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The Toronto Blue Jays recently signed Mississauga native Shawn Hill to a minor league deal.  The right-handed pitcher will look to join fellow hurler Shawn Camp on the Jays staff and become king of the hill while Aaron Hill mans second base.

Shawn Hill played high school ball in Milton, Ontario and was drafted by the San Diego Padres in round 33 of the 1999 amateur draft.  However, he did not sign with the Friars and was selected again in the 2000 draft by the Montreal Expos in the sixth round.  After pitching just 60 innings in his first two minor league seasons, Hill broke through in 2002 with Single-A Clinton when he went 12-7 with a 3.44 ERA while striking out 99 hitters in 146 2/3 innings and had a WHIP of 1.255.  The 6-foot-2, 180 pound righty recorded another 12 win season in 2003 when he split time with Single-A Brevard County and Double-A Harrisburg.  He struck out just 78 batters in 147 innings combined but his WHIP dipped to 1.211 and his overall ERA was 2.65.  Still, that performance was good enough to earn Hill an appearance at the 2003 Futures Game.  He won three of his four decisions with Harrisburg after his promotion but his K-BB mark was a troubling 12-11 in 20 innings and his WHIP was 1.672.    

In 2004, Hill's record with Harrisburg saw him go two games below .500 at 5-7 but the peripherals were better as his K-BB mark was 53-20 in 87 2/3 frames.  He earned his first trip to the bigs on June 29th but his debut was a rocky one as he shelled for eight runs in 2 2/3 innings as the Phillies pounded the Expos 17-7 in the City of "Not So" Brotherly Love.  He bounced back in his next start July 4th as he won his first major league start by allowing one run on six hits and two walks over five innings to help the Expos beat Ted Lilly and the Jays 6-4 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.   That turned out to be the last Jays-Expos regular season game and it wasn't even in Canada!   Unfortunately, Hill was bombed again in his next start at Hiram Bithorn Stadium as the Pirates burned him for seven runs in 1 1/3 innings in an 11-0 shellacking.  That would be Hill's last appearance in an Expos uniform and he never got to experience the joy of pitching at Olympic Stadium.  Even with the decent start in between, he was 1-2 with a not-so-sweet 16.00 ERA.

Hill never got to pitch in 2005 thanks to Tommy John surgery on his right elbow.  In 2006, he made 10 starts at Double-A Harrisburg and one at Triple-A New Orleans and found his form again by splitting six decisions with an ERA of 2.77.  He struck out 34 and walked just seven in 55 1/3 innings.  Hill made his Nationals debut May 29th and got a no decision despite seven innings of one-run ball.  Two starts later, he earned his first win of the year with seven shutout innings over the Phillies and followed that up with a quality start against the Yankees by allowing three runs over six frames.  After Boston roughed him for eight runs over 5 2/3 innings, Hill made his Rogers Centre debut June 28th but the homecoming did not turn out as planned.  He went up against Ted Lilly again and gave up four runs over five frames as the Jays prevailed with a 6-4 win.  That turned out to be Hill's swan song for '06 after being sidelined due to injury.  He finished up that year going 1-3 with a 4.66 ERA.

Hill returned to the Nationals with a vengeance in 2007 by going 3-3 with a 2.70 ERA into early May.  However, the injury bug bit again as elbow problems forced him out until August.  He finished the year 4-5 with a 3.42 ERA and a WHIP of 1.140 in 97 1/3 innings.  Hill's injury problems continued in 2008 as his elbow put him on the disabled list twice.  When he did take to the mound, he struggled to a 1-5 mark with a 5.83 ERA and a 1.753 WHIP in only 63 1/3 innings.  He won his arbitration hearing by getting $775,000 instead of $500,000 but the Nationals wound up releasing him.

Hill came back to the team that originally drafted him as he signed a minor league deal with San Diego last March just five days after Washington released him.  He won his Padres debut with a two-run, five inning start against the Giants and repeated that same performance in Philadelphia where he got a no-decision.  He turned in a quality start against the Padres with a three-run, six inning effort but wound up with the loss.  Hill's record was 1-1 with a 5.25 ERA at that point and he would not be able to improve on those totals because he needed another Tommy John surgery.

According to fangraphs.com, Hill throws a fastball around 88-89 miles per hour with a changeup around 80 MPH and a curveball around 75 MPH.  In 2009, Hill threw more changeups and sliders than curveballs in what may have been an effort to prevent wear and tear on his elbow but I am probably talking out of my ass here so feel free to call me on it.  You're welcome!

With a career record of 8-16 and a 4.95 ERA in the bigs, Hill hopes a return to Canadian soil will bring better health and success in 2010. 


In other Jays related news..........

*  Jays assistant GM Tony LaCava has a chat on THE FAN 590 and Sportsnet's play-by-play man Buck Martinez does likewise.

