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Alex Anthopoulos is moving quickly to put his stamp on the organization.  Today the Jays announced a  number of changes which included relieving Dick Scott and Jon Lalonde of their present duties.  Scott leaves the organization while Lalonde takes on new responsibilities.

The first press release states:

The TORONTO BLUE JAYS have made the following changes to their Player Development Department which will operate under the direction of TONY LaCAVA; CHARLIE WILSON has been appointed Director, Minor League Operations and DOUG DAVIS has been appointed Minor League Field Coordinator while DICK SCOTT and MIKE BASSO have been relieved of their duties.

This release suggests that Tony LaCava is taking over for Dick Scott and he will run the farm system.  Charlie Wilson and Doug Davis increase their responsibilities under Scott.

The second release states:

The TORONTO BLUE JAYS have made the following changes to their scouting department; ANDREW TINNISH has been appointed Director Amateur Scouting, PERRY MINASIAN has been appointed Director of Professional Scouting, JON LALONDE has been named Professional Scout and ROB DUCEY has been relieved of his duties.

Lalonde moves from amateur scouting director to be a professional scout.  Andrew Tinnish who was in charge of professional scouting is now in charge of amateur scouting.

These moves can be made quickly because Anthopoulos has been working with all these people over the last several years.  Dick Scott was a friend of JP and his departure based on that is not a surprise.  In addition the last Blue Jay season ended in some controversy with the firing of several hitting coaches.  Scott has had mixed results over the last few years, the Jays have done a very good job with pitching development, in thanks to Dane Johnson and his pitching coaches.  With hitters some of the high draft picks have played well but the Jays system has been generally weak in hitting recently.

It will be interesting to see what changes LaCava might make with the on-field staff, like Anthopoulos he has been around for years so he knows the personnel.

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92-93 - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#207294) #
Is this a promotion for Lalonde? I would have thought amateur scouts are more important than the professional ones.
VBF - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 12:08 PM EDT (#207295) #

I really wish that someone down the road can do some analysis on minor league systems and the support given through those in charge of player development and coaches, and how that impacts what direction each players' career takes. JP took a lot of heat for drafting Romero ahead of Tulo, but is Tulo the same player if he comes through the Jays system? Is Romero the same player if he went through the Rockies system? It's really subjective and perhaps we'll never know.

metafour - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#207296) #
Is this a promotion for Lalonde? I would have thought amateur scouts are more important than the professional ones.


Looks like a demotion to me.  He went for a Director position (of Amateur Scouting) to just a Scout role.
Frank Markotich - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#207297) #
Nothing to do with these moves in particular, but after listening to AA and Beeston on McCown's show, and reading Keith Law's take, I'm slightly less pessimistic now about the organization's future. Time will tell. 
Mike Green - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#207298) #
When I said earlier that Dick Scott might have been more guarded than usual in his interview with Gerry because of the GM change, I didn't really expect this. 

I thought well of Scott, and wish him well. 


hootie110 - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#207300) #

In addition the last Blue Jay season ended in some controversy with the firing of several hitting coaches.

Gerry...what was the controversy?

Pistol - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#207301) #
I really wish that someone down the road can do some analysis on minor league systems and the support given through those in charge of player development and coaches, and how that impacts what direction each players' career takes...... It's really subjective and perhaps we'll never know.

Exactly.  Is the Jays problems developing players because they draft & sign poorly or coach them poorly?  You can never really know.  Sounds like AA thought the answer was 'both' which is pretty interesting.

It is a little interesting that a few hitting coaches would be fired, and then later Scott was also fired.  If they knew they were getting rid of Scott why would they let him get rid of the hitting coaches?  Perhaps at the time they didn't know, or more likely, they supported the move regardless of Scott's outlook.

Gerry - Would you say Tinnish is running the draft now?  Are you familiar with Charlie Wilson at all?
John Northey - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#207302) #
Given Scott didn't have much to say about the hitting coaches being fired I wonder if he was against it but was told it was what was happening.  Odds are the writing was on the wall for him for awhile.

