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Most career saves as a Blue Jay. Name the top ten. Go!
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Rich - Tuesday, September 09 2008 @ 10:52 PM EDT (#192160) #
Here goes (without looking):

1. Henke
2. Ryan
3. Ward
4. Escobar
5. Baptista
6. Myers
7. Caudill
8. Eichhorn
9. Timlin
10. Quantrill

Dave501 - Tuesday, September 09 2008 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#192161) #

1 Henke

2 Ward

3 Koch

4 Ryan

5 Escobar

6 Myers

7 Batista

8 Timlin

9 Eichorn

10 uhhhh - lopez?  ok, stretching here

 

John Northey - Tuesday, September 09 2008 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#192162) #
Hrm...
1) Henke - long time closer
2) Koch - multi-season closer
3) Escobar - closer on and off for a few
4) Ryan - 2 season closer
5) Ward - just one year as closer, but what a year
6) Eichhorn - setup man for a long time
7) Myers - 1/2 season as closer
8) Accardo - 1 season as closer
9) Roy Lee Jackson - closer at times pre-Henke
10)Dennis Lamp - sort of closer in '84
John Northey - Tuesday, September 09 2008 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#192164) #
Doh, forgot Batista somehow. Knew there was someone recent who slipped my mind.

Checking the real list I got 7 guys. The 3 I forgot were one guy from the pre-playoff years (77-84) and one from the playoff years (85-93) and one from the post-playoff years (94 to now). I spread out my forgetfulness.
James W - Tuesday, September 09 2008 @ 11:46 PM EDT (#192166) #
Does Darren Hall make the list?
Jays2010 - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 12:22 AM EDT (#192169) #

Here are the updated playoff standings based on a balanced schedule (48 games vs each AL division + 18 interleague games); I am still counting it as a 162 game schedule to keep it simple. NYY and LAA have not yet finished their game tonight, so I have not included the result.

LAA: 99-63

BOS: 98-64

TBAY: 98-64

TOR: 89-73

CWS: 87-75

NYY: 86-76

MIN: 82-80

So we are in 4th place! And we are making grounds in the actual wildcard race. It's too bad that Burnett and Litsch threw a lot of pitches today. I still hope that Burnett, Litsch and Halladay all go on 3 days rest on the weekend even if they can only give 80-90 pitches each.

sduguid - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 01:41 AM EDT (#192178) #
I'm fairly happy keeping everyone on their regular rest, particularly since everyone has been pitching fairly well. I wouldn't be so sure about pitching three guys in a row on 3 days rest, particularly this early on and when the playoff chances are still very slim (though I am excited by the recent streak!)
Jays2010 - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 02:41 AM EDT (#192179) #

Well if nobody pitches on 3 days rest, we'd have Purcey on Friday, maybe Parrish and Richmond on Saturday and Burnett (or Litsch) on Sunday. I'm sure we'd all prefer Halladay and Litsch on 3 days rest with restricted pitch counts over Parrish and Richmond. If you're going to start Halladay on short rest, then you're going to do it with Burnett as well. Litsch already said he'd be willing to, so I fully expect all 3 on short rest if we are within at least 7.5 games of Boston. The two doubleheaders make this playoff thing quite challenging.

Does anyone think that maybe Ricky Romero could be added to the 40 man roster in time to pitch one of Saturday's outings? He'd have to be on the 40 man next year anyway, so designating someone like Jean Machi now would not really affect anything. I suppose if Romero stands a chance then so does Cecil, though Romero was hot down the stretch and there is no need to add Cecil to the 40 man roster this early.

92-93 - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 03:00 AM EDT (#192180) #
Unless the Jays lose both games remaining vs. Chicago and Boston wins tomorrow, I think we will see all 3 of Burnett, Litsch, and Halladay return on 3 days rest in Boston. Then Litsch throws on his regular rest in the season finale against Baltimore following Marcum and Purcey, and that sets up the Jays nicely to have Burnett (on an extra days rest), Halladay (same), and Marcum face Boston at home.
92-93 - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 03:01 AM EDT (#192181) #
Er - In the series finale, not season.
Brian W - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#192194) #
Without looking it up, I'll guess the following.  I suspect I'm missing one or more of the guys from the pre-Henke years.

1. Henke
2. Ward
3. Koch
4. Timlin
5. Ryan
6. Escobar
7. Batista
8. Frasor
9. Myers
10. Caudill

Matthew E - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#192203) #
The real list is:

Henke
Ward
Koch
Ryan
Escobar
Timlin
M. Batista
Accardo
Joey McLaughlin
Roy Lee Jackson

Everybody who guessed got Henke, Ryan, Ward and Escobar, and most got Koch, Timlin and Batista. (Which surprised me, because I wouldn't have guessed Batista.)

