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After Thursday afternoon's game, the Blue Jays optioned two of the three Brians (Burres and Bullington) back to AAA Las Vegas.

Okay, Bullington spells his first name funny. Like I care.

So yeah - our long national nightmare is over.

We don't yet know who's coming up to replace them, and it may be that the team doesn't know yet either. They just knew that they'd seen enough of those two guys. It is clear that there is only enough goodness in the name "Brian" to maintain one pitcher on the staff, and hopefully this will benefit Mr Tallet. There can be only one.

Burres' work yesterday, such as it was, nudged his career ERA from 5.99 to 6.08. He's actually not a bad pitcher if you spot him a couple of strikes, but as long as major league baseball insists on starting each at bat with a fresh 0-0 count, he's probably going to have some problems.

Bullington's dream of actually winning a major league game someday will have to wait a while. This doesn't make him the greatest first round blunder of all time - it's not like Troy Tulowitzki was available instead - but it would have been a much better trip to Kansas City if the Pirates had called out the name of "Zack Greinke" instead on that fateful 2002 day. Bullington was actually more effective than Burres, which is surely something to build on, and it occurs to me that he may want to consider pitching from the stretch at all times. He allowed 13 baserunners over 6 IP in his four outings, but only two of them actually crossed home plate.

With John Gibbons in the house, the Blue Jays hit into no less than six - six! - double plays. That had to bring back some memories for the former skipper. And to complete their day in Bizarro Land, the Jays surrendered two triples to KC's backup catcher.

But I'm here to pronounce myself satisfied with April. My default position was 80-82 wins if everything went wrong - you know, if the new pitchers all posted ERAs around 6.00 or something awful like that. While that didn't come to pass, quite a few things did go wrong. Two more starters and the closer went on the DL, and one of the new pitchers is winless and with an ERA north of 7.00. That would be David Purcey, who's contributed two pretty good starts and three pretty bad ones - rather like what Josh Beckett has given the Red Sox, and a wee bit better than what Chien-Ming Wang has given the Yankees. Purcey saw B.J. Ryan quickly convert a couple of wins into no decisions, but the team managed to win the games anyway.

Despite these and other setbacks, the team managed to play .625 ball, and find themselves tied for first place anyway. Despite the carnage that has ripped through the pitching staff, and despite the fact that Roy Halladay hasn't really rounded into full Doc mode yet, they're still allowing just 4.67 runs per game - that's comfortably better than the league average and better than anyone else in the AL East.  Good enough.

As practically no one realizes, the Blue Jays actually had one of the better offenses in all of baseball last season, if we only begin paying attention once Cito Gaston took over.  Curiously enough, that hasn't changed. Alex Rios has shown signs lately that he may be ready to start contributing, even if he hasn't actually done so yet - he's the only hitter with an OPS+ below 100.  Ideally, his bat should heat up just as those of Scutaro and Hill cool off. Which will surely happen. Although I do think Marco Scutaro is going to have what they will all call a "career year" - Gaston and Tenace have changed his stance at the plate, and hitting in the leadoff spot has changed his approach.

After one month, Travis Snider is hitting .258 with 3 HR and 11 RBI. So he's right on target for the .260 with 18-20 HRs and about 70 RBI that I think it's reasonable to expect from the young fellow. What's surprised me so far is that he isn't striking out nearly as much as we had every right to expect. But he hasn't hit a big slump yet, either. I have vivid memories of Carlos Delgado in 1994, a raw rookie who came out of the gate hitting like Babe Ruth himself and then struggled mightily once the league adjusted to him. Unlike Delgado, however, Snider will get to work out his problems - and they will come - in a low pressure spot in the lineup. And also unlike Delgado, Snider can actually play the outfield and contribute to the ball club in ways that don't involve hitting the baseball over the fence. He's got a better chance of staying in the major leagues all season.
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TamRa - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:32 AM EDT (#199192) #
The next 10 games have MANY opportunities to win.

I wouldn't be stunned if they ran off nine in a row (not predictin', just sayin')

Hopefully they take advantage and face the Yanks from a position f strength.


Ron - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 01:17 AM EDT (#199194) #
Here are a few quick hits:

 - I predicted the Jays to win 75 games, and based on the first month of the season, it looks like they have a chance to surpass this number.

 - I have no idea why Brian Burres was given 2 starts. Did the Jays watch him pitch for the O’s last season or down in Vegas? Burres has a pitching arsenal only a mother could love.

 - One topic I haven’t seen discussed yet in Jays land is how awful Rios has been on the field. He has morphed into Adam Dunn in the OF. On Tuesday, DeJesus hit a ball that should have been caught but Rios let it go over his head for a double. And than on Wednesday, Aviles hit a double that turned into a triple. Rios also dropped a lazy fly ball this season and has made a throw to home that was way off line. I haven’t looked at the various metrics, but from my own 2 eyes, his play has been atrocious. Perhaps he’s too busy thinking about which toy plane to buy to even give a damn. If I was the skipper, I would have already benched him for at least a game.

- The Jays have a roster full of players playing over their heads and we shouldn’t expect this to continue. The common theme I’m hearing from the national media is that you can’t truly judge the Jays until the play the Red Sox, Yankees, and Rays. The opposition so far has a combined record of 71-77. The combined record of the 3 headed monster is 35-32 (they’ve all played each other).