Sad to see Rob Ducey gone though, as I always cheer for guys born in Toronto and raised in Cambridge :)

MatO - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#207303) #
I think JP was still there when the hitting coaches were let go.  Since Scott was replaced from within the organization, it seems to me to be less of a performance issue and more that he was JP's guy.  Maybe AA didn't have a good relationship with him.
Gerry - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#207305) #
Hootie, I think you have pointed out the controversy.  There appeared to be no particular reason for the changes, those coaches had been with the system for a while, and appeared to be doing OK, and anytime you turn over 40% of your hitting coaches it says something about the system and it's leader too.
Impossibles - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#207306) #

"It is a little interesting that a few hitting coaches would be fired, and then later Scott was also fired.  If they knew they were getting rid of Scott why would they let him get rid of the hitting coaches?  Perhaps at the time they didn't know, or more likely, they supported the move regardless of Scott's outlook."

I'm pretty sure the hitting coaches were dumped at the end of the minor league season, so that was JP's call.

I'm all for the "if things are broke, then you fix it" approach, but I believe the influence of coaches are pretty marginal in player development.  I believe the cream rises to the top, the Jays have just been drafting the wrong players much more often then the right players.  Chalk that up to scouting and the GM.

Any links to interviews with LaCava from the past?

And kudos to Dick Scott for giving BB his time even though he probably knew he was gone.  I thought I detected a tone of apathy (compared to his normal excitement level) in his recent mini interview.

Gerry - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#207307) #

Pistol, it looks to me that Tinnish is running the amateur draft now.

I have met Charlie Wilson, although he is from Toronto he is based in Dunedin and handles all the administration for the minor league system.  Here is a story I did on Charlie back in 2006. 

I am not sure if his promotion is a change in title from manager to director or a change in responsibilities too.

Gerry - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#207308) #
And here are links to a two part interview I did with Tony La Cava back in 2006.  Part one and part two.
TamRa - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:29 PM EDT (#207310) #
Wilner blogged these moves and noted that AA was really high on Jannish, and that LaLonde's transfer reflected an increased emphesis on potential trades and major league signings.



Lugnut Fan - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#207313) #

Player development is a funny thing.  At the major league level, you have the players that theoretically need the least amount of coaching and the organizationi has the best coaches they can find at that level.  At the lower levels with the youngest players, you have the youngest, most inexperienced coaches as well.  The system is fundamentally flawed, but you can't fix that.

I liked Joyce and thought that he did a good job in the system.  I liked Charles Poe as well, but can understand that move.

I hope the minor league system keeps Clayton McCullough who managed Lansing the past few seasons.  He is in his mid to late 20's, but I think he has a heck of a future in coaching.  Who knows what will happen now.  The new director of player development may want to change a few more coaches in the system.

Denoit - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#207314) #

increased emphesis on potential trades

Roy Halladay?

VBF - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#207315) #

The system is very flawed, Bart Given posted on his blog a while back, commenting on the situation of nutrition in the low minor leagues. That short season A-ball post game spreads might consist of a bag of Wonder Bread and a jar of peanut butter. Is this the proper eating for players aged 17-20 who physically exert themselves everyday? I rarely exert myself and that would be hardly passable for a good meal. He talked about how the Indians have nutrtionists throughout their minor league operations, ensuring that players are getting enough fruits and vegetables. And it makes sense. If the average person can't function eating peanut butter sandwiches all day, how would you expect an 18 year old to do hitting a baseball in 100 degree heat?

 

TamRa - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#207316) #
The system is fundamentally flawed, but you can't fix that.

You know, that would be something that would be really impressive from one of these Whiz-Kid GM's

If Alex went in and told Tony Viner that the best plan for the major league team would be to run it down to $50 million and rebuild, BUT that the money saved should be plowed back into making Dunedin (first and then others later) a baseball factory like none other in terms of coaches and training and so forth...and reformating the nutritional stuff across the system...

Basically redefining player development - it would be worth being pateint with the major league team to lay such a strong foundation for the future.

John Northey - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#207317) #
VBF: now that makes a lot of sense. Having the kids at the lowest levels looked after physically as best as possible.  I guess many still go by the 'stick and carrot' method where you get the stick until you reach the bigs where there are lots of carrots to be had.

