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After 20 games in 20 days, they've earned their day of rest.

Since their last off day (April 20), another starter (Ricky Romero) joined Jesse Litsch (and Shaun Marcum and Dustin McGowan) on the Disabled List. One of the five starters being counted on at the start of the season was found wanting, and dispatched to Las Vegas to get his act together. The first man summoned from AAA to fill the void lost both his starts and posted an ERA of 14.21 while he was at it.

It's not like there haven't been challenges along the way.

Nevertheless, they played .600 ball during this Tough Stretch - and seeing as how I announced ahead of time that I would be "more than pleased if they can split these 20 games," I am - more than pleased.

I am delighted!

It doesn't get easier, though. Up next is a 16 game stretch. We begin with a 7 game homestand on Tuesday as the team finally begins to lock horns with the Famous Beasts of the Easts. After the three game set with the Yankees, the White Sox are here for four games. Then it's a nine game roadtrip, taking the Jays to Boston, Atlanta, and Baltimore before the next Day of Rest and Recuperation. That will be the 28th of May, by which time some of the missing pitchers may be trickling back into action.

Again, I will be satsified if they can come away with a split during this Tough Stretch - something like a 4-3 homestand, a 4-5 road trip. These are the parts of the schedule that you're just trying to survive.

You may not have noticed, but only one team in the American League (Tampa Bay) has played more road games than the Blue Jays.

Cito Gaston got adventurous during the last 20 games - he actually used Kevin Millar twice as a pinch-hitter (once for Overbay, once for Snider). He's now used four pinch-hitters over the course of 32 games (the other two, however - Snider and McDonald -  were pinch-hitting as late inning subs in blowouts.) At this rate, Gaston will use some 20 pinch hitters over the course of the season. This is quite a lot of pinch-hitting by Cito Gaston's standards. You could look it up.

Brandon League seemed to have his act together - he made 7 appearances during this 20 game stretch. The first five were perfect, and the six was at least scoreless. Alas, the last one was pretty disastrous. But that will happen. You do have to like the way that Scott Downs only allows the other team to score runs when he has at least a four run cushion to work with.

The bullpen has just 6 saves, despite winning 22 games - this is something that happens when you score lots of runs. The save situations disappear. Anyway, the starters - all nine of them - have gone 15-9, 4.34. That's the fourth best performance in the AL so far (behind LA, KC and Detroit.). The bullpen is 7-3, 3.66, which is fifth best (behind Oakland, KC, Boston, and Seattle.) The staff as a whole has the fourth best ERA in the league.

And the offense has scored more runs than anyone in the major leagues. Quite a few more, in fact. Okay, Scutaro and Hill will cool off. But Rios and Wells will heat up. Snider will, eventually, hit another home run. There is no reason they can't keep scoring runs.

So let's just get through this Tough Stretch Ahead...
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Flex - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 10:55 AM EDT (#199753) #
Magpie, you have become a master of low expectations.
ayjackson - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#199755) #
Gawd love 'em, Fangraphs now have in-season ZiPS revisions added to player pages.
davidcanavan - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#199756) #
Does Cecil remind anyone else of a bigger Ted Lilly? His curve ball was impressive yesterday (Lillyesque) when he stayed on top of it, which is excellent considering a knock on him coming out of college was that he only had the fastball/slider combo.
Mike Green - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:06 AM EDT (#199757) #
Lyle Overbay seems to have his mojo back.  I'd like to see Cito pinch-hitting him for Millar when the opposing manager brings in a righty.  I understand the desire to keep Snider out of the pinch-hitting role at this stage, but Overbay is a veteran and a superior defender (although Millar is OK). 

Four out of the five coming opponents are below .500 (wink), so 11-9 seems like a decent goal.  Kick them when they're down...

Ducey - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#199758) #

speaking of low expectations, what was up with Cito pulling Fraser yesterday after one pitch in a 5-0 game?

Given all the starting competition arriving from the farm and DL soon, I think Mr Purcey better get an apartment in Las Vegas.

Magpie - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#199759) #
what was up with Cito pulling Fraser yesterday after one pitch in a 5-0 game?

