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There was a split on the farm last night, with the middle two affiliates losing while Las Vegas and Lansing won their games. Las Vegas was powered by the top of their lineup and patience, while Lansing made their few opportunities count. Meanwhile, New Hampshire and Dunedin could not get the big hit and combined to strand 27 runners on base.

Las Vegas 13 @ Reno 7Boxscore

Las Vegas lead 3-1 after 5 innings and then gave up 5 runs to fall behind 6-3. However, these runs demanded answers and the 51s scored ten over the eighth and ninth innings to secure a 13-6 victory. Brad Mills started and, hoping to get his season back on track, went 5.1 innings. He walked four and gave up six hits, but Reno only pushed across three runs, two earned. David Purcey entered in relief and threw 30 pitches over 1.2 innings. He threw 21 of them for strikes and prevented his inherited runner from scoring. However, Purcey then gave up three in the next inning on three hits and a walk, but wound up with a cheap victory. Merkin Valdez managed to pitch a scoreless eighth and Jeremy Accardo pitched the ninth, surrendering one run.

Chris Aguila and Jarret Hoffpauir set the table for the offence, as Aguial reached based in 5 of 6 plate appearances and Hoffpauir did the same in four. Each drew three walks, scored at least two runs and drove in at least one run. Brett Wallace had three hits, a walk, drove in two and scored twice. JP Arencibia didn’t get a hit, but walked three times, which makes 10 walks for the first four batters for those counting at home. This included four consecutive walks by the first four hitters off Clay Zavada during Las Vegas’s four-run eighth. The runs in the ninth came the old-fashioned way, as there was only one walk during the six-run inning. Jeremy Reed had a three-hit, 2-RBI performance and Jorge Padilla had a two-hit, 2 RBI game. Chris Lubanski was the only Las Vegas batter not to reach base on his own, as he went 0-6 and would have made three outs during the eighth and ninth innings alone were it not for a fielding error by the left fielder.

New Britain 9 @ Hampshire 3 - Boxscore

New Hampshire outhit New Britain, but still lost by six runs. New Hampshire’s 13-hit performance was driven by leadoff hitter Darin Mastroianni’s 3-for-5 night and Eric Thames going 4-for-4 in the third spot in the lineup. Not to be forgotten, Adam Calderone went 2-for-5 with a triple and all three hitters drew walks. The lack of runs could be partially explained by the collective 0-for-12 from the 4-5-6 hitters, including David Cooper’s 0-for-5. At the bottom of the lineup, Adam Loewen added a hit and Jonathan Diaz three more. If this wasn’t enough, the Fisher Cats drew 8 walks, including a pair by both Brad Emaus and Brian Jeroloman. Mastroianni stole his 13th base of the year and is now 13 of 14 in stolen base efforts, although he was also picked off yesterday. Despite getting 21 batters on base, New Hampshire only managed three runs, as they left 17 runners on and went 4-for-17 hitting with runners in scoring position.

Kyle Drabek took the loss to go to 4-2. Drabek allowed eight hits and two walks in 5.2 innings, but struck out 7. He gave up six runs, but five were unearned on two errors. Mastroianni’s first error of the year led to four unearned runs in the sixth, but this line might flatter Drabek slightly, as during the inning he failed to retire the sixth, eighth and ninth hitter, any of which would have ended the inning with zero or minimal damage. Neither Bubbie Buzachero nor Dumas Garcia has had a good first month and both continued to surrender damage yesterday, allowing runs during their relief appearances.

Tampa 10 @ Dunedin 2Boxscore

Andrew Liebel had a horrendous second inning, surrendering six runs, one unearned, to the Tampa Yankees. Liebel allowed four hits, hit two batters and threw a wild pitch in the inning. Liebel preserved and lasted another 3 innings, but he struggled with his control all day and walked four batters. The relief was only marginally better, as Frank Gailey allowed a run over 2 innings while striking out three. BJ LaMura allowed a run in the eighth with two strikeouts and Matt Daly allowed two in the ninth.