The cost of a better diet at the lower levels, and proper training (via personal trainers and the like) at all levels could pay off big time in healthier more athletic players in the end.  Plus, with trainers, you could cut down a bit on the stupidity that kids in their early 20's will do (not a lot, but at least a little).  So two personal trainers per team (7 levels iirc, thus 14 trainers @ $125k each = $1.75 million) and one nutritionist per level (7 more people @ $125k each = $875k) and the extra food cost (lets say $30 per player per level = 7 x 25 x $30 = $5,250 x 200 days = $1.05 million) totals $3.675 million a year and you'd be getting very good trainers/nutritionists and food at all levels.  Or the cost for Millar + Bautista + McDonald (after factoring in ML minimum for Ruiz + Inglett + anyone who is good glove no bat respectively).

John Northey - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#207318) #
From Canoe...

"Ducey recently submitted a $350,000 bonus to scout Japan. The Jays approved roughly $40,000. "

Hmm... I think that explains why he was let go.  One wonders what the bonus was and why he claimed so much more than was approved.
Lugnut Fan - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#207319) #

I agree with you guys..The problem on the nutritional end as far as post game spreads go is that those are provided and paid for by the minor league team.  If you have a team that is financially stable, post game spreads are not a problem.  I can tell you that the guys in Lansing in paticular are well taken care of on homestands in regards to post game meals.  If the minor league team is financially struggling however, it becomes more of a challenge to provide a nice post game spread. 

To do this, you need your affiliates to be strong financially as well.  Unfortunately, that is not the case in all places.  Like all minor league sports, it thrives in some places and yet in others, it is a challenge to even be able to pay to turn the lights on for night games.

Frank Markotich - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#207320) #

Ducey "submitted a $350,000 bonus to scout Japan"? What does that mean exactly? Oh, I forgot, it's the Toronto Sun.

 

toronto9 - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#207321) #
I completely agree with you guys. I cant speak for all the minor league teams but the Auburn team meals and workouts were a joke. I know a couple players on the team and their pre game meal was a couple loafs of bread with PB & jam. there was barely enough to go around and if you didnt make a sandwich in time some kids had to go to subway before the game just to have something to eat. After the game they were given leftover fries and nachos from the consession stand. That and to go along with only being allowed to workout twice a week for an hour in the basement of a YMCA, no wonder these kids aren't gaining any size or being able to perform all season long.  Their offseasons are spent trying to get back to their normal playing weight and they are never progressing.
tercet - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#207323) #
Well congrats to Charlie Wilson my former hockey from about 5 years ago.  With one semester left in school I believe that now would be good time to apply for an internship based on knowing Charlie!
tercet - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#207324) #
hockey coach*
christaylor - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#207325) #
Workouts and the facilities for workouts are one thing as they are part of the job, but isn't the "post-game food" just a perk. I agree it'd be a good perk to have a nutritionist for athletes, but there are very few jobs where being fed is part of the bargain - even these 17-20 year olds are professionals. It isn't unreasonable that a proper diet is the within the purview of these professional athletes themselves?

I don't really disagree with what's been said above and I definitely agree trainers, coaches and even nutritionists could be a good thing for player development, but I just don't see why the Jays organization should be getting flack for the players eating, which is their responsibility.
Mike Green - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#207326) #
Nutrition and fitness go hand in hand.  Getting an 18 year old to eat his greens can sometimes be difficult, but that is what they are being paid to do.  Clubs do have an interest in ensuring that their players are well-fed.
John Northey - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#207327) #
Well, given the Jays have, literally, millions invested in these players (million plus in a single player in some cases) then spending an extra $3-4 million a year to ensure the guys are getting the proper foods and exercise should be viewed as a 'protect your investment' cost.

You sign guys as high schoolers hoping they'll grow and get stronger.  Then you feed them bread and peanut butter and are shocked, shocked I tell you! to see they don't grow to the size you hoped they would.  I don't care how much they got as bonus money or what, as a kid in my early 20's if I had cash it was pizza and McDonald's.  These guys will most likely do the same.  To assume otherwise is to be throwing away that bonus money you paid out and will push the Jays further behind the Yanks and Red Sox. 

