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MLB.com released its Top 50 list of the best minor league prospects and two members of the Jays not only made the top 50 but the top 17.  See, I'll never lead you astray!




 

MLB.com's #16 prospect 3B Brett Wallace and #17 prospect RHP Kyle Drabek.


That's a role reversal from Baseball America's Top 10 Jays prospects list and Baseball Prospectus' Top 11 as each of them rated Drabek number one and Wallace number two.  Despite their lofty rankings, Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos maintains Drabek and Wallace will not be rushed to Baseball North.

"It's easy for us to be short-sighted just to want to get these guys up here to show the fans how exciting they are, but really we have a plan in place. When they do get up here, it's for them to stay. We want to make sure we get the development done. We don't need to rush. This is all about the long-term plan, building a core and developing these guys the right way."

Atlanta outfielder Jason Heyward and Washington pitcher Stephen Strasburg were MLB.com's top two prospects.  Blue Jay for a millisecond Michael Taylor, the outfielder dealt to Oakland for Wallace in the Roy Halladay deal, was number 35 on the list.  Philly outfielder Domonic Brown, targeted by the Jays during the Doc trade talks, was rated 14th.  Canadian lefty Phillipe Aumont, also rumoured to be heading to Toronto before winding up with the Phillies, came in at number 47 while fellow Canuck and infielder Brett Lawrie of the Milwaukee Brewers was ranked 20th.  Yankees catcher Miguel Montero, also figuring into the Halladay trade rumours, was one spot ahead of Lawrie at number 19.  The complete top 50 list is right here.


In other minor league notes.....

 

  • The Auburn Citizen speaks with Doubledays manager Dennis Holmberg and Doubleday alumni Darin Mastroianni in advance of the annual Hot Stove and Silent Auction tonight.  Former Auburn hurler Alan Farina will also be in attendance.
  • Dirk Hayhurst talks to bluejays.com's Jordan Bastian about his new book.
  • The editors of Baseball America are holding an all-day chat today to celebrate the release of the bible, aka, the 2010 Prospects Handbook

  • Former Jay Joe Inglett has found a new home as he winds up with my favourite National League club.  
  • And from the "in case you missed it" department, ESPN's Tim Kurkjian breaks down the method to the madness of the Jays revamped scouting system.

That's all I got for today.  How 'bout them Raptors?  I won't mention that hockey team.

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rpriske - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 08:51 AM EST (#211438) #
When of my favourite things to read is an expert reminding us that Wallace is a better prospect than Taylor. I stand by my conviction that AA hasn't made a mistake yet (though the SS situation doesn't fill me with hope...)
Mike Green - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 11:55 AM EST (#211443) #
I must admit that having Wallace ranked ahead of Montero makes me scratch my head.  They both are likely to be first basemen, and Montero is clearly way ahead from a statistical perspective bearing in mind his age.  I also thought that scouts generally preferred him. 



Moe - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 11:58 AM EST (#211444) #
K. Law's prospect ranking is out. He has Wallace at 20 and Drabek at 40. He thinks Wallace is ready and that Drabek may have to move to the pen down the road (injury issues). Taylor is at 24 and D. Brown at 14 (the other player mentioned in the Halladay discussion).
Oh, and Chapman is 16.

Thomas - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 12:02 PM EST (#211445) #
MLB.com's rankings have a few questionable selections or orderings. It's an interesting list to look at, but it's not the same as BA, Law or Sickels.
Mike Green - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 01:29 PM EST (#211447) #
Here is your image of the day.  How many days until spring training?
damos - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 01:47 PM EST (#211449) #
Law has never been as high on Drabek as other evaluators have.
I believe d'Arnaud also made the list @ #99.

Moe - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 02:47 PM EST (#211450) #
Others of interest:
10 - Jesus Montero
55 - Zach Stewart
99 - Travis d'Arnaud

He sounds more positive on Stewart than on DRabek (good No. 2, top-shelf reliever). I suppose that's the injury concern.

