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The Jays waste a fine effort from Jesse Litsch upon his return from purgatory (AAA). The bullpen implodes - let's take a closer look at that.


The Jays pen has been undoubtedly the strongest aspect of the team this season. Despite a myriad of injuries, which have seen the Jeremy Accardo, Brian Tallet and Brian Wolfe miss time (and Janssen the whole season), the Jays have by far the best bullpen in the American League. Their ERA (admittedly not the best measure of bullpen performance) has been the best in the AL, at 2.87 - half a run better than Tampa Bay, which has the second best ERA in the league.

Let's take a look at that pen, in terms of decreasing levels of Pitcher Leverage (PLi), which is a rough measure of the importance of the situation in which they've pitched (courtesy Fangraphs, before yesterday's games).

Pitcher IP  PLi   WPA   ERA
BJ Ryan  42.0 2.27 1.26 3.00
Jeremy Accardo 12.1 1.79 -0.59 6.57
Scott Downs 57.2 1.56 2.8 1.40
Brandon League 19.2 1.18 0.27 2.29
Bones Carlson 42.2 1.16 1.02 2.11
Brian Wolfe 18.0 1.03 -0.28 3.00
Shawn Camp 34.2 0.89 0.29 3.63
Brian Tallet 38.2 0.75 0.16 3.03
Jason Frasor 38.1 0.68 0.26 3.29
Scott Richmond   In the pen hasn't pitched as a reliever


As we can see, BJ Ryan has worked in the heaviest situations so far this year - he's the closer, its what you'd expect. Discounting Jeremy Accardo for the moment, because of his lack of playing time, and Scott Downs has been the clear number two man in pen. Downs has a WPA of 2.80, which is the 8th best amongst relievers. That includes closers! He's essentially helped his team more than any other middle reliever in baseball (well, along with Ron Mahay and Brad Ziegler). By this measure, Downs has been the second best Jay on the year.

After that, the Jays relievers Leverage Index roughly matches their effectiveness. Bones Carlson has been the Jays rookie of the year, without doubt, and has pitched in some tough situations. Brandon League has also been charged with pitching in important spots, and has mostly risen to the occasion. After these two, Shawn Camp and Jason Frasor have been the two righties, and have been reasonably but not spectacularly effective - Camp more so (and Frasor less so now...) Brian Tallet had also pitched fairly effectively before his injury. In summary, the Jays have basically had two elite left handers this year - Bones and Downs, and Ryan has been up and down but mostly up. The right handers in the pen have been slightly less effective, but have still had a positive effect on the team.

In any event, the pen blew it last night. Jason Frasor, having pitched two innings the previous night, was called upon again to get several crucial outs in the 8th. Brandon League was unavailable (let's hope at least) having pitched in three straight games. Scott Downs had twisted his ankle the previous night, which was his third straight appearance, making him unavailable. So if we're keeping track here, the Jays essentially had 4 relievers available heading into last nights 8th inning - Frasor, Camp, Carlson and Ryan (sorry Scott Richmond, you don't make the cut). Now I'll leave the missives about closer usage to other people, and we'll operate under the assumption that the Jays had the potential to use Camp, Carlson and Frasor. This is how that worked out:

J Carlson relieved J Litsch.10
C Granderson flied out to center.10
J Frasor relieved J Carlson.10
P Polanco walked.10
M Ordonez flied out to center.10
P Polanco to second on wild pitch by J Frasor.10
M Cabrera singled to left, P Polanco scored, M Cabrera to second advancing on throw.11
G Sheffield intentionally walked.11
M Joyce walked, M Cabrera to third, G Sheffield to second.11
E Renteria doubled to center, M Cabrera and G Sheffield scored, M Joyce to third.13
S Camp relieved J Frasor.13
B Inge singled to left, M Joyce and E Renteria scored.15
D Sardinha struck out swinging.

Now this is nitpicking of the highest order, but the Jays, in a crucial 1-0 situation, had three relievers. In terms of effectiveness, they would rate Carlson, Camp, Frasor, based on this year. Oh, and Camp hadn't pitched in 3 games and Carlson in 5 games, while as the aforementioned Frasor went two innings the night before. So what happens? Carlson gave up a massive fly ball to Curtis Granderson that just stayed in the park, gets pulled, and in comes Frasor, who issues a walk, gets a fly out, throws a wild pitch, gives up a hit, issues an intentional walk and then a regular walk. He's left in, gives up a double and thats all she wrote. Shawn Camp comes in, gives up a single to put things well out of hand, and gets a k to end the inning. In essence, I'm curious as to why Carlson faced only one batter (he has been reasonably more effective against lefties, but fairly effective against righties), and then why Frasor, as opposed to Camp, was brought in.