 -  Why is John McDonald on the roster?

 - If Cito is reading this, stop making Travis Snider a platoon player. Let him take his lumps against lefties.

 - I’m really happy to see Adam Lind produce at the plate. Not only is he hitting for power and average, but he’s also making the pitcher work. He leads the AL in pitchers per plate appearance with 4.54

 - Once BJ Ryan returns from his “injury”, what happens to the closer role? At this point, there’s no chance in hell I want to see Ryan pitch in any meaningful situation. Downs has been downright amazing this season and he should be the closer for the rest of the season. Even Brandon League and Shawn Camp deserve higher leverage situations than Ryan.

 - Unless there’s some tinkering in the pitching schedule, the Jays will face the Red Sox 6 times in May and Doc won’t be appearing in any of them.

 - Overall, I’m very pleased with a 15-9 start. C’mon Toronto, show your support for the Jays. It makes me sad to see so many empty seats at RC. If I only lived in Toronto…..

 

 

 

China fan - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 04:51 AM EDT (#199199) #
Ron, I agree with almost everything in your post, but why do you say that the Jays have "a chance" to surpass 75 wins?  Are you being droll?   Can't you just admit that a prediction of 75 wins was a pretty awful prediction?
China fan - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 05:10 AM EDT (#199200) #

By the way, it appears that BJ Ryan actually did have an injury.  The Jays have ordered him to quit throwing and rest for a week before trying to throw again.  I think the problem is that Ryan concealed his injury -- as he has done before.  I would think the Jays are rather irked at him by now.  Cito and JP have publicly hinted that Ryan is not being square with them, he is refusing to tell them what he is feeling physically, and this is a serious problem for the team because they were putting him in high-leverage situations when he was concealing an injury.  They had to have a formal meeting with him before he finally acknowledged the injury -- and then the team was forced to go short-handed for a game because there wasn't time to recall a pitcher to replace him for the next game.  Here's a classic example of where a player's pride can hurt his team.    BJ, please, just be honest with the Jays!

Elsewhere on the injury front:  Romero felt fine after playing catch on Wednesday, but Arnsberg says he is "probably a week away from really being able to throw with a little bit of vengeance with the arm coming downhill."   Sounds doubtful that he'll be ready to return by mid-May.   Janssen is much further ahead -- I would hope to see him on the Jays within a week or two.   And, oddly enough, Shaun Marcum is already throwing bullpen sessions -- he is way ahead of McGowan. 

Dave Till - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 07:15 AM EDT (#199201) #
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between ordinary pain that can be worked through and a serious injury. Pitchers live with pain all the time: what they do - throw a baseball at 80 or more miles per hour - is an unnatural action for the human body. Ryan might just not have been able to determine that this injury was severe enough to require him to be shut down.

I also predicted only 75 wins, and it still could happen: in the worst case, we could see day after day of Burres-style meltdowns. But it looks like the offensive improvement is for real.

This means that J.P. should get on the horn and find some mediocre starting pitchers pronto (mediocre, as opposed to bad).

Geoff - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 08:08 AM EDT (#199202) #
With Jonathan Van Every finishing the ballgame last night for the Red Sox, that makes three outfielders in April who have taken to the mound to my knowledge (perhaps there are more).

Swisher and Cody Ross have also acted as pitching scrubs in recent weeks and I'm curious how often position players have pitched in April during modern MLB times. Or during any month; this is becoming surprisingly frequent.

I've known this to happen during the dog days of summer when arms have turned to jelly and plenty of guys are looking for a breather. Is this a new sign of the times? Are major league bullpens hurting that much in the early going? Is this all just preventitive medicine? Is the economy to blame and do that many bullpen guys have innings bonuses on their contracts?

And most important of all: who will be the Jays first guy out of the outfield bullpen? Has Snider got a little more Babe in him? Does Jose Bautista have a nice curveball? Who will be the next Dave Stieb for the Jays?

Magpie - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 10:01 AM EDT (#199203) #
And most important of all: who will be the Jays first guy out of the outfield bullpen?

Alas, Cito Gaston has never asked a non-pitcher to take the mound (with the exception of Brian Burres, of course.) Prior to Frank Menechino's outing in 2003 (and that was actually his second MLB appearance on the mound), we have to go all the way back to 1984 when Bobby Cox gave Rick Leach an inning (a college quarterback, what the hell!)

Speaking of unusual pitchers, we have a pitcher doing something slightly unusual. With his homer on Tuesday, Carlos Zambrano now has hit more career homers (17, in 508 AB) than three guys on the Jays active roster. Zambrano's about halfway to the all-time record for career homers by a pitcher, and he's still just 28 years old. (His season best is 6 - last year he hit 4, although it was the .337 BAVG and the .892 OPS that was really impressive.) And last night he finally got his first career pinch hit (he was 0-14 as a pinch hitter before last night's base hit.)
Mike Green - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#199204) #
Zambrano has a wild career batting line.  In 546 career PAs, he has walked 6 times, struck out 180 times, and hit those 17 homers.  On a related note, Micah Owings has a career slugging percentage of .559; at the first sign of arm trouble, I expect that someone will try to make him into a first baseman. 
christaylor - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#199205) #
Given the rationale for bringing Bullington up (long-man), I'm raising an eyebrow at the Jays sending him down. I saw him pitch twice and paid close attention once (that horribly windy game in CHI) -- I based on that, his numbers and what I saw from Burres, I'd rather see Bullington get a chance to start. Hopefully, that's what he's being sent down to do, get stretched out.