Dunedin pounded 10 hits off Tampa pitching, but the damage was done sporadically. The D-Jays could only cash in two runs, as the team went 1-for-12 when hitting with runners in scoring position and left ten men on base. Kevin Ahrens and Tyler Pastornicky had the only extra-base hits, as each knocked a double. It was Pastornicky’s ninth of the year and Ahrens’ first. Pastornicky, Raul Barron and Mike McDade each had two hits. Ahrens and Barron scored the runs on RBIs by Pastornicky and Sean Shoffit.

South Bend 2 @ Lansing 5Boxscore

Lansing made the most of their seven hits, scoring five runs off the South Bend pitching staff. More than half the hits came from Brad McElroy and Ryan Goins, who each had two hits and a run scored. Goins hit a two-run homer with two out in the fourth during a four-run frame for the Lugnuts. Outfielders Chris Hopkins and Eric Eiland each had a hit, a stolen base and a run. AJ Jimenez and Balbino Fuenmayor combined to go 0-8 with five strikeouts and Sean Ochinko went 0-4 and made an error.

Southaw Aaron Loup made his second start of the year, and continued his strong start to the year. However, he also failed to go deep in his eighth appearance for Lansing, lasting only 3 innings. Loup allowed one run on four hits and two walks to raise his ERA on the year to 1.74. He struck out five and picked-off two runners. Nestor Molina picked up the win with 3 innings of scoreless relief before Casey Beck twirled his fifth and sixth scoreless inning of the year. Lansing closer Steven Turnbull gave up a run in the ninth.

Three Stars:

3rd Star – Chris Aguila, 2-3, 2 R, RBI, 4 BB, 2 TB

2nd Star – Brett Wallace, 3-5, 2 R, 2B, 2 RBI, BB, 4 TB

1st Star – Eric Thames, 4-4, R, 2B, 2 RBI, BB, 5 TB

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85bluejay - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 08:52 AM EDT (#214694) #

Is there any news on when  Sierra & Jackson will be able to play - 2 players I was hoping for big seasons?

Can Eric Thames make it to AAA this season and ready to challenge for a job sometime in 2011?

 Cooper & Ahrens are establishing new levels of suckitude for 1st round picks - give those talent evaluators

a raise.

Mike Green - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 09:23 AM EDT (#214695) #
Thomas, Purcey got the win for Las Vegas, FWIW.

Hoffpauir now has a 3/16/1 HR/W/K rate in over 100 PAs.  He always has had very good contact skills, but this is something else again.  It's one thing to hit 10 HRs in 100 PAs in the PCL.  There are some mediocre pitchers and some favourable environments there, which make that much, much easier to do.  But striking out only once while going long into counts (to draw all those walks) is very tough.  There are a significant number of major league quality pitchers who the 51s have faced, and to strike out only once reflects a current ability that I think would be transferable to the Show. 

He has been moved to third base more or less permanently, so it seems like the organization is perhaps thinking the same thing. 



MatO - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 09:51 AM EDT (#214696) #
If Thames keeps this up then I suspect a move to LV after the All-Star break would make sense.  Right now he just need to play.  He's missed more games than he's played as a pro.  He doesn't even have a full minor league season worth of games under his belt.
cybercavalier - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#214702) #
But striking out only once while going long into counts (to draw all those walks) is very tough.  There are a significant number of major league quality pitchers who the 51s have faced, and to strike out only once reflects a current ability that I think would be transferable to the Show. He has been moved to third base more or less permanently, so it seems like the organization is perhaps thinking the same thing.

I think there are other MLB teams in need of second baseman having good contact skills and plate discipline. The New York Mets is one I can think of.
cybercavalier - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#214703) #
Interestingly, the Mets can get Jarrett from us and Micah Hoffpauir from the Cubs AAA to improve their right side of the infield. Personally, I think Micah is blocked on his path to MLB at first base.

Free the Hoffpauir Cousin Union. LOL
stevieboy22 - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#214707) #
Wasn't the story on Thames that he would have been a 1st round pick if it weren't for his injury problems? A hamstring or something?