In general I would have to say that I'm pretty happy with the way Cito has managed the bullpen. However, his shortage of relievers last night was of his own making. He didn't have to use Downs and League, his go to guys, in a 7-2 win to open the Tigers series. Downs seemed to suffer a freak injury, but would have been unavailable anyway. And last night's loss was an example of how even good managers can make bad decisions. Hindsight is 20-20, but a rested Shawn Camp (or Jesse Carlson) would probably have been a more effective option than a tired Jason Frasor, if not in the middle of the inning then at least when Frasor had loaded the bases. Of course, it doesn't really matter at this point, but we're Jays fans - we have to find something to complain about, right?
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John Northey - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 10:43 AM EDT (#190702) #
One wonders if Cito is testing his pitchers for 2009.  Can he count on them for 3 games in a row?  How much is too much for each guy?  Will they tell him honestly what the situation is or will they lie to stay in the game?

Odds are Cito knows the odds are very, very long for the playoffs.  He admitted as much earlier when he set the goal for 2008 as 10 games over 500 (or an 86-76 record) which isn't enough for the playoffs.  Thus now is the time to see just what the limits are for each guy, find out how honest each is about their arm strength and then punish them if they lie about it by shooting their ERA through the roof.  I'd bet Frasor said he was A-OK and ready to go last night, then once it was clear he wasn't Cito left him in to see a) what happens (ie: can he recover even with a tired arm) and b) teach Frasor to tell the truth next time. 

Is this a great idea?  Hard to say.  It costs games at times (like last night most likely - when you score just one run though odds are against you) but also lets management know what to expect if a real critical situation comes up and might help them get real info from their own guys rather than bs.  Pitchers arms are hard to measure objectively and I suspect the best measure is the guy being honest about how sore it really is.  If he is tired then he becomes the 12 inning option.  If he isn't then he is available for the 8th.  Now is the time to experiment so I can live with it.  However, if the Jays were within 5 of a playoff spot and this happened I would be very frustrated.
Squiggy - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 12:16 PM EDT (#190704) #
I agree with John above, but would take it one step further in saying that there's nothing wrong with seeing, definitively, what they have in Frasor. I would like to see him pitch a lot more from here on out. For years we've been hearing about his great arm (and questionable makeup) and for the most part he has been the forgotten man in the pen the whole time - with the exception of his brief and disastrous foray into closerdom. If I were Cito, and knew i would be managing next year, I would want to see what the guy is made of. If he pitches well, then he is another late-inning, RH option for 2009. In any event, Janssen and Accardo are presumably back next year so there is a need to straighten out some roles.
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#190705) #
I already noted this elsewhere: Frasor had been pitching better than Camp over the last couple of weeks, and Carlson got rocked for a 415 foot drive by a LH batter. Frasor had worked in back to back games for Gaston before; he'd worked three innings and faced thirteen batters in two days before. On both occasions, he was just fine in the second game.

It's just that in three of those four games, the Jays were losing. In the other they had a five run lead.

I knew that about Frasor already. Gaston's learning it for himself.
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#190712) #
I have no issues with the bullpen usage yesterday - given the state of the bullpen.  The questionable bullpen usage actually occurred the game before.  4 run leads in the bottom of the ninth are what relievers like Camp, Parrish or Carlson are for.   Forget about Downs' injury, even if he had not gotten injured Downs would not have been available for yesterday's game.  Cito's has a history of riding his top 2-3 relievers hard (go talk to Duane Ward about that) and in that respect I think Gibbons' usage patterns were superior. 
John Northey - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#190719) #
Just read an article on BlueJays.com about McDonald's increased playing time and thought I'd check B-R to see how he has been hitting lately.

Gibbons (first 74 games of season): 36 PA 133/235/167 for a 402 OPS
Cito: 87 PA 250/289/342 for a 631 OPS
Since (and including) game #100 (has played 20 of 22 games since): 250/309/396 for a 705 OPS over 58 PA

Seems a bit of regular playing time has helped a lot. 

What about the guy who lost the job, Eckstein?
Gibbons: 278/361/358 for a 719 OPS (207 PA)
Cito:264/338/361 for a 699 OPS (82 PA)
Since (including) game #100:324/343/412 755 OPS over 36 PA

Eck has hit, overall, about the same under Cito as under Gibbons but Cito doesn't seem to be as big a fan as Eck's playing time keeps getting cut back.  If the spread is under 100 OPS points between them I can see playing McDonald due to defense, but when McDonald is closer to hitting 100 than 200 for average I can see benching him completely although Gibbons really should've found a way to give McDonald a real shot earlier on.
Four Seamer - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#190720) #
It may just be that Cito is a Stars Wars purist, and is none too pleased that Eckstein's wife has lent her talents to a certain cartoon movie.
92-93 - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#190721) #
JP said they tried to get Sexson, but he wanted to go to the Yankees. Now that NY waived him, will he try again?
John Northey - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#190723) #
I think with Sexson it depends on why he rejected the Jays the first time.  If it was just due to the Yankees being more likely to make the playoffs he might come now.  If he just didn't want to come to Canada or something like that then he probably won't come.

Seems funny though.  In 35 PA with the Yanks he hit 250/371/393 which isn't bad, especially given he was almost exclusively a pinch hitter (did that in 22 games).  Being a right hander he'd replace Mench on the team I'd suspect and become the  DH vs all LHP and some RHP with Stairs getting limited time vs RHP only.  A 90 OPS+ overall this year at age 33 with lifetime 120. 