And on d'Arnaud : "He's a few years off but has promise as an offensive catcher with good defensive skills, a more complete player than the Jays' other main catching prospect, J.P. Arencibia."
Wildrose - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 05:36 PM EST (#211452) #
Bauxite Marc Hulet's Blue Jays draft review.
Thomas - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 06:31 PM EST (#211453) #
ESPN has released the first half of it's Sunday Night Baseball schedule. No, the Jays aren't on, but you should have never expected that, as they may have the longest streak of not being on the program. This year will feature the KC Royals on Sunday Night Baseball for the first time since 1996 when they visit Anaheim on July 4.

However, if you thought that was a change of pace, you're wrong. Of the first eight games announced, there are 4 appearances by the Mets, 3 by the Yankees, two by the Red Sox, Phillies, Brewers and Cardinals and one by Atlanta. The third, fourth and fifth Sunday Night games of the year feature the mediocre Mets. The only bright spot is that we may get a chance to see Doc on Sunday Night Baseball against Milwaukee or the Mets.
greenfrog - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 06:54 PM EST (#211454) #
Those are some pretty dismal drafts, although the Jays did pick up a few interesting players in the later rounds. It's going to take time to rebuild this organization. No wonder AA was in on Chapman.
Ron - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 07:27 PM EST (#211455) #
It’s do or die time for Justin Jackson and Kevin Ahrens. If these guys are going to become contributors at the Major League Level we need to see a big jump in performance for both players this year. I hate to write off players at a young age, but if both players repeat their 2009 level of production in 2010, I’m ready to kick both off the prospect wagon.

 

brent - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 10:09 PM EST (#211456) #
I would disagree with that. They were already rushed a little. If they have a poor season, it means they are definitely off the fast track of development. Look at Lind or Romero who came a little slower. The Jays will now have their best years under control. Who wants to have Snider as a free agent at the agent of 27 or 28? The most important thing for these players is staying healthy and getting their at bats in. 
Mike Forbes - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 11:53 PM EST (#211458) #
Not sure if it's been posted, but the Jays have had internal discussions about Johnny Damon as per mlbtraderumors.com. He'd be an excellent leader for the young guys and a valuable leadoff hitter/trade chip later on... Only if he grows his hair/beard back out, of course.
Ron - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 12:38 AM EST (#211461) #

I would disagree with that. They were already rushed a little. If they have a poor season, it means they are definitely off the fast track of development. Look at Lind or Romero who came a little slower. The Jays will now have their best years under control. Who wants to have Snider as a free agent at the agent of 27 or 28? The most important thing for these players is staying healthy and getting their at bats in.

Assuming Jackson and Ahrens stay healthy in 2010, both guys would have received over 1200+ AB’s to show what they could do at the plate. If they repeat their 2009 performance, you’re not going to find too many players that went on to a meaningful career in the majors after such a poor start. Heck I did a little bit of digging and the only name I could find was John McDonald. Internally I don’t think anybody views Ahrens as the future starting 3B although there might be a little bit of hope left for Jackson as a future starting SS. It’s a big year for both players and I’ll be rooting for them.