Because he's been slagged in so many articles for being the first over-all pick, I'm rooting for him. I like his delivery. He needs to allow fewer base-runners, but there's no doubt that he knows more about his craft than say, um, Purcey? Purcey is easily the most frustrating SP to watch this year, by a wide margin. He even beats out McGowan in 2007 during his good start, bad start stretch (before his great start against the Rockies on the 25th of June I believe).

Please tell me that we're going to see Cecil get a shot. That's what I want to hear. If only as a peace offering for the mess that we've seen lately with Tallet and Burres. From what people have said here, it is probably Castro. Oh well. Get well Ricky, Jesse and Casey!
MrPurple - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#199206) #
Dude, Spelling the name with an i is funny. Bryan is much more acceptable.
Parker - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#199207) #
Yeah.  The Burres demotion is a no-brainer, but I thought Bullington seemed to be holding his own.  He sure hasn't been an ERA+ black hole or anything.  It'd be understandable if they had someone in Vegas who was knocking down the door, but I don't know who'd be an obviously better choice right now.  I'd give Bullington a shot at starting before calling up prospects out of neccesity rather than because they merit a promotion.  I wouldn't write Tallet off as a starter just yet either - not even The Good Doctor dominates every game.

The thing I'm most excited about right now is that the Jays are muddling along with average pitching results despite the fact that their ace hasn't been his best so far and that they're missing most of the starting rotation and a third of the bullpen.  If Janssen, Accardo, Marcum, and McGowan can all regain their form, that is one mean motor scooter of a pitching staff.

Has anyone come up with the nickname Scott "Three Up, Three" Downs yet?  If not, it could be a perfect fit if he steps into the full-time closer role.

Magpie - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#199208) #
Why is John McDonald on the roster?

Because it's prudent to carry an extra middle infielder in case one of the starters gets hurt?

If Cito is reading this, stop making Travis Snider a platoon player. Let him take his lumps against lefties.

He will eventually, but really - what's the hurry? Snider's still just 21 years old. Let's see him prove he can do the easiest part of the job - which he has certainly not proven yet - before you throw him into the deep end of the pool. As it is, he's had 16 plate appearances against LHP - Vernon Wells has only had 26.

Once BJ Ryan returns from his “injury”, what happens to the closer role?

It looks like Ryan's "injury" doesn't really need the quote marks. So if he's healthy and throwing well, I'm sure he'll get another whack at the ninth inning. Which is fine by me. There's something to be said for using your best relief pitcher in the 7th or 8th inning anyway.

Not only is [Lind] hitting for power and average, but he’s also making the pitcher work. He leads the AL in pitchers per plate appearance with 4.54

Yes indeed, and where did this suddenly come from? He had just 37 BB against 676 AB coming into this season, career high of 16. His minor league high was 49 BB against 495 AB in A ball.

Unless there’s some tinkering in the pitching schedule, the Jays will face the Red Sox 6 times in May and Doc won’t be appearing in any of them.

This is interesting. As it stands now, Doc would go on the 1st against Blt, 6th against the Angels - his turn then comes up on the 11th which is an off day. With no juggling, he'd face the Yankees on the 12th, the White Sox on the 17th, the Braves on the 22nd and the Orioles again on the 27th. With off days on the 28th of May and 1st of June, they can skip two of the other four guys and bring Doc back on normal rest against the Angels on June 2.

That rotation looks like this:

1  BLT - Halladay
2  BLT - Purcey
3  BLT - Richmond
4  CLE - Tallet
5  CLE - Not yet determined (Castro? Cecil? Mills? Miller? Arnsberg?)
6  at LA - Halladay
7  at LA - Purcey
8  at OAK - Richmond
9  at OAK - Tallet
10  at OAK - Not yet determined (Castro? Cecil? Mills? Miller? Arnsberg?)
11 ------
12  NYY - Halladay
13  NYY - Purcey
14  NYY - Richmond
15  CWS - Tallet
16  CWS - Not yet determined (Romero?)
17  CWS - Halladay
18  CWS - Purcey
19  at BOS - Richmond
20  at BOS - Tallet
21  at BOS - Not yet determined (Romero?)
22  ATL - Halladay
23  ATL - Purcey
24  ATL - Richmond
25  BLT - Tallet (Janssen?)
26  BLT - Not yet determined (Romero?)
27  BLT - Halladay
28  -----
29  BOS - Purcey
30  BOS - Richmond
31 BOS - Tallet (Janssen?)
1  ---
2  LAA - Not yet determined (Romero?)
3 - LAA - Halladay

If tonight's game allows them the option, they could pull Doc early and then bring him back on 3 days rest against the Angels on the 5th (currently Starter Not Yet Determined.) That would get him back against Oakland on the 10th - the off day on the 11th lets you skip someone else and pitch Doc on normal rest against the White Sox on the 15th. He'd miss the Yankees, but he'd get Boston on the 20th, Baltimore on the 25th, and after the off-day on the 28th they can bump someone so he could go against Boston again on the 30th.