Only John got Accardo and Jackson, and nobody got Joey McLaughlin. How weird is it that after all this time, Jackson and McLaughlin are still on the list?

Everybody guessed Randy Myers. That's kind of weird, isn't it? Most guessed Eichhorn, which I guess is natural enough.

The career saves list is one of my favourite Jays statistics. Not sure why.

John Northey - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#192210) #
It is kind of fun as it is a hard list to get right. A single great season puts you onto it still and will for quite a few more years. I didn't think Ward reached 100 saves as he closed only one full season but was used a lot whenever Henke had the yips or was tired. I am surprised no one else thought of Accardo though.

For reference, the Yankee save list is also reachable with just 43 saves (two way tie for 10th at the moment). Just 5 guys have reached 100 for them. 4 are easy, one is hard but he has 6 World Series rings so he must've done something right. Can anyone guess the 5?
Matthew E - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#192219) #
100+ saves as a Yankee...

Gossage
Rivera
Righetti, I suppose
Wetteland, maybe
Lyle, possibly

I don't know who else could be on there. Jeff Nelson or someone like that? Ron Davis? Dick Tidrow? I'll look it up after I post this.

Matthew E - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#192220) #
I guess I didn't do too badly. No way I would have gotten those early guys, back before anybody knew they were earning Saves.
CeeBee - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#192260) #
Maybe Page and Arroyo from the 50's and early 60's. Most of the others are covered already.
Mick Doherty - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#192263) #
Yankees trivia! Hooray!
Let's see ... RIvera, Gossage, Lyle, Righetti ...  we have those mentioned already, The Obvious Ones..

Luis Arroyo and Johnny Murphy cover the Two Great Dynastiy Teams of the '60s and '30s, I guess ...

Wetteland and Farr might still be on that list. Joe Page.  Wilcy Moore. Lindy McDaniel?

Ooh, that's 11.  What'd I get wrong?

John Northey - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#192264) #
Wow Mick, you know your Yankee history.  The top 10 is actually a top 11 due to a tie for 10th.  You got 10 of the 11 with Wilcy Moore being the wrong one, tied for 10th with 43 instead is Ryne Duren (50's + early 60's).

The obvious top 4 were all found there and you do mention #5.  Do you pick Arroyo, Murphy, Page, McDaniel, Wetteland or Farr?  It was one of them while the rest were between 43 and 78.  Once answered you must think of a new question :)

Matthew E - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#192265) #
I just looked and you got Moore wrong, although Duren was tied with Arroyo for tenth. Although you've probably looked it up by now.

But this Blue Jays, Yankees stuff is fairly easy for us. What about a challenge? Top ten career saves as a San Diego Padre. Go!

(The first one's really easy...)

Mick Doherty - Wednesday, September 10 2008 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#192273) #
John, if I had to guess that next spot, I'd think Murphy is probably over 100. But that's just a guess. Break it to me easy how wrong I am. I would've sworn Moore was up over 50 ...

I cede the "next question" to Matthew, who's already asked it. I can't possibly get all 10, but I do know the Pads have had three of top six or seven closers of all time at some point, so will start the guessing with Trevor Hoffman (duh!), Goose Gossage and Rollie Fingers. And just for the hell of it, here's another guess: Craig Lefferts?

Magpie - Thursday, September 11 2008 @ 01:23 AM EDT (#192275) #
Top ten career saves as a San Diego Padre.

Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman, Hoffman.

The real guys? uh... Hoffman, Fingers, Gossage, Davis, Lefferts... HELP!

Lance McCullers?
Magpie - Thursday, September 11 2008 @ 01:29 AM EDT (#192276) #
Johnny Murphy definitely had more than 100 saves (remember, I worked this subject earlier this year.) Murphy was actually the all-time saves leader for about ten years - he was the guy who passed Firpo Marberry, and he held the all-time record until sometime in the 1960s. One of those NL guys passed him, Face or McDaniel. I forget which.
John Northey - Thursday, September 11 2008 @ 06:36 AM EDT (#192281) #
You got it Mick. Murphy had 104 saves as a Yankee then 3 as a Red Sox in his final season.

What is funny is he was still effective when he was released by the Yankees in '46 (102 ERA+, 4-2 record with 7 saves, fewer hits than innings but walked as many as he struck out) and better in '47 (139 ERA+, 41 hits in 57 2/3 IP, 17 BB 28 K's) but still released again. Guess they just didn't notice when a reliever was effective back then like we do now. Of course, the Save wasn't even being tracked then either (retroactively applied).
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