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After Roy Halladay's thoroughly satisfying whitewash of the Yankees last week, I got to wondering where that game stood on the All-Time Pantheon of Doc's Masterpieces.

Pretty close to the top, you might well expect.

You might well indeed. Your expectation would be more or less spot on. The Game Score for Doc's 2-hit shutout of the Bombers was 90; it was one of the best games pitched in the majors this season. There have been just five games in the AL that scored at 90 or better: Jon Lester's no-hitter (94) and James Shields' one-hitter (93) are the only games that score better than Doc's game (Cliff Lee and Matt Garza are the other guys who've posted a 90 this season. The National has had three, a 91 from Tim Hudson and Hiroki Kuroda; Kuroda also has a 90 game.)

Anyway, I loaded all of Doc's starts into the spreadsheet, stirred the ingredients, and can now tell you that this was the fourth 90+ game of Doc's career. His 10 inning shutout of the Tigers in September 2003 also checks in at 90 - and does anyone actually remember Bobby Kielty, pinch-hitting for Reed Johnson and driving in Hinske to win the game in the bottom of the tenth?

Doc has had a couple of games that score slightly better. He didn't truly become Doc Halladay until mid 2001 when he returned, like Odysseus, from wanderings that had taken him through the lowest depths of the underworld (Hades, or A-ball if you prefer).  He finished off that season by blanking Cleveland on a two-hitter - Travis Fryman broke up the no-hitter with an eighth inning single, and Wil Cordero singled to lead off the ninth. The only other base runner reached on a Chris Woodward error, and was instantly erased on a double play. That one checks in at 91.

And the best of them all came in his should-have-been-a-second Cy Young if-not-for-Kevin-Mench campaign of 2005. Like his other three 90+ games, it came at the Dome by the Lake, and the Minnesota Twins provided the opposition. I was at that game, I was enormously impressed, and I posted somewhat enthusiastically about how astonishingly great Doc was when it was over. I wasn't the only one. Okay, it was just another two hit shutout. It checks in with a Game Score of 93. He struck out 10, he hit a guy, he didn't walk anyone. His left fielder didn't touch the baseball all night long; his right fielder didn't touch the ball until the ninth inning (Rios, replacing Gross handled a flyball). In centre, two balls came to Vernon Wells, and he caught them both. That's right - three balls out of the infield, all night long. He allowed two infield hits, neither of which even made it as far as the infield dirt - a bunt by Punto, and a slow roller from Shannon Stewart that Shea Hillenbrand couldn't dig out of his own glove. If Corey Koskie had been playing third base that night instead, it's probably a no-hitter. (And if it's Scott Rolen, forget about it!)

Anyway, I now have this cool spreadsheet with all of Roy Halladay's starts in them. So I can find out interesting things - like what's the highest number of pitches he's ever thrown in a game (126, three times.) How many times has he gone over 120 pitches? Seven times, once this year (the Cincinnati game) and four times last year. The Jays have lost 6 of those 7 games, and Doc himself is 1-3 in them. What's his most economical complete game? The Cleveland game in 2001, mentioned above - he needed just 83 pitches that night.

So, if anyone has any questions... did you know Doc once walked 6 guys in a start? Well, of course you knew that , he did it last year. He did it three times before, once in less than four innings. Most batters he's faced in a game? Why 36, on five different occasions. The fewest would be 4, which has happened twice - once in a 2006 start when a Garret Anderson liner caught him on the pitching elbow. The other was a disastrous relief outing during his personal Season From Hell.

And then I got to wondering... where do Doc's four masterpieces stand on the All-Time Blue Jays pantheon?

At this point... well, we're gonna need a bigger boat.  Stay tuned, maybe I won't forget about this one.

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paulf - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 03:37 AM EDT (#189589) #
I think my favourite Doc game is this one. Doc vs. Unit. Both go the distance, Doc comes out with 3H, 1BB, 9K. Just as impressive though is the fact that the only runs come off the bat of Eric Hinske, of all people. A two-run shot off one of the greatest southpaws ever. Now that's a story to tell your kids.
Magpie - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 03:53 AM EDT (#189590) #
That was indeed a memorable, memorable game - the cries of "Dude" echoing around the Box and environs when Hinske struck the big blow - way cool.

That game against the Unit stands as Doc's best ever road game, with a Game Score of 89.  The Bobby Higginson Game was also an 89.
iains - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#189609) #
Silly question, but how is game score calculated? 
Magpie - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#189611) #
How is Game Score calculated?

Bill James designed the Game Score so that the "average" start would score at about 50.

