Put another way - if I could trade him stright up for Alex Gordon, I'd probably do it.

On the rotation-


IMO, it's an almost no-doubter (and i wrote on this before tonight's unfortunate events) - Zep will complete his rehab assignment and be outrighted to the Vegas roster, when Litsch completes his rehab he'll rejoin the rotation in Eveland's turn - probably June 10 at TB.

Part of the consideration is that the Jays have 3 off days in 2 weeks begining May 27 and 2 more later in June.that makes it a bit tricky to switch out starters without someone getting more than five days rest.

As far as folks considering Cecil on shakey ground - i for one will need a hell of a lot more than one bad start to make me forget may 3. I think that's likely true for the jays as well.

they've also shown a strong commitment to developing Morrow as a starter. I fully expect it will likely take an injury (or a damned surprising trade) to get Zep into the starting rotation anytime before August.





Magpie - Wednesday, May 19 2010 @ 01:53 AM EDT (#215267) #
I get what you're saying but there just aren't that many guys who have peaked at age 50.

Uh, Julio Franco?

Yup, Bautista was born in 1980 (doubtless the line in the Media Guide I was looking at!) and drafted in 2000.
bpoz - Wednesday, May 19 2010 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#215273) #
Well 25% of the season is over. NYY and TB should be satisfied with their record. Bos must be getting a little scared. Tor is not out of it BUT are we there yet? A few other teams may be starting to get scared if they had expectations like maybe both Chicago teams, Brewers, Mariners and Mets. I don't think I would believe in the Jays even if we moved into 2nd soon ( we win 5 of 6 and NYY or TB loses 5 of 6). Magpie I liked your writeup on Bautista, I looked at his ML history (10%+BB)and pretty good power. I wonder can we afford not to trade our surprisingly successful players like Bautista, A Gon, Buck and the top of our pen guys if we received offers starting now. We would probably be receiving players that would be of no immediate help to the big club. With the schedule getting tough if we weakened ourselves and then lost many fans would be upset. Not good for PR. Somebody called Wilner's Jays talk suggesting we trade for Cliff Lee at the deadline. So some fans believe this team is a contender. I know anything can happen !! Bos continues to under perform, injuries or something happens to NYY and TB. If we weakened the team "at any time this year" through trades will the players lose faith? Lyle Overbey and all our trading chips have two and a half months to put up some big numbers before the trading deadline. If healthy Hill, Lind and EE (for sure?) have to do better. Just about everything is surprising me because the production and non-production is coming from unexpected sources.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, May 19 2010 @ 11:42 AM EDT (#215275) #
I get what you're saying but there just aren't that many guys who have peaked at age 50.

I believe in Jamie Moyer.
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