They looked like they were chuckling about it. It was another make-work session (the starters lately have been good enough that Gaston is having to work at keeping his relievers active.). The RH batter for Frasor, the LH batters for Carlson.
chris_jays - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#199760) #
Looking ahead to the game tomorrow.

Rolen is 0 for 18 historically against Burnett while Overbay is 0 for 9. Millar also has horrible numbers as well.

Any chance Rolen sits or how much weight should we put into these numbers?

Chuck - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#199761) #
Any chance Rolen sits or how much weight should we put into these numbers?

If I were a batting man: Scutaro, Hill, Rios, Wells, Lind, Rolen, Overybay, Barajas, Snider. Yes, life is scary out here on this limb.
Gerry - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:25 AM EDT (#199762) #

I'd like to see Cito pinch-hitting him for Millar when the opposing manager brings in a righty.

I wonder if Cito became averse to pinch-hitting from watching Bobby Cox managing.  Cox loved to platoon and would pinch-hit at the first opportunity.  Opposing managers knew that if they went R-L-R or L-R-L against Cox they would often end up with the favourable match-up late in the game.  Cox would use a pinch-hitter in the sixth or seventh inning and have nothing left in the ninth.  Cito talks about it being a player confidence issue but maybe Bobby Cox is in there somewhere.

Mike Green - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 11:42 AM EDT (#199764) #
Right, Gerry.  I guess that I am of the view that Overbay is simply a better player than Millar at this stage of their careers.  It reminds me of the Mulliniks/Iorg situation, although the difference between the players is not as extreme.

For his career, Overbay is .270/.312/.409 against LHP.  For his career, Millar is .276/.363/.439 against LHP, plus he's older.   It isn't really a huge deal if Overbay faces a RHP in the sixth and then a lefty in the eighth. 

R Billie - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#199771) #
Lefties have been a problem for Overbay though, particularly in the period after his hand injury.

2006: .694 ops, 162 ab, 5.2 ab/k
2007: .794 ops, 108 ab, 4.5 ab/k
2008: .540 ops, 149 ab, 3.6 ab/k
2009: .388 ops, 15 ab, 3.8 ab/k

So he's seen a sharp decrease in his production and a 40% increase in his strikeout rate against lefties, both his contact and power suffer greatly.  Mainly offspeed pitches have been his issue.  Maybe you can rely on some degree of rebound to his better years as he gets further from the hand injury but if you're competing to win a division, I think you have to pinch hit for the guy when game situations call for it.  It's not like Overbay is still a young player that you're trying to develop.

Magpie - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#199772) #
It's not like Overbay is still a young player that you're trying to develop.

This will all be fine. Overbay's a pro - he wants to be in there every day, he's always been an everyday player. But: a) he's a legitimate good guy; b) he's never played a post-season game in his life, and winning makes everyone happy; c) he can see that Millar has earned a few ABs.
John Northey - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#199774) #
Just looking at the AL East rotations...
Jays: 9(!) starters, 4 over 100 for ERA+, 1 sub 50 (Burres).  Starts by 100+=18, 16 by sub 100
Red Sox: 6 starters, 1 over 100 for ERA+ (Wakefield), 1 sub 50 (Matsuzaka).  6 starts by 100+, 26 by sub 100's (only Masterson is over 80 outside of Wake)
NYY: 6 starters, 3 over 100 for ERA+, 1 sub 50 (Wang).  19 starts by 100+, 12 by sub 100.  Hughes has a 55 ERA+ covering for Wang's 14.
Rays: 5 starters, 2 over 100 for ERA+, other 3 are in the 80's.  14 starts by 100+, 19 by sub 100. 

Note: The Rays are still using the same 12 pitchers they broke camp with.  Last year they had a total of 9 starts by guys other than their big 5.  Their conditioning coaches/medical team deserve a lot of marks for that.
Magpie - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#199776) #
By the way - in my mind, I had a roster move all planned out to happen right about now.