Thomas - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 12:50 AM EST (#211462) #
Baseball Prospectus has released their 2010 projected standings. They have the Blue Jays finishing last in the AL East at 71-91 and with the third-worst record in baseball. They have the Yankees third and, perhaps most interestingly, the Angels last in the AL West.
Ron - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 12:59 AM EST (#211463) #
I know Cito Gaston isn't that popular among the citizens of this site so you probably would have laughed if you attended tonight's season ticket holder Q+A. He said the Jays could have as many as seven 25 HR guys on the club. He also wants to get back to the basics (ie. bunting, stealing bases, hit+run) and would like to see Delgado come back to the team. Cito also needs to do a better job of staying in touch with AA because he didn't even know Brandon Morrow's role (as a starter) had already been decided.
Richard S.S. - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 04:40 AM EST (#211464) #
Johnny Damon as leadoff hitter is an intriguing idea worth discussing.   Who's our leadoff hitter now?   Travis Snider is young enough to learn to be a good RF.   Jose Bautista is supposed to be Primary 3B Backup, Emergency 1B & CF Backup, Primary RF Backup.   Damon is as good-ish a defender as we presently have at that position (although we would expect Snider to get better, if in left).   At present we have Buck, Gonzales and Morrow as our only new faces this year, a few more wouldn't hurt.   Having Ruiz and/or Dopirak up, or Damon in, is not an easy decision.   I, for one, would like to see Damon here - one year plus option, (best value for future purposes).
TamRa - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 06:17 AM EST (#211465) #
Damon is no great shakes on defense but I think we lose more runs with JB as a full time lead-off hitter than we do with Damon playing LF.

I'd been looking longingly at him but assumed the Jays would never go there.

He's worth the cost just for the potential to trade him at the deadline or collect two draft picks for him if he leaves through free agency.

I'm all for it.

Id be for it even if we had options to keep him so long as declining the option didn't forego the chance to offer arb and get the picks.


Ryan Day - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 09:30 AM EST (#211468) #

Damon would be interesting, though he'd do ugly things to outfield defence. On the other hand, while I like Bautista as a bench player - versatile, mashes lefties - I really don't think he should be the full-time right-fielder or leadoff hitter. You could mix & match defence and righties/lefties depending on the situation.

Of course, I don't know how likely Damon would be to come to Toronto after playing in New York & Boston. And he's still represented by Scott Boras, so I don't know how much of a bargain you're going to get.

Mike Green - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 09:45 AM EST (#211469) #
The objective indicators have Damon as a slightly above-average defender in left-field over the last 3 years.  CHONE has him projected as +7 in the field for this year; I'll guess that he is right around level for 2010 when all is said and done.

He's worth $7-$8 million to some club, but the Jays are not at the right point in the cycle for a player like him.  However, if he is available at $3-$4 million and he is willing to come, it's something that you might do anyway.  "Good quality, good value" is hard to pass up, even if it makes it less likely that Wells is moved to a corner as he ought to be.

Matthew E - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 10:33 AM EST (#211471) #
Baseball Prospectus has released their 2010 projected standings. They have the Blue Jays finishing last in the AL East at 71-91 and with the third-worst record in baseball.

Which is, to me, ridiculous.

I mean, 71-91 is not out of the question, although I happen to think that the Jays can do better than that. But the Orioles are going to have to prove to me that they can do better than that.

And, most of all... 71 wins is third worst in baseball? Come on. When does that ever happen? MLB doesn't have that kind of parity. What it looks like to me is that their system predicts the predictable, which clusters everyone around the centre and doesn't produce outliers. But there will always be outliers.
Chuck - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 10:47 AM EST (#211473) #

The objective indicators have Damon as a slightly above-average defender in left-field over the last 3 years.

This off-season, Damon's defensive reputation has diminished to Pat Burrell level, which, of course, is absurd. Repeat something often enough and people will eventually believe it. Defensive reps are like "cancer in the clubhouse" reps, not easily shaken once webospherically entrenched.

Damon can't throw. That's obvious. But he can run and catch more proficiently than any of the team's existing corner outfielders.

Mike Green - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 11:00 AM EST (#211474) #
I don't know, Chuck.  Bautista pretty good defensively as a corner OF.  Not exactly graceful, mind you.  I agree with your general point however.