MLB.com's Jonathan "Hold The" Mayo speaks with Jays prospect Kyle Drabek.

Drunkjaysfans.com, via a tweet from Phillies reporter Scott Lauber, says shortstop Brian Bocock has been claimed off waivers by the Phillies.  Bocock & Doc!  What a combo!

Bluejays.com's Jordan Bastian details the charitable endeavours of Jesse Litsch.

And finally, this will be the Jays new spring training/batting practice cap for 2010.


Around the majors.......

Ben Sheets signs with the A's.

Jim Thome returns to the A.L. Central with the Twins.

Jon Garland remains in the N.L. West, this time with the Padres.

Johnny Damon may have played his last game as a Yankee.

*  Another prospects list is on the way!  MLB.com will announce its Top 50 minor league prospects list tonight at 8:00 p.m. ET.

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92-93 - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 03:57 AM EST (#211408) #
If S. Hill joins the team, does A. Hill have to add the A. to his jersey? Drabek and Wallace should both be in the top 25 and Stewart probably falls just short.
alsiem - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 11:12 AM EST (#211411) #
This newly acquired rock star brings with him an All-Star presence and just the right pinch of confidence, not to mention an innate fire that is sure to bring fans to their feet

Sheet's press release is cringe worthy.  My eyes started to tear so I'm not sure what else is mentioned.
Gerry - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 11:19 AM EST (#211412) #
Tim Kurkjian gets around to discussing AA and "the new way".
Mike Green - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 11:43 AM EST (#211413) #
The best GMs integrate a respect for the work of scouts with a broader understanding of the game, which includes sabermetric work. 

Beeston indicates that Toronto is the 4th or 5th largest market in North America (and he is absolutely right about that).  What he does not say is that Toronto has not had a top 5 payroll in almost 2 decades.  During this time, player development was actually pretty good (particularly in the Ash era), but market development was lousy.  The Jays GMs during the time have had significant flaws (Ash's player acquisition moves, Ricciardi's gratuitous mouthing-off), but ownership bears more of the responsibility for the team's current situation.  Free agents will come here (as they did during the Ricciardi era), but if ownership does not wisely develop the large market it has, it is unlikely that the club will be able to compete for more than a year or two at any time.   

Gerry - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 11:50 AM EST (#211414) #
Keith Law has ranked the farm systems, it might be for Insiders only.  Texas and Boston are rated one and two.  The Jays are at number 16 and Law says that without the Halladay and Rolen trades they could have been last.
John Northey - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 01:04 PM EST (#211415) #
Sheets getting $10 million plus incentives is just amazing.  For the A's, a team traditionally on the cheap, to sign the deal is equally amazing.  Mix in the fact it is just for one year with no options and I just shake my head.

Yes, Sheets could be an amazing pitcher in 2010 but this is not much of a discount given the risk he carries. 

christaylor - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 01:04 PM EST (#211416) #
How do the Jays develop the market without building a trendy new stadium?

I believe there's just too much froth in the Toronto market to assert that it is the 4th or 5th largest market. Even if the team is winning, I don't think the Toronto market has shown to be a draw without the team/stadium being new.

I hope I am wrong, but I think we'll have to wait for a time when the dome is not a new whiz-bang, insanely great place to be or the team a novelty item that gives Toronto more cachet in NA. With luck we could see evidence that I'm wrong in the next 3 years. We'll see...

Richard S.S. - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 01:12 PM EST (#211417) #
I liked listening to the Buck Martinez segment. He likes what we have on this team.   He also knows we'll be in for some bad times, but this team will still be interesting to watch.   He said we need a catcher (either John Buck is not good enough to be our starting Catcher, or Raul Chavez  isn`t good enough to be our backup Catcher, or both) and an outfielder to challenge Jose Bautista (Jeremy Reed and Joey Gathright may not be our answer).   Good Pitching shortens the rebuild time (pitching the ball and catching the ball).   Listen to the segment should be a must.
Richard S.S. - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 01:57 PM EST (#211418) #

 What he does not say is that Toronto has not had a top 5 payroll in almost 2 decades.

Let`s see, almost two decades means approx. 1989 - 2009.   As I recall, in 1992 and 1993, Toronto had baseball`s biggest payrolls (Paul Beeston has even said this).   (18)   You could assume the run up to the World Series years, 1989, 1990, and 1991, had the team spending a fairly large amount, certainly close to top 5 money.   (15)   Since they were trying to Three-peat, salaries should still be high in 1994 and 1995.   (13)   We shouldn`t include the years of European ownership (a non-baseball market), nor should we include the `bargain basement` years when they were trying to own their own ballpark.   (  )   Almost two decades - hardly.