Something like this:

1  BLT - Halladay
2  BLT - Purcey
3  BLT - Richmond
4  CLE - Tallet
5  CLE - Halladay
6  at LA - Not yet determined
7  at LA - Purcey
8  at OAK - Richmond
9  at OAK - Tallet
10  at OAK - Halladay
11 ------
12  NYY - Purcey
13  NYY - Richmond
14  NYY - Tallet
15  CWS - Halladay
16  CWS - Not yet determined (Romero?)
17  CWS - Purcey
18  CWS - Richmond
19  at BOS - Tallet
20  at BOS - Halladay
21  at BOS - Not yet determined (Romero?)
22  ATL - Purcey
23  ATL - Richmond
24  ATL - Tallet (Janssen?)
25  BLT - Halladay
26  BLT - Not yet determined (Romero?)
27  BLT - Purcey
28  -----
29  BOS - Richmond
30  BOS - Halladay
31 BOS - Tallet (Janssen?) OR Not yet determined (Romero?)
1  ---
2  LAA - Purcey
3 - LAA - Richmond

But if they want to do it that way, they have to be ready tonight. An offensive outburst would be very helpful.

Mick Doherty - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#199209) #

(with the exception of Brian Burres, of course.)

Mags, the sheer spiteful venom! How very unlike you!

We miss the kinder, gentler, .500-if-everything-goes-wrong Mags!

Dave Rutt - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#199211) #
Jordan Bastian just tweeted: Up to Jays from AAA: Brett Cecil, Robert Ray, Brian Wolfe. Sent down to AAA: David Purcey, Brian Burres, Bryan Bullington
Magpie - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#199212) #
the sheer spiteful venom!

Well, I'm way out on a limb here! Way, way out. I actually told everyone at the Dome they're more likely to win 95 games than 75. And Brian Burres isn't helping me out.

But let me be magnanimous, and refer you all to this game:

Hard to believe, but there it is!
China fan - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#199213) #
Wow, that's huge news.  I think the demotion of Purcey is a smart move.  He really needs to work on some stuff.   I'm not sure if Cecil is ready -- I'm a little skeptical, I actually think he needs a bit more time in the minors -- but I'll be very excited to see how he does.  Robert Ray is the really surprising one, but again I'll be excited to see how he does.  I'm also surprised that Accardo wasn't called up -- he's done better than Wolfe, but perhaps they need a long reliever, and Wolfe is more capable of going 3 innings, whereas Accardo is two-innings-maximum.
Magpie - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#199214) #
Sent down to AAA: David Purcey, Brian Burres, Bryan Bullington

What? after all the work I did figuring out the rotation for the next month!

Well, if history teaches us anything, it's that a land war in Asia is generally a bad idea and that Cito Gaston's patience with struggling starters is pretty much non-existent. We may not have instruments sensitive enough to detect it.
tstaddon - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:18 PM EDT (#199215) #
According to the team press release, Ray will start tomorrow (Saturday) against the Orioles and Cecil will debut Tuesday against Cleveland.

One assumes they're just getting Cecil's feet wet and seeing how he reacts. All the reports on his stuff are excellent, but his early performance doesn't exactly suggest he's earned it. Ray's an interesting add, too. His two starts this year have been 3.2 and 4.1 innings. Does anyone know what his pitch counts were in those games?

Have to believe Murphy's on thin ice, too, what with the major control problems. May not be long before we see Accardo, Bayliss or Castro next.
China fan - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#199216) #

It's fascinating that Robert Ray has leaped ahead of Brad Mills (and Purcey) in the depth chart.  Until the middle of last year, he had never played higher than Dunedin, and he was invisible during spring training this year.   Yet now he's in the majors.  The explanation is probably that the Jays were impressed by his very strong performance at New Hampshire in the second half of last season.  He pitched 16 games, lasted 96.1 innings (a very tidy 6 innings per start), recorded 72 strikeouts (versus only 27 walks), and an ERA of 3.18.    It seems that he was injured in the first part of this season and rehabbed in Dunedin, which might explain why we didn't see much of him in spring training while Mills and Cecil got all the attention.   As I noted in a post a few days ago, after his successful (scoreless) debut with Las Vegas:   Ray was hampered by injuries in 2006 and 2007 and has been a late bloomer.  According to Gerry's interview with Dick Scott in the off-season, Ray has always been regarded as having good stuff, but was plagued by blow-up innings and never got it together until last season. 

Gerry - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#199217) #

But let me be magnanimous, and refer you all to this game:

Burres peaked at 27 years and 18 days old.  It was a short peak.

Gerry - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#199218) #

I saw Ray pitch in June of last year in AA.  Here is what I wrote at the time:

Robert Ray made his AA debut and pitched very well, the game was shortened to seven innings due to rain so Ray gets credit for a complete game.  Ray had an excellent two seam fastball that had a lot of movement and was between 88 and 91 mph.  Ray was very effective in keeping the ball down, there were no outfield outs until the fourth inning and only two in the game.  Ray also threw a change-up, a slider and a curve-ball.  The slider and the curve were not thrown much by Ray, and not too effectively, but his fastball was good enough to win with.  Ray will have to improve those off-speed pitches before he moves to AAA.