As for BP's projected standings showing the Jays with 71 wins and in 5th place, with 3 AL East teams over 90 wins, that looks pretty reasonable to me.  The third or fourth worst record should not be confused with the third or fourth worst team in an age of unbalanced schedules.  The AL East looks like it will be hellacious in 2010 and 2011.  The Jays could win 70 games each year, and actually be an average or even above average club.  How about this, there are two divisions in the AL East in 2010- the three contenders and the two-wait-til-next year clubs?  The O's do not seem to be playing to win in 2010, although if they get lucky at the start of the year, they could compete. 



electric carrot - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 11:38 AM EST (#211476) #
Oh boy .... Johnny Damon a blue jay.  I can't handle it.  I know this is just being emotional but I just don't ever want to see that guy wearing the old powder blue unis.  It just rankles me.  He's too much fun to hate.
Ryan Day - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 12:10 PM EST (#211477) #

The O's have some good young talent, but it doesn't always come together all at once. Only Jeremy Guthrie pitched more than 125 innings last year, and only two starters - together totalling 200 innings - with an ERA+ over 100.

They might break out and beat the Jays, but they might not. Since they haven't even won 80 games since 1997, I'll believe it when i see it.

Mike Green - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 12:28 PM EST (#211478) #
Well, they don't need to break out to beat the Jays.  Matusz for a full season in place of Jason Berken is large, as is the absence of Roy Halladay.  Not to mention Scutaro and Rolen. 

If the young talent coalesces, the O's will be in a pennant race.  It is much more likely that the O's talent will have its ups and downs, and that they end up with 75 wins or so.  We had these same discussions about the Rays a few years ago.  The O's aren't quite where the Rays were, but they've got a shot if they make a concerted effort for 2011.

christaylor - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 12:46 PM EST (#211479) #
I was OK with every AL east projection BP made, save one: TB. That they'll finish in 1st is bordering on the absurd.

Denoit - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 12:55 PM EST (#211480) #
Some good news coming from Jordan Bastains twitter. McGowan threw off a mound this morning with no setbacks. Lets all hope he is healhty. Big question is where do the Jays use him going forward. Obviously he would be a great arm in the rotation, but do you push the limits on his shoulder or hold him to under 100 innings/ year out of the bullpen?
Ryan Day - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 12:58 PM EST (#211481) #

Better prospects than Matusz have struggled in their first shot at the Majors. Young pitchers are unpredictable, which is a danger both the O's and Jays face; some bad luck or injuries could put either team in the cellar. They could both win anywhere from 60-80 games, depending on how things break

Both teams have some major wildcards - the Jays could also get a big boost if Vernon Wells and Shaun Marcum are healthy and effective, and Travis Snider figures out which pitches to swing at.

John Northey - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 01:05 PM EST (#211482) #
BP is fun sometimes although I take everything with a serious grain of salt.

The NL is projected to have no 90 game winners and just one 90 game loser (Pittsburgh).  The AL just 2 90 game losers (Jays and Royals) and 3 90 game winners (NY/Bos/Tampa) for a net of 3 winners and 3 losers in the majors.  For comparison in 2009 there were 7 90 game winners and 7 90 game losers.  6 winners in '08 vs 7 losers, 6 winners and 8 losers in '07 and so on.

Looking at the Jays audit page (tried seeing who and how much playing time they projected but don't list it unless you pay) I was caught by surprise by the teams defensive efficiency ranking.  25th in the majors.  This is odd (despite Wells/Rios/Lind/etc.) because in 2008 they were 3rd, 2007 3rd, 2006 10th, 2005 10th, 2004 15th, 2003 27th, 2002 18th .  Basically throughout JP's reign the Jays were working on getting stronger defensively (outside of 2003) up until last year when the defense went from one of the best to one of the worst.  Y'know, that might explain the two shortstops signed this winter.
Mike Green - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 01:24 PM EST (#211483) #
Wells, Rios and Encarnacion had a lot to do with the 2009 DER.  Rios was, according to most measures, a fine defensive outfielder until 2009.  I don't know what was up last year with him.  Moving from Rolen to Encarnacion is, of course, large, even if it lasts only 1/2 a season.
Gerry - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 01:42 PM EST (#211485) #

BA have a feature today, the 32nd team.  It has prospect reports for some players who were bumped or cut out of the top 30 prospects list.  The Jays have two players in the list, Brian Jeroloman and Bobby Ray who presumably would have been in the top 30 before the Halladay trade.

