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Norfolk 4 Syracuse 5

The Chiefs walked off with a win in Syracuse today as Danny Sandoval blasted a two-run shot with one down in the ninth to make a winner out of reliever Brandon League. Pinch-hitter Russ Adams led-off the ninth with a single and Wayne Lydon bunted him up to second setting the table for Sandoval's heroics.

Bill Murphy got the start for Syracuse and went six innings allowing three runs (two earned) on eight hits and three walks. Mike Gosling pitched the seventh while League went the final two, allowing one hit and striking out three.

Adam Lind returned to the line-up after a missing a couple of games and went 0-for-4.

Portland 17 New Hampshire 11

Every time the Sea Dogs scored, the Fisher Cats responded. Unfortunately, they usually responded with far fewer runs. Portland put up innings of 7, 4, and 3 runs which easily outdistanced New Hampshire, who only made the score somewhat respectable with a five run ninth.

Aaron Wideman started and lasted four innings, allowing nine runs, though only three were earned, thanks to a costly Anthony Hatch error. That's about all I want to say about the pitching. So maybe we'll just focus on the offense.

Ryan Patterson continued his hot play of late with a 4-for-5 effort which included his 8th homer and 18th double on the year. Patterson also homered twice yesterday and is now hitting 297/344/516 on the year. Brian Jeroloman also homered for the Cats and Jacob Butler added three hits.

Travis Snider made his first outfield start on the year and was 0-for-2 before being replaced by Josh Kreuzer. Bauxite ramone reports that Snider was hit in the head while in the on-deck circle. I haven't been able to find anything online but will update the story if any news breaks.

Dunedin 4 Lakeland 0

Sunday's match-up pitted Dunedin's Kyle Ginley against the jewel of the Detroit Tigers system, Rick Porcello. And for the fourth time this year, Porcello wasn't able to defeat the D-Jays, thanks to Ginley's pitching and a three run first for Dunedin.

Dunedin jumped all over Porcello with four hits in the first including J.P. Arencibia's 20th double on the year. Cory Patton and Brad Emaus added RBI singles. Dunedin then rounded out the scoring in the fifth on Arencibia's 10th homer on the year. J.P. remains one of the hottest players in the minors and could be promoted to New Hampshire by the end of June. Over his past ten games, Arencibia is hitting .419 and has daily RBI totals of: 2,3,2,3,2,2,0,3,1,2. Not bad.

On the mound Ginley improved to 5-0 with Dunedin and 10-0 on the season with six innings of shutout ball in which he scattered five hits and struck out six. His ERA now stands at 1.93 in the Florida St League.

Lansing 1 South Bend 0

A group effort on the mound for the Lugnuts today as Trystan Magnuson started and went four innings allowing two hits and one walk while striking out three. Chi-Hung Cheng relieved Magnuson and put togther his best appearance on the season going three scoreless innings and eventually picking up his third victory. Joe Wice pitched the eighth and Cody Crowell nailed down his seventh save on the year with a perfect ninth. Crowell, who struck out two, has allowed just 13 hits and 3 earned runs in 28.1 innings while striking out and impressive 44.

The only run of the game came in the top of the 8th with Darin Mastroianni's two-out bunt single. Mastroianni advanced to second on a throwing error and scored when the next batter, Justin Jackson, singled. After struggling for the better part of May, Jackson seems to have found his footing again and is hitting .303 in his past ten games with an impressive 11:9 BB:K ratio. His season line currently stands at 258/392/409.

Three Stars:

3rd Star: J.P. Arencibia- 2-for-3, 2B, HR, 2 RBI

2nd Star: Kyle Ginley- Win (10-0). 6 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 6 K.

1st Star: Ryan Patterson- 4-for-5, 2B, HR, 3 RBI

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ramone - Sunday, June 01 2008 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#186356) #

Here is some online confirmation for you Braden, from Kevin Gray's blog in the Union Leader:

Scary moment: Travis Snider was standing in the on-deck circle when a foul ball of the bat of Aaron Mathews struck him in the helmet. He replaced by Josh Kreuzer in left field. Snider seemed a little groggy, but I don’t think it’s a serious head injury or anything.

http://www.unionleader.com/blogs/gray.aspx

Mike Green - Sunday, June 01 2008 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#186358) #
Arencibia goes homer, double, walk  (and no K) in 4 plate appearances of a Purcello start.  Sometimes the baseball gods speak loudly and this is one of those.  I was completely wrong about him.