It looks like the Jays might have two outfielders to consider for September call ups in Thames and Lubanski...

jgadfly - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 01:02 PM EDT (#214708) #
With Vernon Wells as the Jays centrefield fixture for the near distant future and Kenny Wilson as the heir-apparent should Mastroianni be given time playing the infield to groom him to be a super-sub ?     I believe he was drafted as a 2nd baseman so he has some college experience as an infielder.   Does anyone know whether his arm is adequate enough to play 3rd/SS ?  ... I would imagine his speed would translate into adequate range .
jgadfly - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#214710) #
Perhaps I should have typed "Kenny Wilson/Jake Marisnick" as heir-apparent to Vernon Wells'  centrefield . 
Gerry - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#214711) #

I asked Dick Scott about Mastroianni last October and here is what he said:

DS: He is the hardest worker we have, or at least top three.  The big thing he had when he came into the organization was his speed.  We have guys who can run but we don't have anyone who gets up running as quickly as he does.  He is explosive, he came in as a second baseman and he wasn't very good over there at second.  We were looking at him saying he fights everything on the ground, he has trouble turning double plays.  He is the type of guy that goes 100 mph everything he does and that doesn't always work well when you're in the infield so we decided to move him to the outfield, let him use his legs.  He plays centre field and has done a good job there, he has an adequate throwing arm.  When he steals bases he puts a lot of pressure on the defense.  I don't know what he is going to be down the road but I will tell you this he will work as hard as anyone to get there and I wouldn't bet against him.

Based on that description I wouldn't count on seeing mastroianni in the infield soon.  Usually that transition works the other way, an infielder can play outfield.  It is harder to make it work the other way and Mastroianni hasn't shown he can play infield as a professional.

MatO - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#214713) #
Wison and Marasnick are a long way from being heir apparents to anything.
uglyone - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 02:13 PM EDT (#214714) #

The question on everyone's lips should be: "Can Fred Lewis play a quality defensive CF?"

If so:  CF Lewis, RF Wells, LF Snider looks pret-ty good to me,

ayjackson - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#214718) #
Is anybody else thinking that Bradley Emaus is MLB ready?  That 5% K ratio over 100 plate appearances is pretty good company for the 1.000+ OPS.  I can see that Hoffpauir, EE, Bautista and McCoy are all above him on the depth chart, but I wonder if we'll get a look this year.  He's done well in two spring trainings and faired well despite a horrific June last year in Manchester.
Mike Green - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#214720) #
I like Thames and Emaus, but their home/road splits are extreme so far.  If they continue mashing, I'd like to see them get moved to Las Vegas in mid-year (with Hoffpauir ideally coming to Toronto) and if they do well there, then a September cup of coffee might be an idea. 
China fan - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#214722) #
Any discussion of a possible major-league promotion for Hoffpauir or Emaus or Thames has to be coupled with a discussion of how they would be used in Toronto.  There's little point in promoting them unless there's a full-time role for them. (September would be a different situation, of course.)  Ruiz and McCoy are getting very little playing time in Toronto.  Why would Hoffpauir be any different?   Based on their minor-league records, or even their 2008 and 2009 records, there's little evidence that Hoffpauir is vastly superior to McCoy, so it's hard to imagine that Hoffpauir would get much more playing time than McCoy is currently getting (unless 3B or 2B suddenly becomes available because of injury or trade).  How much value would Hoffpauir be to the Jays if he's playing once a week?  And it's difficult to build any momentum if you're playing only occasionally.   I would argue that Jose Bautista and Fred Lewis have improved their performances in 2010 because they were given regular playing time -- their numbers would be worse if they were once-a-weekers.  I love Hoffpauir's numbers in 2010, but I worry that he would be wasted on the Toronto bench.
Mike Green - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#214724) #
You'd want to give Hoffpauir or Emaus more than once a week play.  We'll see where the club is when July 1 first rolls around.
China fan - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#214727) #
 But who could conceivably be gone by July 1 to make room for a regular lineup slot for Hoffpauir?   Barring an unexpected injury, I don't see it.  Let's say Encarnacion is dumped -- there would still be Bautista for 3B and he has more power and flexibility than Hoffpauir.  If Overbay is traded, he's more likely to be replaced by Wallace than by Hoffpauir.  I suppose 3B could become vacant if Bautista is shifted to the outfield -- but Snider and Lewis have dramatically improved in recent weeks, so why would Bautista be needed in the outfield?   I just find it hard to imagine the scenario that creates a regular gig for Hoffpauir, unless there is a whole-sale dumping of several veterans from the team in July.
Mike Green - Thursday, May 06 2010 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#214733) #
Bautista can play 1B/3B and both corner OF slots.  He could get plenty of work even if Hoffpauir played 5 games of every 7.  If Hoffpauir continues to hit the way he has been, you want to find out whether he can be your third baseman for the next 3-4 years, even if the odds are stacked against him because he turns 27 next month.  The same goes for Emaus, but he is younger and is at double A. 
China fan - Friday, May 07 2010 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#214738) #