Any ML team should view money spent in the minors as an investment.  If you don't spend money, you won't make money.  Yes, right now the minor league teams are responsible for post game spreads.  Guess what?  If the ML team says 'from now on we're sending a nutritionist down there at our expense to buy food at our expense for the kids' the minor league team won't resist one iota.  Heck, if I owned a ML team I'd probably try to buy up all my minor league teams in order to ensure quality control from top to bottom and stability as well.  No more moving from Syracuse to Las Vegas - just stick the team where you want it to be.  Too often ML teams are penny wise (save money on food and trainers) and pound foolish (kids don't develop as you hoped) and this is a clear area of that occurring (mix in a few McDonald, Bautista, and Millar contracts for the pound foolish part too).
metafour - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#207329) #
Whats with the knock on peanut butter? Anyone into weight-lifting knows that peanut butter is one of the premier bulking foods.
Impossibles - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#207330) #

Workouts and the facilities for workouts are one thing as they are part of the job, but isn't the "post-game food" just a perk. I agree it'd be a good perk to have a nutritionist for athletes, but there are very few jobs where being fed is part of the bargain - even these 17-20 year olds are professionals. It isn't unreasonable that a proper diet is the within the purview of these professional athletes themselves?

I don't really disagree with what's been said above and I definitely agree trainers, coaches and even nutritionists could be a good thing for player development, but I just don't see why the Jays organization should be getting flack for the players eating, which is their responsibility.

Here here!  These players got fairly hefty bonuses and get paid a salary, how about putting some of the responsibility on them?  Its not like we're talking about breeding race horses here, these are men who should do everything in their power to get better since their earning potential is unlimited.  I would be surprised if the Jays do some sort of nutrition education for the new kids every year.

jmoney - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#207332) #
Gerry. Is there any chances da Box and AA can hook up sometime this winter for an interview? I'd love to read some of his thoughts on some of questions this community could come up with.
Gerry - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#207333) #

I have reached out to AA to congratulate him on behalf of Batters Box.  I told him that we all wish for him to be successful.  He said he would be willing to talk but not until the new year, likely before spring training.

We need to give him time to lay out his plan to the mainstream media and to see if there are gaps in what the those media ask him.

bball12 - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:16 PM EDT (#207334) #
Dunedin - and food.

Games at approx 7:00 p.m.

You show up at the field at around 1:00 to 2:00
Relax a bit - then get your workout in.
Pre game - Game.

Its usually around 10:00 p.m. by the time you reach the showers.

Then - with no food there - you either:

1) Go out and look for a restaurant thats open late.
2) Go home and cook.

Either way - you are lucky if you are having dinner by 10:30 to 11:00 p.m.

It might make sense to have some cheap, but healthy food, after home games.








Gerry - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#207335) #

Edited....

Hootie can you e-mail me at minors at batters box dot ca

Ron - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:21 PM EDT (#207336) #
What's crazy with all these moves today is that all the people that got promoted could be fired before the season starts. Beeston was on the Fan and said the President could pick his own GM but he would strongly recommend AA be retained in this position. Heck AA could be fired himself. This is the situation you put yourself in when you hire a GM before the President. I'm not aware of any other club that does this.
Thomas - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:36 PM EDT (#207337) #
What's crazy with all these moves today is that all the people that got promoted could be fired before the season starts

When Keith Law was on the FAN he was asked about this situation (perhaps indirectly, I don't remember the exact wording). Anyhow, he said that he was confident that Anthopolous would remain GM when the new President is hired. He said it would be very difficult for the new President to fire or reassign Anthopolous and he speculated that Beeston possibly had already run Anthopolous by the name(s) he had in mind.

I'd be very surprised if the new President makes any personnel moves in the front office.

bball12 - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#207338) #
Some fun with numbers:

The entire Dunedin team could have healthy meals after each home game during the entire season -  at a price that is equivalent to what Vernon Wells makes in 2 (Two) at bats.

They would even have money let over for some nice desserts.



ayjackson - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#207339) #

We need to give him time to lay out his plan to the mainstream media and to see if there are gaps in what the those media ask him.