I notice that Joel Collins got the start on Saturday.  He is still a fine prospect, as well, in my opinion.  There is nothing wrong with having 3 of them; heck, there is nothing wrong in having 5.  The attrition rate is very high.

ANationalAcrobat - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 01:33 AM EDT (#186360) #
I was completely wrong about him.

Except you weren't. I was checking out the BB pre-season prospect list earlier this week to see what people were saying about Arencibia, and I noticed you wrote this about his #13 ranking:

The big issue with Arencibia, as it often is for catchers, is health. He's had nagging back and wrist injuries which have sapped his power for a year. If he is healthy entering 2008 and the power returns, he will probably be a top 5 prospect by mid-season.

It's a pretty bold prediction, and obviously an accurate one.

Maldoff - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#186364) #
My worry with Arencibia continues to be his patience at the plate.  While he has only struck out approximately 18% of the time he has been up, his K/BB ratio is above 4. The guy just doesn't want to take a walk!
Halladayfan32 - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 10:02 AM EDT (#186365) #

This is a quote from the New Hampshire Union Leader regarding Snider:

"It kind of grazed off the side of his head," said manager Gary Cathcart. "You can never tell about those things so we kind of erred on the side of caution. ... He seems to be fine so hopefully he'll be right back in there tomorrow."

tstaddon - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#186372) #
An Open Letter To Loyalists:

I'm eternally pragmatic in terms of roster construction and system development. Almost absolutely, I believe the only way to operate a franchise is with one eye on the future at all times. But watching the Jays and their divisional foes through the month of May, I can't help but feel the tug of one restless suggestion: Now is the time to go for it. No looking back.

Tampa Bay will continue to be competitive and, if things break right, wont come back to earth for the next half-decade. Boston's got the system, resources, executive aptitude and roster flexibility to ensure they'll continue to be the bar by which the rest of the division is measured for years to come. New York will not tolerate losing, has peerless resources and several high-ceiling pitching talents. More than ever, it's hard to argue that Ricciardi must be aggressive on the trade front -- NOW. We have the pitching to last until September. We have the pitching to push through a five or seven game series. We do not hit in the same league as any of the teams we'd meet there.

JP: Be bold. Regard even the biggest prize out there: a year-and-a-half of Matt Holliday (plus the two draft picks you'll likely receive when he signs elsewhere after 2009).  Might that not worth be David Purcey. Adam Lind. Brian Tallet. Jason Frasor. Brandon League. Jeremy Accardo. Robinzon Diaz. Is Holliday not worth five of those names right now? Is he not worth contemplating a move that involves any minor leaguer not named Snider? For better or worse, those mentioned above currently fill depth positions for the Jays, can be relatively easily replaced and might appeal to a team looking to re-load with MLB-ready talent. Consider their value relative to an Adam Dunn. A Jason Bay.

Again, I'm a huge proponent of drafting, developing, possessing minor and major league roster flexibility, depth and so on. But the window is narrow, faithful. And unless Ricciardi recognizes that, we may miss it. I haven't felt this close in a decade. Does anyone else feel the pull as strongly as I?
ChicagoJaysFan - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#186373) #
That's not even close to what it would take to get Holliday.

The bidding would start with Snider and increase from there.  It would probably take Snider and Cecil plus other pieces to complete a deal for Holliday.  We're talking a 28 year-old with a career OPS+ of 130 who steals 10+ bases a year and is a solid defensive LF.  A package where the best player is a 30-year old setup man (Tallet) and the best prospect projects as a back-up catcher (Diaz) is not going to get it done.

As you said it, all the players you named are "relatively easily replaced" and no team is going to give up a two-time all-star for that.