Start with 50 points.
Add 1 point for each out recorded.
Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th.
Add 1 point for each strikeout.
Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed.
Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed.
Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed.
Subtract 1 point for each walk.
China fan - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#189613) #
Not sure where to post this, but Scott Richmond has been called up by the Jays and will start Wednesday's game at home.  I posted a longer version of this news on the minor-league thread.  When was the last time a Canadian pitcher was the starter for the Jays at home in the regular season?
iains - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#189617) #
Thanks Magpie
Chuck - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#189619) #
When was the last time a Canadian pitcher was the starter for the Jays at home in the regular season?

Denis Boucher?
JohnL - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#189626) #
When was the last time a Canadian pitcher was the starter for the Jays at home in the regular season?

Denis Boucher?

Paul Quantrill made 20 starts in 1996

Spifficus - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#189628) #
When was the last time a Canadian pitcher was the starter for the Jays at home in the regular season?

Denis Boucher?

Paul Quantrill made 20 starts in 1996


Paul Spoljaric?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TOR/TOR199909250.shtml


Anders - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#189642) #
The Bobby Higginson Game was also an 89.

I was at this game, and it still resonates. If Higginson's shot bounces off that left field wall for a double, Roy clocks in at 93. Of course, he wasn't Roy Halladay then - he recorded 7 groundball outs and 10 flyouts, to go with 8 k's and 4 line drives.
Quwyetr - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 07:14 PM EDT (#189654) #
I started following the Jays closely starting with the 2003 season, so I had always wondered, what were everyones feelings towards Halladay's return to A ball? Did people believe he would make it back to the majors as an ace? regular starter? reliever? flame out?
Magpie - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#189655) #
At the time, it just seemed weird to me. Couldn't think of anything like it being tried before. Had no idea if it work, if he'd ever be any good. He hadn't really been all that impressive in 1999.

But I saw his first game back in 2001. He came out of the bullpen and gave up 6 runs, which sounds bad - but he was dominating anyway. Completely different than the guy we'd seen before (there was a flurry of bloops and bleeders and bad breaks that led to the rally). It was the first day of Doc...

christaylor - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#189656) #
I remember thinking that him being sent down was just such wasted promise. I thought we'd never see him again or worse, see him again slaughtering the Jays in another uniform.

I've never been so happy to be so wrong about a player.
Original Ryan - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#189659) #
I wasn't too impressed by Halladay back in 1999, despite his respectable ERA.  He was allowing a lot of baserunners and wasn't striking out very many guys, plus he had never been a big strikeout guy in the minors.  To be honest, I was skeptical that he had the ability to be a quality major league pitcher.  It didn't surprise me that he had a rough time in 2000, although I never expected him to flame out as spectacularly as he did.

I had largely written him off after he was sent all the way back to A-ball in 2001.  If you had told me then that he'd win a Cy Young Award two years later, I would have thought you were nuts.  He's a completely different pitcher now and he's worked hard to get where he is today.  I think it's a remarkable story.
Matthew E - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#189660) #
My impressions of Halladay were solidified in... I suppose it was sometime in 1999 (when Halladay went 8-7, 3.92), during a TSN broadcast. Shulman and Martinez were discussing the Jays' trio of young starting pitchers, and Martinez was breaking them down for Shulman. The exchange went something like this:

DS: Which one has the best stuff?
BM: Escobar has the best stuff. Carpenter is the most polished.
DS: What about Halladay?
(pause)
DS, BM: (laughter, because the thought of having, in some way, to do something as silly and unnecessary and basically impossible as defend Halladay's awesome potential could provoke no other reply)

Dave Till - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#189662) #
That's what I remember about Halladay, too - scouts just raved about him. Think of the hype that McGowan got while coming up, and multiply it by about 8.

And you have to admit - the scouts kinda got that one right. There's no doubt about it now: Halladay is the best Jays pitcher ever. I think he's passed Stieb by now.

Matthew E - Monday, July 28 2008 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#189666) #
Well, Stieb is less fresh in our memory, but overall I'd still have to put Stieb ahead. He's thrown a lot more innings, he's had more big seasons, he had the no-hitter, he had a win in the LCS...
Mike D - Tuesday, July 29 2008 @ 08:38 AM EDT (#189683) #
I was living in New York in '05 and caught the Twins game on a weekend visit to Toronto. That was the best pitching performance I ever witnessed in person. I remember Matt LeCroy's freakout after Halladay's last strikeout pitch in the 9th. He swung and missed, and his body language was saying "you have GOT to be kidding me," even as he was still in mid-swing.
zeppelinkm - Tuesday, July 29 2008 @ 10:46 AM EDT (#189709) #

I'm trying to find a log that shows it, but it was either during his 19 - 7 season or his Cy Young season (pretty sure it was the Cy Young season) where he had that ridiculous run of games where he didn't lose any. Only win's and no decisions.