Since then reports are that Ray is throwing a little harder.  Ray's fastball movement was excellent and if he keeps it down he could get a lot of ground ball outs.  His success depends on the development of his other pitches.

As I wrote yesterday Cecil was the obvious choice to be called up, he had made a good start last time out.  Now one good start is not proof of anything but again Cecil has some good movement and if he hits his spots he could also get some ground balls.  Based on what I have seen he has a greater margin for error than say Mills because he throws hard and with movement so even if he misses a spot there is no guarantee the hitter will hit it hard.  In any event it will be good experience for both Cecil and Ray.

rpriske - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#199219) #

Because I am thinking positive I figure Murphy goes down when Romero comes back.

That is because I am confident (ahem) that both Ray and Cecil are going to show themselves to be ready and Tallet will go back to the bullpen to give room to Romero.

The more conservative (and honest) guess is that one of those two new starters could use a little more seasoning.

We'll see.

Gerry - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#199220) #

Up to Jays from AAA: Brett Cecil, Robert Ray, Brian Wolfe. Sent down to AAA: David Purcey, Brian Burres, Bryan Bullington

Na done more thing...thats sounds like the old JP, welcome back.  The impetuous days of old are back

joeblow - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#199221) #
Isn't there a major league pitcher somewhere out there who can fill in? Someone with an ERA below 5.50 who can pitch 5+ innings. Or is the Jay's strategy to call up random minor league guys who have pitched poorly, with few innings, and hope for lightning in a bottle? We all know that does not work. They'll have to start scouting the softball leagues next.
Magpie - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#199222) #
At any rate, there's no way on earth Doc gets an early hook so they can bring him back on short rest. With exactly two starting pitchers he's in a position to trust - and one of them being Scott Richmond - Gaston is going to want Halladay to soak up as many innings as possible.
Mylegacy - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#199223) #
So...our best lefty pitching prospect and our best righty - both called up on the same day with the Wolfman. Delicious.

By the All Star break - at the latest - we'll be able to choose from: Halladay, Romero, Tallet, Richmond, Purcey, Cecil, Ray, Mills and Janssen. With Marcum trying to set a world surgery recovery race and join them in the hunt. EVERYONE of those guys BELONGS (or WILL belong) in a Major League rotation.

With Hill healthy, Lind maturing, Snider learning his craft and Rolen's new and improved swing - we are honestly and seriously a contender. We gonna SUR-PRISE some folks BIG TIME! Let the good times roll!

Alex Obal - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#199225) #

...thats sounds like the old JP, welcome back.  The impetuous days of old are back

Not a moment too soon.

This is almost exactly how I wanted the 2009 season to go: get a decent looksee at every highish-level pitching prospect in the organization. The injuries are unfortunate, but oh well. 24-0, 0-24, 15-9, whatever, the record doesn't change that outlook for me. That Ray and Cecil get their shot pitching for a first-place team in the AL East is gravy.

Thumbs up, JP.

Alex Obal - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#199226) #
PS: I don't think that post sounded as giddy as I intended it to. To recap: I think JP's improved his 4 and 5 starters. I think he's more likely to make the playoffs than he was 12 hours ago. I know I get to see Cecil and Ray in the majors, at least momentarily. And my faith in JP's willingness to play kids, after a very short holiday, has been restored. It's all good.
Mick Doherty - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#199227) #

But let me be magnanimous, and refer you all to this game:

Dang. At that point, impatient ChiSox fans -- wait, that's redundant -- were probably wishing they could trade Danks for Burres.

rpriske - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#199229) #

Mylegacy, I think you forgot Litsch.

We could go from our rotation being a weakness to a strength very quickly... if things roll right.

braden - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#199230) #

But let me be magnanimous, and refer you all to this game:

Dang. At that point, impatient ChiSox fans -- wait, that's redundant -- were probably wishing they could trade Danks for Burres.

What's even funnier about that boxscore is that Burress' battery-mate also had what looks to be the finest day of his major league career.  His name?  Guillermo Quiroz.

christaylor - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#199231) #
I am now much happier about going to the game tomorrow. I was already getting ready to be frustrated by Purcey missing the strike zone on just on about 2/3rds of his pitches.

That said, I hope Purcey works out his delivery in LV and gets back to the show as a late-blooming lefty.
Mike Green - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#199234) #
Cecil for Burres?  Thumbs up.  Ray for Purcey?  Thumbs down.   Wolfe for Bullington?  Thumbs up.

I suppose that two out of three aint bad.  There is nothing in Ray's resume which suggests that he is going to be any better than Purcey. 

Magpie - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#199235) #
There is nothing in Ray's resume which suggests that he is going to be any better than Purcey.

Well... maybe if you think of it as a trip to the shop for Purcey. A tune-up, a touch-up, a few adjustments...

Worked nicely for Litsch last year.
China fan - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#199236) #
What if it was Cecil for Purcey and Ray for Burres?   Any chances of more thumbs up?
Mike Green - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 06:02 PM EDT (#199237) #
Nope.  Purcey at this stage of his career doesn't need to be shipped back and forth to triple A.  You need to just give him the ball and have him either succeed or fail.  If the alternative is a pitcher who you expect to succeed like a Litsch or Marcum, it's a whole 'nother story. 