When Gillick, Beeston and their team left - stepped down, they did not leave the same caliber people taking over, not even close.   That`s when the fall started, that`s who to blame.

 

Mike Green - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 02:02 PM EST (#211419) #
The market for TV/internet purposes is all of Canada.  That has signficant merch effects as well.
John Northey - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 03:28 PM EST (#211420) #
Easy to see what happened with an old crappy stadium and a contender.  Just check 1985-1988 (could add 1984 and 1983 although '83 came after 7 years of last place finishes). 
For this stretch there were 14 AL teams.  Listing Year: Attendance : Rank
1983: 1,930,415 : 7th
1984: 2,110,009 : 4th
1985: 2,468,925 : 2nd
1986: 2,455,477 : 2nd
1987: 2,778,429 : 1st
1988: 2,595,175 : 3rd
1989-1994: Skydome and 1st place in attendance every year in AL
1995 and beyond: sigh.  Top 1/2 of attendance in 95/96/97, and 07/08.  11th is the worst (2002-2005).

Interesting eh?  So the fans will come out if they are given a good team regardless of the shape of the stadium (and while I miss it at times the games at the old Ex were more a rumour than a fact for many fans whenver it was over the 30k mark).
TamRa - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 03:48 PM EST (#211421) #

I think the Jays would be well served to find the Alex Anthopoulos of marketing to start from the ground up rebuilding the teams image in the eyes of the fanbase - the "optics" to use the current term.

this having noting to do with personnel decisions mind you, but if we are going to be cutting edge in terms of talent acquisition and development, why not be cutting edge in terms of marketing?

 I've never been to TO or to the Dome but I would suggest that properly done, the nature of the stadium wouldn't be a dela breaker. If necessary, find an arcitect willing to take on the challenge of remaking the stadium without compromising the things that the logistics of a multi-use facility demand. If any there be.

 

TamRa - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 03:52 PM EST (#211422) #

on a baseball note - I had a wild and crazy notion last night and I submit it here for those who are closer observers of the game to pick apart (I'm sure it MUST be a bad idea, I just can't be sure I know why so it intrigues me)-

 

What if we signed Felipe Lopez and put him in RF? He has agility, he has a good enough arm that they played him at 3B at one time, he has, in a good year, enough OBP skills and speed to lead off....and not a few infielders have been converted to an outfield corener in the past.

 

There's almost no obvious spot for him left on the market (3B for the Cards is the only one I see) so the price should be reasonable....if Bautista can do it why can't Lopez?

 

Denoit - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 04:11 PM EST (#211423) #

Sheets getting $10 million plus incentives is just amazing.  For the A's, a team traditionally on the cheap, to sign the deal is equally amazing.  Mix in the fact it is just for one year with no options and I just shake my head.

I don't find it that amazing. I think it was actually a great move on Oaklands part. This guy has had a track record of being a legitmate #1 guy. Ownership obviously supported their descision. Sure its a risk but there are huge rewards there. 1. If he preforms like his old self they get a year of production at a big discount. (They are saving probalby around 5 to 7 Million).  2. The West is up for grabs this year, they have a young team and could suprise some people and a healthy Sheets will only help. Their rotation is looking pretty strong with him at the top.  3. They get return on their investment in the form of either a deadline trade, or two high draft picks. 10M$ is alot but they must have liked what they saw and thought it was worth the risk. I wish the Jays would have gave him a  shot.

whiterasta80 - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 04:26 PM EST (#211424) #
I don't think a new stadium is required so much as a makeover of the current one. The new screen was a start, but I suggest that they  cut out about 5000 seats, and spread out the remaining ones so that its a bit more comfortable, upgrade some of the concessions and perhaps the luxery suites.  The basics of the dome are still there: downtown location, indoor/outdoor option, near union station...  Its just that there are minor league parks with seating that is more comfortable.  Then price the seating such that people come.  Instead of $2.00 Tuesdays, make the 500 level $2.00 all the time.  Get people into the habit of coming to the game and you'll build your audience.
John Northey - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 04:49 PM EST (#211425) #
Well, a 111 OPS+ isn't bad for a 3B (what Lopez hit last year) but he is turning 30, lifetime 269/338/400 93 OPS+ and has been in the minors...er...NL ever since he was traded away from here.  He is a second baseman now who plays shortstop when needed (useful) and has had significant time at 3B/LF (3 innings at 1B/RF combined, never played in CF or caught).  A very useful NL guy and could be used off the bench as he is a switch hitter too.

Except... we already have Bautista who is a year younger and lifetime 238/329/400 91 OPS+ - slightly worse but not drastically so.  Primarily a 3B who also has spent lots of time in RF/CF/LF (400+ innings each) and has time at 1B/2B as well (over 25 innings).

