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Cito Gaston and Bobby Cox face off again, the Jays' pitchers get to deal with an offensive juggernaut, and their bats run into some overachieving pitchers.


Tonight, it's righty Jair Jurrjens, whose 3.20 ERA ranks him 10th-best in the NL. He was acquired from the Tigers along with Gorkys Hernandez in the Edgar Renteria trade. Jurrjens is a 22-year-old rookie from Curacao. His fastball is around 92, and his pitch is a dirty moving changeup in the mid-80s which he throws often, even to righties. He also throws the odd slider. As a Changeup Guy, Jurrjens has a 35-point OPS split. The only Jay who's faced Jurrjens in the majors is Brad Wilkerson, who is 0-1 with a walk and a strikeout. He has a fan club - Jurrjens' Surgeons. Makes sense. Only two alternatives I can think of off the top of my head are sturgeons and virgins.

Tomorrow, it's the last surviving effective member of the Big Three: Tim Hudson. Hudson's 2.96 ERA is sixth in the NL. He's a less dominant version of Roy Halladay - another very aggressive pitcher with a hard, heavy sinker. His breaking ball is a harder slider rather than Doc's curveball and he doesn't lean quite as heavily on a cutter. But the results are basically the same: he goes after hitters and they beat the ball into the ground. As a Sinker/Slider Guy, Hudson has huge splits. Over the last three years, righties have hit .228/.266/.261 against Hudson, while lefties have hit .259/.321/.449. That's a 243-point OPS differential. Most Jays regulars have decent career numbers against Hudson. One notable exception is David Eckstein, but he has hit one scrappy homer off Hudson in his career.

Sunday, it's Jo-Jo Reyes, the first Jo-Jo to play in the bigs since Jo-Jo White retired in 1944. Reyes is a 23-year-old lefty. The Braves took him 43rd overall in the 2003 draft out of high school. Reyes throws pretty hard for a lefty - around 91 - and is your generic four-pitch pitcher with a changeup, slider and big slow curve in the low 70s. He bears an odd resemblance to Brian Wolfe. The pitch fx machine says Reyes starts 75% of batters with fastballs, and in 3-2 counts, he's gone with the heater 23 out of 24 times. He's played as a groundball pitcher thus far this year and generally pitches to contact. In his last start, the Brewers hung four runs on him in 2.1 innings.

The Braves are the unluckiest team in baseball, according to Pythagoras. Their projected record is 44.4-35.6, yet they're two games under .500 and fourth in their division behind the Mets and Marlins. What's going on?

I expected their bullpen to have some kind of ungodly negative WPA, but they actually only have a merely bad -0.58. Not great, but not season-killing on its own. Rafael Soriano has been stuck on the DL with lingering elbow problems, which has forced everyone else in the bullpen into higher-leverage situations than they were meant to face. In his place, Peter Moylan, Manny Acosta, John Smoltz and Blaine Boyer have all taken turns playing hot potato with the closer's role. Now, that role has fallen to returning lefty Mike Gonzalez, the pitcher they got back from Pittsburgh in the Adam LaRoche trade. Gonzalez is a year removed from Tommy John surgery. He's a fastball-slider guy who will hand out walks, but he has experience closing and enough stuff to succeed, provided he's healthy. He's 2-2 in save opportunities so far.
This bullpen in general is full of groundball pitchers who will hand out walks. So, although the Jays are setting out to redefine themselves as a team that won't hesitate to swing at hittable pitches, patience is probably going to be a virtue in the late innings.

The Braves have been unlucky on the injury front as well. Chipper Jones has been battling a strained right quad. He's sat out five games in a row after seeing his average fall to a dismal .395. If he plays this weekend, it'll be as a DH. Yunel Escobar has struggled through shoulder and hip injuries but will probably play at some point this weekend. Omar Infante is playing third in Chipper's place, but he pulled his hamstring Wednesday and may not play this weekend. Mark Kotsay is on the DL.

The replacements have performed pretty competently, though. Infante is hitting in the .280s. 24-year-old left fielder Brandon Jones, who figured out AA on his second try last year, has batted .310 in 46 PA with a homer. And Gregor Blanco has done a respectable Reggie Willits impression as the everyday center fielder.