I don't want to belabour the point, because ultimately I'd love it if Hoffpauir can translate his 2010 success into major-league success, but I'm just trying to anticipate how the Jays will assess the situation.  I think they'll look at it and decide that Hoffpauir shouldn't be playing 5 games of 7 because that would mean that he's taking away a lot of at-bats from Bautista, Snider and Lewis.   I think the Jays are high on Bautista because they like his power, his versatility and his defensive skills.  And let's face it, Bautista is a proven major-leaguer, whereas Hoffpauir is not -- and Hoffpauir is only a couple years younger than Bautista.  And obviously the Jays don't want to take away any playing time from Snider, who needs all the major-league experience he can get.  And Lewis has been a pleasant surprise, so why would the Jays want to reduce his playing time? 

I can imagine only one scenario (besides injury) that might get Hoffpauir some playing time:  if Overbay is traded and Wallace is deemed to be not ready for the majors.  In that scenario, Bautista might get some playing time at 1B, which could open up an occasional vacancy at 3B.  But even then, the Jays might prefer to let McCoy and McDonald handle the occasional 3B slot, while promoting instead someone like Lubanski who can help out in the outfield.

The Jays don't have a track record of promoting veteran minor-leaguers "just to see what we've got."   Look at Inglett and Ruiz -- they had stellar records in the minors yet Inglett was promoted only as an injury replacement and Ruiz is still struggling to get any playing time. This may or may not be the best policy, but that's the Jays track record, like it or not.

Are we going to get a new thread for the latest Jays victory?  What do people think about Eveland?  Do we have to reassess the conventional wisdom that Eveland is the weak link in the rotation?

 

bpoz - Friday, May 07 2010 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#214740) #
I guess Hoffpauir can help out. Jays have a 5 game win streak but Bsox, TB and Yanks are on 4 game win streaks. I guess we all believe that we will not keep up. So to improve for 2011, who are our core 2011 position players. IMO V Wells, A Hill, A Lind, T Snider and I hope 2 rookies arrive in JPA and B Wallace. If they all qualify as core players in the opinions of Batters Box contributers and also in the opinion of Wilner and most importantly AA then I suggest we add 2 more. Any 2 like T Snider, A Jackson (DET) or J Heyward (ATL), but since they are all in the majors I would be shocked if AA managed to do it. However IMO 2 like JPA and B Wallace I think can be done by AA. I don't know other teams prospects much at all, that is why I mention Jays prospects names. Are all 5 of the above close to equal if they were not yet in the majors but still close (AAA) like that D Brown of the Phillies. Could the Jays get 1 of this type for 1) One of Marcum, Romero, Morrow or Cecil Plus 2) Any current reliever on the big team plus 3) Another prospect (solid but not so great). This proposal is valuable but is it too much or too little? We still have Eveland (5) and Zep, Mills and Litch to replace whomever was traded. Add the still rich pitching that is very close in Mills, Drabek and maybe Stewart and Alvarez and we are still good. Then figure out some way to trade for the 2nd and 8th core player needed. So now for 2011 we have proven/potential talent right? Too inexperienced to compete with AL East u know who? Is this reasonable or wishful thinking?
Mike Green - Friday, May 07 2010 @ 11:09 AM EDT (#214741) #
Hoffpauir went 0-4 with a strikeout last night.  He's obviously a Buck in the making. :)
TamRa - Friday, May 07 2010 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#214755) #
As Wilner rightly observed, adding a inexperienced (in the major leagues) player to this time is an exercise in futility. You are simply changing which guy rots on the bench as Ruiz, Valdez, and to an extent McCoy have.