Cito smartly moved him up in the rotation to keep him on 4 days rest, but was rewarded with a stinker in the rain in Kansas City.  It is too bad that the club didn't show more patience. 

sduguid - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#199239) #
I couldn't disagree more - Purcey clearly needs to work on his approach and command.  There are plenty of others in line who may be able to come in and do the job.  My way of thinking is that if someone shows they are not getting the job done and things don't seem to be improving, someone should come in and replace them until such a time as they have worked things out and are ready to make a contribution.
If Purcey seems to put things together, he is simply a call-up away from returning.

scottt - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#199240) #
Why is John McDonald on the roster?

Pinch run, come in if Scutaro needs to come out, possibly finish game the Jays are losing or winning by  7 or more runs.

Incidentally, Scutaro's offensive numbers are similar to Jeter's at the moment. Maybe a bit better.

stop making Travis Snider a platoon player

This is where your 75 wins total must come from. Snider is seeing a lot of lefties once the the opponent hits the bullpen and the results are what you would expect.

Incidentally, Lind is the best DH in baseball right now.

Cecil for Burres? Thumbs up

Nobody would disagree there. It seems Burres was expected to do better. I don't think 2 starts in Vegas had much impact on Cecil.

Ray for Purcey?  Thumbs down.

Ray who? 

Purcey clearly needs to work on his approach and command.

Not sure there. His ERA is ugly, but he's kept the Jays in the game most of the time. His approach is pretty simple as he doesn't have many pitches--just throw strikes. His fastball command is not very good, but hopefully that will come back on its own. It was better in Florida and in his first home game.

Wolfe for Bullington?  Thumbs up.

It looks like Cito is still looking for his long relief while Tallet holds the fort.

Overall, I think Toronto had too many lefties--especially against teams that don't have big left bats in the lineup and are using platoons. Let's see how that goes.

Incidentally, Millar comes big again tonight.

TamRa - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#199241) #
There is nothing in Ray's resume which suggests that he is going to be any better than Purcey. 


Yes there is. Or rather, there's something to suggest he MIGHT be better at this particular moment in Purcey's season.

Ray has a  2.7 BB/9 over his minor league career.

that's the same rate as Purcey after he got medicated/figured it out in AAA in 2008.

Purcey's career rate (in the minors)  is 4.7

Here's the BB/9, K/9, and WHIP over the minor league career of several young Jays' pitchers:

2.7 - 7.4 - 1.36 - Ray
2.9 - 9.4 - 1.18 - Cecil
3.4 - 9.2 - 1.19 - Mills
3.8 - 7.0 - 1.47 - Romero
4.0 - 8.8 - 1.29 - Castro
4.1 - 9.2 - 1.38 - Purcey

1.4 - 7.8 - 1.04 - Janssen
1.5 - 9.1 - 1.06 - Marcum
1.6 - 7.7 - 1.14 - Litsch

Ray is not obviously out of place in that group (althogh it's no accident that those with a BB/9 rate under 2 are the one's with proven major league success)


In any case, Bastian quotes JP frankly admitting that Ray probably isn't ready yet (or Cecil) but he feels circumstances have forced his hand. Maybe it's as simple as the fact that in the minors you can work on mechanics without really worring about what happens in the win column where you can't in the majors.


scottt - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#199242) #
Zaun is hitting a huge .125  He looks to me like someone who will be dumped once a certain prospect is promoted.

Mike Green - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#199243) #
Albert Pujols now has 9 homers and 7 strikeouts (and 18 walks) on the season.  For his career, he has been looking like JImmie Foxx, but it never hurts to throw in a Ted Williams year for kicks.  There haven't been too many players who have more homers than strikeouts in a year (Williams and DiMaggio were two). 
TamRa - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#199244) #
Isn't there a major league pitcher somewhere out there who can fill in? Someone with an ERA below 5.50 who can pitch 5+ innings.

Um, No. Really there isn't. And with as many teams as there are running out scrubs, if there were we wouldn't be picking him up for good old Mr. PTBNL anyway.

 Or is the Jay's strategy to call up random minor league guys who have pitched poorly, with few innings, and hope for lightning in a bottle?


Who? Burres? Conceeded that ONE GUY was a bad call and clearly, as you say, just hoping to get shocked by good results.

 We all know that does not work.


Oh? Richmond argues to the contrary, so does Romero. So did Purcey down the stretch last year. So did Litsch the year before and Marcum the year before that.


Chuck - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#199245) #

Scutaro's offensive numbers are similar to Jeter's at the moment. Maybe a bit better.

Scutaro: 281/421/506, OPS+ 142
Jeter: 287/350/457, OPS+ 109

More than a bit better.

scottt - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#199246) #
Case in point, the entire Baltimore Oriole rotation. Hendrickson should be 1-4 after today with an era of 5.79 and he hasn't pitched in the 6th inning yet this year.

brent - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#199247) #
Let me give a shout out to Cleveland who ended Bos win streak and played 3 tough games against them. Thanks, TB for helping out the Jays ^^  
greenfrog - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#199250) #
One reason I like the callups/demotions is the Jays' defense. The pitching staff has no business liberally issuing walks when they have a first-rate infield defense (and a very respectable outfield defense) behind them. As Cito puts it, giving up walks is like giving away outs--a good recipe for losing ballgames.
scottt - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#199251) #
Conversely, the Jays are walking at an insane rate. Scutaro averages almost  a walk per game. Same is true for Overbay and Bautista. Add Lind, Wells and Hill's decent walk rates and you have lots of guys with OBP around .400 which translates in RBI opportunities for the other hitters.