Atlanta's lineup is pretty stacked in general, but there has been one noteworthy hole: Jeff Francoeur. Frenchy, who's only 24 and already in his fourth season as a big leaguer, is hitting .248/.302/.399 with the least power he's ever shown at the major-league level. Francoeur is one of the most aggressive hitters in baseball but still strikes out a fair amount. He has 4 strikeouts per walk over his career. From 2005 to 2007 he had a 173-point OPS split; he's actually hiting righties a bit better than lefties this year, but this is probably still the one guy you probably want to avoid having a lefty face with the game on the line.

2008 slogan: Welcome to the Bigs. I don't get it. I guess they have lots of rookies. Rating: *1/4

The Credit Section: All offensive stats, pitches per PA for pitchers and league average stats are from the Hardball Times. Pitchers' stats and leverage indices are from Fangraphs. Minor-league stats are from Minor League Splits and First Inning. K% and BB% are strikeouts and walks as a percentage of plate appearances; GB% + LD% + FB% = 100.



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Mick Doherty - Friday, June 27 2008 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#188104) #

Jurrjens' Surgeons.

Do the sit together at games under a sign that proclaims it Jair's Lair? Do they have novelty baseball caps that include Jair Hair? Maybe that same novelty cap wig has Jairy Curls?

Please come back for the early evening show!

Magpie - Friday, June 27 2008 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#188105) #
The Braves are the unluckiest team in baseball, according to Pythagoras. Their projected record is 44.4-35.6, yet they're two games under .500 and fourth in their division behind the Mets and Marlins. What's going on?

Two things. Their record in 1-run games is 4-20. That is not a typo. It is, however, simply unbelievable. Only the Blue Jays have lost as many close games (Toronto is 11-20, no one else has lost more than 15) and no one has won so seldom (Cleveland is 6-8, the White Sox are 7-9.) If they had just been able to split their close games, they'd be 4 games in front of the Phillies.

And partially because of their struggles in close games, they have a terrible record away from home. The Braves are 28-14 at Turner Field, but they have the worst road record in the major leagues (11-27) - yes, worse than San Diego, worse than Colorado, worse than Seattle. The Braves have lost 22 consecutive one-run games on the road, a streak that goes back to last season.
92-93 - Friday, June 27 2008 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#188107) #
Chipper is out of the lineup tonight, apparently he can't even DH. That's huge for the Jays, all of a sudden their lineup looks a heck of a lot less menacing.
Geoff - Friday, June 27 2008 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#188108) #
What are the odds of seeing three one-run games this weekend?

greenfrog - Saturday, June 28 2008 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#188123) #
I wonder if Parrish will attract any interest at the trade deadline. If he continues to pitch well over the next month, I could him being a useful 5th starter or reliever for a contender. Of course, it would be preferable to have him help the Jays climb back into contention instead.
Thomas - Saturday, June 28 2008 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#188124) #
I wonder if Parrish will attract any interest at the trade deadline.

I'd be shocked if the Jays could get anything more than a C+ prospect for Parrish.
CeeBee - Saturday, June 28 2008 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#188126) #
If Parrish has a few good games how about keeping him as our only lefty starter and try to trade A.J.?  I think that A.J. could net a better player than Parrish and we sure could use a lefty starter, even if he is a fourth or fifth starter type. Jays could even add a reliever to the deal try to land a better prospect.
Chuck - Saturday, June 28 2008 @ 09:32 PM EDT (#188127) #

If Parrish has a few good games how about keeping him as our only lefty starter and try to trade A.J.? 

I wonder if Burnett's trade value is somewhat diminished by the option he has to stick around for 2 more years and $24M. Any team acquiring him would have to hope he didn't tank or get hurt, making it a possibility he'd exercise up his option rather than pursue free agency.