Brian Jeroloman obviously did not make the Jays top 30 list.  This is not a big surprise based on his poor 2009 season.  Ray is a bit more surprising to me, other than any lingering concerns over his injury history.  I though Ray did not look overmatched in his brief trial last season.  His stuff moves a lot and if he could control it he could have a nice career.

In any event these are setups for the BA top 30 prospect book which is now shipping.

Gerry - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 01:49 PM EST (#211486) #
BA also have a draft review for the 2000's.  I don't think you have had a great decade when David Bush and Cesar Izturis rank on your top ten drafteees of the decade list.
Ryan Day - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 02:07 PM EST (#211487) #

I think it's a ranking of prospects of the decade, not just drafts, since Izturis wasn't drafted. It also shows that BA's not flawless - they chose Shaun Macum as best pick of the decade (not sure by what metric), but Marcum was never on BA's top ten Jays prospects lists.

Mike Green - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 02:45 PM EST (#211488) #
Vernon Wells is there, and he was drafted in 1997.  It's a weird hodge-podge and doesn't really tell you much about the team's drafting or minor league player development system over the decade.  Eric Hinske is there too, and he didn't play a game in the Jay minor league system. 
TamRa - Friday, January 29 2010 @ 03:02 PM EST (#211489) #
Given the way we typically under-preform our pythag, maybe 71 is reasonable. I think on talent they are probably 5 or 6 wins better than that (just as on talent the were maybe 7 wins better than last year's result) but we never seem to get the most out of our talent.


Regarding BA's top 30, when someone sees it I wouldn't be hurt if i was to find out via e-mail how they ranked our guys....since i so seldom get to a big enough town to actually buy the issue.


Richard S.S. - Saturday, January 30 2010 @ 05:57 AM EST (#211495) #
Can't BA be ordered on-line with the over-drawn Credit card we all have?
ayjackson - Saturday, January 30 2010 @ 10:50 AM EST (#211496) #

Will, order the damn book.  It is a must for anybody who is even mildly interested in prospect porn.  I keep it on my bedside table year round. 

As for the Orioles, they strike me as the mid-decade Rays, with a bit less young talent and a bit more payroll.  The Rays took a few seasons of missing expectations before finally breaking out and I suspect the Orioles may follow suit.  The payroll issue may mitigate that somewhat though.

It seems intangibly that young teams take a bit longer to "learn" that they can be a top team in the league.

rtcaino - Saturday, January 30 2010 @ 01:41 PM EST (#211498) #

It is a must for anybody who is even mildly interested in prospect porn.  I keep it on my bedside table year round. 

I may never read a scouting report again.

TamRa - Saturday, January 30 2010 @ 03:44 PM EST (#211500) #
Just buy the book

Easier said than done. Except for 7 weeks of census work I've been unemployed for 128 months. if the utilities get paid on time it's a good month. i still haven't bought a couple of things my wife and I were supposed to get for christmas.

I won't say the money is never there - but I'm not going to deny everyone a chance to have a pizza once a month or so for something that's just for me.

$30 (or whatever it is) may not be a lot for most folks but it's pretty big for me.

Flex - Saturday, January 30 2010 @ 05:14 PM EST (#211503) #
Thanks for the sharp slap of perspective, WillRain.
ComebyDeanChance - Sunday, January 31 2010 @ 02:05 PM EST (#211510) #
I'm unfamiliar with the 'projectprospect' site, and found their Top 25 listed on Primer. Either it's bad news for Toronto, or they don't know Toronto has an mlb team. No Jay prospects made the list, unlike Michael Taylor who's at 13, Montero who's at 3, a TB prospect at 2, and 2 Oriole prospects. Here's the link for what, if anything, it's worth.

http://projectprospect.com/article/2010/01/30/top-25-prospect-list
TamRa - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 02:11 AM EST (#211517) #
I'm unfamiliar with the 'projectprospect' site, and found their Top 25 listed on Primer. Either it's bad news for Toronto, or they don't know Toronto has an mlb team. No Jay prospects made the list, unlike Michael Taylor who's at 13, Montero who's at 3, a TB prospect at 2, and 2 Oriole prospects. Here's the link for what, if anything, it's worth.