Alex Obal - Friday, May 01 2009 @ 11:59 PM EDT (#199252) #
I think my attitude toward the Purcey demotion depends on how drastic the changes the Jays want him to undertake are. If they don't have any sweeping and specific instructions for him, I'm kind of sour on it. If they just want him to 'find his release point' or something, that's underwhelming.

Robert Ray - and I've never seen him pitch, obviously, so I'm working from a position of extreme ignorance here - seems like he's a little bit behind where Casey Janssen was in 2006 and Jesse Litsch was in 2007. Conditional on Purcey being sent down for reasons I find sensible, I'd much rather give Ray a couple of starts than Burres or Tallet. Sure he'll probably have trouble missing bats, but as long as he's around the strike zone and he doesn't overthrow, I bet he'll be okay.
subculture - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 03:16 AM EDT (#199253) #
I absolutely see similarities b/w Purcey's struggles and McGowan's difficulties before he seemed to 'get it'.  Both have great stuff, but are hittable when they are forced to come down the middle with fastballs due to the count.  Hopefully Purcey will begin to trust his stuff and command his fastball like Dustin, but we shouldn't think it will happen quickly.. maybe not even this year.  Until then, it will be great start-crap start-okay start-great start-crap start, etc...
Waveburner - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 03:49 AM EDT (#199254) #

Not sure about the Cecil move. Guy was beat up in every start he made from spring training on, has one respectable one where he still gives up 3 ER in AAA and that merits a call up? Has had a real issue missing bats in Vegas this season and with walking people-that won't just magically transform at the Major League level. Cecil is the last Jays prospect I'd rush as he's their most important pitching prospect.

Burres had to go and I'm OK with giving Ray a chance-he's not vital to the Jays future. If Ray makes it great, but he's been largely a forgotten prospect with his extended stint in High-A. Interested to see how he does. I just don't see how jerking Purcey around after 5 measely starts is going to help him unless they asking him to work a new pitch in. Wolfe for Bullington works for me. Might have pulled Murphy first, but realistically they both suck.

Any updates on Michael Barrett?

 

Ron - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 04:23 AM EDT (#199255) #
Ron, I agree with almost everything in your post, but why do you say that the Jays have "a chance" to surpass 75 wins?  Are you being droll?   Can't you just admit that a prediction of 75 wins was a pretty awful prediction?

Considering it's only  May 2nd, there's no chance in hell I'm going to say 75 wins was a awful prediction. The Jays currently only have 1 established starter in the rotation and a bunch of hitters playing at a career year level. And when you factor in the Jays haven't played the Red Sox, Yanks, or Rays, there is still a chance the Jays could end up with an ugly record. It's simply too early in the season to come to any conclusions one way or another.

Why is John McDonald on the roster?

Because it's prudent to carry an extra middle infielder in case one of the starters gets hurt?


McDonald doesn't offer much with the bat or glove, so I see no reason why he should be with the Jays. I would rather have Inglett (once he gets healthy) on the Jays because at least he provides a solid left handed bat off the bench.
China fan - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 04:27 AM EDT (#199256) #

It will be fascinating to see how Robert Ray does against the Orioles.  He is making his major-league debut as one of the least-heralded Jays prospects in many years.  Nobody seems to know much about him.  I've just scoured through the Saturday Globe and Star, along with MLB.com, and there is still no explanation of why he only had 2 starts in the minors this season.  I'm assuming that he must have been injured in March or early April, but there's no discussion of it.  Ricciardi, meanwhile, is deliberately under-selling the guy.  Asked why Ray was called up, Ricciardi merely shrugged and said:  "He's healthy and it's his turn to throw."   Even the Jays PR Department is giving him no respect, saying on their press release that Ray had an ERA of 3.91 at AA last season when in fact Baseball Reference and every other source says he had a 3.18 ERA at AA last season.  Expectations will be very low when he makes his debut -- let's hope he is as surprising as Romero and Richmond and Litsch in their early days.

In any event, the Jays need only to stagger along for nine days until their next off-day, May 11, and the rotation should be better after that.  The Jays are now predicting that Romero and Janssen will be back in the majors around May 12 to 20.   And Litsch soon after that.  And then maybe Purcey and Ryan if they can get their act together.  And maybe Mills and Marcum a bit later this summer.  The cavalry is coming.

 

Magpie - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 06:58 AM EDT (#199257) #
Ron, Inglett would indeed provide a LH bat off the bench - but this manager doesn't use the bats on his bench anyway. He never has, he never will. So there's no real point. This particular job on the roster really does amount to sitting around in event of emergency rather than actually playing.

If Hill got hurt, Inglett would be called up to replace him as the everyday 2b. And McDonald would continue to sit on the bench in case of an in-game emergency.
pooks137 - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 07:27 AM EDT (#199258) #

The "I would rather have Joe Inglett on the bench" argument is like comparing apples an oranges, and would lead to flawed roster construction.