Unless the Jays have a RH hitter they have been hiding around somewhere I see no problem with going after Sexson.  An upgrade on Mench, who wasn't very good defensively anyways, and wouldn't cost anything beyond the ML minimum.

Thomas - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#190724) #
Hopefully not. The Jays aren't seriously contending for a playoff spot, so there's no point in six weeks of Richie Sexson. He may be better against lefties than one or two of our current options, but I'd rather the at-bats go to someone with a (possible) future on the team in 2009.
92-93 - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 06:03 PM EDT (#190725) #
Wilkerson is starting in RF tonight, Rios is on the bench. Is this Gaston sending Alex a message, or him just getting a day off before a big stretch and Cito playing the career numbers vs. Byrd? I sort of hope it's the former.
Chuck - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#190726) #

Maicer Izturis out for the year. Time for Eckstein to go back to the Angels? Would he even slide that far on waivers?

tstaddon - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#190729) #
The Jays should definitely make a play for Sexson. Not only to replace Mench/platoon with Stairs, but to use at first. Overbay's OPS against LHP this season is > .600. Not Good Enough. Sexson's this season is above 900. If Richie were to sign and stick around until next season, he'd practically guarantee himself 250 at-bats against southpaws alone. Does he really have another, better job prospect at this point?

If Eckstein can slip through to either of the Los Angeles teams, the Jays would be wise to move him.
scottt - Friday, August 15 2008 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#190732) #
I'm glad Doc gets an extra day of rest.

Sexton would be perfect to complement Stairs/Overbay.

GregD - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 12:57 AM EDT (#190734) #
I don't undertsand why Cito didn't bring in B.J to face Joyce with two outs in the 8th. What was the point of walking Sheffield to get to Joyce since Sheffield looked awful in his previous at bats and Joyce is a lefty facing Frasor?  Ryan didn't pitch the previous night so it's not like he was tired. I doubt pitching to an extra batter would havw worn out Ryan.
Thomas - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 07:18 AM EDT (#190736) #
Overbay's OPS against LHP this season is > .600. Not Good Enough. Sexson's this season is above 900. If Richie were to sign and stick around until next season, he'd practically guarantee himself 250 at-bats against southpaws alone.

Lyle Overbay's career OPS against lefties is .745. Not great, but I think that's more indicative of his ability against southpaws than 100 at-bats this season. Sexson's is .878. However, he's clearly not the same player he used to be, so that split isn't entirely relevant. Since 2006, Sexson's yearly OPS totals against lefties have been .763, .752 and .992 this year. So, in almost three times as many plate appearances against lefties, from 2006-2007, Sexson was virtually an indentical hitter to Overbay against lefties.

Plus, the Blue Jays are going to carry four bench players next year, because that's what they always do. One will be the backup catcher. At least one, if not two, will come from Scutaro and McDonald. I'd rather use a bench spot on a backup outfielder that isn't Scutaro or second backup infielder (if Scoot or McDonald is annoited the starter) rather than on a defensively challenged first baseman who is not guarantee to hit lefties much better than Overbay to begin with.

IMO, Sexson's looking much better than he really is against lefties this year and Overbay's looking worse. Whatever upgrade would come from Sexson is mitigated because he eats up a bench spot and has a too narrowly defined role. Mench, just to use one example, has far more consistent career numbers against lefties (his 60 at-bats with the Jays are way out of line with his career totals prior to this season) and is useful as a backup outfielder.
Chuck - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 08:03 AM EDT (#190737) #
Cool save by Soria last night: 1 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 0 R.
Gerry - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 09:43 AM EDT (#190738) #

Jordan Bastian has a couple of stories to consider.

Aaron Hill is officially out for the season.

The status of the Jays draft picks at the deadline.

Gerry - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#190739) #
Scott Carson writes what we all have seen, Alex Rios has a lot of brain cramps.  He hopes Cito can get Rios to focus for three straight hours.
scottt - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#190744) #
Lyle Overbay's career OPS against lefties is .745. Not great, but I think that's more indicative of his ability against southpaws than 100 at-bats this season.

Is he just having an off year or is this the result of last year's wrist injury? I don't think there's much to lose by sitting him for 10-15 innings a year.

IMO, Sexson's looking much better than he really is against lefties this year

Yeah, going forward, Mench is more likely to rebound than Sexton.
scottt - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#190745) #
I meant 10-15 innings a week.
92-93 - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 02:33 PM EDT (#190746) #
Something caught my eye watching Cliff Lee own the Blue Jays last Sunday, so I just watched much of his start last night vs. the Angels to confirm. The top left section of Lee's cap is quite scuffed, as is the back portion of it - before each pitch, he touches both sections of his cap. While it's entirely possible that the cap's scuffing is coming from the dirt on his fingers, Kenny Rogers & "Smudgegate" got me thinking...
TamRa - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#190759) #
Wilner commented on that and said he couldn't understand why no team had ask for it to be checked out.


Chuck - Saturday, August 16 2008 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#190768) #
Wilner commented on that and said he couldn't understand why no team had ask for it to be checked out.

Probably because no other team is busily searching for a reason to discredit the pitcher likely to beat out their pitcher for the Cy Young.
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