The Jays would option Joe Inglett to AAA and purchase the contract of Travis Snider, who's simply been destroying the PCL. Adam Lind would move from LF to DH (replacing the Inglett-Millar combo that had filled the spot for the first month).

Snider likely wouldn't have enough service time to qualify as a Super Two after 2010 (in my world, he doesn't come up last September!) and wouldn't be FA eligible until after 2015.

Silly, silly me. Looking out for the team's money as if it were my own. Normally I never do that!
John Northey - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#199779) #

If the Jays did every move possible to minimize costs post 2009 we'd have missed...

Romero: leave him down for a month to ensure no super-two status, injured in AAA and forgotten
Snider: no Sept/no April thus in AAA and viewed as a super prospect but still unproven at all
Inglett: on ML DL instead of AAA, thus getting some scrub called up to cover DH/LF while Snider left in AAA
Cecil and Ray: might still be in AAA to ensure no super-two status

What would that have cost the Jays?  Using someone like Clement and other AAA scrubs to start instead of Cecil/Romero/Ray and someone who is in AAA right now in LF or DH instead of Snider.  Plus paying a ML salary to Inglett to be on the DL (or he'd be healthy and a platoon DH/LF).  Odds are they'd be behind the Red Sox, still feeling reasonable but pushing the DL'ed pitchers (Litsch & Janssen) hard to get back to the majors.  I think I prefer what we have and let Rogers worry about the cash in a few years.

Mike Green - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#199781) #
Incidentally, here are the end-of-season ZiPS projections for the Jay regulars (which take into account the current results):

Scutaro- .270/.370/.401
Hill-         .311/.358/.466
Rios-      .280/.334/.448
Wells-     .277/.331/.451
Lind-       .298/.356/.487
Rolen-    .276/.348/.427
Overbay- .266/.354/.447
Barajas-  .275/.320/.450
Snider-     .250/.304/.415

The lineup remains projected to be pretty flat, but at a high level. 

Richard S.S. - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#199785) #

Day-to-day matchups are more important now.  Who pitches -vs- who; which relievers can pitch in a game; who is missing from a lineup?   Are the opponents hot or slumping?  Everything is relevant.

Cassey Janssen should rejoin the team 17th-18th May -vs- CH(AL) making a roster move(s) very interesting.  (The team now has 6 starters.)  Ricky Romero should rejoin the team 23rd-24th May @ ATL making a roster move(s) also very interesting.  (The team now has 7 starters.)  Jesse Litsch should rejoin the team sometime after the 28th (earliest) - 5th June (latest).  (The team now has 8 starters.)  Fabio Castro is pitching well enough for a look.

Jeremy Accardo is now pitching very well and could rejoin the staff when needed.  However, no one, except Brian Wolfe, on the current bullpen has any options left, so waiver clearance would be involved.  Long reliever verses short reliever is the decision.

I think the next 20 will be at least 12-8 to 14-6; unless the competition is worst than expected.

Magpie - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#199787) #
One would expect the following:

Janssen for Ray
Romero for Cecil
Litsch for Murphy (Tallet back to the pen)

Of course, if Cecil insists on throwing eight scoreless every time out, the preceding statements are inoperative, as they used to say at the White House.
Mike Green - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#199789) #
I don't know.  Cecil looks to me to be the best of the lot, by far.  He might be moved to the bullpen, a la David Price, at some point this season, to step up his seasonal workload slowly.  The target might be 130-160 innings.  My guess is that it will be Janssen for Ray, and Romero for Murphy, with Tallet moving  back to the pen.  Litsch probably won't be back until June, and the club will figure out then what to do depending on the health of everyone. 




ayjackson - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#199790) #

So it's Doc, Richmond and Tallet for the Yankees.  The options for Friday versus the Pale Hose are Ray and Cecil.  The options for Saturday are Ray/Cecil and Janssen.  The options for Sunday are Doc.  The options for Monday are anybody but Doc.

I'm confused.

Magpie - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#199791) #
Four out of the five coming opponents are below .500 (wink), so 11-9 seems like a decent goal.

I think the next 20 will be at least 12-8 to 14-6; unless the competition is worst than expected.