Oh there'll be gaps.

lexomatic - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#207340) #
as someone who was in teacher's college last year and quit because the system has so much wrong with it that i would be killing myself... i can say that this is pretty typical. the most inexperienced get placed in the least desireable positions, regardless of how important they are. for example many new teachers get stuck in the problem classes, because nobody's willing to teach those kids, when having an experienced and good teacher could make a serious difference in these kids lives. it literally could be the difference between a life in and out of prison compared to being a productive part of society.
frankly if  a jays affiliate was putting out bread and peanut butter before games, i would definitely address issues like this. It's one of those little things that probably all told would cost less than a player, but affect everyone positively. who knows if that makes the difference between a prospect panning out or not?

Impossibles - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#207341) #

Some fun with numbers: The entire Dunedin team could have healthy meals after each home game during the entire season -  at a price that is equivalent to what Vernon Wells makes in 2 (Two) at bats.
They would even have money let over for some nice desserts.

Sad thing is you're probably being generous.

$20m/650 AB's = $30.7k.

25 players X $10 per head X 70 game sched = $17500 (don't argue cost per person, this is just for reference)

Thomas - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#207342) #
Carlos Gomez there with the worst playoff baserunning since Jeremy Giambi.
bball12 - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#207343) #
Impossibles,

I made it $20 per head - because I'm fat. LOL

In all seriousness,  you dont have to be the worlds greatest administrator/businessman to figure out a way to feed your young investments (at the High A level) a decent and healthy meal after home games.

If the money is so tight - LOL - you can add about 2 pennies to the price of the Toronto Blue Jays tickets - and that would do it.



Jdog - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#207345) #
Carlos Gomez there with the worst playoff baserunning since Jeremy Giambi.


Alex Rios just needs an opportunity to show the world what he is capable of in this category
Mylegacy - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#207346) #

The Good: AA made a move by shuffling the pieces he knows - and he moved fast!.

The Bad: Does he know anything else?

The Ugly: Apparently, Lalonde's move to "professional" scouting is because there may be "Trades" - shudder - Halladay?

Alex Obal - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#207347) #
Apropos of nothing.

A Challenge!

King Ryan - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#207348) #
What do most of these guys (including AA) have in common? Hint: They aint Swedish...
Alex Obal - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#207349) #
... and what, exactly, is Joe Girardi doing here?
King Ryan - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#207350) #
Alex: I cannot BELIEVE how poorly I did on that!  I didnt expect to do well, but still...I named 10 and gave up.  Yikes!
Dave Till - Friday, October 09 2009 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#207353) #
Speaking of challenges, here's one of my favourites: name the career accomplishment that Sandy Koufax and Rance Mulliniks have in common.
Gerry - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#207354) #

Shi Davidi has some interesting quotes from AA in today's Globe.

“Instead of trying to go toe-to-toe and dollar-for-dollar in terms of player acquisition and so on — and I think one day we may be able to do that with the fan base here and the upside of the market — where we stand today, let's go toe-to-toe with staffing, let's go toe-to-toe in terms of employees.

“If we can get the best scouts, the best player development people that can come in here, the results from the players side that we're going to see from a development and talent aquisition standpoint, whether it's trade or drafting, should lead to great results up in Toronto.”

And

"Scouting and development is very important to me,” he said. “It's going to be the pillar of what we do here.”

It sounds to me that the new direction is towards more player development and less big spending.

Wildrose - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#207355) #
Now that Blair has become somewhat of a general sports columnist, in my opinion Davidi is the best beat writer following the Jays.
After these recent moves it appears the team is moving towards trying to reinvent itself much along the lines of the early eighties when the Jays were renowned  for their scouting prowess ( in fact I expect the new team president to be associated with that era).
Off course this type of development model needs sufficient funds and the patience of ownership to see long term results.

One aspect that has changed since the eighties is the influence of research and sabermetrics on the decision making process. Most progressive teams have several active sabermetricians on staff, the Blue Jays apparently have only guy , Harry Einbender, that apparently does baseball research. I'd like to see this change. Law called AA, " intellectual" , so we'll see.

Wildrose - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#207356) #
Jeremy Sandler has a pretty good article in the Post about the teams direction. He points out that LaCava is quite tight with AA.

Tony LaCava, an assistant general manager in charge of player personnel under Ricciardi and a close friend of Anthopoulos, is Toronto's new director of player development.

No doubt Tony will be influential,

"Really, Tony is a guy that I have a very close relationship with, he understands the way I think, my thought process, where I would like this organization to move towards,"

Also, and I've seen this mentioned in several places, they appear to placing a premium on pro scouting.