92-93 - Saturday, June 28 2008 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#188129) #
Or would need a SP more than the Jays to bolster a playoff run and would be happy with the picks in the event he did leave?
Chuck - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#188133) #
I'm just saying that Burnett has less value than your typical rent-a-player because of the threat of a potentially unwanted $24M commitment.
lexomatic - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 12:24 PM EDT (#188136) #
If Parrish has a few good games how about keeping him as our only lefty starter and try to trade A.J.?
I wonder if Burnett's trade value is somewhat diminished by the option he has to stick around for 2 more years and $24M. Any team acquiring him would have to hope he didn't tank or get hurt, making it a possibility he'd exercise up his option rather than pursue free agency.
i may be wrong.. but don't players traded in the middle of a multi-year contract have the right to become free agents anyways? making this concern moot.
Chuck - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 12:30 PM EDT (#188137) #

don't players traded in the middle of a multi-year contract have the right to become free agents anyways?

I believe they have a right to demand a trade at the end of the season in which they are traded. And I think this applies to free agents only, not all players in multi-year contracts. But I could be wrong about all of this.

China fan - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 12:57 PM EDT (#188138) #
Scott Downs now has MLB's longest current streak of innings without an unearned run (25 innings).   He has pitched more innings than anyone else in the bullpen, he has the best ERA on the team (1.23) and he is holding the opposition to a batting average of .211 and an SLG of just .271.   While there is legitimate debate about the value of some of the long-term contracts handed out to various Jays over the past year or two, Downs seems to be one player who is fully justifying his contract so far.
China fan - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#188139) #
   On another note -- Cito has got Eckstein as the DH today, while Adam Lind is riding the bench.  I expect some cries of outrage from a number of Bauxites.  Is that the sound of people jumping off the Cito bandwagon? 
Anders - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#188140) #
   On another note -- Cito has got Eckstein as the DH today, while Adam Lind is riding the bench.  I expect some cries of outrage from a number of Bauxites.  Is that the sound of people jumping off the Cito bandwagon?

Well Jo-Jo Reyes is a lefty, as is Joe Inglett, so if neither of those guys start the Jays options are fairly limited - they have a four man bench, consisting of Wilkerson, McDonald, Catcher and one of Scutaro/Inglett/Eckstein.

 I suppose Zaun could have DH'd instead of Eckstein, but I don't think this is completely out of the blue.
Anders - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#188141) #
I should say that Lind is a lefty - also he took a ball off the knee yesterday and is apparently being given the day off.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#188142) #
There is nothing wrong with sitting Adam Lind against a lefty.  Zaun hits lefties quite well, but with only two catchers on the roster, you can imagine why Cito might opt to give him the day off and have him available to come off the bench in the unlikely event that he needs to pinch-run for Barajas late in the game.
Matthew E - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#188143) #
Trivia question, just for grins. This one's easy to look up, so don't look it up. Memory only. As Jerry Seinfeld said, "I'm sure that we'll all feel comfortable within the confines of the honor system."

The Jays have been to the World Series twice, and won both times. That's eight wins. Of those eight wins, six went to the bullpen (including three for Duane Ward!). Who were the two Toronto starting pitchers to register World Series wins?
scottt - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#188144) #
He could have pinched hit Inglett in the eighth, but why bother?

So here is your one-run ball game.

Nice to see Burnett winning some games.

Flex - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#188146) #
Trivia answer (total stab in the dark):

David Cone and Jimmy Key?
westcoast dude - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#188147) #

There just has to be a way Burnett comes back next year. If it takes a World Series win to make it happen, then so be it. With Cito's hand on the tiller, the sky is the limit for Alex Rios, and that is Good News. 

Happy 30th, Mighty Joe Inglett.

Matthew E - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#188148) #
Flex: one yes, one no.
King Rat - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 06:17 PM EDT (#188151) #
Key won Game 4 of 1992. He also won Game 6, but not as a starter.

Juan Guzman, for the other win?

Dave Till - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 06:38 PM EDT (#188152) #
Unfortunately, Burnett will only come back if he pitches badly the rest of the way (or if the Jays really make a late-season charge under Cito). If he keeps this up, he'll land a five-year deal somewhere - and you can't blame him for taking the money. I'm just hoping it's not with the Yankees or the Red Sox.

Rios seems to have turned it around under Cito. My guess is that Cito told him just to relax and think about taking a fastball and hitting it very hard somewhere. And it's working.

Matthew E - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#188154) #
Not Guzman.

Everybody forgets this other win, for some reason. But I was particularly pleased by it when it happened.