Hoffpauir has no chance at significant playing time in the majors. if injuries opened up any spot in the infield you'd simply see a lot more of Johnny Mac as long as Cito is here.

We'll be damned fortunate if He doesn't underuse Wallace or JPA when they arive unless we take every other option away from him (Example: trade Buck and recall JPA and I wouldn't be surprised if Molina gets more at bats over the balance of the season than JPA does)

Now, looking to 2011 and beyond, here's the way I break it down:

Catcher - WILL be filled over the medium and long term by internal options. the Jays won't bring in any other unproven young player to supplant their own cadidates. No need for me to list them, we all know about this situation

First - Wallace will get EVERY chance to succeed and there won't be another serious candidate here unless he fails over a couple of seasons or more - something like Lind'srepeated opportunities. Anyone else who plays here over the next three seasons is a placeholder

Second - Hill. There's a minor possibility he would shift to third in a few years depending on what the farm producs but there's no use assuming that.

Short - placeholders until Adeny arrives (which IMO will be no later than mid-2011 and then he will get an extended chance to succeed. Don't look for another serious candidate before the low-minor guys like Pastornicky, Jackson, and Pierre start arriving in 2014 or so

Third - in play. If another major import is added on offense, it's almost certainly going to be here. Absent such an addition, you get stopgaps followed by Emaus getting a shot (but not as much rope as Wallace and Adeniy will get) followed at length by (IMO) Pierre. Whether or not there's an import depends on opportunity and, by the end of 2011, how much they think Emaus can contribute in the medium term.
All that said - here's a place where you might try to put together a package for Alex Gordon, or sniff around for a quality rookie who's blocked elsewhere.

Center - as long as Vernon is here, we might as well resign ourselves that he'll be in center. It's not impossible he'll shift in 2012 or after but we can't project based on that assumption.

Left/Right - Snider and someone. FLewis for now, and he might be there until a rookie arrives (Thames is probably at the front of that line for now, which would keep Snider in RF) and Sierra might ultimately be the guy.
That said, this is also a place where a significant offensive addition might be imported.

DH - Lind

In short, there are only two places in the offense where there's any real flexibility to add another prize player - third and corner outfield (with a tiny chance of adding a high-upside CF and shifting Wells)

As far as pitching goes, I think we can build a good-to-great staff from internal options for the forseeable future.




earlweaverfan - Friday, May 07 2010 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#214757) #
Agree strongly with this review of the only potential openings, but would value your opinion on one topic you touched on lightly.  At the start of the season, the one part of the team that was seen to be both stronger than it now appears to be, and also a source of candidates to trade, was the bullpen.  Assuming that Gregg, Camp and Roenicke appear to be keepers and that if no one trades to get Frasor, the Jays won't keep him, who are the prime internal candidates for upgrading the slots now filled by Frasor, Lewis, Downs (assuming he will not be re-signed or may be traded) and Janssen (if he does not recover his earlier form)?

Do you see one or more of the starting rotation competitors being an appealing switch?

Or who in the minors would be the strongest candidate to fill those shoes?

(I am discounting my dream trade of Frasor and Lubanski to the White Sox for Santos...)

uglyone - Friday, May 07 2010 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#214763) #

People whine way too much about Cito apparently not playing deserving players.

Which deserving players has he "let rot" since he's been back here? none.

The Kids? nope - despite his spotty track record, Cito has gone full-bore with Lind since the day he got here. Despite Snider's unimpressive performance as the youngest or second youngest hitter in baseball, Cito has still run him out there most every game.

The Interesting Previously Neglected Part-Time Players? nope. Cito has played the hell out of Bautista and Lewis, two "bench platoon players", and seems to be turning them into effective full-time starters.

Who exactly has stubborn old Cito neglected so badly that people are so jaded when it comes to whether he will give deserving players an opportunity?

subculture - Friday, May 07 2010 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#214765) #

Think folks are talking about Ruiz mostly.  I feel he should platoon with Overbay, and also be the DH once a week when Lind needs a blow.