As an aside, I'm not one that thinks its a good idea to get in on that bidding.  Holliday is a guy that struggles pretty heavily away from Coors Field (1.090 OPS at home, .780 on the road), so I think whoever picks him up is going to be in for a bit of a surprise.

If we're going to make a system-depleting trade, I'd prefer we go after Adam Dunn.  Same age (2 months difference), same OBP, longer track record, left-handed, less of a home-road split, etc.
Paul D - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#186374) #

The bidding would start with Snider and increase from there.

I have to disagree pretty strongly with this.  Those types of deals don't get made any more.  When you trade a star, you get back a couple of guys who could start for you, and maybe a long term prospect.  You don't get back the best hitting prospect in the minors.  I imagine it would take more than Lind and Purcey, but I think taht's where you start talking.  Then you discuss two low level prospects with potential.  Matt Holliday is no Miguel Cabrera.

ChicagoJaysFan - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#186375) #
Holliday is no Miguel Cabrera.

He may not be Miguel Cabrera, but I'd place Holliday as better than Mark Teixera and Teixera brought back the Braves top prospects less than a year ago.
zeppelinkm - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 02:13 PM EDT (#186376) #

I'd rather Dunn for one of the reasons CJF points out - Holliday's massive home/road splits.

Dunn is a masher. While just 2 years ago the Jays had too many "mashers", now they don't have... any.  He's also a lefty, as pointed out. He's not old - he should have at least 2, probably 3, and maybe even 4 good above average years in him before the inevitable "down the hill" slide kicks in rapidly.

His home road splits (over career): .939/.869

His lefty/righty splits (over career): .933/.843

Hmm, anyone know of aggregate stats for park factors? Great American played as one of the top hitters parks in 2005, 2006, and 2007, but in 2008 it's favoring pitchers a great deal, and it did this before in 2004. In 2003 it played as a slight pitcher's park.

This is odd... It's either a top 7 hitter's park, or a bottom third hitter's park since 2004 (when I say bottom third hitter's park I mean it favoured pitchers that year). So, without doing any other kind of research i'm going to say it's close to neutral.

His bat would look ohsogood in our lineup.

zeppelinkm - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#186379) #

Teixera over Holliday? Really? Is Matt that good at defence in LF?

I know it's cruel to isolate Holliday's road splits, but he really isn't anything special as a hitter outside of Coors. And Coors makes a big, big difference.

On the road, in 295 games Holliday is a very vanilla .274/.336/.444 (.780 career OPS)

Now, given that Teixera to date has played the bulk of his career in a hitters park, it is only fair to show his away splits too.

.271/.363/.501 for a .864 career road OPS.

Teixera is also a year younger. has virtually no lefty/righty splits (Holliday hits righty's slighty better then lefties, so this is really a non issue).

Just how good do you think Holliday is in LF? His career home OPS is 1.090 - that is more then 300 points higher then his road. This is a staggering difference which absolutely cannot be ignored.

Reminds me of a couple other guys... Dante Bichette (home versus road OPS of .938 to .730, and i'm not isolating his years in Colorado - the difference is watered down by the 686 games played when he wasn't a rocky, versus his total 1704 career games played). And then Vinny Castilla (Home career: .857 Road Career: .738).

Just picking their best season each during their tenure with Colorado and looking at the difference:

Bichette: The difference between his home and road OPS during his best season in Colorado was 350 points (the year was 1995).
Castilla: His best season as a Rocky came in 1998 and the difference in his home/road OPS was 297 points.

Bichette's best career OPS+ was 1995 and it was 129. The best he ever posted outside Colorado was 105 in a split year between Boston and Cinncinati). His first year with the Rockies was age 29.
Castilla's best career OPS+ was 1998 and it was 127. The highest he ever posted in a year outside of Colorado was 97. However, he played his prime years in Colorado.

I'd stay away from Holliday. It seems to me like the Jays could get a .780 OPS out of Lind in LF - and I don't think that is asking for too much.

zeppelinkm - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#186381) #

Sorry for the triple hit... CJF I know you did point out the difference in Holliday's splits, I just wanted to look at them in more detail and provide more information to all for why I think he should be avoided at all costs.  But if you ask me, i'd rather have Teixera in my lineup then Holliday.