Anders - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#188155) #
 With Cito's hand on the tiller, the sky is the limit for Alex Rios, and that is Good News.

Well, Rios has shown that he's been a pretty good hitter in the past also - he was an all-star the last two years, after all.

In the 9 games since Cito took over, Rios is 15 for 39 with 7 doubles, a homer and 2 walks. In the 8 games leading up to Gibbon's firing, Rios was 9 for 28 with 2 doubles and 2 walks. Most of the recent damage came in the five games immediately following Gibbons' departure, when Rios went 11 for 24. Can we really expect the simple act of changing the manager/hitting coach to have made that big a difference, that quickly? Who's to say Rios wasn't already heating up when Gibbons was fired?

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. After this, therefore because of this - just because Rios started hitting well after Gibbons left doesn't mean it's because of Cito, especially not with a nine game sample. Rios has had three or four similar hot streaks so far this season.

ayjackson - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#188156) #

Rios has had three or four similar hot streaks so far this season.

Really?  Rios is slugging over .600 since Cito took over.  I'd bet there hasn't been an 8 game stretch where he's even slugged .500, let alone .600 or .650.  That's been the problem since day 1 of the season - even when he was batting .340 and on base .440, he wasn't slugging.  I think a lot of the discredit has to go to Denbo and his methods with regard to Rios.

It may be luck, but it seems a bit too coincidental too me.  Of course, the amatuer Sabremetricians (general reference - no comment on previous poster intended) are scrambling to convince themselves that nothing intangible is going on around here these days.

Mike Green - Sunday, June 29 2008 @ 10:28 PM EDT (#188157) #
One-run Jays-Braves game is the resistable force meeting the movable object.  Somebody has got to win, and it might as well be the good guys. 
Anders - Monday, June 30 2008 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#188163) #
Really?  Rios is slugging over .600 since Cito took over.  I'd bet there hasn't been an 8 game stretch where he's even slugged .500, let alone .600 or .650.

April 14th-27th: 12 G, 47 AB, 18 H, 2 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 3BB, .383/.420/.596
June 4th-13th: 8 G, 31 AB, 12 H, 4 2B, 3 BB, .387/.441/.516

That last stretch conveniently coincides with, uh, right before Gibbons got fired.
Quwyetr - Monday, June 30 2008 @ 12:57 AM EDT (#188164) #
Those slugging percentages are largely batting average inflated. Rios' last seven games at.423/.464/.654 shows a little more power, closer to the levels he has shown to be capable of, namely the first half of the last 2 seasons. I find it hard to say that this is due to the regime change for now, but if Rios continues hitting with something along the lines of .300/.360/.540 (pretty much his lines from the first halves of the last 2 seasons) then I might be more inclined to believe that Cito and his men are doing something to affect him.  Or it could just be Alexis showing his annual glimpses of awesome.


ayjackson - Monday, June 30 2008 @ 10:31 AM EDT (#188172) #

That last stretch conveniently coincides with, uh, right before Gibbons got fired.

Nice research.  Did you have to export game logs to an excel file, or was there an easier way to get the info?  I was thinking after I posted, and Q alluded to this, looking at IsoP instead of slugging would be a better exercise.

Anders - Monday, June 30 2008 @ 12:39 PM EDT (#188176) #
The incomparably good baseballreference.com makes it ridiculously easy. Just go to a player page, and there is a splits section you can go to. They list all the games, and you just click on a start date and an end date, and voila, they tally it for you in half a second.

For Rios.

And no, I'm not trying to be ornery, and yes, Rios is hitting for more power, to be certain. His IsoP of .256 in the 9 games since Cito took over is way higher than his .159 career mark or the .214 he has a couple of years ago - I guess I am just skeptical that a hitting coach can turn any player from Brian Giles into Micky Mantle. While I do think there has been some effect from changing the hitting coach and manager, just thinking about it logically, if changing a coach was enough of a difference to turn a poor hitter into a fantastic hitter, especially over a period of four days, that would be a pretty big thing.
ayjackson - Monday, June 30 2008 @ 01:12 PM EDT (#188179) #
I think it has more to do with Denbo than Tenace/Gaston.  It may speak to the fog that Denbo had Rios in - though I'm far from convinced.
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