Anthopoulos said the team will put a renewed focus on Latin America and pro scouting, with the GM noting two-thirds of big league players land on rosters as a result of pro scouting.

Look for lots of trades, waiver acquisitions and so forth from other teams.

 

Alex Obal - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#207357) #
I have a dumb question. What do teams learn about players through pro scouting, that enables them to make more informed decisions about those players? (Or, what do pro scouts do, exactly?)

Investing in player development definitely sounds like a very good idea.
Magpie - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#207358) #
What do teams learn about players through pro scouting

I suspect the phrase "pro scouting" is used as a catchall here, and in particular it also covers the whole area of advance scouting. All teams do advance scouting, and they do it all the time. When you're playing the Yankees next week, someone is scouting them before your guys play them. The Yankees themselves (natch!) were well known for devoting a lot of resources to this.
DH - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#207359) #
Woud JJ Hardy and Mat Gamel not look decent as part of a package for Roy?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-11-rogers-whispers,0,1352594.story

Gerry - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#207360) #

There are two parts to pro scouting, one is the advance scouting.  The other is general scouting on every player in the majors and upper levels of the minors.  Major league players approaching free agency are scouted, possible non-tenders, newer players who might be involved in a trade some day.  In addition all AAA and AA  players are scouted and some teams actively scout below that.  When the Reds agreed to take Rolen the Jays had to know who to ask for, whether that player was on the Reds major league or minor league rosters.  The Blue Jays would have a scouting file on every player above AA in the other 29 teams organizations.  That is 87 teams and over 2,200 players.  By the time an opposing player reaches the majors the Blue Jays should have three to five scouting reports on the player and by the end of his first year they would have several more.

Most clubs have about six to eight pro scouts.  One or two might be advance scouts although these days some of that work is done on video.  The other pro scouts usually split the other 29 teams.  Some teams do it by league so a pro scout might have the NL Central as his territory.  That means he scouts the major league and minor leagues of each team in the NL central.  That gives him 18 teams at AA or above to scout.  Scouts usually follow a team for 4 or 5 days to try and see all the pitchers and the relievers and see the position players over several days.  18 teams times 5 days each is 90 days.  If you see them twice in a season that's 180 days.  Impossible to do since the minor league season is 150 days or so.

More scouts would give each scout less teams to cover so they could see each team more often.  It could also allow scouts to follow teams as low as high A.  This could help a team with a trade or sometimes they might pick up a useful arm who was released by another team.  Sometimes a change of scenery works for a player.

Sometimes the best deals are when you get a player at A ball "thrown in" to a deal.  If you scout well you can pick up a good player while the other team might look at the player being traded as a long shot because he is two years away from the majors. 

Back in 2005 I interviewed Blue Jay pro scout Kimball Crossley.  Here is that interview and in it he explains his job.

Alex Obal - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#207361) #
Thanks Gerry.
Alex Obal - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#207362) #
And Magpie.
Thomas - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 05:51 PM EDT (#207363) #
Seconded. Very informative, Gerry.
dan gordon - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#207364) #

Something we can look for from the Blue Jays under Anthopoulos is more of a running, bunting, sacrificing kind of offense.  I read an article on the Slam website quoting Alex as saying he likes the Angels way of playing the game, the way they run the bases, the "fundamentals".  No doubt there are fans who will agree with this approach and others who will disagree.  For several years the Angels have been the type of team that doesn't draw a lot of walks, that likes "free swingers", that runs a lot, etc.  I for one, do not think this is the best approach - I prefer the patient type hitter who draws walks, works the count, wears down the opposing starter, and hits home runs.  I hate the bunt, except in very rare circumstances, and think the stolen base is over rated because of the high cost of the caught stealing (taking a runner off the bases, plus putting an out up on the scoreboard).  Gaston has never been one to use the bunt much, which is one of the few things I like about him, so he may not be the type of manager AA wants, but on the other hand I believe Alex has said that he wants Gaston as the manager, so who knows.  Not looking forward to the Jays adapting the Angels-type offensive strategy, but let's see to what extent that actually happens.  Not like they have a lot of patient hitters on the team now anyway, but if they start bunting a lot, count me out.

christaylor - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 06:45 PM EDT (#207365) #
Terrible. Gamel has an iron glove (the Jays have enough poor fielding at the moment) and JJ Hardy could be all but done as he was a lousy hitter and not that great of a defensive SS to begin with. Unless Fielder is part of that package, it'd not even touch that package. As neither Hardy nor Gamel (well maybe but not on a team that'd have a tough time finding a position for Gamel) are players this team can really build around.