I don't know if Cito would go for this, but I really liked how the lineup was run a few years back, when we had about 6/7 guys sharing 5 positions.  This gave everyone a routine day off, usually once a week, and against a pitcher they didn't match up well against.  It wasn't strictly platoon sharing either, as several guys played multiple positions.  I actually think this is a great way to keep players fresh, as well as evaluate some of the young guys and help them build confidence, optimize their learning curve etc...

The current lineup would accommodate this style very well. 

 

OF Wells, Lewis, Snider play 6/7 games in the OF.  Bautista/Lind fill-in those 3 games that the first 3 are sitting.
1B platoon Overbay / Ruiz. 
3B Bautista 3-4 days a week, EE or Hoffpauir share the rest
DH Lind 6/7 per week, Ruiz or another bench bat gets remaining day
2B / SS more traditional every day guys with McCoy and McDonald getting odd start, pinch-running assignments
C  Would be awesome to have a lefty bat here to platoon with Buck - hey maybe Molina could learn to bat left? ;)

Meant to put more details in but gotta run so continue later...

TamRa - Saturday, May 08 2010 @ 04:34 AM EDT (#214788) #
Which deserving players has he "let rot" since he's been back here?

"Deserving" is a relative term, which can easily become a self-fullfilling prophecy when a player is allowed to rust. Thing is, each of these players was good enough to beat out other players for the spot they had or have on the roster so in the eyes of the team, there is a presumption of "deserving" so one can't argue "well Cito didn't like his swing or his stuff"


Jeremy Accardo - two 8 day stretches of inactivity - hardly conducive to good pitching

Markin Valdez - no explanation necessary

Randy Ruiz - has appeared in 4 games in the last three weeks (technically 19 games) after doing poorly on a 13 at-bat trial run.

Mike McCoy - six at bats in the last 18 days (and that after hitting .286 in the 28 at bats he had until that point)

Josh Roenike - riding a streak of five inactive games (and Cito had a golden opportunity to let him finish the eigth tonight and used his "long reliever" to get ONE out instead)

Casey Janssen - has less than 2 IP in 2 appearances in the last two weeks

All that said, to be clear, I have a lot bigger complaints about "Stubborn Ol' Cito"  than this - I'm not even really faulting him in the case of marginal guys.

I'm just making a realistic observation that a guy like Huffpaur isn't going to get a fair chance to impress, even if Cito likes him (as he has spoken warmly of most of the guys listed above).

Now, if the Jays deal Overbay and promote Wallace? Yeah, Wallace will probably play 1B most days...Wallace is a Prize prospect. but not Huffpauir.



TamRa - Saturday, May 08 2010 @ 04:46 AM EDT (#214789) #
Assuming that Gregg, Camp and Roenicke appear to be keepers and that if no one trades to get Frasor, the Jays won't keep him, who are the prime internal candidates for upgrading the slots now filled by Frasor, Lewis, Downs (assuming he will not be re-signed or may be traded) and Janssen (if he does not recover his earlier form)?

I'll start by amending your remarks to say that i consider Janssen a "keeper" as well, that ONE bad appearance not withstanding.

Lewis, IMO, is a placeholder - candidates for that spot are Carlson (one assumes he'll round into form), Tallet (upon his return, the most likely candidate), Eveland (if demoted from the rotation and not dealt), and Purcey (the eternal if)

The same list of course applies re Downs, with Lewis added as a b list possibility.

Frasor would of course seem to be most obviously replaced by Accardo or Valdez, though it's difficult to say in what sense they would be reliable.

One must remember though that if Frasor and Downs were dealt (theoretically) it's not like Accardo and Lewis become the set-up men. Rather, you'd see something more like Camp, Janssen or Roenicke and Carlson or Tallet in those roles and the less reliable sorts in the lower leverage situations.

All that said, the trio of Farquhar, Collins and Magnuson at N.H. are all projectable to the major league pen within the next year or so, plus starters who are squeezed out of the rotation become prime relief candidates including Richmond, Ray, and possibly even Mills.