Easy, easy! Only 16 games this time until the next day of Rest and Recuperation and Reassessment!  Seven at home, and nine on the road.

Again, I'll be pleased with a split!
Mike Green - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#199792) #
Yeah, yeah.  I'm a tougher sell.  9-7, please. 

It'll be interesting to get a read on the interleague play.  My guess is that the leagues are quite a bit closer than they were 5 years ago, but that is purely subjective. 
Mylegacy - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#199794) #
Two of NY's guys AJ and CC are both lefties so we'll have our righty "platoon" for two of the three games...

The respective batting orders and pitchers look as follows as of this date:

(BA / OBP / SLG / HR / Runs / RBI)

Jeter  273 / 347 / 409 / 4 / 19 / 13
Scutero 278 / 406 / 444 / 5 / 32 / 18

Damon 314 / 388 / 610 / 9 / 23 / 25
Hill 353 / 394 / 549 / 8 / 25 / 29

Teixeira 198 / 338 / 434 / 7 / 18 17
Rios 255 / 311 / 386 / 3 / 19 / 17

Rodriquez 182 / 250 / 455 / 1 / 1 / 3
Wells 283 / 335 / 462 / 5 / 24 / 21

Matsui 265 / 360 / 439 / 3 / 9 / 12
Rolen 304 / 363 / 446 / 3 / 19 /12

Swisher 270 / 398 / 620 / 8 / 22 / 21
Lind 333 / 405 / 561 6 / 20 /31

Cano 321 / 353 / 519 / 6 / 21 18
Millar 327 / 364 / 481 / 1 / 8 / 11

Cabrera 333 / 407 / 531 / 4 / 15 / 10
Barajas 319 / 350 / 511 / 3 / 12 /18

Cervelli 273 / 333 /273 / 0 / 2 / 0
Bautista 328 / 443 / 431 / 1 / 13 / 4

AJ   2 - 0, 5.26 37.2 /35 / 15 / 33
Roy 6 - 1, 3.29 52 / 51 / 7 / 44

Pettitte 2 - 1, 4.38 / 39 / 42 / 11 / 23
Richmond 4 - 1 3. 29 38.1 / 32 / 14 / 29

CC 2 - 3, 3.94 48 / 43 / 16 / 32
Tallet  2 - 1, 4.49 36.1 / 29 / 16 / 29

What does all this prove? Darned if I know... except that we match up very well. Interestingly, our "struggling" number 3 and 4 guys stack up very well against theirs. Not included in any of the stats is the defensive play - we're not chumps there either.

Dave Till - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 06:52 PM EDT (#199795) #
I wonder if Cito became averse to pinch-hitting from watching Bobby Cox managing.

Maybe; Cito was on hand when the Royals pulled the R-L-R maneuver in the 1985 ALCS. Another possibility: Cito realizes that the opposition can just change pitchers and take back the platoon advantage. (There aren't enough bench players any more to pinch-hit for a pinch hitter.)

This will all be fine. Overbay's a pro - he wants to be in there every day, he's always been an everyday player. But: a) he's a legitimate good guy; b) he's never played a post-season game in his life, and winning makes everyone happy; c) he can see that Millar has earned a few ABs.

I seem to recall reading that Overbay is cool with this, since the Jays are winning.

At this rate, Gaston will use some 20 pinch hitters over the course of the season. This is quite a lot of pinch-hitting by Cito Gaston's standards. You could look it up.

Something that no one has commented on (as far as I know): to the best of my knowledge, Cito hasn't used the hit and run once all year. (John Gibbons used to do it once a game.) This fits in with Cito's philosophy of telling the hitters to zone in and attack the baseball.

I think Cito is switching pitchers a bit more than he did back in the day.

I would be very happy with a split of the next set of games. A decent record after the next 16 games would silence the critics who are pointing out that the Jays haven't faced their divisional rivals yet. Or it would vindicate them. One or the other.
Anders - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#199798) #
Two of NY's guys AJ and CC are both lefties so we'll have our righty "platoon" for two of the three games...