On the other hand if the Brewers will take a young arm (or two) for Hardy/Gamel that's another story...
christaylor - Saturday, October 10 2009 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#207366) #
The amusing thing is that when the Angels have had success they've done it by having high OBPs. That's what helps the team win. I believe their SB% is also usually good, which there's no way that could be accomplished by having players on the Jays run more.

The bunt is just a bad play most of the time in baseball, as Earl Weaver is pre-ported to have said, "Play for one run, get one run."

I really hope AA is just giving lip service to the traditional ideas about why the Angels win and trying to emulate them as was done by JP many times (although tried by Gibbons the year that got him fired which ended up in things like the Asdrubal Cabrera unassisted triple play against the Jays).
S P - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 01:59 AM EDT (#207368) #
The next frontier of Moneyball: nutrition and fitness. I love it. Teams like ours have got to innovate, period. That's what Moneyball is all about.

I am also very excited about the renewed focus on professional scouting. Amateur scouting and player development is great, but like someone pointed out above, 2/3 of rosters are filled by professional scouting. This is how Tampa got Ben Zobrist, Pena, and Garza, how Boston got Ortiz, etc.  I believe JP had a very good track record, but it lacks in impact acquisitions like those.
Magpie - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 04:24 AM EDT (#207369) #
This years Angels (2nd in the league in runs scored) were 3rd in OnBase, 4th in slugging and didn't steal bases particularly well (148 SB, 70% success rate; league average was about 74%.) They also did a good job at staying out of the double play - partially thanks to the 211 SB attempts and the 56 sac bunts, which led the league.
christaylor - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 01:12 PM EDT (#207373) #
I hadn't looked at the stats but that confirms my intuitions. There seems to be a meme out there that "the Angels don't care about OBP" -- which is usually at least somewhat if not dead wrong. The Angels are very much a high OBP team (which is weird when people say they are an anti-Moneyball team as Moneyball brought OBP to the public consciousness -- even if that was the driving point of the book).

The Angels SB% surprises me but it might be a function of giving too many players with speed but bad base-stealling instincts the green light.

On the other hand it might be fun to see the Jays lead the league in sac bunts just to hear Wilner's head explode on the radio (don't get me wrong, I'm a big Wilner fan and a regular listener but it seems too much of his time is spent on explaining why the SAC bunt isn't the automatic smart play so many think it is).

Off topic: Really enjoying the online playoff mlb postseason.tv coverage... especially since the LAA/BOS game is nowhere to be found on cable in my area. $9.95 for the post-season is quite reasonable.
christaylor - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#207374) #
Zobrist/Garza were in trades (and Garza for a 1st round pick), so I don't believe they count in the same way the Pena/Ortiz pickups do.

JP lacked an impact pickup (his were mostly free pen acquisitions and Scott Richmond) but free impact acquisitions are quite rare I'm sure. Cust and Branyan come to mind, which suggests a pattern -- power hitters that are slow to develop or have/had skill that have only started to be appreciated in the second half-of this decade.
Mike Green - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#207375) #
Ascribing the acquisition of Garza, Bartlett and Ortiz to pro scouting doesn't make much sense to me.  Tampa did not need a pro scout to tell them what Garza and Bartlett could do.  It was well known by anyone who watched or studied the game; the debate (such as it was) was whether it was worth giving up a potential superstar in Delmon Young to acquire them (personally I thought that it was a no-brainer).  When Ortiz was acquired, he had hit .272/.339/.500 for Minnesota the previous year at age 26.  It did not take a pro scout to tell you that the man could hit.  What it did take was a GM to realize that his talent was undervalued at $2 million per annum; it seemed completely obvious to me at the time.

Similarly when the Angels acquired Bobby Abreu for $5 million this past off-season, you certainly didn't need a pro scout to tell you that the man could still play.  I wrote that Rally was probably buying beers for the house when the acquisition was made.