I could postulate an opening day bullpen in 2011 as something like:

Gregg (though I really don't care to see those options picked up)
Janssen
Carlson
Roenicke
Eveland
Camp
Richmond

and a AAA pen of:

Purcey
Farquhar
Collins
Magnuson
Lewis
Hayhurst
Valdez

And with anyone on that second list capeable of stepping up to the major league squad (assuming health)


uglyone - Monday, May 10 2010 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#214837) #

Deserving" is a relative term, which can easily become a self-fullfilling prophecy when a player is allowed to rust. Thing is, each of these players was good enough to beat out other players for the spot they had or have on the roster so in the eyes of the team, there is a presumption of "deserving" so one can't argue "well Cito didn't like his swing or his stuff"

No, it's not really a relative term. "Deserving" means to do something - anything - to deserve more opportunity than was received.

And "Deserving" definitely means more than "Will Rain thinks he deserved more opportunity because of some isolated stat split 3 years ago".

Jeremy Accardo - two 8 day stretches of inactivity - hardly conducive to good pitching

Jeremy Accardo has done nothing to earn an opportunity in the last two years. Not in the minors, not in the majors, not in spring training. He didn't deserve to even crack the team out of camp - and we paid this year in the standings already for giving this undeserving player MORE opportunity than he ever deserved.


Markin Valdez - no explanation necessary

Merkin Valdez has done nothing to earn an opportunity - EVER. Nowhere. Nothing. He stinks. He never deserved to make this team, and we already gave him more opportunity than he ever deserved.

 

Randy Ruiz - has appeared in 4 games in the last three weeks (technically 19 games) after doing poorly on a 13 at-bat trial run.

Cito Gaston has given 32 year old careeer minor leaguer Randy Ruiz more opportunity than Ruiz has ever had in his career, ever. Cito has played him more than any MLB manager ever has. This year, Cito loudly and publicly made a personal  committme to give Overbay a chance to play every day, and to reestablish himself as an every day player - Overbay has stunk, and now barely more than a month into the season, Cito has now publcicly stated that he intends to get Randy regular at bats from now on. But, remember, last year Cito Gaston gave Ruiz the biggest opportunity of his career - and Cito is the only MLB manager to give Randy Ruiz an opening day roster spot.

Mike McCoy - six at bats in the last 18 days (and that after hitting .286 in the 28 at bats he had until that point)

29 year old career minor leaguer Mike McCoy is being given the biggest opportunity of his playing career by Cito Gaston. And with 34ab and additional pinch running and fielding opportunities, is being given every opportunity a bench player can expect on any team.

Josh Roenike - riding a streak of five inactive games (and Cito had a golden opportunity to let him finish the eigth tonight and used his "long reliever" to get ONE out instead)

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but our starters have been awesome, and we haven't needed to go deep into our 'pen. Roenicke has been used 4 times in the 10 days or so he's been on the roster. That is the normal workload for a back of the bullpen reliever.  As is a 5-game break.


Casey Janssen - has less than 2 IP in 2 appearances in the last two weeks

Again, our starters have been awesome, so the bullpen has not been hard pressed. Even then, Janssen has been getting plenty of work this year - and Cito has no reason to go to Janssen if everyone else is rested and he feels others are a better option.

 

Cito has been more than fair with all of these players - giving them all the opportunity they deserve and more in many cases.

 

All that said, to be clear, I have a lot bigger complaints about "Stubborn Ol' Cito"  than this - I'm not even really faulting him in the case of marginal guys.

I'm just making a realistic observation that a guy like Huffpaur isn't going to get a fair chance to impress, even if Cito likes him (as he has spoken warmly of most of the guys listed above).

Now, if the Jays deal Overbay and promote Wallace? Yeah, Wallace will probably play 1B most days...Wallace is a Prize prospect. but not Huffpauir.

 

Even then, I don't see your complaint.

Since his return, we've seen Cito give career minor leaguers like Inglett, McCoy, Ruiz, and Chavez the biggest playing opportunites of their careers.

Since his return, we've seen Cito give career bench players like Scutaro, Bautista, and Lewis the biggest biggesst opportunities of their careers.

If anything, Cito's recent performance is the exact opposite of what you're suggesting, and a player like Hoffpauir is MORE likely to get a significant opportunity here under Cito than anywhere else.

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