If AJ learned how to throw lefthanded since he left the Jays he certainly does deserve that fat contract...
Mylegacy - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#199799) #
OOOOOOOOOPS....er Pettitte and CC.

ALSO - ESPN is "reporting" on their " toronto schedule" page that Halladay is being used on the fourth day instead of the fifth against the White Sox so he can go twice against the Red Sox in upcoming series'. ALSO - the same site shows Richmond following Roy on the fourth day. It looks like we're going to a four pitcher rotation - Roy, Richmond, Tallet, Cecil. Anyone heard anything about this? Is ESPN's "schedule" page every right? The Blue Jays "Probable Pitchers" section of the Jay's official site doesn't project that far in the future yet.

Interesting....

ayjackson - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 10:32 PM EDT (#199800) #
I don't know much about that ESPN page, but Janssen didn't get his rehab start today, as planned.  Assuming he goes tomorrow, he would be on course to start on Sunday.  Cecil could go Friday and Doc on Saturday, Janssen on Sunday and Richmond on Monday.  I think if I had to guess, it has been decided that Doc has moved up to Saturday, but the Janssen promotion for Sunday is still pending.  Once the Janssen promotion is confirmed, back to a five man rotation? [Doc, Janssen, Richmond, Cecil, Tallet]
chris_jays - Monday, May 11 2009 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#199801) #
ayjackson.

I believe that Janssen was scheduled to start tomorrow for AA New Hampshire with Romero going on Wednesday. Janssen last started Thursday so this gives him the required 4 days of rest.

brent - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 08:06 AM EDT (#199807) #
I have got to say that this next game has me more excited than any blue jay game in years.
John Northey - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#199810) #

Some quick checks for tonight via BR...

AJ: 6 starts, 2+ runs allowed in all of them, 3+ in his last 4 but just once has he allowed more than 4 runs so far.  5+ IP in all starts, once threw 7 on the nose, another time 8.

Halladay: 7 starts, 3 times just 1 run, but twice 5 runs.  7-8 IP per start every time.

Roy has thrown 15 more IP while allowing 1 less HR, 8 fewer walks, with 11 more K's.

Both teams had yesterday off, so the pens should be in good shape.  Rivera threw 23 pitches two days ago though so he probably will be given the day off if possible.  League and Wolfe have sat for a week and Camp is up to 5 days off.  Carlson will probably be no more than a one batter pitcher for tonight after getting into the last two games (total of 15 pitches).

If the Jays win tonight it will be the franchises 200th win vs the Yankees.  The Yanks need a sweep to get to 250 wins all time vs the Jays.

92-93 - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#199811) #
I sure hope Carlson is available for more than one batter tonight, otherwise it was a terrible decision to take Frasor out after one pitch and go to Carlson in a 5-0 game.
Magpie - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#199812) #
I sure hope Carlson is available for more than one batter tonight

Why wouldn't he be? He threw 6 pitches on Sunday afternoon. It's Tuesday night.

These guys are not made of glass.
Richard S.S. - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#199814) #

Toronto has a major decision period just ahead, who starts the 16th-18th May?  If Roy has a two hour special,  complete game on 90 pitches, then he pitches the 16th, guarenteed.  Anything else is Roy's decision and his alone.  If he does, he pitches the 3rd game in both Boston series.  Casey Janssen follows Halladay in the pitching order.  If Roy doesn't, he misses both series; Ray (or hot pitcher from AAA) will pitch the 16th, followed by Halladay and Janssen. 

If Roy starts the 16th,  Toronto's next decision will occur when Ricky Romero rejoins the team 23rd May (presently expected).  Which left hander stays in the rotation, the 25th (or 26th if Roy doesn't), Cecil or Tallet? 

The 3rd and last major decision for this month, occurs with days off, 28th May and 1st June.  When does Jesse Litsch return, and what's the new rotation looking like?

chris_jays - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#199815) #
Is BJ Ryan coming back this weekend?