TamRa - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#207376) #
Scouting or no scouting, I don't think anyone could reasonably have anticipated the year that Zobrist and Batlett had this year.


Gerry - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#207379) #
And somewhere Adam Lind is smiling
Jim - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#207380) #
Yes, those of us who are stuck watching the Red Sox closely weren't kidding when we said Papelbon was a shell of himself.
greenfrog - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 04:55 PM EDT (#207382) #
"Yes, those of us who are stuck watching the Red Sox closely weren't kidding when we said Papelbon was a shell of himself."

It's clear Papelbon wasn't effective today, but the Angels deserve a lot of credit for *winning* the game (as opposed to the Red Sox' losing it). They played a great series and slammed the door on Boston, thereby preventing them from mounting yet another series comeback. Boston fans might want to blame Papelbon, but this series was two-thirds lost before game three even started.

Difference of perspective I guess.
brent - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 06:50 PM EDT (#207383) #
christaylor, it must be nice not to have a 30 team blackout.
christaylor - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#207384) #
30 team blackout - why? Even for "postseason.tv" which I subscribed to and get the sense is different from mlb.tv (perhaps no blackout in home).

Or perhaps I'm missing something, you're not running some ultra-rare variant of Unix/Linux with no capabilities or something -- just curious why everything is blacked out for you.
Flex - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#207386) #
30-team blackout.

I think he means because Canadian viewers appear to be blocked entirely from MLB-TV for the playoffs.
ramone - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 11:18 PM EDT (#207387) #

AA hires an assistant:

 "The Blue Jays will hire Nationals scouting director Dana Brown as a special assistant to new GM Alex Anthopoulos, according to Bob Elliot of The Toronto Sun."

christaylor - Sunday, October 11 2009 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#207388) #
Um. I'm in Canada and all of the playoff.tv is available to me. For only $10.

I guess there's the issue of not ponying-up the $10, but I believe all the mlb.tv sign-up agreements list "the season", which is, I suppose technically done.
Spifficus - Monday, October 12 2009 @ 01:22 AM EDT (#207393) #
If I remember right, the 30 team blackout afflicting Brent is because he's in Korea. There are ways to, uhmm, pretend you're in a more favorable spot, but I don't know of any that would work in Korea (I have no reason to think they wouldn't work, but without testing I couldn't recommend).
christaylor - Monday, October 12 2009 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#207405) #
I suppose this ought to be directed at brent but I have a pal who uses Hotspot Shield (by Anchor Free) and it works to fool mlb.tv... he's not in Korea, but in Taiwan which I would expect have the same problems.

That said a 30 team blackout for Korea? Are MLB games even available anywhere on Korea?

That said, I can think of one technical reason for not allowing mlb.tv to Asia - quality of the broadcast (quality control - my pal in Taiwan says the audio is usually fine but the video is not always) and one business (perhaps someone owns the rights already and even though the games aren't shown a deal is a deal).
Dewey - Monday, October 12 2009 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#207423) #
Been doing some googling on Dana Brown, the new personal assistant to Alex (seems like a nice boy) Anthopolous.  Brown seems like a good guy to have around.  He was the one who hired AA when with the Expos.  I like it.
rikley - Tuesday, October 13 2009 @ 02:21 AM EDT (#207434) #

christaylor,

I live in Korea and for the past few years I have been able to watch ALL 30 teams games. There are no blackouts in Korea. Even if the fine print on the mlb.com does seem to say otherwise..

 

FranklyScarlet - Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 07:00 AM EDT (#207478) #
Flex - Wednesday, October 14 2009 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#207493) #
The only interesting thing to me that Ricciardi says is that he was asked to move his family to Toronto last year (when Beeston took over, presumably), and he refused. I guess he didn't see the point, being so close to the end of his contract. Of course, he didn't see the point at the beginning, either.

The last line of the piece says a lot to me. Not a quote by Ricciardi, but the writer's, a snide remark about Ricciardi not having to pack his passport now every time he leaves the house. Typical American parochialism. And it kind of reflects the fact that Ricciardi never made one ounce of effort at embracing Toronto as anything more than a place to go to work.

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