Bah.

A Top 25 list isn't very deep for one thing - there are more teams than that, before you even get to whether the guy is any more equipped than you or me to be making a list.

I'll lay aside debating whether or not Josh Bell is a better prospect than Brett Wallace (for instance) given that I have no particular reason to respect the writer of the list.

Mike Green - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 01:22 PM EST (#211525) #
Here's an interesting study.  The take-away: draft hitters in the first and second round unless you have a very, very good reason not to.  The reason: pitchers who are available later on like Marcum and Rzepczynski have about as good a chance of making it as players drafted earlier like Cecil and Ricky Romero, whereas for position players, there is more predictability and by the third round, there just aren't a lot of players who will make it. 

It's amazing how much money is spent trying to find a starter who can give you 200-220 good innings.  Frankly, it just doesn't seem worth it to me.  If you had eight pitchers whose job it was to go roughly 2 innings, 30 pitches (i.e. once through the order), you could simply have a two game rotation of four "relief pitchers" each.  Add in a left-handed fireballer, a right-handed fireballer (for the late innings of close games) and a knuckleballer (for extra innings, doubleheaders and blowouts), and you've got a nice 11 man staff.  I know that it isn't happening any time soon...
Chuck - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 02:36 PM EST (#211526) #

You know you're a sorry ass organization when...

... you sign Kevin Millar to a minor league contract. Gotta love them Cubs.

Thomas - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 03:00 PM EST (#211527) #
Jon Miller has been announced as the winner of the Ford C. Frick Award.

I'd like to believe this decision was only made so that Cheek could be recognized on the same weekend as Alomar. Unfortunately, I know the Hall of Fame doesn't function that way.
Flex - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 03:33 PM EST (#211528) #
That's a huge disappointment about Tom. Sad to say, I can't believe now that he'll get in, if they're giving it to a broadcaster still in his prime. They could have given it to Miller any time over the next ten or fifteen years. To give it to him now, with Tom Cheek still waiting, makes it seem as though the committee, whoever it is, has moved on from the voices of the past.
Mick Doherty - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 04:01 PM EST (#211529) #

broadcaster still in his prime.

That's a bit overstated -- he is close to 60 and been broadcasting for more than 30 years, so while the examples of Ernie Harwell and Harry Caray and the like ring out, they are exceptions, not the rule.

It is extraordinarily unlikely that Miller will be on the air, at least regularly -- if at all -- when he is 74 or 75.

That said, your point is well made about Cheek, but I think Miller clearly has posted Hall of Fame worthiness in his career to date, too.

vw_fan17 - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 04:04 PM EST (#211530) #
Didn't know where else to post this.. Interesting scientific study about how an outfielder catches a fly ball..

http://www.journalofvision.org/9/13/14/Fink-2009-jov-9-13-14.pdf

christaylor - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 04:51 PM EST (#211531) #
Interesting to be sure, but I'm not sure how much one can conclude from the work that has been done. The one point where he mentions the variance/SD on the WAR/year measure it seems to high to make any firm conclusions to extend to draft strategy.

There's definitely an obsession with finding an "ace" in baseball and a lesser extent for work horse pitchers who are good but not great.