So with Lopez you gain ability to play short (arguably - his defense was never viewed as the best) but lose experience in CF/RF and one year of age.  Really, these guys are pretty much interchangeable with some pluses each (1 year for Bautista mixed with CF, switch hitting and SS for Lopez).  If we had a 10 man pitching staff or didn't already have Bautista signed I'd say go for it.  But... we do have a 12 man staff and Bautista so Lopez really doesn't fit well.  Might have been a good mix and match with either of our shortstops but with both of them and a short bench it just doesn't fit.
Dewey - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 04:55 PM EST (#211426) #
1989-1994: Skydome and 1st place in attendance every year in AL
1995 and beyond: sigh.  Top 1/2 of attendance in 95/96/97, and 07/08.  11th is the worst (2002-2005).


Don't underestimate the effect of The Strike, John.   I know people who swore off baseball after that, and stayed away for a very long time.  And the Interbrew years were simply a sorry wasteland.
Dewey - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 05:00 PM EST (#211427) #
Oh yeah, and about the logo on that batting practice cap, above.   Why can’t it just have a nice, recognizable T on it?  (Well, actually, I know why:  because then they wouldn’t have so many variants to sell to so many suckers.  Ain’t marketing grand?)  Whatever that is on the cap, it scarcely looks like a T.
Gerry - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 05:10 PM EST (#211428) #
Jordan Bastian interviews Dirk Hayhurst.
TamRa - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 07:10 PM EST (#211429) #
Except... we already have Bautista...

...Really, these guys are pretty much interchangeable


Except Batista can't hit AT ALL vs RHP, let alone lead off.

If I was certain that Lopez could learn RF, I would do a Reed-Johnson on Bautista and give RF to Lopez (assuming the current plan is to play Bautista in RF) if I had to only take one of them.

Well, that and whether the guy we've seen the last 190 games is what we get and not the guy who played in Washington.


perlhack - Wednesday, January 27 2010 @ 08:59 PM EST (#211431) #
Two articles which may interest Bauxites:

Anthopoulos initiates plan to revive Jays (Tim Kurkjian, ESPN The Magazine)
Hall made right choice on Dawson cap (Phil Rogers, Chicago Tribune)

R Romero Vaughan - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 05:02 AM EST (#211435) #

Elias does its rankings based on the previous 2 years,

There is no way that Ben Sheets will make it to an 'A' ranking with just one year of performance so the most you will get for him is a sandwich pick.

Looking at the rankings Scott Downs is currently an 'A' and you can expect Frasor to be the same. That's pretty valuable given how poor the trade market for relief has been. I think the dynamic people don't recognise often enough though is the bonus payments to these picks - If AA can trade for an A ball second round talent for Downs then you don't have to pay the bonus for that player. It all adds up I guess.

Lyle Overbay is currently not ranked but a reasonable season would bring him up to B level I would expect.

 

 

 

Richard S.S. - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 10:26 AM EST (#211441) #

When the season starts, Shaun Marcum will be more than 18 months clear of Tommy-John surgery.   In 2008 (25 starts): 9-7, 3.39 ERA, 1.51 IP, 126 Hits, 50 BB: 2.974 BB/9, 123 SO: 7.315 SO/9, .99 GO/AO, 1.16 Whip.   This is maybe a #2 - #3 starter.   1st 15 starts: 5-4, 2.65 ERA, 98.2 IP, 27 BB: 2.463 BB/9, 86 SO: 7.844 SO/9, 1.003 Whip.   This is maybe a #1 - #2 starter.   Next/Last 10 starts: 4-3, 4,78 ERA, 52.2 IP, 23 BB: 3.93 BB/9, 37 SO: 6.322 SO/9, 1.499 Whip.  This is maybe a #3 - #4 starter.

This is my nomination for the Ace of our Staff.    If you have someone better in mind, feel free to say so.

John Northey - Thursday, January 28 2010 @ 12:37 PM EST (#211446) #
Take note that Lopez has a lifetime figure of 269/338/400 - last year's OBP of 383 was his best ever - next best was a 358 in 2006.  He has cracked 340 4 times and been under 315 his other 5 seasons in the majors. 

To be a bit nicer, since Lopez became a regular in 2005 (over 100 games per season) he has hit 280/349/407 for an OPS+ of 98.  Solid for a middle infielder, good for a 3B, poor for an outfielder.  Bautista as a regular has hit 242/334/412 for an OPS+ of 96.  It appears the key difference is batting average (38 points). 

If both were free agents and the same price, and attitude wasn't an issue, I'd go for Lopez.  However, Lopez has a rep for a poor attitude iirc and releasing Bautista would cost on top of the price for Lopez himself.  If he is still hanging around in a couple of weeks then the Jays should think a lot more about signing him if he'll come for $1 million or less and if they are willing to let Bautista go.  With a short bench there just isn't space for both plus McDonald.
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