Jerry Crasnick's article on ESPN today said that he was expected to rejoin the club this weekend against the White Sox.

adrianveidt - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#199816) #
<i>These guys are not made of glass.</i>

What about Dustin "Mr. Glass" McGowan?
chris_jays - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#199817) #
Has anyone from the Blue Jays organization ever said that they are considering starting Roy on short rest on Saturday or is that just something that was dreamed up in the various blue jays sites.

I'm all for it. Just wondering if there is any realistic chance?

Gerry - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#199818) #
Ryan has now pitched three times in the minors so I would expect he would be back soon, assuming he is healthy.
Mike Green - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 02:06 PM EDT (#199819) #
It will be interesting what role Cito has Ryan in, when he returns. 
Jim - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#199822) #

I must be missing the logic of having Halladay pitch on 3 days rest in May?  Why would they do that?

smcs - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#199823) #

So the Jays have already used more starting pitchers this year (9) than they did all of last year (8).  I'm not really sure what this means, but I found that odd.

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#199824) #
The logic would be to have Janssen come back on Sunday instead of Ray.  Janssen is apparently throwing tonight for New Hampshire in his last rehab start. 

The rotation would then be Doc, Janssen, Richmond, Tallet, Cecil.  Ideally, you'd split up the lefties but nothing's perfect.

chris_jays - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#199825) #
It would also allow halladay to face the red sox twice in the upcoming 2 series as opposed to not at all.
christaylor - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#199828) #
I only glanced at it this morning on the GO bus but did Griffin get the ages of Doc/AJ wrong? Calling Doc 32 and AJ 31?

Why did I just glance at it? I found it on the bus and quickly decided after about two paragraphs and some skimming into the Jays reporting that reading a book called "Monte Carlo Simulation" was more interesting than any hyperbole about "opening day II". I did see that 30,000 (after walk-ups) were predicted for tonight. I'll take the under but I'll be happy if I'm wrong.

Also, for betting men, the Jays are -125 tonight (IRC). I'd lay $20 on the Jays tonight especially as an underdog. I don't think there's any reason the Jays ought to ever be underdogs with Roy on the bump at home.

Just about anything happening in this series wouldn't surprise me; which is an awkward way of saying, I'll be unsurprised by absolutely everything over the next three days. A-Rod showing up at the Brass Rail (or another local adult entertainment establishment) has to be given though...
chris_jays - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#199829) #
Why the hell you gotta be so negative in regards to the attendance?
Mike Green - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#199830) #
The Jays as an underdog at home with Doc on the mound?  Have the Yankees somehow managed to resurrect Walter Johnson c. 1912 to pitch tonight's game, or is  it the faint memory of Sandy Koufax c. 1965 that we will have the pleasure of watching?  Nope, it's A.J. Burnett.  I guess the oddsmakers are sticking with the idea that the Yankees are a 100+ team and the Jays are a 75- team.  Cognitive dissonance. 
Pistol - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#199831) #
Also, for betting men, the Jays are -125 tonight (IRC). I'd lay $20 on the Jays tonight especially as an underdog. I don't think there's any reason the Jays ought to ever be underdogs with Roy on the bump at home.

The Jays -125 means they're the favorite (bet $125 to win $100).
Mylegacy - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#199834) #
Replacement Level Yankees web site is listing the Yankees starting lineup tonight as follows:

New York Yankees
B. Gardner, CF (.227/.288/.273)
J. Damon, LF (.314/.388/.610)
M. Teixeira, 1B (.198/.338/.434)
A. Rodriguez, 3B (.182/.250/.455)
H. Matsui, DH (.265/.360/.439)
R. Cano, 2B (.321/.353/.519)
M. Cabrera, RF (.333/.407/.531)
K. Cash, C (- /- /-)
R. Pena, SS (.279/.340/.302)

Two through seven look impressive(ish).
ayjackson - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 06:30 PM EDT (#199835) #

The rotation would then be Doc, Janssen, Richmond, Tallet, Cecil.  Ideally, you'd split up the lefties but nothing's perfect.

If I recall, the lefties would  only line up until the next off day (28th?) then Doc on five days' rest could slot in between Tallet and Cecil.

[which gets you to the next off day, i guess]

scottt - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 06:32 PM EDT (#199836) #
Two through seven look impressive(ish).