With a flexible rotation, I suspect the importance of find one pitcher who can control the zone, use his repertoire of pitches effectively will be shifted to the staff as a whole -- I suspect it might be easier to find 3 individuals that can provide 200 +/ 20 above-average innings than it would be to find 11 pitchers who can provide average-innings. It remains an open question until a team tries it -- kind of like going back to the 4-man rotation.
Mike Green - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 05:12 PM EST (#211534) #
I believe that pitchers like Brian Tallet can succeed in this role.  I would feel comfortable with Tallet, Purcey, Romero, Marcum, Zep, Cecil, Richmond, Frasor/Accardo and Litsch in the 2 innings X 81 appearance role.  I have much less confidence in any of them in the 7 innings X 32 appearances role. But that's just me. 
Wildrose - Monday, February 01 2010 @ 10:29 PM EST (#211540) #
Blair mentions the Jays may have interest in some more pitchers.

Chien-Ming Wang and Érik Bédard are two other rehabbing pitchers who have piqued the Blue Jays’ interest. Both are coming off shoulder surgery, and the Blue Jays have made contact with their agents as well as doing their medical due diligence. A native of Navan, Ont., Bedard is still five months away from being able to pitch, and in this tight market, he might fall into the Blue Jays hands.



Mike Green - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 09:57 AM EST (#211542) #
Collecting rehabbing pitchers at a cheap price makes sense to me. 

They have an award for bad sex writing in fiction, but Blair is going to force them to do something about the absence of any well-known award for sportswriters with this, from the article which Wildrose linked to:

"Sex rears its ugly head: England manager Fabio Capello will be deflecting pressure to strip John Terry of the captain’s armband after published reports of Terry’s affair with the long-time girlfriend of England teammate Wayne Bridge, French underwear model Vanessa Peronncel."

It is true that it is hard to write about an affair without using a two-way word...

Mike Green - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 10:45 AM EST (#211543) #
Gabe Gross signed at 750K.  Helluva platoon player.  Not having a spot for him (and most teams don't) is one of the major costs of the 12 man pitching staff.  You spend twice or three times that much for the last man in the staff who will deliver about 1/2 the value. 
John Northey - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 12:28 PM EST (#211544) #
Just checked Gross' figures - 227/326/355 last year for a 79 OPS+.  Just once has he has cracked 100 for OPS+ with a 91 figure lifetime. If he was a solid CFer I'd think he might be worth a flier but he isn't (0 games in CF last year, 56 lifetime vs 82 in LF and 294 in RF).  All but 36 PA were vs RHP last year (290 total vs RHP).  Career wise he has a 760 OPS vs RHP and a 564 vs LHP (ouch).  Gross is entering his age 30 season and unless something major occurs I don't see him lasting to 31 even if there were 15 hitter slots per team instead of 13.
Thomas - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 01:16 PM EST (#211545) #
This morning if you had asked me what the worst contract in baseball was I would have said it was either Vernon Wells or Alfonso Soriano.

However, as The Hardball Times points out, there's a convincing argument neither of those is correct. It's Evan Longoria's.

TamRa - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 01:33 PM EST (#211546) #
I'm more interested in what outfielders Oakland will make available in light of their acquisitions.

Might be someone we can use there.

Gwyn - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 02:54 PM EST (#211547) #
Does anyone know if there will be any of the Spring Training games on TV this year ?
Denoit - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 04:23 PM EST (#211548) #

However, as The Hardball Times points out, there's a convincing argument neither of those is correct. It's Evan Longoria's

I find the article quite disturbing. What is wrong with quality people not being greedy, and giving something back to the team that gave him an opportunity. He will make enough money during that contract to never have to worry about money again. His team is a small budget team and maybe just maybe winning means more to him than an extra dollars on top of the 10 or so Million he will already be making.

Thomas - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 08:22 PM EST (#211556) #
What is wrong with quality people not being greedy, and giving something back to the team that gave him an opportunity.

Nothing is "wrong" with it. If that's what Longoria did then it's actually quite admirable. I hope Travis Snider feels similarly. The issue is, as the author points out, what reason do we have to assume that was his motivation, aside from the fact his contract already appears to be vastly below the current market?