Roy Halladay is the man, plain and simple. I was a huge baseball fan when I was growing up in the early 90's. The strike took something out of me as did the suckitude of the Jays in the years immediately preceeding it. What can I say - I was 15 or so and committment wasn't my strong point. I gradually lost interest in baseball - I was still a casual fan but I didn't tune in on a daily basis the way I have the last 4 - 5 years.

Then, and I'll admit it - McGuire started chasing some old record. That peaked my interest and I started watching games again (Jays games!). But it wasn't until this guy with easily the coolest nickname ever went on this incredible streak that I really returned as a Hardcore Fan.

My memory says it was over 15 games but didn't crack 20?  I can't remember! But all I know is that somewhere about half way into that streak, I started going out of my way to tune into the games where he started. And what a pleasure he was to watch. Catcher catches the ball, throws it back. 2 - 3 seconds elapse and Roy's like "naw, you take it" and heaves it back. Meanwhile, batters standby helplessly wondering when he's going to throw a pitch that ends up anywhere remotely close to where it started. They really should have kept track of broken bats by pitchers that year.

And it's been a slow "reel me in" since then, as the Jays have not been the easiest team to cheer for over the past 5 - 6 years. But Halladay's always been the exception. He's always been the easiest guy to cheer for, to root for, to want to see succeed. Has he ever said the wrong thing? Has he ever given flack to a teammate for making a costly error? Has he ever turned his back on the team?

I'm going to echo some comments that have been said on here a lot recently (in light of his "speaking out"). More then any other player i've ever watched, I never want to see Roy Halladay in another uniform but the Jays. As a poster said on here, to see him leave would fill me with a genuine, deep saddness.  But the other side of me, the practical, real life decision making side says that there is a man, more so then any other i've ever cheered for, that deserves what he wants. He wants a championship, and he sure as hell deserves it.  I would not begrudge him if he ever left to go chase his dream, but no kidding, I might just cry a little.

I tip my hat to Roy Halladay.

The man had his shin shattered and he still got the out at first base.

 

Chuck - Tuesday, July 29 2008 @ 12:16 PM EDT (#189714) #

I think he's passed Stieb by now.

Odd that you would say that Dave. I would have thought that yours would be the sentiment of a much younger fan. You (and I) are old enough to have witnessed Stieb's career. Halladay may well surpass Stieb, but I would argue that he ain't there yet.

Stieb: 2895 IP, ERA+ 122
Halladay: 1721 IP, ERA+ 130

Stieb has the obvious edge in innings. Halladay is ahead in ERA+, though Stieb logged 170 really crappy innings at the end of his career whereas Halladay has yet to deal with his decline phase.

Quwyetr - Tuesday, July 29 2008 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#189717) #
Zep, I believe that was his Cy Young year where he lost the first 2 decisions then reeled off a 12 game win streak and 15 winning decisions overall before his next lost. What you said about him leaving is pretty much how I feel right now. Really torn about that.

The Old Halladay did hit his decline. Remember, he does own the record for highest era with over 50 innings pitched in a season. Really though, Halladay has changed quite a bit since he came up. From power pitcher to the guy with the crazy curveball to what he is today. With his control, it wouldn't be unreasonable to project him as aging quite well and it might even be possible that he never does have such terrible decline years. But then again, he's a pitcher so his arm could fall off tomorrow.

Quwyetr - Tuesday, July 29 2008 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#189718) #
Oops my bad on the hyperlink there. Can't seem to get it working either, blah. Here's the link anyways http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=6134&year=2003
Chuck - Tuesday, July 29 2008 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#189721) #
With his control, it wouldn't be unreasonable to project him as aging quite well and it might even be possible that he never does have such terrible decline years. But then again, he's a pitcher so his arm could fall off tomorrow.

Actually, the arm-falling-off scenario (a la Koufax) would help Halladay's career ERA. It's the long, healthy decline phase that can give the career ERA a good shit kicking. Greg Maddux has spent the past quarter of his career putting up 1200 innings of an ERA over 4.
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 29 2008 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#189723) #
Through age 28 in 1986, Stieb had thrown 1859 innings with an ERA+ of 127.  He had 4 good seasons left.  Stieb's peak from 1983-85 was a smidge better than Halladay's (so far), if you look at ERA+ and innings pitched.  On the other hand, Halladay has made more effective use of his run support than Stieb (BP has Stieb at -6 through 1986 in dW, whereas Halladay is at +10 so far).

I do anticipate that Halladay will pass Stieb, but right now, from a career perspective, he's got a ways to go. 



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