The names, yeah. The stats, not so much.

The Jays as an underdog at home with Doc on the mound?

I dunno. Accuscore is favoring Doc 65/35.

Has anyone from the Blue Jays organization ever said that they are considering starting Roy on short rest on Saturday or is that just something that was dreamed up in the various blue jays sites.

I dunno, but Cecil is listed for Friday at mlb.com.
Magpie - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 09:29 PM EDT (#199838) #
I've probably pointed this out before, but...

Roy Halladay is a Living God.
LouisvilleJayFan - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#199839) #
I've probably pointed this out before, but...

Roy Halladay is a Living God.

Indeed. I really hope he goes into the Hall of Fame as a Blue Jay.
rikley - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#199840) #

That is THE most excited I've been for a Jays game in....well it's too long ago to remember.

And, it couldn't have ended better with A.J getting pulled in the 8th and Doc pitching a complete game.

I am ridiculously giddy with excitement. Go Jays Go!

Mike Green - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#199842) #
Actually, you have never used the phrase "Living God" before to describe Doc.  "Incomparable", "Outstanding", "Deity", "Worship", "Bow Down" have often been used in various combinations though.

I am sure that he prefers having the run support.

smcs - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#199843) #
I was stuck at work tonight for this game, so I only managed to catch the top of the 9th.  Doc might have a future in this league.  If you aren't excited about the Jays by now, it ain't happening.  Either we get to see Roy Halladay do his thing, or one of our young studs (including Richmond) do their thing.  Doc Halladay and Pray for Rain this is not.
katman - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#199845) #
MLB.com:

"A.J. Burnett claims to have learned a lot from ace Roy Halladay during their days in the Blue Jays' rotation. Finding a way to beat Doc wasn't one of the lessons."

Ah hahahahaaaaaaa!

Gerry - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#199846) #
Great crowd at the game tonight, it was very loud all game.  There was very few Yankee fans so it was great to have 43,000 Blue Jay fans at the game.
Alex Obal - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#199847) #
Best part: Top 8. Man on first. One out. Batter: Kevin Cash. Halladay floats in a couple of 84-85 mph cutters. They kinda work. Cash flails hopelessly and misses. Eventually, Roy gets the desired result with a two-strike curveball. Barring injury, I think he's going to age just fine, especially if every hitter in the league is Kevin Cash.

Wish Jamie would have laid off AJ for the hat tip incident. Like, come on. In related news, Darrin Fletcher is still awesome, just in general.
Mike D - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#199848) #
Meh. The Jays continue to feast on a soft schedule.

(insert emoticon)
Gerry - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#199849) #
BJ Ryan is no longer the closer per JP
Dave Till - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#199850) #
That was acceptable.

It was fascinating to watch the transformation of Roy Halladay after the final out, from Man With Game Face On to Ordinary Really Happy Guy.

According to the broadcast, Rolen was 0-for-18 against Burnett before tonight's game.

Give some credit to Lyle Overbay for the win: he picked at least two sharply-hit balls. Plus he fielded about eight room-service grounders.

Doc won't need to run wind sprints now: he got a good workout running to cover first base. There's nobody like him.

TamRa - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#199851) #
In the interview here:

http://www.fan590.com/ondemand/media.jsp?content=20090512_152542_7128

JP is asked about how the rotation will shake out and he says, in essence, Tallet deservesto keep his spot, Richmond and Cecil are pitching very well, and maybe it's Ray who has to go down" then he goes on to say that as it stands now, if Janssen and Romero both do well in their next rehab start (and we now know Janssen idd) that:

"one of them will have to go to the bullpen and one in the rotation"

Presumably they aren't going to put Romero in the pen are they?

But yet, later when he's ask about Accardo he says that the late game innings he's suited for are already being covered well - but that's just the innings that Janssen got in 2007.

Eye-yi-yi-yi -yi


TamRa - Tuesday, May 12 2009 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#199852) #
On Baseball Tonight they pointed out that among pitchers with at least 20 decisions against the Yankees, the only pitcher with a better record than Doc is....Babe Ruth.