Dunn is definitely the right guy to go for, if we are going for active, currently playing LF'ers.

Paul D - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#186383) #

 

You can't just take a player's stats away from Coors and assume that's what he'll do if traded.  People have been underestimating players from Colorado for years using this method.

That said, I'd agree that Dunn is the best guy to go far.  I'd also inquire about Bay.

Pistol - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#186385) #
zeppelinkm - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#186387) #

Paul: I know it's simple - i'm not trying to say let's expect a .780 OPS from Holliday the minute he leaves Colorado (although now re-reading, I see I do imply this when I say the Jays could get that production from Lind, my apologies) - but I think viewing Holliday as an elite hitter, is misguided, as the home field inflation of his numbers suggest he is not truly an elite hitter. 3 Straight seasons with a .950 OPS or higher suggets one is an elite hitter.

To be really fair to Holliday, I didn't check this and I should have, his road OPS by season has gone like this:

2004: .654 2005: .729 2006: .819 2007: .860 2008: .774

Clearly he is a good hitter and is getting better each year right now. But, if we are going to give up a whole bunch of prospects, I want somebody more then Holliday.

ChicagoJaysFan - Monday, June 02 2008 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#186395) #
Teixera over Holliday? Really? Is Matt that good at defence in LF?

I could have been much clearer, but my point was more that key prospects do get involved in trades, and for players of Holliday's caliber, moreso than saying that Holliday is better than Teixera.

As such, I was referring to Teixera at the time of the trade last year versus Holliday at this point in time.  My reasons in such a case for preferring Holliday are:
  • Biggest reason: I believe Holliday is signed longer (Teixera was a free agent to be last offseason I believe)
  • Holliday is faster (using SBs as a proxy for speed)
  • the age thing doesn't matter that much to me as they're both in their prime (27 vs. 28) and you're looking at essentially rent-a-players (again, I believe Teixera was due to be a free agent this past offseason and Holliday is signed through the end of 2009)
I agree, it's not much of a difference between the two, but my point is still that players of Holliday's caliber get traded for Snider-like prospects.
Lugnut Fan - Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 08:03 AM EDT (#186405) #

I have seen Tim Collins pitch a lot and he is my favorite guy to watch.  He has a fastball that tops out around 90 and a very, very good curve ball.  He also has a change up, but that pitch doesn't appear to be quite as developed.

I can tell you why he was signed as a free agent.  No college wanted him.  JP Riccardi's dad saw the kid pitch in high school and that is how he was discovered.  He is listed at 5'7" on the roster, but I put him more around 5'4" or 5'5".  It is funny to watch him go up against guys that are 6'5" or so.  Hitters literally run up to the box because they can't wait to face him and then  he just blows them away.  I'm not sure if he will ever make it to the majors or not, but he is defintely a guy to root for.

John Northey - Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 11:52 AM EDT (#186418) #
Tim Collins is a fun one. Checked B-R's draft history and two other Tim Collins have been drafted but neither made the majors.

Our Timmy is now up to 18 minor league games with 24 1/3 IP, 13 hits, 0 HR, 12 BB, 33 K's, 1.03 WHIP and a 1.48 ERA.  Sweet stats for a kid born on August 29th 1989.  Ouch.  This kid probably has no memory of the Jays winning a World Series as he was just 4 when Joe touched them all - anyone else feeling really old knowing that?

He is a left handed pitcher, so that is a big plus too.  I really, really hope he makes it as a short guy who was found via the GM's dad makes for a great story.
Ryan Day - Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#186419) #
It's probably not a good idea to get too excited about a reliever in Low-A. Still, he's doing pretty well so far - maybe he can be the new Official Prospect of Da Box.

I also propose we all refer to him as "Tiny Tim" from now on.
uglyone - Tuesday, June 03 2008 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#186427) #

(again, I believe Teixera was due to be a free agent this past offseason and Holliday is signed through the end of 2009)

 

I made this same mistake myself - Teixeira didn't have a contract for this season when he was traded, but he still had a year left  of arby-eligibility, and was not a free agent.

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