For the most part, every roster needs at least two players that can adequately play each premium defensive position, mainly catcher, shortstop and CF.  John McDonald is on this roster because a)he'd be an expensive cut and b) he's one of only two players in Toronto or Las Vegas, minus Angel Sanchez, who can play an adequate major league SS.

An argument could be made for Aaron Hill, though he hasn't played an inning at SS since 2006, was awful then, expresses a strong desire to stay at 2b and is still shaky off the rust at his actual position for his long layoff.  Jose Bautista is not an option, and hasn't even played substantial time in the minors.  Ditto Joe Inglett.

Like many have said before, Scutaro is not going to play all 162 games.  Who is going to play the 20, 25, 30 games that Marco sits out if McDonald isn't around?  Is it really worth downgrading the league's best infield defense for those games so that you have an extra LHB on the bench that Cito won't use anyway?

A more logical argument which has been flogged to death in the past but not of late, would be to go to a 6 man pen, so that Inglett could be the 5th man on the bench.  Of course, at present, I would much rather have the 7th man in the pen with 4/5th of or rotation apt to blow up on any given day and few off days to this point in the season.

Dave Till - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 07:54 AM EDT (#199259) #
I think that demoting Purcey was a good idea. Not because he's worse than who will replace him, but because he seems to need 100+ pitches to get through five innings. Having him out there chews up the bullpen (which is down one member after the Ryan injury). A Purcey start followed by a long extra-innings game could have forced Cito to choose which of his pitchers to put on the disabled list due to overwork.

McDonald is on the roster for only one reason: because Joe Inglett can't play shortstop.

scottt - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 08:25 AM EDT (#199260) #
Why would you expect Ray to pitch deeper into games than Purcey? In his AAA start last week, Ray only lasted 4.1 inning.

Pitchers struggling in April is nothing unusual, Lee, Verlander, Sabbatia, Beckett, etc...



ramone - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#199261) #

"It will be fascinating to see how Robert Ray does against the Orioles.  He is making his major-league debut as one of the least-heralded Jays prospects in many years.  Nobody seems to know much about him.  I've just scoured through the Saturday Globe and Star, along with MLB.com, and there is still no explanation of why he only had 2 starts in the minors this season.  I'm assuming that he must have been injured in March or early April, but there's no discussion of it."

I heard Campbell last night say that Ray had a oblique strain to start the year, just like Romero has now, and I recall an interview with Dick Scott mentioning ray had a minor injury to start the year.

BA has Ray as the jays 15th overall prospect. saying he has a 89-92 mph sinker and an average curve and slider and a splitter that he uses as a changeup. 

China fan - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 12:30 PM EDT (#199264) #
The Box ranked Robert Ray as the 14th-best prospect on the Jays (two slots ahead of Scott Richmond, incidentally).   A year earlier, Ray did not make the Box's top 30 at all.
Richard S.S. - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#199265) #

Purcey needs to work on his control, which is usually good, someplace where it will not cost the Jays wins.  B.J. Ryan's Problem cost David a 2 - 2 record, but with Ryan out, Downs closing and Tallet starting, #2 Starting LHPs  are worth their weight in gold.  Purcey needs to figure it out soon.  Robert Ray and Brett Cecil are groundball pitchers, who can't trust their defense, pen and offense; falls into top level defense, a great pen and a great offense.

Ray, Cecil and Tallet will make 2 starts prior to the 11th (rotation adjuster) - day off; Roy pitches - Casey Janssen is available to replace the biggest under-achiever (13 - 16).  Anyone else needing replacement - Purcey may be ready or another young arm or two gets called up.  Two starts after this Ricky Romero will available (23 - 26), and two more starts later, Jesse Litsch becomes available (2 - 5 June). 

Sometime early in June, Toronto has available as starters: Halladay, Janssen, Romero, Litsch, Purcey, Richmond, Tallet to name a few, and they will have had a look at Burres, Cecil, Ray and possibly others.  If they need anybody, they'll have the assets to make the deal.  Come the Trade Deadline many teams will be dumping salary; Toronto can cleanup.

Waveburner - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#199266) #

I think that demoting Purcey was a good idea. Not because he's worse than who will replace him, but because he seems to need 100+ pitches to get through five innings.

You're aware the man replacing him has a season-long outing of 4.1 IP? The Purcey move is pretty obviously a reaction to the team's record, at least IMO. 5 starts should not be enough to get him demoted, especially when just 2 starts ago he pitched a solid outing against an outstanding Texas team.

Although it's the Cecil promotion that actually bothers me more. Oh well. Hope it all works out. And I also hope they aren't rushing Janssen yet again.

greenfrog - Saturday, May 02 2009 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#199276) #
My guess is that Purcey needs more than a minor technical adjustment to his pitching motion. In his last two starts, he threw a lot of pitches that weren't close. He seemed to zone in and out--at times looking in control, and at other times looking as though he didn't have a clue (not sure if this is related to the ADHD or ADD he was diagnosed with). I agree that it's too early to give up on him (and I like the McGowan comp), but I think it's better that he works on his issues in AAA.
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