TamRa - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#199853) #
Dodgers lost tonight sooooooo...

The best team in Baseball at the close of play, May 12, 2009:

Your Toronto Blue Jays.



HollywoodHartman - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 01:54 AM EDT (#199855) #
So... No chance of starting Doc on 3 days rest so he can start against Boston?
Dave Till - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 07:08 AM EDT (#199861) #
Watching parts of the game again this morning reminded me of how much having good defense helps the Jays' pitchers.

The first batter of the game, Gardner, hit a high chopper up the middle; Doc tried to field it, but couldn't. Scutaro ranged well to his left, scooped up the ball, and threw to first on the run; many shortstops would not have made that play. I'm not sure that Jeter could have made it. (Aside: Cito gets bonus points for figuring out that Scutaro could play short every day. He's no Tony Fernandez out there, but he seems to be handling the position just fine.)

The second batter, Damon, hit a ball down the line; Snider got over there quickly, spun, and threw a strike to second. Damon might have been safe, actually (it was very close), but Snider made the close play possible.

A team with poorer defense might well have been faced with runners on second and third and nobody out; instead, the Jays had two out and nobody on. After that, Halladay went on cruise control.

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 09:22 AM EDT (#199865) #
Snider's play throwing out Damon was nice to watch. 

I don't get the booing of Burnett.  He's a good pitcher who exercised his rights, and now, as the reward/price for earning a few extra million, gets to have Derek Jeter and Robinson Cano field ground balls for him instead of Marco Scutaro and Aaron Hill.  Jeter and Cano may have the names, but that doesn't seem to help them get to balls any faster. 

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 09:27 AM EDT (#199866) #
And, two thumbs up for the organization's decision to bring Ryan back in a non-closer role. 

With Gaston and co. handling the game level decision-making/coaching so well, Ricciardi is free to worry only about the broader roster issues and in particular generating some position player depth out of the pitching surplus. 

James W - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 09:30 AM EDT (#199867) #

I don't get the booing of Burnett.  He's a good pitcher who exercised his rights...

and in doing so, said "I don't want to play here." 

As well, in the majority's opinion, he underperformed while he was here.

ayjackson - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#199868) #

For the most part, I don't think there's anything behind the booing - many just enjoy getting into the mob mentality at the ball game.  The people booing were probably the same people giving him a standing O last year, when they knew he was going to opt out for the big bucks.

It's a simple equation for the common fan: player opts out of contract + signs with Yankees = booing + high fives + spilt beer.

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#199869) #
Burnett went where the money was.  The money saved on his contract may come in very handy for the Jays in July.
Ryan Day - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 09:39 AM EDT (#199870) #
I think it's less that he left for more money than it is that he left for more money with the Yankees. If he'd signed with the O's, I don't think most people would have really cared.
Jim - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#199872) #

The logic would be to have Janssen come back on Sunday instead of Ray.  Janssen is apparently throwing tonight for New Hampshire in his last rehab start. 

Cito won't pinch hit, but he's going to jump through hoops to add extra mileage to Halladay's arm in May when they are in first?  Janssen coming off rehab starts is that much better then Ray that it's worth taking Roy off his routine and riding him before Memorial Day?

I don't see how that makes any sense at all.

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 10:21 AM EDT (#199874) #
I wouldn't do it myself either.  I'd keep Halladay on four days rest, i.e. starting on Sunday, and bring back Janssen (if the word from New Hampshire is that he didn't really tire in the sixth inning) on Monday.  It is not a huge deal whether Halladay faces the Red Sox in the upcoming series or not. 

With Quentin, Dye, and Konerko, the White Sox list right and hit LHP much better than RHP.  It'll make a good test for Brett Cecil, but Robert Ray would probably do fine for 5-6 innings against them. 

CeeBee - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#199892) #

"Burnett went where the money was.  The money saved on his contract may come in very handy for the Jays in July."

It may even go to help pay to keep the best pitcher in baseball in a Jays uniform for a few years longer.

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 13 2009 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#199895) #
That would be a good and appropriate use for it.
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