If you are assuming that Longoria wants to maximize his earnings, particularly while young and healthy and talented, than his contract was a giant blunder by him and his agent. Alternatively, it wasn't a blunder, but it was a severe discount in return for $17 million up front (admittedly not an insubstantial amount of money).

I think the author was just drawing attention to how Longoria's contract is already looking like a huge benefit for Tampa. I don't think the author was trying to be "disturbing" and portray selflessness as a negative quality. Until there's evidence or at least some indication that this was Longoria's main motivation, I don't think we can ascribe that characteristic to him. I'll greatly admire Longoria if he signs another significantly below-market contract with Tampa when he nears free agency, but if he signs a market-value contract there or elsewhere, I'll wonder why he didn't try to maximize his earnings earlier.

ayjackson - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 09:37 PM EST (#211560) #

Market value is assessed at a point in time.  It cannot be afforded the benefit of hindsight.  If the contract wasn't a blunder at the time, it cannot be one now.  He has no doubt outperformed his contract to date, but that is not a judgement on the agent.

6-10 year contracts for 22 year-olds is a rare occurrence.  I'm sure there'll be ones constructed the same way that will be considered bulnders on the part of the GM.

There's been plenty of can't miss 22 year-olds that missed, badly.

Ryan Day - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 10:55 PM EST (#211563) #
I don't think the author was trying to be "disturbing" and portray selflessness as a negative quality. Until there's evidence or at least some indication that this was Longoria's main motivation, I don't think we can ascribe that characteristic to him.

Sure. But similarly, I don't think we can ascribe extreme stupidity to Longoria or his agent without some other supporting evidence. Calling it the worst contract in baseball does just that, though - it's a bad contract because Longoria could have got much more money if he hadn't screwed up so poorly.

It definitely looks like a beneficial contract to the Rays. But without knowing Longoria's priorities - money, security, happiness, comfort, whatever -  you can't assume it's not beneficial to him at the same time.
Thomas - Tuesday, February 02 2010 @ 11:26 PM EST (#211568) #
There's been plenty of can't miss 22 year-olds that missed, badly.

As the author points out in the comments section, Alex Gordon, a can't-miss prospect who seems to be headed in the direction of missing, will probably earn close to $17 million in his pre-FA years. If he doesn't, he won't miss by very much. So, Longoria didn't really save anything in his pre-FA years. What he gained was some guaranteed money once he hit FA ($27 million), but he seems to have potentially lost much more than that amount in possible FA money. Also, he lost the ability to sign a long-term contract at 27 instead of 30, which likely would have been to his benefit.

There are can't-miss prospects who miss, but there are fewer can't-miss prospects who are picked 3rd overall after an outstanding career as a collegiate hitter and who rocket through the minor leagues.

Terming it the worst contract in baseball is not the issue. The main point is that he traded a lot of potential future earnings in return for some guaranteed security. Maybe he values the security of that deal very highly, but he sacrificed substantial future earnings in order to get it.

Ryan Day - Wednesday, February 03 2010 @ 09:24 AM EST (#211575) #
Terming it the worst contract in baseball is not the issue.

It is when the title of the piece is "The Worst Contract in Baseball", and the writer twice says that Longoria has "The Worst Contract in Baseball." It is when the writer says things like this:

The grisly side of it isn't the paltry $17.5 million Longoria will get for his first six years. ...  But those back-side options are just killers. $7.5 million as a 28-year-old? $11 million at 29? $11.5 at 30? This is the kind of thing that should get agents fired. Those three years must net a player with Longoria's performance and service time more than $60 million.

Leaving aside the grotesqueness of writing something like "paltry $17.5 million", this sounds like he's speaking for the Players Union. Longoria "must" make a certain amount at a certain age? Says who? Is he going to suffer financial hardship because he only makes $11 million when he's 29?

The entire article is written on the assumption that everyone should do everything they can to maximize their earnings, and anyone who doesn't is a chump.  Ridiculing a guy because he'll only make $40 million by the time he's 30 and you can't fathom any reason he'd value something else is crass.
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